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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 257

                 Thursday, 31 August 2000


                     The wrong face.
             Real Bad Jokes,Told Dirt Cheap!
                       Casual Gods
              Somebody and a guy named Hart
                Re: Truly Memorable Shows:
                  XTC AND COLLABORATION
                       fire on high
                     clockwork orange
         Let's all go to a Chelsea nightclub ...
           Alright, alright, Concerts already!
                pre vs. post - skylarking
                    Art for Art's sake
                    re: Misheard lyric
                     xtc in the pool
                        cul de sac
            The Ballad of Xtc (and others...)
                     Free Ray Charles


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:39:03 +1200
From: "Simon Curtiss" <>
Subject: The wrong face.
Message-ID: <000101c0114c$be4bcfc0$2d64a8c0@emigre>

<<<<<<<Ned <nedrise@MNSi.Net>

One more entry in the bad lyrics thread -sorry, no rhyme:

"I've been hitting the town, and it didn't hit back."
                      -Paul McCartney - My Brave Face

I think the song is aptly titled.  He'd need to have a brave
face to go out in public after writing that.>>>>>

I think you'll find that that is a Costello Couplet - sounds like his style
of lyric and the song was a collaboration between the two, and It's not that
bad IMO.




Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:49:31 CDT
From: "vee tube" <>
Subject: Real Bad Jokes,Told Dirt Cheap!
Message-ID: <>


           RE:Jules Verne MP3s.

        That was supposed to read,

  What was my source? (what do you call a deer
  with no eyes and no penis? No F'N Eye Deer!)

            Sorry 'bout that!





Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:55:34 EDT
From: "Kevin Diamond" <>
Subject: Casual Gods
Message-ID: <>

Yo, chalkgeeks

Has anyone noticed our dear Mr. Relph has been getting a bit fresh lately?

from the begining of 6-254:
>Please keep your "signature" to four lines of text or fewer.  Or else.

from the begining of 6-255
>lease, no gun control or abortion debates.  And no censorship debates,
>either.  If I feel like censoring you, I will.  Neener, neener.

sheesh. what a 'tude on that guy. <g> j/k

the best album I've bought in a while: Yo La Tengo's "I CAN HEAR THE HEART
BEATING AS ONE" ...a late but great buy.

album to avoid: Frank Black and the Catholics: "PISTOLERO" ...ugh, what a
dissapointment. Teenager Of The Year is so great, im surprised he could make
an album this bad.

John, i'm having the same problem with 6-253 that I had with 6-240, I can't
seem to open it in the Archives section.

I looooove vee-tube. He's my favorite aquatic animal. Flipper never gave my

>Did the debacle that occurred during AV1 between Chris Difford and
>Xtc damage their relationship?

Hmmm... what debacle was this again? I don't think I remember or ever heard


Kevin Diamond

P.S. I don't know where I came up with the subject title. It's the title of
a Jerry Harrison solo album, but I don't know why it has any signifigance to
this thread.


Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:47:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Anthony <>
Subject: Somebody and a guy named Hart
Message-ID: <>

In a recent Chalkboard, Jon Rosenberger mentioned
Fear. Thank goodness. I thought I was alone in the
universe in my secret shameful fancy for Fear. Jon,
how do you explain to the woman in your life your
possession of an evil song such as "Strangulation"?
Answer: You don't. You don't let her hear it. You
don't even listen to it yourself -- until the day you
get dumped, and then it's probably better than

A Fear fan in his early 20s can get away with slamming
down a twelver of Bud (the of-freaking-ficial beer of
Fear), vomiting like a roman candle, and passing out.
What does a Fear fan in his early 40s do with Bud? He
owns shares.

Rosenberger also inspires me to crave a hit of Husker
Du (add the umlauts yourself), writing:

> It blew my mind when Norton and Hart switched from
> Bass to Drums and vice-versa mid set. After that the
> crowd went berserk ...

I'd like to see that. On the strength of Rosenberger's
review, I place Norton and Hart in the Hall of Fame of
20th Century Partnerships In Which Some Guy Named Hart
Is Mentioned Second, alongside Rodgers & Hart, Kaufman
& Hart, Boyce & Hart, and Parker & Hart.

Blanking on that last pair? Think "The king is a

Ryan "the Hamster from the Ministry"

An independent Internet content provider

P.S.: Is that signature line short enough, Relph-san?


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:39:08 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Re: Truly Memorable Shows:
Message-ID: <l03130301b5d14f068a11@[]>

>Dinosaur Jr. in 1991 at St. Andrews Hall and then Again in 94 at The
>Much larger State Theatre.  These Boys Rock! Period. They have mellowed
>a bit now that Lou is gone but Mascis will trade licks with anybody and
>his flights into ALT-Rock guitar netherworls were really amazing.

  That's funny, considering I saw Dinosaur's first gig ever; J went to the
same local high school as one of my college buds. After his previous band
Deep Wound broke up(I hear their EP is selling for hundreds of dollars on
EBay)he debuted his new band at the Prescott Tavern at Hampshire College,
where I was a student at the time. J's singing was so awful I actually
offered to audition as lead singer, thinking they were planning on adding
one. I don't think I endeared myself too well to J. I still think he sings
like Neil Young with a bad cold, and that's on a good day. He's a hell of a
guitar player though, especially considering he started out as a drummer,
which is what he did with Deep Wound.

Christopher R. Coolidge


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:02:51 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Marriage
Message-ID: <l03130302b5d152af660d@[]>

>These days I am much more sedate I am afraid, I have gotten out to see
>Joe Jackson, Brian Setzer Orchestra (twice same tour WOW!) Seal, Pat
>Methaney and Robert Cray in the last few years but now that I am
>married it just isn't the same. frankly the wife always wants to go
>with me and she is just lost at concerts. She never pays any attention
>to the band and insists on talking through the whole thing as if I
>could hear myself, let alone her. I tried to explain it to her once but
>it didn't work out very well and after sleeping on the couch for a week
>I figured maybe I hadn't phrased it quite right. What's a guy to do?
>Somebody pass me the TV guide will ya?
>Thanks all for reading my novel, I hope it kept you interested.
>I hadn't intended to post that long but stuff just sort of flowed out.
>I hope you are all enjoying the shows out there and one last thing...
>FREEBIRD!!!!! Ow! I burned my finger on this lighter.
>The Mole Chillin at the Ministry

  I can relate; I've managed to catch only three or four shows solo in six
plus years of marriage. On all other occasions I brought my wife with me,
and I haven't dragged her to anything I know she wouldn't be able to stand
more than five minutes of. She's one of those people who doesn't like
anything that's loud and threatening, which rules out anything involving a
mosh pit. I've taken her to see Richard Thompson several times, though-
she's learned that when Richard Thompson comes to our area, we go, though
I'm sure she's hoping Air Supply will play a county fair near us soon.(I
took her to see them in Guilford, NH a couple of years ago, and they were
actually quite tolerable; they worked hard to please their audience and
clearly loved their work, they didn't appear to have the fevered egoes of,
say, Sting or Michael Bolton)I've even managed to turn her onto Jonathan
Richman and The Shaggs. She's open to anything that's a little different,
as long as it's not loud and threatening. Other shows I've dragged the wife
to and she's at least tolerated: NRBQ, Steve Earle, John Hiatt, Jules
Shear, Weird Al Yankovic and besides Richard Thompson she's actually wanted
to see some again, such as Jonathan Richman and Christine Lavin. I've had
to make compromises as a married guy, but believe me it's worth it, I don't
like sleeping on the couch.

Christopher R. Coolidge


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:44:42 +0100
From: Warren Butson <>
Message-ID: <>

Richard Hamilton made an interesting point that early xtc had the sense of
the music coming first before the lyrics.
As I mentioned before they had a very ska-influenced style that certainly
dominated the first 4-5 albums and seemed to be as important as the lyrics
though this would also explain the woahs and yelps and scat vocals that are
also a factor in the ska style so I don't regard it as filler.It is also
subjective as to what is SUPERFLUOUS oy-oy's  ie there are quite a few
"wah's" on funk pop a roll but you could say they are not superfluous as it
paints a picture of Andy losing his mind.

The bottom line is that the earlier albums were driven by music rather than
supported by it which is essentially what Richard was saying and I'd
certainly agree with that. It's also a good point that wasp star neither
sits neatly with the early albums nor the latter ones it's a kind of hybrid
of the two eras!

However returning to the first point it would seem obvious that as xtc were
a performing band that the music would be more driving than a non performing
band and it got me thinking therefore as to why they never collaberated on
any songs in those days.You here so many stories of bands writing on the
road and coming up with songs during soundchecks I wondered why this never
happened with XTC, or could it be they only jammed songs that either Colin,
Andy or Barry had more or less finished? If they did collaborate why are
there no Partridge/Moulding credits? Were the homo-safari tunes band
Any explainations??????


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:43:19 +0100
From: Warren Butson <>
Subject: fire on high
Message-ID: <>

In reply to Ned's query regarding the backward message on Fire on High by
ELO, the answer is "The music is reversable but time turned back". I first
heard this tune aged 11 and it scared the shit out of me, very creepy and
not what i was expecting from the band that brought us Mr. Blue Sky.As a few
people mentioned, eldorado,face the music and on the third day are all great
albums by this band and not a bit like the well-oiled pop sound of the later
years. People often link elo with cheesy MOR 70's pop but unlike abba their
early stuff was quite experimental and not a bit twee. Songs like 10538
overture (ripped off by Paul Weller in changing man) showdown,evil woman and
can't get it out of my head and living thing are superb singles. Thier
latter material like don't bring me down hold on tight, xanadu and diary of
horace whimp I think pigeonhole them into the embarassing class, that made
it very uncool to like them (or admit to) as a teenager and  detracts from
the very fine songwriting skills of Jeff Lynne (though his lyrics were
always a bit pedestrian).Ned also mentioned the plodding drumming of Bevan.
Again the early albums are far better drumming wise, it was during Face the
music that Lynne began to double track the drums and create that Lynne
production we all hated on Free as a bird. This meant Bevan had to perfectly
record his drums twice and consequently avoided any fancy drumming as a
result. This maybe marred his technique but by then  the songs were getting
more poppy so it was less essential to play anything clever, but yes the
style is very ploddy and seemed to lose the subtlety of thier earlier


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:54:52 +0100
From: Warren Butson <>
Subject: clockwork orange
Message-ID: <>

I've just seen clockwork orange for the first time (released mid70's but
banned in the uk until this year). In it the lead role mentions fuzzy
warbles refering to music speakers.Is this where the proposed demo project
title originates, I can't believe its a common term.


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:33:59 +0100
Subject: Let's all go to a Chelsea nightclub ...
Message-ID: <>


In #6-254 Gary McBride wondered:

> Anyone else out there love The Beautiful South as much as I do? <

Who's to say - since I've no idea how much you do - but I am certainly fond
of them, albeit not as fond as I was of the Housemartins. Paul Heaton's
voice is pure magic.

and the Sushiman asked:

> The Members ( remember them anyone? ) <

You bet :) they remain one of my favourite punk bands, even though purists
would probably laugh themselves silly (but sod 'em). It's a real shame that
you can't get their first two albums on CD, although the Best Of
compilation that Virgin put out isn't too bad a start. Saw them live on at
least three occasions, and they were fun to watch too

In #6-255 someone styling themself Administrivia wrote:

> If I feel like censoring you, I will.  Neener, neener <

Please don't make comments like that, I hate it when the coffee runs out of
my nose (and that applies to you too, Lawson)

and Chris Vreeland reported on his misheard lyric contest (for which my
half completed answer is still lying in my drafts folder):

> Jupiter and Saturn, overrun your lantern, and to tie you

Pink Floyd, Astronomy Dominie.  I still have no idea of what's being said
here <

'Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania' (and then on into
'Neptune, Titan, stars can frighten') which are all celestial bodies
(specifically moons of Uranus (fnnarr, fnnarr) in the case of those that
you couldn't make out)

Cheers, Steve

NP: The Only Ones - Baby's Got A Gun


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:38:15 -0500
From: chris vreeland <>
Subject: Alright, alright, Concerts already!
Message-ID: <>

Fellow Humans,
    Man, am I tardy on this one. In all its fading glory, let the aging
topic shine on.

Concerts? I spent the first half of my half-life in nightclubs and
concert halls, so narrowing it down is excruciating. This could get
Kingstonian. You'll note my list looks a lot like Joe Funk's- well, I
either attended or didn't attend a lot of the same concerts, with Joe,
and our experiences were similar.

First concert: I was too young to remember, but my mom says she took me
to alot of shows at the Fillmore Auditorium. I supposedly saw Janis
Joplin & Big Brother when I was four or five. The only one of those
shows I can actually recall was the Blues Project.

First Actual Concert that I chose to go to: Timeline eludes me, but it
was one of these three (all within weeks of each other)
        1. The Kinks, Schoolboys in Disgrace tour. Opening act, The
Pretty Things, Houston Music Hall
        2. Lou Reed,  Rock and Roll Animal tour. Opening act Navasota,
Houston Music Hall
        3. Randy Newman, Sail Away tour. Opening act, Ry Cooder, Houston
Music Hall (this one was great- A man with his guitar, then a man with
his piano. still the two best solo acts I've ever seen)

Best Concert: Peter Gabriel, Austin Coliseum, 1982. Opening act? WHO
CARES? Several Points: 1. Tony Levin is GOD. 2. I've never seen a
performer control an audience like Gabriel. With a wave of the hand,
EVERYBODY sang, with another wave, EVERYBODY stopped. 3. During Lay Your
Hands on Me, he laid down on the hands of the crowd, who politely passed
him around for about two minutes, and as the song neared its end,
politely passed him back to the stage. 4. At the end, he played Biko,
and got the audience singing the chant that the song fades on. One by
one the band members discreetly left the stage until the only music left
was emanating from the crowd. He effectively TRANSFERRED CONTROL of the
song from the band to the audience. The crowd (myself lustily included)
carried on for at least a minute or two. No superlatives suffice to
describe. One of those MAN WALKS ON FUCKING MOON! moments. 5. Joe stood
right next to me- we can vouch for each other. I stopped going to
concerts for nearly two years after that, knowing nothing would measure

Runners Up: Gentle Giant 1980, AWHQ, Todd Rundgren 1980, AWHQ, Joe
Jackson, 1982 Austin Coliseum, Talking Heads, 1984, outdoor show. King
Crimson, 1982, Austin Opera House, Bela Fleck and The Flecktones,
Liberty Lunch 1989

Seen Most Times: 3 way tie:
    1.The Fabulous Thunderbirds- the real band, with Jimmie Vaughan. I
sold t-shirts for them on a tour--saw 'em 17 nights in a row.
    2. Burning Spear (always catch them. Too many times to count 15?
    3. Neville Bros. They ruled Liberty Lunch for about ten years. They
played a two night stand once, and didn't repeat a single song the
second night. Also lost count around 12.

Worst Concert: Also a three-way tie:
    1. Aerosmith 1976, Houston Coliseum. Just a big rumbling sound. No
detectable music.
    2. Foghat, Bachman Turner Overdrive, Judas Priest. Could also fall
under "what was I thinking?"
    3. Triumph, The Godz. This one probably wins by a nose. Lots of
flash pots, very little substance.

Loudest Concert: X 1982 at Club Foot. Really good, anyway.

What Was That?: The Motels, 1982, Club Foot with some opening band,
supporting their first EP, called REM

Most Inexplicable Pairing of Bands: The Clash, Stevie Ray Vaughan, 1983,
Austin Coliseum. May have been the only time in his career where SRV was
actively booed by a large portion of the crowd. Truly mystifying.

Worst Date Concert: I learned early on that concerts were not the venue
for first dates. There were only two of these, both equally miserable.
Johnny Winter, AWHQ 1979 and Rush, 1979, Palmer Auditorium. I'd like to
have the Johnny Winter show back, minus the date. I'd like to have the
date with Cyndi back, minus Rush.

Wish I'd Seen/What the Hell Was My Problem? 2 way tie:
    1. (see Joe's list) Police, XtC, Zenyatta Mondatta & Black Sea
tours, respectively. I worked across the street that day, it was my
birthday, (halloween) I wasn't doing anything that night, and I BLEW IT
OFF! ***aauugghh!*** (sound of head imploding)
    2. I want you to get out your copy of Babylon By Bus. Look, right
there, on the back cover is a ticket stub. If you look closely, it says
Palmer Auditorium, AUSTIN TEXAS! Figured he'd always be around and I'd
catch him "next time." There was no next time.

Listing to port,
Chris Vreeland


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:03:47 -0500
From: "Jan C. Harris" <>
Subject: pre vs. post - skylarking
Message-ID: <014b01c0120d$82203ec0$4da6f5d0@janstrigem>

Rich asks:  <<<I'm in love with XTC's more mature (later) albums,
starting with Skylarking up through AV2, with the exception of
Black Sea,
which I think ranks as their best. <snip>  but I prefer
the "grown up" XTC sound as opposed to its "pubescent" sound.
What do OTHERS

Someone here mentioned Skylarking as a turning point - I agree.
I think Todd bent everyone's brains into a new shape and forced
them to dig deeper and develop their ideas better.

I haven't been able to warm up to much pre-Skylarking.  I was
introduced post-, so the early stuff sounds crude to me.  I still
haven't got Black Sea yet (I know, *get* it!) but I haven't
written off the early stuff - I just find I don't gravitate to it
nearly as much.



Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:47:11 +0000
From: The Worrier Queen <>
Subject: Art for Art's sake
Message-ID: <>

Hail Chalkhillians

We who are about to unpack salute you.
Yep the move is over & now the piles of empty boxes are growing.

I'm trying to catch up on recent Chalkhills, but my brain's in
melt down and is currently trying to make a dash for freedom by
using my ears as as an exit.

Gary McBride <> wrote:

Nominations for favorite and least favorite XTC album art?

I still don't have all the albums *yet* but my fave is AV1 - it's simple,
you don't have to fight to get it back into the jewel box.
(The booklet for my copy of David Sylvian's Dead Bees on a
Cake now has its own plastic envelope & frequently comes
adrift from the CD.)

Also like Skylarking's cover - the simple art of the single line.

Out of the albums I have, there's nothing so far that's made me squirm.
However the pictures in Skylarking are definitely not my favourites.

My mate David, the Uber Chalkhills lurker as he tends to read over
my shoulder, having seen the band pix for O&L & Nonsuch, decided
during the 7 year drought that XTC had broken up & that AP
had got himself into one of those historical re-enactment socities.
He's seen the pix for Skylarking & has been giggling for a couple of

While we're digging up the corpses of song that had been decently laid
to rest can I add If I Said You Had a Beautiful Body- Also at the
moment something called Kissing With Confidence has somehow
overpowered the guards in my brain cell and is wandering around doing
it's worse.  The brain cell keeps insisting that's it Laurie Anderson,
which I think is very very wrong, so if any of you knowlegable folks
can put me out of this horror, please I'm begging here.

Jayne the Worrier Queen

He Toi Whakairo He Mana Tangata
translation to come - thanks Simon


Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:43:48 -0500
From: "Jan C. Harris" <>
Subject: re: Misheard lyric
Message-ID: <027901c01245$e3b04f80$4da6f5d0@janstrigem>

this is truly embarassing -

You'll be warm in the arms of the man of simple tongue......



Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:21:05 +0200
Subject: xtc in the pool
Message-ID: <>


The other day I had a great surprise when swimming in my
little village pool, some known guitar chords suddenly came
out from the speakers : I'm The Man Who Murdered Love , Wow
! ,mmschriifsh !!!  I almost swallowed some chlorined
but what a innocent man ! after that, instead of listening
another Wasp Star tracks they put some summer crapy hit .



Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:27:46 +1100
From: SEBASTIEN MAURY 02 9950 3315 <>
Subject: cul de sac
Message-ID: <>

Just to clarify, the "cul" referred to in the XTC review doesn't mean
"arse" in that context. It means porn or T&A.

Seb, la grenouille des antipodes.


Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:58:33 EDT
Subject: The Ballad of Xtc (and others...)
Message-ID: <>

> Mott the Hoople, on the other hand, I feel, musically I knew what they
> were pretty much going to sound like, as evinced by their live version
> of Little Richard's "Keep 'A Knockin" from their previous album
> "Wildlife". Slam-bang, basic rock-n-roll, but unfortunately now Mick
> Ralphs was no longer with them, so, it wasn't as well played musically
> (wrong guitarist for the band- Luther Grosvenor from Spooky Tooth), but
> the basic format was still there.  (Fewer overdubs on record than Queen,
> anyway.) The band looked unhappy, and the music sounded it

Finally another Mott fan! Actually they sounded worlds better with Luther vs.
the line up once Hunter left the band. Although Mick Ralphs has often been
taken to task for his guitar playing he was a good example of a player that
fit in perfectly. Mick Jones would actually have fit Mott better than Luther
(and would have been comparable to Ronson) Same with Ian as vocalist. He's
not a great singer but does very well with what God gave him. God I wish Ian
would tour the US again.

Even if Xtc were to tour for a paying audience I'd be willing to cut them
some slack if the performance didn't quite live up to the album. They are,
after all, two very different beasts. Besides, with all the technology now I
don't doubt that they could reproduce all of Wasp Star and most of AV1
without a problem.

Moving on to state fairs...haven't had a lot of experience with them but
seems to be they're the local equivalent of a half assed performance by a
covers band. One exception was John Mayall--quite good and, yes, he played
all the crowd pleasing numbers as well introduced a couple of unexpected
twists and turns.

>One more entry in the bad lyrics thread -sorry, no rhyme:
Mike sez:
"I've been hitting the town, and it didn't hit back."
                      -Paul McCartney - My Brave Face

>I think the song is aptly titled.  He'd need to have a brave
face to go out in public after writing that.

>Keith sez:
I dunno. . . .  Maybe you should ask Elvis Costello, cuz he's the one who
*did* write it.  His demo version of the song, by the by, is, I'm afraid to
say, much superior to Mr. McC's, though I like both versions.

Saw EC perform MBF on tour. His version was incredible but---it was an EC
style approach. I like both, too. I also like the line. It may not rhythm but
it aptly captures the spirit of the song. Great song regardless it's a pity
they haven't continued to write together. I'd like to see Macca hook up with
Marshall Crenshaw or someone really out there like Adrian Belew (Zappa would
be my next choice but, well, he's gone so that can't happen).

The reissue of Crenshaw's first album is great. I've read a couple of
negative reviews of #447 (the last studio album by MC) but I found it to be
his best since Downtown. It actually reminds me of some of the tunes that
both Andy & Colin have been writing lately--don't know why though.

In the CD player lately--This is What I Believe in -Adrian Belew anthology,
The Stone Roses, Holland-Beach Boys, Strangetimes-Chameleons (UK), Mummer
(thanks for all the talk about it! It inspired me to listen to it for the
first time in months--alternating with Kate Bush's The Dreaming--they seem to
fit well together) and #447 -Marshall Crenshaw (alternating with Downtown and
Mr Music Head by AB).

Xtc content--recently had someone instant message me asking about Xtc. They
asked what kind they should buy. I innocently asked if we were talking about
Xtc the band. Needless to say it was a bizarre conversation prior to that
(particularly when this person described what Xtc did to them).

My pithy closer-
Like Painting Music has a single goal: To limn the truths of nature as a
whole-Dubos (1719)



Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:46:14 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: Free Ray Charles
Message-ID: <000601c01293$45e1eae0$6e5791d2@oemcomputer>

Jeff Eason asked :

>It was probably the best free show
>(the show was included with entrance to the fairgrounds) that >I've ever
>Does anyone else have any fair shows or free shows worth >noting?

Ummm.... how about Woodstock 1969 ? Only 20,000 tickets were sold ( I was
one who bought ) which means approx.. 480,000 folks got in for nothing . Top



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