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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 267

               Wednesday, 13 September 2000


                     Re: CD scratches
                  Re: Final Fantasy VII
                       Stupidly Sad
                    Mummer's The Word
               I 'Hill, Therefore, I'm Sad!
                         A Lesson
                    Promises, Promises
 Surfacing just in time for Easter Theatre with the Queen
               Re: Kingstunes & Great Fire
     Re: Fun Fun Fun 'Til Daddy Takes the T-Bird Away
                   Re: ALL radio sucks
                        Sad songs
                        some faves
                    Re: your atom bomb
                        Shark Walk
              RE: Oooooooooooooooooooh babe!
                         the the


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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:00:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: NOT!
Message-ID: <>

>P.S. Fox Television's "Family Guy."  More incisive,
>deviant, and ground-breaking than The Simpsons.  Give
>it a better timeslot.  Now!

IMHO, Family Guy is a vastly inferior, unfunny ripoff
of the Simpsons. No way in hell is it nearly as
subversive or daring as the Simpsons, and the writing
isn't nearly as tight.
See my last post (about the Upright Citizen's
Brigade). Family Guy is a step closer to the gross-out
humor I mentioned there, and pales in comparison to
the Simpsons.


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:15:28 +0100
From: Marc Wickens <>
Subject: Re: CD scratches
Message-ID: <>

At 21:25 10/09/00 -0700, "Nathan Maharaj" <> wrote:
>If I may be a bit of nerdlinger for a moment, albeit a helpful nerdlinger,
>the scratches in a CD are actually scratches in the two plastic discs that
>sandwich the aluminum disc that contains the data, i.e. the ones and
>zeroes.  That is, unless you've really done a number on your disc and
>damaged the aluminum, in which case it's back to the record store for you.
>To repair most scratches, the plastic just needs to be resurfaced in order
>to make the disc smooth again so the laser can pass through it without

I remember someone telling me about a spray that fixes them, as the
technology is optical. I've never used or seen this spray first hand but
someone else might know what it's called.

Marc Wickens
"Have a better one."


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:15:38 CDT
From: "Megan Heller" <>
Subject: Re: Final Fantasy VII
Message-ID: <>

welcoming D.V. Caputo--
>-the saddest song I've heard:
>strangely, Aeris' theme, from final fantasy VII.


cough!  I mean, erm, no, I don't play Final Fantasy, or get Final Fantasy
music hopelessly crammed into my head for days on end, nor did I recently
get intoxicated in Philadelphia and sing several themes from Final Fantasy
III while walking home with my former college roommate (the enabler who
brought her old Super Nintendo to school with her copies of FFIII and FFII).
  That would be ridiculous.

XTC content-- I didn't play video games when I was twelve, like my friends;
I collected cds.  I saved video games for the maturity of my twenties.

destroying my brain with literary theory (christ I miss my PLaystation),


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:36:56 -0400
From: Sylvan <>
Subject: Stupidly Sad
Message-ID: <>

> Dearly Disappointed,
>     Oops, in my haste to post my sad song list I forgot one of the most
> important sub-categories of sad songs there is.
> Soundtrack for Nightmare Descent Into Booze, Drugs and Madness:
> Most definite winner here:
> Aladdin Sane, David Bowie.

Mine would have to be TMBG's Cyclops Rock.

As for regular sad songs:

XTC-Seagulls Screaming
Counting Crows-Another Horsedreamer's Blues

> In the realm of The Skylar King, SIFJ doesn't possess just a quaint
> similarity to "Barrytown" by Steely Dan. If it is, then this is the same
> kind of quaint that got George Harrison's pants sued off for "My Sweet
> Lord."
> Though I am not a copyright law expert, I would have to say that
> unfortunately, on the surface I see a potential lawsuit here.
> It's even more blatant than Colin's nicking of the "It's Only Love"
> (Beatles) melody for "The Good Things."
> Leaning more toward SIFJ, it's one thing to pay homage to a style, genre or
> writer and all the best nick from eachother anyway, and if you are gonna
> nick, nick from the best and so on and so forth ad infinitum...but can
> someone explain to me why this isn't LIFTING or our new favorite
> "discussion" topic among our brilliant new "War and Peace" posters here -
> "SAMPLING" ( and yes I know what sampling is, please don't...just....don't)?

According to Andy in some interview, Colin had never heard Barrytown, and
Andy wanted him to change the melody more because it was too similar, and
he was afraid of a lawsuit, but Colin didn't realize how close it was, and
he would only change it very slightly. Or something to that effect.



Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 02:18:05 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Subject: Mummer's The Word
Message-ID: <>

> Thanks for coming out in support of Mummer's B-sides, Sylvan... Though
> you're WRONG, WRONG, WRONG about Jump being, "merely quite good."

as it is indeed quite a little gem, a diamond in the rough. Most of the
Mummer b-sides (for want of a better term) actually... i wonder if this
has anything to do with not being spoiled by tinkering too much?

We all know the actual album tracks were recorded, re-recorded,
mixed and remixed ad infinitum. And to be honest: some of the
tracks have suffered from this. But "Jump" and most of all "Desert
Island" - the best XTC castaway track ever? - stand out from that
crowd in their simplicity and almost sketchy starkness.

In other words: i like 'm too.

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:18:36 CDT
From: "vee tube" <>
Subject: I 'Hill, Therefore, I'm Sad!
Message-ID: <>


              I Eat Dinner.

           Kate & Anna McGarrigle.

    From the CD, 'Heartbeats Accelerating'.

      "Never thought that I'd end up this way
       I, who loved the sparks.
       Never thought my hair'd be turning grey,
       It used to be so dark.
       So dark.

       No more candlelight,
       No more romance,
       No more small talk
       When the hunger's gone"

  XTC content:I've consolidated all of the Dukes demos at...


NP: Whatevershebringswesing.  Kevin Ayers

"What this world needs, is a good 25 cent Nova Coaster!"OUT!


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 02:18:05 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Subject: A Lesson
Message-ID: <>

Dear Chalkers,

JanCarol said:
> Memorable - also 1984 - road trip to hear Rick Wakeman solo.  It
> was sad - he was so wasted he couldn't find the keys - and he had sunk
> so low as to be playing free concerts at SIU Carbondale's cafeteria....

There's a lesson for all of us here: stay away from capes!
If only someone had told Barry before it was too late...

yours in an anorak,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:43:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Rory Wilsher <>
Subject: Promises, Promises
Message-ID: <>


Well, our lovely Worrier (Warrior?) Queen has recently
reminded me of my obligation to the list; I quote
(with permission)

> Don't know if you remember posting the following:

> "A few other songs whose questionable ethics have
gone unexposed for far too long"

(attributed to Ed K. c I get in so much trouble these
days for not quoting my sources (c.f. SHUT YOUR
WRETCHED PIE TRAP etc. I think this was also one of
Ed's that I didn't attribute previously. Wasn't trying
to claim it as my own, I just think this is one of the
best "flames" ever, and should be adopted by Hillians
the world over so that we may recognise and abuse each
other in a common language. (* big smiley faces *:-)
 ;-) ;-P. BTW, I still want this t-shirt!)))

Anyway, back to my (almost non-existent) point:

>You threatened/promised to do Skylarking - have you?
<<end of Jane Snip>>

With me so far? Well DONE!

If not, refer to the archive 6-172. Alternatively, if
you've any sense, hit page down now! Here goes:

Skylarking c the Dodgy Lyrics:

Summer's Cauldron: Breathing in the boiling butter. I
ask you. Have you heard of heart disease? Saturated
fats? And you want to BREATHE this stuff?

Grass: Too easy.

The Meeting Place: Hmmm. Let me see. "But When I get
you on your own we'll see...You're a working girl
now". So, you're pimping for her? Is that the deal?

That's Really Super, Supergirl: Changing all the
world's weather and the effects on global warming were
commented on in 6-172. I'd also like to point out the
carcinogenic effects of indiscriminate use of your
x-ray eyes on us humans. On a positive note, well done
on stopping the universe dying.

Ballet For A Rainy Day: Hard. Would advise DIY
enthusiasts against varnishing in water. Doesn't
really keep the wet out. That's all.

1,000 Umbrellas: Even harder. I'll have to resort to
that age-old warning: "You'll have someone's eye out!"
Times 1,000.

Season Cycle: Pushing life up from a cold dead ground
sounds good in theory, but I'd advise a closer
watching of all films about zombies/mummies/the undead
before embracing it wholeheartedly.

Earn Enough For Us: Hurtful comments from the boss?
What planet are you on? SUE THE BASTARD! And as for
that house? Was that all in the surveyor's report? If
not, see comment re boss.

Big Day: So, your fingers have been burnt by the touch
of gold, eh? Note to best men: Do NOT heat rings with
a blow-torch. If you can prove this has happened, take
action as per boss above. If best man is an
impecunious layabout, remember the church is also

Another Satellite: Nothing to say about this one. A
perfect lyric.

Mermaid Smiled: Mermaids DO NOT EXIST. If you're
seeing them smiling, seek professional help. I mean

The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul: All drunken
captains are bad, but Ego is the worst of a bad bunch.
Even other drunken captains won't sail with him. Steer
well clear.

Dying: To be avoided where possible. Particularly to

Sacrificial Bonfire: As if we don't have enough
problems with adults breathing in saturated fats, we
now have child obesity caused by (scape)goat meat?
What lesson does this teach future generations?

If you got this far, here's your gold star: *

Rory "Don't worry" Wilsher


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:58:29 EDT
Subject: Surfacing just in time for Easter Theatre with the Queen
Message-ID: <>

Joe wasn't standing in for anyone else when he asked-

> Has anyone noticed the absurd amount of Jules Verne/Bull w/ Golden Guts
>  demos on ebay lately? It used to be a rarity and now is simply expensive.
>  Does anyone know the reason behind this influx? It just seems a little more
>  than random...

Probably because everyone thinks that the bulk of both albums will be on
Fuzzy.  Also, with CDR's becoming more common folks are probably burning
copies and then putting them on the block to make back their money.

Skylar said:
Now YOU KNOW IN YOUR HEART the Skylar King loves XTC and KNOWS they are
brilliant and creative and he only dreams of writing songs as goos as they
do someday, but for St. Pete's sake...if I ripped off a song that blatantly,
I would never hear the end of it.

It's very easy to forget where you've heard a melody before unless someone
else points it out to you. I can't tell you how many tunes I've picked out on
the acoustic only to realize that someone else wrote it (and did a much
better job than I did). More than likely if Colin nicked it he probably did
so without realizing it.

Thanks Nathan--
>Seeing as I haven't the foggiest how I'd go about resurfacing
a plastic disc on my own, I'd sure shell out a few bills to have a skippy
CD fixed.  Of course, I'm positively pathological about the careful
handling of my discs, but then you'd only expect a posting like this from
someone that anal anyway.

I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one that pathological. Yes, you're
right the device essentially uses friction to smooth the surface. The laser
can then read the 0 and 1 that are so prominently featured on the surface.
What? You've never seen them? Look closely there are secret codes on every

Final note--I personally love Jayne the Worrier Queen's posts. Great sense of
humor Jayne! (Did you come up with your nickname yourself or did friends
provide you with it? In my case my kids did....)

Taking up space...



Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:46:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Kingstunes & Great Fire
Message-ID: <>

Dear Chalky TK -  You say in #266:

>>I'll probably get flack for this, but I don't get why folks like Great Fire
so much. <<

Here you go ... my thoughts (totally emotional and subjective) on Great Fire,
which turns on my light switch. Thank God we have music that does that to our

I think it's the primal beat that gets me going and Andy's lifts ... gggREAT
fire BURNnning ... all be-cause of YOU fire's burning ... boom boom boom boom
boom! Imagine a symphony orchestra having a blast with that one, the
conductor flailing her arms around, hair flying! Ha! I love the way the song
jumps all over the place from this pounding rush to a quiet, almost coy
admission: "I've been in love before.... But it's never been as HOT as this.
Crawling on the floor ... " And calling on Mister Fireman is too ... cool.
For many of the same reasons I love "Beating of Hearts." What a fabulous love
song! BTW, what is the chant between verses? Sounds like "get it up, get it

OK, I'm calm now.

Please convince me about Human Alchemy ... which scares the !@#$ out of me!

Peace (and quiet),


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:04:19 -0400
From: "D.V. Caputo" <>
Subject: Re: Fun Fun Fun 'Til Daddy Takes the T-Bird Away
Message-ID: <>

 John said:

> > D.V. Caputo quoted Kraftwerk thus:
> >
> > 4.The Mix, Kraftwerk(fun fun fun off the autobahn...)
> You realise, of course, that it's "Fahren, fahren, fahren auf den Autobahn"
> or grammatically correct equivalent ("Drive, drive, drive on the
> autobahn").
> Of course you do. Anyone with the sense to listen to Peter Blegvad albums
> realises that.
> (discovered Slapp Happy yet?)


ha ha... I MEANT to do that! yeah! umm... it's a... misheard lyric!
yeah! that's right! a misheard lyric!
just kidding. thanks for the correction(I'm going to double check the
lyrics from now on for accuracy) and the suggestion for Slapp Happy!=D

fun fun...uhh... Fahren Fahren auf den autobahn!=)


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:28:08 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Re: ALL radio sucks
Message-ID: <l03130300b5e335fabb2d@[]>

>That station was WIOQ or Q102. They used to be " progressive rock". They
>pretty much played everything from A to Z,although I never heard XTC. They
>then switched to urban music & now finally theyve landed on top 40/Dance. It
>sucks!!! In fact ,ALL radio sucks. I just cant stand it anymore. Its such
>drivel. I e-mail the "modern rock" station in town about XTC and they say "
>Theyre under consideration." Whats to consider?!?!?!?
>   Adieu dieu,  Roger

  The local AAA station, WNCS/The Point, has "We're All Light" on at least
medium rotation, I only listen to the station for three or four hours out
of the week(the radio antenna cable in my car is on the blink, I'll go over
a bump and lose all radio reception, I'll go over another one and get it
back), and I've heard it three or four times in the past couple of weeks. I
guess I'm lucky up here, there seems to be at least one XTC fan on that

Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:47:51 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Sad songs
Message-ID: <l03130301b5e337a7201c@[]>

>Sad songs....god...I have a million of them!!  top of
>my head:

  I can't hold back on this one any longer. I was just listening to my
recently acquired copy of The October Project's Falling Further In,(used,
three bucks, one of the best small investments I've made in a while)and
there's a song on it called "Funeral Of The Heart"(what a title, huh?) that
isn't just sad, it's heart-rending, but in a beautiful, therapeutic, and
spiritual way. Whoever writes their lyrics has already undergone a lot of
therapy and done a lot of spiritual and religious research, the lyrics of
the whole album(and their other album which I used to have but lost in a
car accident) are full of intelligence and spirituality and religious
imagery without being preachy or overly clever. I can't get those lyrics or
lead singer Mary Fall's voice off my mind. If I had a choice that would be
the voice I'd want singing at my funeral.
  There's many others I could think of if I inspected my collection
further, but nothing else I could add could top what others have suggested
so far, with the exception of one rather odd choice: "Mother Says" by Air
Supply. If I hadn't treated my wife to an Air Supply show a couple of years
ago I would never have heard the song, it's a very simple and rather bleak
yet strangely hopeful song, and sounds nothing like those awful hits they
had in the 80's that made me want to run screaming from the room. It's from
the point of view of a small boy who's trying to make sense of his mother's
death, of her lying dead in the next room while he tries to understand
where she's gone yet trying to find new ways to deal with the monsters in
his closet mother used to protect him from. My wife found the song so
upsetting she still won't listen to the album it came from
voluntarily(their most recent at the time a couple of years ago, I've
actually played it on occasion for that one song and that the rest of the
album is actually quite listenable in a Moody Bluesish sort of way).

Christopher R. Coolidge

"A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has 10
GREAT laws.  A Good law protects me from you.  Laws against murder, theft,
assault and the like are good laws.  A Poor law attempts to protect me
from myself."  - Unknown


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:17:47 -0400
From: "Michael D. Myers" <>
Subject: some faves
Message-ID: <>

Chalksters and Chalkettes;

Just wanted to send along some other artists and releases that you might
enjoy being that you are enthralled by the might duo from Swindon, but
first a few grounding principles; here are some reasons why I love XTC so

-  meaningful and clever lyrics that are well-thought-out
-  a strong sense of melody and rhythm
-  great harmonies (and this is a skill that has been growing stronger
   with almost every release
-  terrific arrangements and orchestration (by which I mean the
   instruments chosen for each track, not necessarily whether they use a
   "full" orchestra or not)
-  in general, really wonderful guitar-driven power pop

OK, now that you know what I like about our heroes, here are some artists
that have some or all of the above qualities, although not necessarily in
the same proportions as XTC:

-  Beatifics:  How I Learned to Stop Worrying
-  Mockingbirds:  s/t
-  Merrymakers:  No Sleep 'Til Famous
-  Tommy Keene:  Isolation Party (or one of his other great releases)
-  The Sun Sawed in 1/2:  Fizzy Lift
-  The Posies:  Dream All Day (an unbelievably good "best of")
-  Cotton Mather:  Kontiki
-  E:  A Man Called "E"

Of course, I'm assuming you know and love the Kinks, Badfinger, the
Raspberries, Dwight Twilley, the dB's, and a whole host of other people
making (or who made) fun, melodic music.

Sad songs:

Nowhere Man
Waterloo Sunset
Tired of Waiting

OK, that's enough from me.

See ya,


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:05:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: FYI
Message-ID: <>

I have no financial interest in Staalplaat, just
thought some of you might be interested. This and
Seeland Records (Negativland's label) are the only two
record labels I khow of that re attempting this sort
of thing.

 From the Staalplaat universe-type thang...

"Open Circuit.

Do you want to release your own music on cd?  The way
that you want it, with your own artwork?  No conditions
artistically, no musical selection criteria from
anybody but yourself?  Then we have an interesting new
label for you.  The new Open Circuit label from
Staalplaat where everybody can release his own music
through this cd-r service. And this is how it works.

The artist creates the cd with his own music and Open
Circuit does the production and distribution for it.
All we need from you is the cd production master and
artwork ready to pack the cd's.  How you want to
package the cd is up to you, you can use your own
graphic's; you will have to produce the cd-packaging in
whatever way you want and send it to us.

On the artwork we want you to mention the following
1. Distributed by Open Circuit
2. Open Circuit number (OCxx)
3. The Open Circuit address;
Open Circuit
P.O. Box 11453
1001 GL Amsterdam
The Netherlands

We will make copies of the cd, pack them in the cover
that you supplied us with, and sell them.  Accountings
will be done twice a year, you are free to stop your
agreement at any time, we will then make final
accountings and return the master-cd and the remaining
artworks.  Possible extra service; like sending out
press copies, can be negotiated



Staalplaat Amsterdam
Staalplaat Berlin audio galerie Germany


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:14:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Relph <>
Subject: Re: your atom bomb
Message-ID: <>

Tyler Hewitt <> wrote:
>'Go fuck yourself with your atom bomb' is a line from
>Allen Ginsberg's poem "America". It can be found in
>his Collected Works, or in the small book 'Howl and
>other poems'. Both are highly recommended.

This is my chance to remind everybody on Chalkhills about the
XTC/Chalkhills FAQ list.  FAQ stands for "Frequently Asked
Questions".  The above message from Tyler is the answer to a
Frequently Asked Question, and you can find the answer to that
question and many others in the FAQ.

So read it today.  Surf before midnight tonight.  Where?

Thank you, and goodnight.

	-- John

NP: Stuart Davis: Bright Apocalypse


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:14:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Radios In Motion <>
Subject: Shark Walk
Message-ID: <>

I have that damn song stuck in my head.  Some of you have to be fans of
Shriekback, right?!

OK, I am going into Escrow (whatever that means... in an Adam Ant voice) and
getting a nice new house in Lancaster, California.  If any of you are
interested in coming over some time, let me know.  I am thinking about
inviting a bunch of friends and having an 80's party or something.

Oh, any deals or CD's I have going with some of you, will be delayed as I am
in the process of moving.  However, I am finishing up whatever CD's are long
over due (including the Robyn Hitchcock) and should have them sent off this

Oh, in the yard the sellers have a statue of Mary (that religious chick) and
I thought it would be awesome to replace it with a garden statue of XTC, I
forget what album, but one of them has a picture with all 3 of them standing
(I know, its 2 of them now, but...)  Anyway, I picture that as a great
statue.  Of course, I have no idea how to make something like that, but its
a good thought.  Also, I have a garden, so of course I will have a sign that
says "The Garden Of Earthly Delights."


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:38:48 +0100
From: "Smith, David" <>
Subject: RE: Oooooooooooooooooooh babe!
Message-ID: <>

. . . when I pick up the phone. . .

The sad songs thread I started (sorry about that!) has taken on a
life of its own. Kat Tumeys (TumeysKat??) mentioned "Hey You"
by Pink Floyd. IMO there are other songs on The Wall that are better
for bringing the old lump to the fore if the mood takes - in particular:

Goodbye Blue Sky - Mail me off list on a scale of 1-10 about how
pathetic I am that I "lump up" the moment that little kid says "Look
Mummy, there's an aeroplane up in the sky . . ."

Oh, and "Nobody Home" - "I got a strong urge to fly . . ."

The debate about the bonus tracks in Mummer - while I agree
that stuffing them in the middle of the CD does jar the senses
of those of us brought up on the vinyl version, consider the

Cue the fade out of Funk Pop-a-Roll, with Andy yelling "Bye bye"
(or even "Buy buy"). "A-ha," you think, "the end." Errrr, hang on,
here comes another track . . . and another . . . oop, and another!

Still rather glad they released them though!

Skylar King made some good points in his message about the Standing
In For Joe/Barrytowm similarities. The only thing I would take issue with
was his comment:

	"And for all the talk about how he doesn't want success and
	all that tired rhetoric Andy swipes the K-Tel "Today's Current
	Hits" guide to studio production for this song"

Not sure about that me old mate - I don't recall Andy EVER saying "I
don't want success" or even "I don't want to sell records". OK, he
doesn't feel the need to tour, and yes, he seems reasonably RESIGNED
to a lack of commercial success - but I think if you challenged him
with a question like:

"Hey, Andy, you don't really want to be successful or sell lots of records
and make pots of money do you" . . .

. . . he'd probably laugh his arse off and give you very short shrift.

Smudge "But I got nowhere to fly to" Boy


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:37:54 -0600
From: "Joseph Easter" <>
Subject: the the
Message-ID: <000501c01c73$38522c20$3c720a3f@default>

Any Chalkers want to rendezvous w/ infamous Joseph Easter at the the in
seattle Oct.2?

Matt Johnson rox! (Almost as much as Dokken, Scorpions, and Cinderella)
Check out 4 a good time! It's everything we're
fighting against...


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