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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 253

                 Thursday, 24 August 2000

Topics:

                     Re: The Beatles
                 Shoot that poison arrow
                Standing in for Steely Dan
                 High List Commerciality
           Probably showing my age. Don't care.
            Lovett by name, love it by nature
             Shame...... But Who's to blame?
     U2's "magic moment" played out Springfield-style
              Re: Standing in for Steely Dan
                          Dave?
                        Lyle et al
                      This just in !
                   Au dela de ma tite.
     An interesting marketing strategy.......What if?
                         Oh yeah!
         Mummer's the word (and some other stuff)
              Tempted by frets of another...

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:33:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe Hartley <jh@brainiac.com>
Subject: Re: The Beatles
Message-ID: <200008240233.WAA16786@metheny.brainiac.com>

A friend of mine summed up the Beatles thusly: "They were the first
band to live up to and then exceed all expectations of pop stars."

I think that's just about right.  The early Beatles records are fun
pop.  There are quite a few covers, and some clever pop tunes of their
own, but they turned the corner at Rubber Soul and really became artists,
and they brought all the maturing pop fans along with them.  Who else
had that kind of pull?  Elvis?  He let Col. Parker throw it all away on
insipid B movies.  Dylan?  I doubt he would have pulled off the folkway
and gone electric without the Beatles.  Sinatra?  Pop from beginning to
end.  Maybe Miles had that sort of pull on the jazz scene, but his
influence was always more subversive.

======================================================================
       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com
Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:52:26 +0000
From: Scott Barnard <gforsche@videotron.ca>
Subject: Shoot that poison arrow
Message-ID: <"001601c00d44$0b530020$70b7c818"@oemcomputer.videotron.ca>

While the most-adorable-couplet thread was all well and good, Rory Wilsher
offers us (well, some of us) something much more enticing...

>Most confusingly strained and shoe-horned-in bad rhyme competition:

Can't complain, mustn't grumble,
Help yourself to another piece of apple crumble

(ABC, "How To Be A Millionaire")<

Well done, son, but it behooves me to be the dweeb who points out that this
masterful line comes from "That Was Then But This Is Now" off the Beauty
Stab album. In fact, said disc contains many such gems, not least among them
this:

United Kingdom - You better ring them
You've a solution - You better bring them

Yeah! Stick it to the Man, Martin!

My personal offering to this thread is the following:

Every day a little sadder,
A little madder,
Someone get me a ladder.

(ELP, "Still....You Turn Me On")

S.

p.s. While we're at it, I'd like to enter the above in the Most Moronic Song
Titles Ever contest.

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:32:13 -0700
From: "Kurt Heinen" <kurtisj@gte.net>
Subject: Standing in for Steely Dan
Message-ID: <00b201c00d6b$223479a0$092c1d3f@GTEkurtisj>

Lee, Regarding your post concerning the similarities to Steely Dan's music
and "Standing in for Joe", I caught it the first listen and have noticed a
few other places where the guitar playing is reminiscent of Jeff Baxter and
man, that is some righteous guitar work!!!!!  Wasp Star is truly an
enjoyable group of songs that just get better and better each listen. Can't
wait for the next one!

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:51:05 -0700
From: Ed Kedzierski <ed.kedzierski@blvdmedia.com>
Subject: High List Commerciality
Message-ID: <08B5DDC2BABCD311BFC6005004A884B013B7E4@mgcservices.com>

In 6-249, Paul Culnane said:
Speaking of lists, has anybody seen "High Fidelity" yet?  It's been getting
some good write-ups.

Yes! This is supposed to be out on video any day now (in North America,
anyway). Someone recommended the movie eons ago, mentioning that anyone with
any trace of music-geek genes (so nobody on this list, then, obviously)
would find a lot to identify with (whether with glee or terror is up to
you). I later raved about the book (and actually, aside from the
geographical shift, I don't know when I've seen a novel translated so
directly to the screen; huge chunks of dialogue, the plot, and the majority
of bits that had me laughing out loud while reading the novel made the
transition surprisingly unscathed. I was prepared to be suspicious of an
adaptation that moved the setting from England to America, and was very
pleasantly surprised.)
Read the book, see the movie, eat the burger, wear the underpants, I can't
recommend High Fidelity highly enough.

Listification:
I'll just do my fave Colin songs for now:
1.	One of the Millions
2.	The Meeting Place
3.	Washaway
4.	Wake Up
5.	Runaways
6.	Standing in for Joe
7.	Crowded Room
8.	Day In, Day Out
9.	In Loving Memory of a Name
10.	Sacrificial Bonfire

In 6-250, Steve Young said:
>if a song is commercialized, I begin to
feel like I'm listening to advertisements on my CD player rather than songs
by bands.<
I guess what prevents this from happening to me is the fact that I find the
"covers" they've been using so heinously awful that it doesn't end up
reflecting on the original. That horrible version of "Getting Better" that
they were using at first (I noticed they changed it), with the vocals done
by some cliched "gruff"  voiced (a la Collective Soul, Bush, and similar
crap) twit to make it sound "updated" or something is a case in point.

Sad (for me, anyway) Songs:
1.	Wrapped in Grey- you know who
2.	Linctus House - Robyn Hitchcock
3.	I want You - Elvis Costello
4.	Almost Blue - Elvis Costello
5.	Stranded in the Future - Robyn Hitchcock

Two days left before my holidays!
Ed K.

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:32:10 -0400
From: "Lee Lovingood" <leelovingood@earthlink.net>
Subject: Probably showing my age. Don't care.
Message-ID: <000d01c00d6b$20893aa0$2dd7bfa8@8urfc>

Okay, so I am 36.

CONCERTS!!!!!

First Concert...
The Banana Splits

Second...
Tony Orlando and Dawn

First show I saw in an altered state...
Moody Blues (Long Distance Voyager)

Glad I saw them before they got bad (or big)...
REM, 1981, small club in Blacksburg, VA. Michael Stipe had hair down to his
ass. 'Murmur' wasn't even out yet.

Most Entertaining show...
Dred Zeppelin - Iriqouis Club - Roanoke, VA.

Second Most Entertaining...
ELO - Out Of The Blue tour

Third...
Floyd - Carter Finley Stadium in Raleigh, NC. 'Momentary Lapse of Reason'
tour. The Fungus was among us!

Top Ten Best All Around...
Elvis Costello and Squeeze - Early eighties (1980)?
Elvis and the Attractions - Armed Forces tour
Elvis Costello and the Attractions - Blood and Chocolate
Elvis Costello and the Replacements - Mighty .. Rose
Elvis Costello and the Attractions - Brutal Youth (W/ Crash Test Dummies)
Costello and Nieve - Chicago
Elvis and Bacharach (sp)
Peter Gabriel - Secret World
Barenaked Ladies - ...Pirate Ship
Ben Folds Five - Friends party in Chapel Hill, NC

Wish I could see XTC, but alas. The similarities between them and Steely Dan
(See my post in 6-251) are more than musical!

"...He stands to be insulted and he pays for the priviledge"
Lee

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:41:33 +1200
From: "Simon Curtiss" <s_curtiss@clear.net.nz>
Subject: Lovett by name, love it by nature
Message-ID: <003a01c00d86$42301500$2d64a8c0@emigre>

Ben wrote:

>I was lucky enough to see Lyle
>Lovett (and some of his Large Band) in concert at Tanglewood.  They played
>for over two hours, and it was a great show.  Anyone else a fan of ol' Lyle?
>Even if you aren't, I'd urge you to try to catch him.  His band is made up
>of some of the best musicians working today, and the tunes they create are
>really tight.

I have all his albums except the Live album and the only one that's not
wonderful is the double 'Texas' lp called 'Step Inside This House' (???)
which is a bit monochrome in tone/colour.

I recommend 'I Love Everybody' to those who have not heard him before -
Julia Roberts on backing vocals (luckily she gets drowned out by the rest of
the bv singers.)  A very dry, wry & witty lyricist.

Anyone have the live album and recommend it??

I have to work tonight upgrading my company firewall software which is going
to  be a pig, so I've brought in Wasp Star & Nonsuch to lighten the load. I
will of course be saving Stupidly Happy for when I'm finished and it's all
working again - YES!

cheers

Simon

p.s. Hello Jill O - who's Suzanne then?

np Bill Nelson - Whistling While The World Turns  ( a must  for all BN
fans - really truly!)

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:12:43 EDT
From: "Seth Frisby" <vagueyear@hotmail.com>
Subject: Shame...... But Who's to blame?
Message-ID: <F122cKfExvWvqzAoa2J00000351@hotmail.com>

        I personally blame early nineties teen pop marketing. Oh and the
fact that I was barely twelve. Yep Dorothy "outed" me. My first real live
concert was New Kids on the Block. I won't lie...I enjoyed it. See why my
shame is so deep? There was lot's of dancing. the horror. Oh well...I've
improved haven't I? I could give you a list of the bands I like now that
completely make up for any past indiscretions, but I'm not a real fan of
lists. (taken in Moderation I am of course). It is extremely tough for me to
say what concerts have been my favorites. Particularly because some of my
faves are from older bands who are not quite at their pinnacle anymore.
       One of the most embarrassing ones was the Guess Who a few summers ago
at a county fair. Note to everybody no matter who you see advertised stay
clear of county fair concerts. It's a sure fire way of saying your band is
washed up but you still need to eat, at least at our fair. It wouldn't have
been so bad except for the fact that the band had this horrifying habit of
trying to make the audience sing along. Imagine hordes of elderly people
singing along to the end of share the land and you will understand. The band
wasn't that bad just extraordinarily corny.
       One of the most fun concerts I saw this year was Olivia Tremor
control at the middle east in Boston. I also saw Gorky's Zygotic Mynci
there. Both shows consisted of great tunes presented in unique but
accessibly weird ways. These two were also extra exciting because it was my
first time seeing both of them. I mean how often do welsh bands like Gorky's
come around?

      *Can you hypnotize a record company? If so i'd like to put TVT under
my power...sleep...sleeepp.....you are now relaxed...when you awaken you
will release Stupidly Happy as a single...when I snap my fingers you will
wake with the urge to give XTC more money.....!SNAP!
.....I wonder if it would work on Virgin also?*

      Has anyone heard the badly drawn boy album? What I've heard of it
sounds great. What about the Wondermints? Their album Bali is going to be
finally released in America so you stateside people check it out if you like
Brian Wilson like pop psychedelia.

Seth "No Tagline" Frisby

p.s. If my normal stupid taglines bug anyone just let me know.

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:35:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Anthony <hamsterranch@yahoo.com>
Subject: U2's "magic moment" played out Springfield-style
Message-ID: <20000824063552.15372.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com>

Roger Fuller tells a U2 story from back in his
pre-gout, pre-lumbago, concert-attending days:

Biggest Concert (and gullible record-buying youth in
general) Ripoff: U2, Basel, Switzerland, and Mannheim,
W. Germany, 1987, two weeks later. Here's the shtick:
at one point during a song, a fan jumps up on stage
and
tries to genuflect to Bono and sing along with him. A
security guard rushes up, grabs the interloper, and
tries to drag him off the stage, and it looks like
the guard wants to beat the fan, until Bono
remonstrates and says, "No, let him up with us --
he'll be up here for all of you in the crowd -- let
him sing
and dance with us!" The fan looks as if he has just
been "saved," and he and Bono embrace, and the crowd
goes wild. I thought, "well, that's nice -- Bono
is trying to fight against the venue and its guards
and strike a blow for youth freedom here," or some
such blather I used to believe in in my ivory tower
days at university...

Two weeks later ... same concert, different place (I
was given a ticket because a friend had got called up
to military service in the W. German Army and couldn't
go) ... same song, same place in the concert ... same
guy, same security guard!!!! Same quasi-religious
salvation scene ... What the F***????? I related this
story to my friends who were all ardent believers
in U2, and none of them believed it -- anybody else
catch this phenomenon?

(The suppression of the Bad Word in the preceding
paragraph is Roger's doing, not mine.)

Roger, I've never attended a U2 concert, but the story
sounds familiar. Around two seasons ago, the band lent
its identity, and its members lent their voices, to an
episode of *The Simpsons* in which the supposed magic
moment you describe was played out, Springfield-style,
with Homer (naturally!) as the overenthusiastic fan.
Your U2-besotted friends seem to have been caught
napping.

Ryan "the Hamster from the Ministry" Anthony

An independent Internet content provider

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:23:54 +0100
From: Toby Howard <toby@cs.man.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Standing in for Steely Dan
Message-ID: <39A4DB9A.CF6B3B39@cs.man.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Manchester

Lee Lovingood" <leelovingood@earthlink.com> writes:

> Has any one else here noticed the similarities between
> "Standing In For Joe" and Steely Dan's "Barrytown"?

You bet!

Cheers
Toby

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:03:57 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <cauldron@together.net>
Subject: Dave?
Message-ID: <l03130301b5ca13c934c0@[204.249.75.250]>

>By the way, any news on Dave's album? I had a friend (after listening to
>Remoulds) comment on the vocal similar to  Morrisey(!) which was rather
>interesting. I'm a Smiths fan but haven't listened to much of his solo work
>(beyond the Ronson produced album).
>
>Wayne

  Dave has a pleasant voice, from the three tracks I've heard from
Remoulds, but no resemblance to Morrissey I can hear. He sings well, and
has a great voice for backing vocals and choirboyish overdubs, but his
voice is serviceable, like many good guitarists not known for their
vocals(Sonny Landreth, Mark Stuart, Elliot Easton for example), but doesn't
have that recognisable-in-a-thunderstorm quality Andy has or the emotional
nuances of Colin's voice. Still, pleasant and serviceable is a hell of a
lot better than lousy, like my voice.
  I love his talent for arranging voices, though- I'd buy Remoulds for the
overdubbed choir of Daves version of The Beatles' "Because" alone. So far
Remoulds reminds me of side 1 of Todd Rundgren's Faithful album, though
Dave's lead vocals aren't as spot-on as Todd's.

Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at
http://homepages.together.net/~cauldron/homepage.html

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:37:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Barry Chapman <bchapxtc@yahoo.com>
Subject: Lyle et al
Message-ID: <20000824113725.3960.qmail@web3705.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,

Ben Gott wrote:
>I was lucky enough to see Lyle
>Lovett (and some of his Large Band) in concert at
>Tanglewood.  They played
>for over two hours, and it was a great show.  Anyone
>else a fan of ol' Lyle?

I am a huge fan of Lyle!  I saw him last Monday and it
was a fantastic show!  That was the fourth time we've
seen him and he never disappoints.  He even had a cold
at one show we saw and he still played for two and a
half hours straight.  I highly recommend seeing him
live.

On another note, I was looking through some used LP's
a couple of months ago and I found a copy of "English
Settlement", but it only had about five or six songs
on it.  I can't remember exactly what songs there
were, but it seemed like it was a "greatest hits of
English Settlement" album.  How rare (if at all) is
this?  Is this a promotional record?  What's the
history behind it?

Also, I believe that Colin is one of the greatest bass
players in rock history.  I know that's a pretty broad
statement, but lately when I listen to XTC I've been
trying to listen to just the bass parts.  His work on
Nonsuch and Wasp Star really blows me away!  Who do
you all think matches up to Colin in bass playing
proficiency?

Have a great weekend!
Barry Chapman

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Date: 24 Aug 2000 05:33:14 -0700
From: unna@worldmailer.com
Subject: This just in !
Message-ID: <20000824123314.23550.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net>

Stupidly Happy heard as single on WRNR 103.1 FM Annapolis - Baltimore.
Did you hear it too, Kate and Joe?

By the way, I fell in love with Black Sea on Saturday. I had played it
a few times but never really heard it before. What was I thinking?! It
makes me wonder how something can suddenly click on like that.

Bye All!
L

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Date: 24 Aug 2000 14:04:00 +0100
From: "Robert Wood" <Robert.Wood@mutech.co.uk>
Subject: Au dela de ma tite.
Message-ID: <000039DD@mutech.co.uk>
Organization: Mutech Ltd

OK, maybe I'm missing part of the thread here, but...

Rory wrote:

>> Seb wrote:

"I particularly loved Altavista's translation of "cul"
as "bottom". The mind boggles"

As in the musical "Oh, Calcutta!" (no, no, NO, do NOT
start the musical thread again!) allegedly derived
from the French "Oh, quel(le?) cul t'as!" - "What a
great (large? cute?) behind you have!" <<

OK, first of all cul *is* French for bottom, or arse really. It's a
rude(ish) word in French.

Assuming that the above French phrase was in a complimentary context:

"Oh quel cul, t'as" would be "Nice arse!" (Or of course "ass" for you
across-the-pond peeps.) The literal translation would be "Oh, what arse you
have", but of course we wouldn't say it like that, that's the art of
translation sometimes - putting into a coloquialism.

Actually I *think* the French would actually say "quel cul *que* tu as" -
but I'm willing to be corrected on that. Any "grenouilles" on the list ;-)
(Asked "le rosbif!")

A+

Robert Du Bois <g>

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:52:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com>
Subject: An interesting marketing strategy.......What if?
Message-ID: <20000824155241.1347.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com>

I found this on the Ticketmaster WebSite and thought some of you might
be interested in it.

*********************************************************************

Fans Fund Production Of Next Marillion Album

Hard rock veterans appeals to fans instead of opting for record company
advance.
         by Alexa Williamson
         LiveDaily Staff Writer

LONDON--Marillion has raised $150,000 (|100,000) to cover the
production costs of its next album by asking fans to pre-order it. The
cash was raised after the hard rock veterans emailed 30,000 fans and
asked them to pay $24 (|16) in advance for the LP, which will be out in
2001.

The group explained that by raising the money in advance, they wouldn't
have to repay a record company advance, which meant that they could own
all the rights to their music. The five-piece said in a statement on
its official website,"By selling our album straight to you, we become
completely free to take the decisions which affect the future of the
band and we can also remove the middle-men who stand between you--our
listeners--and us. For the first time we'll OWN our own music. We'll be
able to sign an international record deal with a major record company
again, so the next album will be on sale in the shops upon release in
2001, but by retaining ownership of the music, we'll have freedom and
power."

Fans who paid for albums before July 31 will also receive a special
multimedia CD-Rom in addition to their album, which includes exclusive
video clips and artwork. They will also be thanked in the album's liner
notes.

The untitled album is tipped to be released in February. Marillion,
which has sold over 14 million albums during its 22-year career, has
signed a worldwide licensing deal with EMI for its twelfth LP.

published: 18-Aug-2000

**********************************************************************

The music industry is in the throes of a major paradigm shift. The
advent and pervasiveness of the Internet into the lives of average
citizens everywhere is being felt throughout the industry. I love the
fact that Marillion is using their fanbase as a tool to get out from
under the financial thumb of the record company. I would love to see
XTC do something similar if they needed to in the future. I know that
the AV1\WS LP was split-up largely due to insufficient funds. What
would the album have been like if they had asked us as fans to
pre-order it so that they could finish it the way they wanted to and
not been forced to bow to the monetary issues facing them. Would Dave
have stayed? Would Idea studios have needed to have been built? Would
they have re-alligned themselves with a new manager or Idea Records
"president" to oversee the administrative side of things? Would they
have been able to afford the orchestra for another day? A few more days
at Abbey Roads studio? How would any of this have affected the recent
turn of events?

Now take all of those questions and go back 7 or 8 years to the start
of the Virgin Strike. If the band had asked the fans at that point,
would we have been able to get them enough cash to buy their way out of
the contract? How would the band be today if they had spent the last 7
years playing and recording instead of repo-ing cars and painting their
houses?

I don't know of course, nor does anyone else here. However what I am
hoping to impart to all of you is that, THINGS ARE GONNA CHANGE in the
music industry. Maybe for the better, maybe for the worse, but the
advent of the internet changes EVERYTHING. Business as usual no longer
applies. We are at the edge of a momentous shift in the way music gets
recorded, will be distributed and how it will be paid for. It has been
reported that 20 Million people have Napster Accounts. Whatever your
feelings on the legality of peer-to-peer music file sharing, 20 Million
people have gotten music for free off the internet from this one
service alone.

Here are a few countries that had roughly 20 Million citizens in 1998;
Afganistan, Peoples Dem. Rep. of Korea, Iraq, Malaysia, Mozambique,
Peru, Romania, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.

To really get a grip on the concept, you need to realize that in 1998
the only city in the World that was close to 20 MILLION residents was
the New York Metro region. LA was second with 15 Million. So if all the
the Napster users formed a city it would immediately be the
second-largest city in the WORLD. This is a HUGE number of people and I
am not sure that the cork can be put back in the bottle now that it is
out. Whatever the outcome, things in the music industry in three years
will be totally unlike what they are today. If nothing else it will be
fun to watch and hopefully many of the changes that occur will be
financially rewarding for a couple of lads in a town called Swindon.

Thanks for Your Interest.

Cheers

The Mole

PS: I would love to hear any of your opinions on this subject offline.

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:57:21 -0400
From: MinerWerks <dminer@gte.net>
Subject: Oh yeah!
Message-ID: <a04310100b5ca9acb11cf@[63.25.69.158]>

Ed K. added this entry:

>"All-Time Most Glad to Have Seen": Monty Python, 1973 Canadian Tour, Queen
>Elizabeth Theatre, Vancouver. I was 9 years old, my grandmother took me, and
>it's what I turn to for solace when I'm bummed about bands that I never saw
>live (Fabs, XTC, etc.).

Wow, now that's a good one. Python didn't do much touring. I would
*loved* to have seen them, but I didn't even know who they were until
after Graham Chapman died. Reminds me why I'm glad I got to see the
Kids in the Hall on their recent US tour, 'cause I don't foresee them
doing that again.

= Derek "Toeing Rob's line" Miner = ;)

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:33:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: brown <mb2@deltanet.com>
Subject: Mummer's the word (and some other stuff)
Message-ID: <200008241733.KAA04079@mail2.deltanet.com>

Hey there, friends!

My, my, you people do carry on..   I just finished slogging through all of
those back digests...

Had a lovely vacation..  Here are a few fun facts about Oregon:
Second-hand smoke in restaurants/public buildings is not an issue of concern
to the Oregon voters.
The wind that blows through the Columbia River gorge stings like sleet.
(Even in August!)
Every automobile/truck sold in Oregon comes with a minimum of one dog,
standard equipment.
Oregon's coastline is incredibly beautiful.
Oregon's highway signs are very accurate.. when it reads '241 miles to the
next rest stop', it really IS 241 miserable, stinkin' miles to the next rest
stop! (trust me on this one)-

Before we went out of town, I picked up BS, BE, and Mummer.. For the
duration of our trip I took great pleasure in tormenting my family with
nothing else but the music of XTC (well almost nothing else).. actually they
enjoyed every minute of it... Now when it comes to expressing my reaction to
music that moves me,  I tend to be all exposed nerves and flowery
superlatives.. I just can't keep all my marbles in one bag.. so I'll cut you
guys a break and refrain from such a display at this time.  (However I make
no similar promise regarding any future date!)   For now I'll leave it at
this... Mummer is THE one.   I am fixated on this intoxicating piece of work
and it feels GREAT, thanks for asking!..   If you're not on the Mummer
wagon, you are certifiably insane... period.

I can't resist the lure of the concert thread, here goes:

Most disappointing-  Led Zep/77.   Sloppy, apathetic execution/muddy sound
mix..  I wish I'd never seen them perform live.  Still love their studio work!

Most surprising-  Oingo Boingo(Mystic period)..  Didn't even know who they
were when I went to see them.  The music was weird and wonderful, and the
band was tight.  DE was electric.

Most amusing-  Judas Priest at the Starwood..  Seeing that Rob
what's-his-name in leather pants was a hoot!

Best concert (large venue)-  REM at Irvine Meadows/Oct. 89.  Paid too much
for the seats, but it was worth it.  Intimate feel..  Stipe was very
charismatic, and the sound was perfect.  Overall good vibe... really.

Other best concert (large venue)-  The Who/76 or 77.   Lots of energy..
Pete and the boys were absolutely JOYFUL, and they sounded clean and tight.
Hey Moll, the Moon rose over the stage at this concert too!.. then he took
his seat behind his drum kit, right where he belonged! <G>

Best concert (small venue)-  The Germs/79.   The late, great Paul
Beahm-aka-Bobby Pyn-aka-Darby Crash.. half naked and crazed, diving off the
stage, while the boys in the band made some beautiful, dissonant NOISE..
Great show, inspite of the food fight.. (or maybe it was because of it?)

Best spectacle-  The Tubes at the Greek (or was it the Hollywood Bowl?)...
around the W.P.O.D./What do you want from life period.  Quay Lewd under the
stars.. you can't beat that,  not even with a stick!

William Loring asked if anyone remembered who UFO were...  I do.  Let me
refresh you...  Primarily made up of Brit musicians (the exception being
Herr Schenker), they were a metal group existing in one form or another
since the early 70's.  Things coalesced for the band when ex-founding member
of the Scorpions, Michael Schenker, joined up with them.  Their career
peaked in the late 70's.. More a cult following deal in the U.S., I
understood them to be more popular in the U.K./Europe.  Do any of these
songs ring a bell?.. Rock Bottom, Too Hot To Handle, Lights Out(in London),
Only You Can Rock Me...  no?   By now you have surmised from the song titles
that UFO were not the deepest of thinkers, musically speaking.. still they
did tear it up as a straight forward rock outfit... Obsession was their best
album (me thinks).  I did catch them live (in 78).. didn't enjoy the concert
because my boyfriend and I arrived very late, fought like two cats in a bag,
then left early... Shame.. about the concert, not the boyfriend.

Re: Stupidly Elmer...  Hawwison wules!

Bumbling with the keys to my Chevy supernova,

Debora Brown

--.. and congrats to the Mole on being chosen the 'official Gold Bond powder
spokesperson' for 2001.. atta boy, Jon!--

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:03:06 EDT
From: WTDK@aol.com
Subject: Tempted by frets of another...
Message-ID: <b4.9ee55aa.26d6d97a@aol.com>

> Can you imagine the Beatles with, say Jimmy Page or Jeff Beck? How
> about Jimi or Stevie Ray? Maybe Robin Trower or Martin Barre? The "
> Beatles" as we know and love them would not have existed. George was
> an integral part of a combination that was much more than the sum of
> it's separate parts. I think synergy is the appropriate word. We
> were all very lucky to have them.  Kurtisj

Actually I can imagine the Beatles with Keith Richard(s--did he finally add
the s to his name...?)  and Harrison with the Stones. Neither one would have
worked for me although Richard would have been an interesting change for the
White Album. A good example of synergy or lack thereof--Elephant's Memory.
When they played with Lennon live they managed to take a handful of great
songs and turn them into mundane hackneyed works. Their version of Come
Together only works because of Lennon. What did he see in them....No doubt
they were wonderful musicians but they are also a good example of technically
gifted folks who have no soul. I particularly loved the guy in the robe--he
looked like a monk.

Which is why it will be interesting to see what happens with the next album.
It would be kind of cool to see a rotating list of talented players whose
style meshes well with Partsy and Mouldy.

Did the debacle that occurred during AV1 between Chris Difford and Xtc damage
their relationship? If not I'd love to see a "Supergroup" emerge with Glenn
Tilbrook as a vocalist (with the quality of the first Traveling Wilburys
album NOT the Little Village album). Any Phil Keaggy fans here? Kind of
interesting artist as he is at the opposite extreme of Andy. Keaggy's a born
again Christian and that quality informs all of his work. Still, he has the
pop sensibility not to let it interfere. I'd love to see him work with
Andy---imagine the sparks!

Wayne

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