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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 241

                Wednesday, 16 August 2000


                Look for Andy P. in "Hell"
                  They Might Use Samples
                     nonsuch question
            Re: ob-seen to be ob-heard lyrics
                     Mummer no bummer
                Re: There Oughta be a Law
                        No Symbols
                 Strawberry Double-flats!
                        nick names
                        tape trees
                      The Slow Crack
                concerts, bad songs, etc.
                     Andy on Music365
                        box set???
                      Telephone Man
                      Re: New Topic
             Fossil Fuel and other ramblings
                      Deeep Hurting


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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:36:25 -0400
From: "Stephanie Takeshita" <>
Subject: Look for Andy P. in "Hell"
Message-ID: <>


An atheistic denizen of Greenwich Village, Warren Allen Smith, has been
compiling information on famous atheists and agnostics for some fifty
years now, and now has had his "Who's Who in Hell:  A Handbook and
International Directory for Humanists, Freethinkers, Naturalists,
Rationalists and Non-Theists" has just been published by Barricade Books
[$125 list, but can be had on Amazon for $100].

Listed in its 1,237 pages, alongside encyclopedic articles on subjects
relevant to atheism, are more than 10,000 celebs and intellectuals.  A
short list:  Woody Allen, financiers Warren Buffett and George Soros,
Bill Gates, Paul Newman, Bruce Willis, George Clooney, Lucian Freud,
Mark Twain, Frida Kahlo, Matisse, E.P. Hubble [late astronomer]; Joyce
Carol Oates, Harold Pinter, Will Self, Gore Vidal, H.G. Wells, A.O.
Sulzberger Jr., Matt Groening, Christopher Hitchens, Russell Baker,
Billy Joel, Michael Stipe, Charles Dickens, Tony Kushner, Ted Turner,
Bjork, Ronald Reagan Jr., Carrie Fisher, Steve Allen, ...

...and, hopefully, Andy Partridge.  It would be incredible if he was
overlooked somehow, and any such glaring oversights will no doubt be
addressed in the second edition, God willing,....  [g]

[Mr. Smith and his book are profiled in a lengthy article in the August
14th edition of The New York Observer.]

Impishly yours,
Stephanie Takeshita


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:35:53 EDT
From: "Kevin Diamond" <>
Subject: They Might Use Samples
Message-ID: <>

>One of those groups is They Might Be Giants. The [sic] used tons of
>samples on their albums along with an old drum machine.

::blink:: :blink::



ummmm... no? They Might Be Giants play all their own music. And a drum
machine is different from sampling, because the artist programs it to play
what they want it to play.

unless you're refering to samples they sometimes took off their answering
machine and played backwards in their songs, like I'll Sink Manhatten. But
that's not the kind of sampling that I think we're discussing here.

Kevin Diamond


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:18:04 -0500
From: Josh Scott <>
Subject: nonsuch question
Message-ID: <>


I bought a copy of Nonsuch a couple years ago from a used CD
store.  The jewel case looks normal, but the CD has the word
PROMOTIONAL across it in black.  I discussed this with
someone I work with.  He used to work at a CD store.  He
told me that CD stores usually get promotional copies of CDs
from record companies, but they are not to be sold to the

Do all Nonsuch CDs have PROMOTIONAL stamped across them or
do I have one of these CDs that should have never seen the
light of day in the public?

Whoever could help.  Thanks.



Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:13:44 -0600
From: William Loring <>
Subject: Re: ob-seen to be ob-heard lyrics
Message-ID: <>

Great rhymes:

The entire first section of EC's "Beyond Belief" from Imperial Bedroom:

(from memory, so forgive the inevitable errors)

History repeats the old conceits,
The glib replies, the same deceits
Keep your finger on important issues
with crocodile tears and a pocket full of tissues

I'm just an honest stiff
in a windup world
with a nervous tic

In this very fashionable hovel

I never hang around to be tortured
you'll never be alone in the bone orchard
this battle with the bottle
is nothing so novel

So in this almost empty gin palace
through a two way looking glass
you see your Alice

Carved with insults and flatteries
her body moves with malice
Do you have to be so cruel to be callous?

It goes on, but I'd need to listen to it to get the rest. Feel free to
correct me on all the bits I got wrong. I looked online, but couldn't find
the printed lyrics. Granted, I didn't look too hard.

Anyway, a fabulous track.

Or howsabout another fine EC lyric:

She's my soft-touch typewriter,
and I'm the great dictator

(from Two Little Hitlers, on Armed Forces)

It's not a rhyme, but I love it anyway.

William (no clever signature) Loring


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:10:23 -0700
From: Ed Kedzierski <>
Subject: Mummer no bummer
Message-ID: <>

You know, I actually had no idea that Mummer was considered a "lesser" or
"weak" album until I discovered Chalkhills. I guess that not going through
the whole "English Settlement was amazing, here's the new album, it's got to
be even better or at least as amazing" thing at the time it was released
could have something to do with it.

As I said before, I lost track of XTC between Black Sea and Skylarking. I'd
been into Beatles & Kinks etc. when very much younger, had discovered XTC
while investigating new wave-ish stuff, then was brought back by Skylarking
fusing these phases. For years, I'd considered Mummer to be "the new album"
which I kept seeing in stores with an attitude of "I should really pick that
up someday" (it would be years before I could even find a copy of ES, proper
or chopped, though I had the Senses single and Waxworks).
Around the time I heard Skylarking and started thinking about filling in the
gap by buying the missing albums since Black Sea, I heard an XTC spotlight
on CBC latenight (Brave New Waves, which was once eclectic and interesting,
but has gone "all ambient all the time") where I first heard both "Great
Fire" and "Wake Up", making me go looking for Mummer and BE. I found Mummer
first, and quite frankly loved it. I can see how it could be compared
unfavourably to other XTC albums, but the only real clunker is "Wonderland"
(and even that I quite like the lyrics to). Besides the obvious "Great
Fire", I liked "Beating of Hearts" and "Human Alchemy" (both seemingly
pretty unpopular around here) and LOVED "Me and the Wind" (that bass!).
It was also one of the first albums that I re-bought on CD, my favourite of
the (admittedly carelessly placed) bonus tracks being "Toys" (everyone else
seems to pick "Jump" for some reason).
In a way I was lucky; the last album I found was ES (proper version), and
hearing that, it was like a circuit had been completed that just made the
whole body of work light up.
So in a way, I'm almost glad that I lost track while those albums were
released, and that I discovered them in the order that I did; nothing had to
suffer for coming after something that couldn't be lived up to.
Besides, I've always had a weakness for flawed transitional albums (they're
like the runts of the litter).

Ed K.

(See? I can be on topic. Though I still say the recent fuss about topicality
is pure silliness, and I'm not taking any vows. If something comes up, it
comes up.)


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:22:10 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Re: There Oughta be a Law
Message-ID: <l03130304b5bee5365188@[]>

>Chris "There oughta be a law" Coolidge responded to RiM's pidgeon-holing
>screed on politix in the EuEssAy today -- still trying to figure exactly
>which "set of liberals" I belong in, btw, since my BMW is red, not gray
>-- by saying:
>> You seem like a classical liberal in the Jeffersonian sense, liberal as
>> in openminded, which is what liberal is supposed to mean.
>Now, don't get me wrong, Chris, but what exactly about RiM's post, which
>essentially distilled the American public into five political groups,
>struck you as "liberal in the Jeffersonian sense" or "openminded"? I'm
>sincerely interested in your line of reasoning on this -- my only
>request is that you please be brief and merely answer my question,
>instead of launching into an explanation of your beliefs and leading us
>down the primrose path of political discussion. That's something I'd
>prefer not to discuss around this particular dinnertable. Otherwise,
>it's going to be long campaign season.

  I'd have to search out the original digest to jog my memory for a
complete answer, but in a nutshell RiM struck me as someone who dared to
question conventional two-party politics. I suspected he was one of those
Democrats like myself who felt abandoned by their party marching down the
primrose path of political correctness. I could be entirely wrong, but
that's the impression I got. My moemory of his post could be entirely wrong
though, since I don't have it in front of me.

Christopher R. Coolidge

"A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has
10 GREAT laws.  A Good law protects me from you.  Laws against murder,
theft, assault and the like are good laws.  A Poor law attempts to
protect me from myself."  - Unknown


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:15:05 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: No Symbols
Message-ID: <l03130303b5bee27eae22@[]>

>* What's a good Waterboys collection?
>* Is Kate Bush retired or what?
>* Is anyone out there a fan of the band Family? I know I am.

All of them,(I don't think there's a best of package yet, though) she's
working on a new album and just gave birth to her first child, and I quite
enjoy their Bandstand album, though I found it cheap in a used record store
and would only pick up further albums if I saw them used somewhere;
financial considerations.

>A relatively unknown band that I think would appeal to XTC fans is the

  I remember playing their song "Slow Beautiful Sex" on my college radio
show in the mid-80's out of the new records pile. Seemed a bit too
willfully weird and lacked the requisite melody and/or harshness I prefer
in truly alternative music. The Sex Pistols, The Stooges, and The Ramones
were loud, harsh and in-your-face, but underneath it all they had some
catchy toons.

>I agree with Amy N. that Peter Gabriel's self-titled "melting face" album
>is an all-time classic. If you listen closely to the album you'll notice
>that it uses all manner of percussion except very little cymbals.

  Try no cymbals at all, not a single one.

>Jeff "out behind the barn, chewing on a piece of hay" Eason.

Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:48:25 CDT
From: "vee tube" <>
Subject: Strawberry Double-flats!
Message-ID: <>

          Or was that Cocoa double barrels?

  Knock,knock. "Who's There?" It's your Land lord!

           "What's the F'n problem?"

         'Your ceiling's melting again!'

   "Must be that old 'Pretty Things' CD I'm playing!"
                (SF Sorrow)

  Land Yacht says, "I'll leave the mop outside the door"

                Fish says,"Koo!"

                Land Yacht says,
     "Why don't you play that old Moby Grape
                CD instead?"

    Good question. I mean, how many land yachts do you
  know that offer you ear plugs when the breathing of the
         walls keep you up late at night?

    "I'm not a fish,but I play one on Chalkhills!"

    Anyway, I don't know how I missed this one but, I was
getting my Nap On the other day, and I came across a great
'Pretty Things' CD. It's called SF Sorrow. This thing fits
right into the whole 'Ogdens Nut Gone Flake' 'Mystery Tour'
'Satanic Request' trip.

   If you see a copy at your favorite indie store, ask them
to let you listen to it. I think Amazon has a few 'real'
samples you can listen to.

   Now, if you'll excuse me, the floor seems to be acting up!
              Down! Bad Floor! Down!



Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:26:36 EDT
Subject: nick names
Message-ID: <>

hello folks!

  I feel andy and colin need nick names,good ones for use here, on
 "the lads" just doesn't cut it. I'm at a loss to come up with any...

  Hmmm, Davidoh never posted his list of collective musical equipment of
chalksters. Are you still with us, david?

  lent the 2 apple venuses to a buddy at work... "pretty good...the second
one sounds like sting singing mcCartney songs'....*sigh*

  eddie st.martin     she took a tumble, excuse for a bumble-nova


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: tape trees
Message-ID: <>

Would there be any way to start a "CD duplication
tree" of the Jules
Verne and Golden Guts CDs?

I'm also on the Los Lobos list (not nearly as fun as
Chalkhills). There have been several trees originating
there, and I've participated in a couple. they're lots
of fun, and a good way to build up a collection of
trading tapes/cd's.

I'll se if I can find something about how to structure
them, and post it. Than maybe we can get one going.



Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:02:47 EDT
Subject: The Slow Crack
Message-ID: <>

In a message dated 8/15/00 6:01:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<> writes:

> While we're on the subject of concerts:

First: The Eagles (Hotel California tour) 1977 (scary I know)
Best Concert: Elvis Costello & Steve Nieve at the Filmore in 1996
Best Runner Up: The Kinks at the Berkeley Community Theater in 1980 (it was a
close one here between the Kinks, Suzanne Vega and Tim & Neil Finn at the
Worst Concert: Aerosmith 1997 (hey they were free tickets! The sound sucked)
at the Concord Pavilion (a tie with the Zooropa stadium tour by U2)
Most Inexplicable:  Bryan Ferry 1987
Worst Concert Moment: The audience booing Roy Orbison when he opened for the
Eagles on the second at the Oakland Coliseum as he sang Only the Lonely
Wish I'd Been There: The Byrds at the Filmore in 1968 or the Beatles London
1964  show for the Queen

>>Secondly, I'd been listening to Fossil Fuel before getting Skylarking,
and the singles on Skylarking (you still with me?) sounded a bit flat
in comparison.  I don't have time at the mo to compare - just wondered
if it was me or the CD.

It's the mastering on the CD. If you want to hear how it should have sounded
you should seek out a copy of Skylarking from Mobile Fidelity Sound.

worst lyric of the moment--by Paul Carrack:
I need you like a fly needs bread (I could have misheard the last word but
the fly bit! This was from a love song).

Steve Young Said:
>>I wish Aimee Mann's new CD hadn't been housed in that cheap paper
sleeve.  My copies is scratched and won't play in my car.

That's why I scanned the back cover and put it in a jewel box (with the lyric
booklet as the cover). I usually don't like the album sleeves. There's two
options 1) A CD resurfacer (runs about $25.00) gets rid of  bad scratches and
can be used quite a bit or 2) Contact someone who has a copy and get them to
burn you another (hint-hint I have a copy and would be willing to trade since
you've already purchased it once...not that I want to take any money from

Xtc content: Glad to hear that Virgin has finally stopped screwing the guys.
A pity that the royalities aren't all that much.

Vee- still putting together the Remolds/Gregory CD for you. Sorry it's taking
so long (almost as long as the wait between Wasp Star and AV1)....Almost
through with it.

CDs of the moment:
Still Wasp Star, Kilbey's The Slow Crack, Rory Gallagher's Irish Tour and
Suzanne Vega's 99.9...




Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: concerts, bad songs, etc.
Message-ID: <>

Dan W sez:
 I love concert stories ...

Here are mine:
First concert (this one's embarassing):Seals & Crofts,
1977. I was 13. A friend had camped out all night to
get Alice Cooper tix. That one sold out, and he didn't
want to come back empty handed...
Best concert: Tie: Tom Waits, mid '80's, Stray Cats,
Best concert Runner-up: Sonic Youth, 1989
Most disappointing concert: Psychedelic Furs, mid
"What the hell was I thinking?" concert: Air Supply,
early '90's ( I went for free to laugh. was more
pathetic than funny.)
Most inexplicable concert: The Resident's 13th
Anniversary Tour
"Wish I'd been there" concert: Too many to mention.
Had tickets for XTC during the infmous cancelled
American tour that ended their touring days. Also
missed the Jam, English Beat and many others thinking
I would catch them next time around. Missed U2 circa
'Boy' in a Detroit nightclub. Missed Yoko Ono playing
in a parking garage in Ann Arbor. Mssed Patti Smith
mid '80's at a one shot only benefit concert.
Not a concert per se, but I would have liked to have
been at the poetry reading in San Francisco in the
50's where Allen Ginsberg first read Howl. Course I
wasnt  born until several years later, so not too
likely to have happened.

Since some of you have proven your superior knowledge
of Awful Songs: does anybody remember an awful song
from 1978ish, sung by a female and called "Telephone
Man"?  Who was that?  Why do I remember it?

I remember that one. Really annoying! Can't remember
who did it either. Think maybe it was more like '75 or

"Ring me ring me ring me I'm your telephone man"

Speaking of awful songs, "Two of Hearts" by Stacey Q
about '85 or so has major cringe factor for me.
Everything that sucked about '80's music in one putrid package!


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:36:11 EST
From: "Andrew Gowans" <>
Subject: Andy on Music365
Message-ID: <>

Hi there, Folks!

Excuse me if this is old news, I'm still about a week behind on my lists,
but recently I read about an interview Andy gave to Music365. The person who
wrote about it indicated that he could (I think) get the streaming media,
but couldn't find the files to download. I have managed to track these files
down and I shall be posting them to my idrive in a few days.

In the meantime, can anyone recommend a good shareware/freeware product that
might convert these from Real Audio *.rm files to *.mpg, *.mov or *.avi ? If
I can find a good converter I can post them in formats that more people may
be able to view nativley on their OS.

Drop me a line.

Andrew Gowans


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:33:18 -0600
From: "Joseph Easter" <>
Subject: concerts
Message-ID: <001301c0073b$1aca3be0$d7720a3f@default>

Warning: No nonsense content!

First Concert: The Monkees (w/o Nesmith)
Last Concert: The Free Montana Symphony here the other weekend.
Best: Melissa Etheridge (first album, before she began to seriously suck the
corporate teet)
Worst: Dizzy Gillespie (drunk most of the time and off stage)
Wish: (duh) Toss up between xtc and the Beatles.
Numerous: Depeche Mode seven times.
Most Hillarious: Robyn Hitchcock
Most Raw: Liz Phair New Year's Eve '93 Metro Chicago
Most Cheesy (literally) Barenaked Ladies...Long ago, there was a song called
"If  had a Million Dollars," and one of the lyrics involved Kraft macaroni
and cheese dinner, wherin upon the singing of this line, surveyors of this
concert would proceed to throw macaroni and cheese (from the package, not
cooked) in the air and at the band. A packet of powdered cheese went down my
back and my spine was orange for some time.

Misheard Lyric: Mare of Simpleton.



Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:59:43 GMT
From: "Andrew Alcala" <>
Subject: box set???
Message-ID: <>

Dear Chalkhills:
              I haven't been a fan of XTC for as long as a lot of you. I
just discovered them about two years ago. Anyway, now that I'm a fan, I was
wondering if anyone had any information about the rumored box set that is
supposed to come out later this year. Mainly, the estimated time it's
supposed to hit stores. Thanks a lot. By the way, here are the top 5 XTC
albums so far:
                   1. Black Sea
                   2. Skylarking
                   3. Apple Venus Vol. 1
                   4. Drums and Wires
                   5. English Settlement


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:10:12 +0000
Subject: Telephone Man
Message-ID: <>

In Chalkhills Digest #6-239 Squirrel Girl asked the following....

Since some of you have proven your superior knowledge of Awful Songs:
does anybody remember an awful song from 1978ish, sung by a female and
called "Telephone Man"?  Who was that?  Why do I remember it?

The Song in question was indeed called Telephone Man and was a top ten hit
in the UK around August/September 1977. The artiste was a woman by the name
of Meri Wilson. As to why one might remember it, I think it was one of
those songs that was so bad it became good. I remember my eldest brother
absolutely hated the song (but he never had any musical taste anyway).

Lyrically it went something like.....

Went into my apartment on a Monday at one
singing ooh la ly la ly shaky bum shaky bum
Started moving in it on a Tuesday at two
singing ooh la ly la ly shaky do shaky do
Wedneday at three I rang the phone company
singing hey baby put a phone in for me
Thursday at four he came a knocking at my door
singing hey baby I'm your telephone man
You can show me where you want it and I'll put it where I can
you can have it with a buzz
you can have it with a ring
and if you really want it you can have a ding a ling.....

It then continued on in a similar vein.

Note, the above has been dragged from the black and murky depths of my
memory. I haven't actually heard the song in question for probably twenty
years or so. God, it's scary some of the things that lurk in the back of my

XTC content ? None this time.

Non XTC content ? See the above.




Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:05:25 EDT
Subject: Re: New Topic
Message-ID: <>

In a message dated 8/15/00 6:01:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<> writes:

> What is the first album (XTC of
>  course) that you waited to be released?

Big Express.


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Barry Chapman <>
Subject: Fossil Fuel and other ramblings
Message-ID: <>

Hi everyone,

I wanted to give a big thank you to Todd for giving us
Chalkers the heads up on's promotion.  I too
purchased "Fossil Fuel" and I agree that the sound
quality is much better.  "Wait Till Your Boat Goes
Down" is really growing on me!

My worst date concert wasn't really a date, but it was
a terrible concert.  It was the Indigo Girls' "Swamp
Ophelia" tour.  Now, I really like the self-titled
album and "Rites of Passage", but "Swamp Ophelia" just
fell flat for me.  The concert was even worse because
of Amy and Emily's overbearing seriousness.  I have no
problem with musicians being serious about their
music, but when they start to preach to me about
various social issues, that's when they lose me.  (My
better half and I also had a little tiff before the
concert, so I was kind of ticked off - maybe that's
why I hated it so much?)

Anyway, here's my list of artists that I try to
collect extensively-
XTC, The Beatles, World Party (new album-YAY!),
Richard Thompson, Fairport Convention, Lyle Lovett,
Tom Petty, Bach, Mozart, Vaughan Williams.  I also
like hearing recommendations of other artists from
this list - Owsley's album rocks!

This was my first post, so thanks for listening and I
hope I didn't prattle on too much.
Take care,
P.S. Any Central Ohio Chalkers out there?  Come on, I
know I'm not the only one!


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:53:16 -0400
From: Gary McBride <>
Subject: Deeep Hurting
Message-ID: <p04320400b5c061fa692a@[]>

On the topic of:

>  What was the worst 'date' concert you've ever attended?
>  Now, not worst concert, not concert where the artist
>  disappointed you, but a
>  concert you attended primarily to please another and was an evening of
>  deeeep hurting.

In high school, a girl I liked was into a particular band, and one
day I heard on the radio that they were coming to the local arena, so
I told her that tix went on sale that next Saturday. Monday she shows
up and says "I waited in line and got you your ticket..." when I
hadn't intended to go. But hey, the girl wants me to go to the
concert with her, who am I to say no? So, from very near the front of
the hall, I got to suffer through the agony of...REO Speedwagon (and
special guest 707). Torture, even for my immature teenage
sensibilities ...and not even a good night kiss out of the deal.

And I won't even go into the woman who conned me TWICE into going to
witness the horrific display that is a Jimmy Buffett concert...

Favorite concerts (alphabetically):
Afghan Whigs - Homecoming show of Black Love tour
Elvis Costello - Imperial Bedroom tour
Elvis Costello/T Bone Burnett - solo acoustic tour
Marshall Crenshaw - Downtown tour
Crowded House - Woodface tour (and Together Alone tour)
John Hiatt - Warming up to the Ice Age tour
Robyn Hitchcock - Element of Light tour
Hoodoo Gurus - Mars Needs Guitars tour
Jazz Butcher - Condition Blue tour
Pixies - Surfer Rosa tour
Royal Crescent Mob - any show
Thelonious Monster - Stormy Weather tour
XTC - Nonesuch tour (...just kidding)
X/Replacements - More Fun in the New World tour
Young Fresh Fellows - Electric Bird Digest tour

XTC content...
I do miss Dave Gregory... just listened to the solos on the end of
"Books are Burning" and the other memorable moments on Nonesuch. He's
so good, I hope he finds a gig that will let us hear more from him
without venturing into Marillion territory.

Anyone else notice that the drum intro to "The Disappointed" seems to
be rather roughly tacked on? It's cool, but with headphones, you can
practically hear the splicing tape...

Anyone else wish Andy had left the coda off "Wrapped in Grey" ("And
at the very least you can stand up naked and grin")?  To my ear, it's
like Mozart ending a piano concerto with "shave and a haircut, two
bits." (I'm bracing for flames informing me that the line is the
essence of the song's message, and that I'm a Philistine for
suggesting it may be less than wonderful, but it still bugs me.)

I agree... "All of a Sudden" is one of my absolute favorite XTC
songs, and it's gained additional poignancy for me with the recent
illnesses of my parents.

Finding I'm more than old,


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