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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 236

                  Sunday, 13 August 2000


                 Cooking Vinyl CD Single
              Stupidly Happy is a bad song.
                     Parental Revenge
                  Re: Scary Music Thread
             A judgement made can never bend
           Destroyer; that damned 'send' button
        Be vewwy, vewwy qwiet! I'm hunting wifts!
                    welcome back molly
               Nonsuch No Bueno is Nonsense
                       Ape Alchemy
                    uncle dave gregory
                     ALL OF A SUDDEN
           My, you people are so superstitious
                 Re: & Chalkheads
                     I Don't Remember
                 Re: The Spector of Lynne
               Give it up for the drummers!
                   Just popping in....
                baby, we've got a date...


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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:11:07 +0100 (BST)
From: Rory Wilsher <>
Subject: Cooking Vinyl CD Single
Message-ID: <>


Keith Walker enquired about this:

This CD single (which snuck out in the UK whilst
Chalkhills was off the air in early July) contains:

1. I'm The Man Who Murdered Love
2. I'm The Man Who Murdered Love (the home demo)
3. Didn't Hurt A Bit (the home demo)

Following its release it received heavy airplay on
Radios one, two, three and four, frequently twice an
hour. GLR, Virgin, Kiss, and all the local stations
picked it up immediately and started playing it.
Having entered the charts at number one, it has stayed
there ever since. Britney Spears vowed to give up
recording after hearing it, saying "I just can't
compete". The Queen has offered AP and CM a
knighthood, and Tony Blair now regularly consults AP
before formulating policy. God has also called to
discuss some of their previous work to find out where
He's been going wrong.

Some of the above is untrue.

Rory "Wake Up!" Wilsher


Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:12:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Radios In Motion <>
Subject: Stupidly Happy is a bad song.
Message-ID: <383948160.966024734476.JavaMail.root@web190-iw>

Supidly Happy is a bad song!  I mean bad in the 70's sense of the word.  Its
a "cool" song.  I would have to agree with those of you who feel it would be
a great single.  I will put it this way; my 11 month old daughter jumps out
of here car seat (well, she kind of bounces in the seat belt) when the song
comes on.  She loves all the music I play, but 2 songs for some reason make
her go nuts.  Those songs are "Peaches en Regalia" by Frank Zappa and
"Stupidly Happy" by XTC.  Now, I don't know what methods artists use to
study the effect of their music on the population, but I would suggest using
babies to determine if their songs "ROCK" would be the best methodology!

Oh, thanks to Mr. Coolidge for the comment about politics!


Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:51:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Rory Wilsher <>
Subject: Parental Revenge
Message-ID: <>


Mothers, eh? Who'd 'ave em? (Apart from everyone,

My dear mother now suffixes everything she says with
"Whaddya think to that?" It's beginning to get
annoying. Serves me right for playing XTC to her, I

Rory "The song has a TITLE! And a POINT!" Wilsher


Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:56:14 -0700
From: "Victor Rocha" <>
Subject: Re: Scary Music Thread
Message-ID: <004901c003ce$347c94e0$>

Dearest Chalksters, my music never scared my mother. hell, she saw Sam Cooke
and Little Richard in concert when she was a teen.
Now looking at the people who made my music was another story. My mom hated
going into room in 1975. It was covered from carpet to ceiling with posters
of Kiss, David Bowie, Alice Cooper, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Elton John,
Beatles, Slade, Eno and lots of comic book heroes. I think the androgynous
look scared my mom more than the music. (MOM: Victor, what are you doing
with that glitter star on your forehead? 13y/o VICTOR: what glitter star?)

XTC content: I became a XTC fan during the Black Sea/ES years. I became an
XTC junkie after hearing the Dukes of Stratosphere. which one did for you?

Victor Rocha (Pechanga Band of Luiseoo Indians)
California Indian Gaming News
Los Angeles, California


Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:55:34 -0400
From: "Todd Bernhardt" <>
Subject: A judgement made can never bend
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Enterworks, Inc.


Kevin Diamond asked:
> Which brings me to another point. I know there are a few Prog-Rockers out
> there, so I must ask you: Do you agree with this guy? Are there Prog-Rock
> qualities to music that I've never noticed, and is that what attracts you to
> XTC?

Yes. Prog, at its best, simply means smart music, IMO. Your friend's
contention that "Concept Albums = Prog Rock, essentially" shows an
ignorance of the genre. Yes, prog at its height (early 70s) imploded
because of bloated egos and the overwrought concept albums they begat,
but certain people figured out how to sidestep that problem and many are
still at it today. King Crimson just released a fine album. Kevin
Gilbert, God rest him, loved prog and was expert at creating prog-pop
songs (check out Toy Matinee or Thud) and was even working on a
compelling concept album (The Shaming of the True) at the time of his

My favorite music is "intelligent music with balls." That is, music that
rocks, and that sticks with you because it has depth. You can find this
in all genres, but I think many prog fans are drawn to XTC because they
fit this mold rather well. There are other prog-poppers out there, IMO
-- meaning they write intelligent, melodic tunes that rock, say
something and generally eschew or try to go beyond the three- or
four-chord structure and simple boom-whack production values that fill
the top 40 charts today -- Yazbek, Jason Falkner, Peter Gabriel
immediately spring to mind. If I were at home looking at my CDs (and
wasn't supposed to be working), I'm sure I could come up a much longer
list. But XTC is at the top of this boy's list.

Warren Butson, in a witty, intelligent and insightful post, asked:
> A few people have been praising Mummer and wondering why it wasn't fancied
> very much by chalkers. In my case being a fan from 1980, you must bare in
> mind it followed Black Sea and English Settlement.Both albums excelled in
> punch,commerciality and musicianship.
> I'd be interested to know others opinions who had bought this album when it
> came out and how they reacted.

My love of Mummer might have to do with the fact that it was the first
"new" XTC album I bought (I discovered them after ES came out ... and
after they stopped touring, dammit!),  but I also think the album is
brilliant and chock full of progressive pop (see above). Yes, it's
pastoral, but I think it's a perfectly logical progression from Black
Sea --> ES --> Mummer. When you figure in their return to jangly
dissonance with The Big Express, you have a very nice progression

Yeah, I missed Terry on Mummer. But Pete Phipps' drumming is very good
and powerful, and he was able to do things on songs like "Love on a
Farmboy's Wages" and "Ladybird" that Terry frankly wouldn't have been
able to do. I wouldn't call Mummer a wimpy album -- I'd say it's
thoughtful. Freed from the constraints of having to reproduce the songs
live, the band could come up with songs like "Deliver Us from the
Elements," "Human Alchemy," "In Loving Memory of a Name", "Me and the
Wind" and "Funk Pop a Roll" -- all of which IMO deliver a powerful
punch, lyrically and musically. If I had to choose one XTC album, it
would be this one, though I think it works best as a pair with BE, just
as AVI and WS work together as a pair.

I love the b-sides that were recorded around the time of that album, but
hate their placement on the CD. Damn the suits at Virgin for doing that
with all the CDs.

And, in #233, we were treated to another RiMjob, as he reacted to Jon's
post. He defended himself by quoting an earlier RiMshot:
> "I don't like getting into politics much because it seems whenever that
> comes into play, every hates you for one reason or another. Conservatives
> hate you if you say anything that they don't agree with and liberals and
> democrats are not much better because they feel everything they believe is
> right."

Then why do you insist on constantly bringing up politics in this forum?
And if you're going to consistently make such sweeping generalizations
about people -- which you've done the whole time you've been here, no
matter what subject matter you're on about or what name you've called
yourself while on the list -- why are you so sensitive when people call
you on it?

> Exactly my point, I am an "ASS" according to Mr. Jon here just because he
> disagreed with me.

No, he said you're an ass for "brazenly oversimplifying the US political
culture," not because he disagreed with you.

>  I also have "distorted views of US politics" because it
> differs with his view of politics.

No, you have a "distorted view of US politics" because you insist on
pigeonholing people into categories of your own choosing, categories
based on either ignorance or laziness. The world is not black and white,
Brian -- there are a lot of shades of gray out there. People would take
you more seriously if you acknowledged the subtle differences between
people, music, political parties and approaches, etc., instead of
talking about what you hate and about what you assume other people hate.

> If I make a general statement
> about democrats, republicans, whatever, its based on my opinions and my
> beliefs.  I don't see how that makes me an "ASS."

Having opinions and beliefs is easy. Responsibly airing them in public
-- that is, backing them up with facts -- is harder, but helps lend
credibility to your opinions and beliefs. If you believe these things,
fine, that's your prerogative. But if you want us to take you seriously
-- and you post often enough to this list that it sure looks like you
want us to! -- then back up what you say. And I defy you to back up a
statement like this, from #226:

>Liberals are broken up into 2 categories.  1 category of liberals are just
people who have a "Green Peace" or "Amnesty International" sticker on their
Volvo or gray BMW.  That pretty much sums up their feelings.  They are just
as conservative as George Bush but want to pretend they are the "We Are The
World" generation.  The other set of liberals believe that everything needs
a reaction.<

Sorry ... that's bullshit, pure and simple. Jon was guilty only of
pointing out the obvious, because only an ass (I'd say "asshole") would
seriously make a statement like that. Or perhaps you're not an ass --
maybe you're purposely trying to be inflammatory by persistently
pestering us with off-topic generalizations like this. Which is it?

> Wonder why I
> made generalizations about conservatives and liberals hating someone for
> stating their opinion!

Me, too. BTW, what do moderates think of people who state their opinion?
You haven't blessed us with your informed opinion on this yet.

To the rest of the readers, if you've gotten this far: I'm sorry for
trying to put out this particular fire with gasoline -- but fire is the
devil's only friend, you know.

To paraphrase John Goodman in "The Big Lebowski" -- Shut the fuck up,

-Todd "Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling" Bernhardt


Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:18:32 CDT
From: "Megan Heller" <>
Subject: Destroyer; that damned 'send' button
Message-ID: <>

Today my best friend read a review on of an album called
"Thief" by a band called Destroyer.  The reviewer said the following:

"If you're anything like me, you've probably stayed up late many a night
wondering what the bastard offspring of David Bowie and Robyn Hitchcock
might sound like. [...] Of course, this particular hybrid isn't perfect. At
his best, frontman Daniel Bejar sounds like Robyn Hitchcock singing David
Bowie songs with Guided by Voices lyrics. At his worst... well, at his worst
he sounds exactly the same, only worse."

Has anyone heard them?  Any further comment on the review?

In other news...
I kind of regret a post I sent last night.  I was a bit pissy.  My apologies
to any offended. (Although I don't regret the etiquette bit.  I just know
that my diction was, well, crap.)



Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:20:34 EDT
Subject: Be vewwy, vewwy qwiet! I'm hunting wifts!
Message-ID: <>


>The following paragraphs are excerpted from the Chalkhills posting
Etc, etc, etc.

I CAN'T DRIVE 55!!!!! (sorry for yelling.)
Oh, and Hawwison Shewwood is a vewwy, vewwy funny man.  Huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh!
(You bwillliant bastawd!)  "I'm stewpwidly happwy...."

"Make more laws and and you make more criminals."  Woody Guthrie

Tom K


Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:10:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: welcome back molly
Message-ID: <>

Molly re-joined and delurked to post:

Okay here are some artists I won't give up on:

Okay here are some comments on artists you won't give
up on:

Kate Bush (I hope she releases more stuff soon, been
waiting for about
years for her next release)

Me too-she is so great! I discovered her on a sunny
spring day when a friend popped Hounds of Love in to
his car's tape deck during a 1 1/2 hour ride. That
album sill reminds me of sunny Spring days.

Squeeze (I think I might the only Squeeze fan who
actually LIKED  Domino)

I kind of lost interest after that god-awful Difford &
Tilbrook lp back in the early '80's. Never picked up
on them after that. Love all their records up until
that point.

Duran Duran (ducks the flying tomatoes)

Here comes a big juicy overripe one! Make it two-the
second is for that album of covers they did a few
years ago. 911 is a Joke? what the Hell were they

XTC (of course)

of course. I managed to survive the disappointing
Nonsuch and a 7 year wait for the brilliant
breathtaking AV1, so i figure i'll never give up on

Suzanne Vega (she's a great artist)

Love her too! She's supposed to be doing another folky
album-moving away from the more rock-oriented music of
her last couple records. Apperantly she's been touring
Europe trying out new material.

The Bangles (again ducking the flying tomatoes)

No tomatoes. 'All Over the Place' is fucking GREAT!
Don't believe me? Buy it and find out for yourself!

I never give up on:

Elvis Costello (enen though he's let me down a few

Tom Waits (Ditto. Contrary to popular opinion, I found
'Mule Variations' disappointing)

k.d. lang (Her new one's pretty good, a little fluffy
for my taste. 'Drag' is awesome, and sadly is under- appreciated.


Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:43:01 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: Nonsuch No Bueno is Nonsense
Message-ID: <000101c00469$cd1bc400$7a5791d2@oemcomputer>

all ,

excuse brevity ...
just got back from a 30 km bike ride half of which consisted of uphill
mountain road trekking and am now enjoying a cold lager and NONSUCH while
the Panasonic fan blows cool air on my hot body ...

NONSUCH is my favorite XTC album . THERE - I said it . And it ain't only
because Dave Mattacks is on the skins . I dig every song including the often
attacked Smartest Monkeys and War Dance . Pure bliss .

Sip sip sip ... ahhhh ....



Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:33:31 EDT
Subject: Ape Alchemy
Message-ID: <>

> RP (with apologies for inevitably bringing chuck heston's crew into this)

Speaking of Chuck--Planet of the Apes just came out on DVD. Now you know at
some point someone will want to make this into a musical. In fact I'm seeing
a pattern here! It appears as if both guys were inspired by the movie to
write some of their most memorable songs! Of course they were altered after
the fact.  Since they seem to be related I propose Andy and Colin start work
right away. This could be the next Le Miz or Phantom! some song title


Chuck can make a cameo but I'd suggest Dennis Miller for the lead role.
Roseanne would embody the role of the mute woman Nova. What a cast! It'll be
a show for the ages!......

Reeling from the possibilities



Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:50:35 +0100
Subject: uncle dave gregory
Message-ID: <>

now can someone shed light on his livegigs with blondie,wherewhen
he was ace

kind regards, DAVE


Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:49:29 EDT
Subject: Oops
Message-ID: <>

In my post about Parents I said my mom liking Patti Smyth, I meant Patti
Smith.  I don't even think my mom knows who Patty Smyth is. :)


Molly's Pages:
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:56:48 +0100
Message-ID: <>

nobody has mentioned this wonderful track.any fans like this?

kind regards, DAVE


Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:58:05 -0500
From: "Joe Funk" <>
Subject: My, you people are so superstitious
Message-ID: <008f01c0046d$bbed2080$7721fea9@user>

Greetings! Chalklings!!!

I don't have a sure-fire dialog that I use to describe XTC to
someone...  But the following adjectives would be useful:

"Springlike, Trippy, Acerbic, Manic, Tense/Anxious, Quirky,
Cerebral, Sophisticated, Elegant, Wry"

Thanks for your "Fudlian" description of "Stupidly Happy"!!!
Masterful!!  I laughed till I stopped!!

Joe "It's just this little chromium switch here" Funk


Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:34:06 +1000
From: "Dracon" <>
Subject: Re: & Chalkheads
Message-ID: <000a01c00405$c9e74b60$290ffea9@dracon>

> Hey great idea to have a section on dedicated to Xtc fans music
> (Chalkheads).

Hehe, we can all do covers of XTC songs. I've been practising 'Books are
Burning' on my Acoustic Guitar. Mind you, I can't do the spiffy guitar solo
at the end, but I've got the chords nutted out.
Or we can do XTC tribute songs, I started writing a song called "Chalkhills
and Branson", but I haven't gotten around to putting much effort into it.


Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:28:04 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: I Don't Remember
Message-ID: <000801c003fe$9e594180$6b5791d2@oemcomputer>

>has anyone heard a pete gabrial track called I >DONT REMEMBER with our
>dave in fine form on it?

>>NOW we're getting somewhere!  And a good one!  >>I don't have all of
>>albums.  I had NO idea Gregory was on any.  >>Who's got this one?

I bought the album as soon as it came out back in good old 1980 . I have the
USA Mercury record
( entitled "Peter Gabriel " , w/ melting face cover )
and there  are no credits listed . This is one of Gabe's best albums and I
heartily recommend it .



Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:01:19 EDT
Subject: Re: The Spector of Lynne
Message-ID: <>

Dave said--

> Well, I like 'em too, Wayne and they both received unnecessary slagging
> at the time.  Lennon may have written better songs, but he wrote worse
> too and I don't think that there's been too many songs in the charts
> since that are as melodic as either.  As for Jeff Lynne, I didn't think
> he did that bad a job, perhaps there was a little of the Phil Spector
> over-the-top production, but George and John in particular always liked
> that,

You're right! Lynne's production is very Spectorish. That's probably why it
seemed a bit too much when it was first released. I suppose the part that
bothered me most was the big production in contrast to John's rough sounding
demos. Then again, there was no other way to do it, was there? By the way,
Jeff Lynne sings backing vocals on Free. George talked Paul into letting
Lynne sing on it (it had always been his fantasy along with millions of other

I would have been interested in how Martin would have tackled the production.
Although there was a characteristic Martin "sound" it's a lot more subtle
than Lynne's (and it actually fit the Beatles sound perfectly). Nevertheless,
Lynne does a good job of combining Martin's approach along with his own. I
felt that Lynne's (and still do) production fit Free much better than Real

>>Just played Ringo Starr's Blast From the Past.  Photograph is an excellent
piece of pop.  It Don't Come Easy, Back Off Boogalloo and You're Sixteen <<

Ringo's Ringo album has all of those tracks and the sound quality is quite a
bit better (well, Back Off Boogaloo is on the follow up album)

Although I quite liked Andy's guitar playing on Wasp Star, I though we should
start nominating guest guitarist for the next album. My choice would be the
current King of the 12 String Marty Willson-Piper. As for keyboards I'd
recommend Ben Folds.

>>A few people have been praising Mummer and wondering why it wasn't fancied
very much by chalkers. In my case being a fan from 1980, you must bare in
mind it followed Black Sea and English Settlement.Both albums excelled in
punch,commerciality and musicianship. <<

As I mentioned I love parts of Mummer. I'd like to see whether or not a
remix/remastered job would bring a little more color to the production (which
sounds a bit sterile to me. That's my only complaint about parts of Wasp Star
as well although the songwriting is a bit more consistent). I'd agree about
the b sides being better than a lot of the album tracks. A stronger producer
would probably have helped.

One more point about Napster that  I forgot to put in my little bit in my
last post. I agree with alot of Dunk's points in the article that John so
kindly put up. I would like to see some form of Napster that is artist
friendly and allow artist's to make rare or bootlegged tracks available to

Later days & happy trails!



Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:56:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Radios In Motion <>
Subject: Give it up for the drummers!
Message-ID: <385099323.966045414956.JavaMail.root@web184-iw>

Now, I like lots of music.  I like Hip-Hop as I stated, I like industrial,
rock, new wave, punk, pop and all the other terms people put on music.  I
love Jazz, blues and reggae, ska, classical, all the music you can think of.
I will say this though.  When it comes to drums, I like them loud.  I mean,
I personally use a drum machine, and I like a lot of music that uses drum
machines or synths for their drums, but nothing beats a real, live, kick ass

When it comes to people like Martin Chambers, Johnny Vatos, Terry Chambers,
David Lovering and drummers that just beat the shit out of the drums, well,
to me, that is what really gets the blood flowing.  There are so many other
drummers I could think of, but these are just a few that come to mind right
now.  Oh, the drummer(s) on Wasp Star are good, don't get me wrong.  But
come on, they don't pound the drums like a lunatic hitting the walls in his
rubber room.  To me, that is the stuff that really makes the music rock.


Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:55:16 -0400
From: "Cheryl" <>
Subject: Just popping in....
Message-ID: <000b01c003f7$fbdf6160$aa02f7a5@com>

Hello everyone,

I have been trying to keep up with the 'hills but I've been working so much
and just plain out of the house...

As much as I have been enjoying Wasp Star, suddenly I have had this craving
for...Skylarking.  And I have been listening to it constantly.  Can't seem
to get enough of it!
I guess because I see it as the ultimate summer album...
Just wondered if anyone else has had a craving for this album at this time.

Watching as new hairdos crumble,


Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:14:29 -0700
From: "Wes Hanks" <>
Subject: baby, we've got a date...
Message-ID: <000b01c003ea$1c80af40$fbd0bfa8@default>


As its a beautiful day out, and I'm not at work, how about this glass marble
dropped in an empty oil drum:

What was the worst 'date' concert you've ever attended?

Now, not worst concert, not concert where the artist disappointed you, but a
concert you attended primarily to please another and was an evening of
deeeep hurting.

The concert that still produces PTSD in me is Jackson Browne at the height
of his popularity in circa 1979.

I did not marry her.

Wes "oh cool, this is where the keyboard player sings falsetto during
'Stay'...aaaaahhhhhhh, aaaaahhhh, mother!!" Hanks


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