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Subject: Chalkhills Digest #6-22

          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 22

                 Tuesday, 1 February 2000

Today's Topics:

                How do you spell ass----?
                   hey! hey! catfight!
                  Re: Is Art Subjective?
    Rag & Bone Buffet: Countdown to Christmas rules!!!
          A Dehiscent Reply to Flicky Llewellyn
                Andy & Colin Do Vegas ???
                        end of XTC
                    that guitar sound
             Burning with Optimisms Flames...
             file under: i don't believe it!
                 Another XTC Sgt. Peppers
                  Bumper Cars/Black Sea
 "No Language in Our Lungs" sampled in "Freaks and Geeks"
                  trainspotting, part 2
                        XTC on TV
      god help us, there's an '80's revival coming!
            Freaks & Geeks have No Language...
               all you need is melted guns


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Message-ID: <003f01bf6bd1$c26e2b00$725791d2@johnboud>
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: How do you spell ass----?
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:52:30 +0900

Digitalmaster opined :

>In regards to a message from Mark Strijbos:

>That would be totally disappointing if Dave's stuff is removed.  I know
>Andy is an asshole (or so I hear ) ...

* IS * ? Andy - like each and every one of us - * can * be an asshole at
times . Semantics , I know , but hadda jump to AP's defense here .  * Sir *
John Johns removing * Lord *  Cornelius Plum from Apple Venus 2 ?  Off with
his head !

The Sushiman

P.S.  NEVER do business with CD Universe - trust me !


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:02:41 -0500
Subject: hey! hey! catfight!
From: "Duncan Watt" <>

Re: "Murgatroyd Llewellyn" <> 's thrust:

> Subject: An open letter to H.B. Sherwood
> Dear Miss Sherwood,

VOICEOVER: "The dominant male silverback raises one eyebrow..."

Duncan "Murgatroyd Llewellyn=anagram for Andy Partridge, give or take a few
vowels?" Watt

email me:
surf me:


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:08:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Is Art Subjective?
From: "Duncan Watt" <>

"Arty" David Seddon <> posited, re: whether or not
art is subjective:

> To my mind, the true test is time.  There are other criteria, but this is
> the truest!  If something is still popular after a number of years (I'm not
> going to attempt to define the exact number) despite changing fashions, then
> to me it clearly must have a quality that other pieces that fall by the
> wayside do not.

Yes, of course it does: popularity. By this logic, Metallica is infinitely
more artistic than XTC.

Duncan "I... *like* it!" Watt


Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:14:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Benjamin Lukoff <>
Subject: Rag & Bone Buffet: Countdown to Christmas rules!!!
Message-ID: <>

 Molly Fanton <> wrote:

> I just got Rag & Bone Buffet on CD a couple of days ago, and let me
> reliever.  I wish they didn't put the Christmas songs on it,
> especially the disco sounding one (can't remember the name, brain is
> half asleep).  It's an awful song.  I have to skip it when it comes
> on.

I *love* "Countdown to Christmas Party Time"!  Even better than the
A-side, I think.

> Not XTC related, but I discovered something wonderful, The Drew Carey
> Show soundtrack.  Okay flame away, but there are a lot of great jems
> on here like Lust for Life by Iggy Pop and both versions of Cleveland
> Rocks (one from Presidents of the USA and the original sung by Ian
> Hunter).  This whole album just makes me want to go competely mad.

I can't stand the Presidents of the United States of America, though I
must admit they did a good job with "Cleveland Rocks".


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:05:48 EST
Subject: A Dehiscent Reply to Flicky Llewellyn


It's thrilled to the tits I am to receive yours of the 30th, offering me
your hand in marriage. Alas, I'm going to have to pass up the Golden Oppo.,
as an equally toothsome paramour has (quite coincidentally, I'm sure, and
not in the spirit of vulgar competition) offered me his entire arm. I
intend to accept his proposal--that is, of course, unless you can see your
way to doing me the signal honor of throwing in a leg or two. Do let me
know by return post, won't you? Norrie is *so* ardent!

>p.s. Your place or mine?

I'm given to understand, through private channels not available to the
public at large, that the house next door to Andy Partridge's is for
sale. You come though with that improved offer (the left leg is my
favorite!) and before you know it we'll be dancing the Forbidden Fandango
till Himself bangs on the wall, in five-four time. Meanwhile, darling,
regard with trembling anticipation the lust-quickening object at, which I
will get you for your birthday if you are very very VERY good.

Harrison "Imitation of Ivory" Sherwood


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:20:29 -0800 (PST)
From: nross <>
Subject: Andy & Colin Do Vegas ???

In response to:

From: "Digitalmaster" <>
Subject: End of the XTC as we know it, and I dont feel fine.

Of XTC's future, you wrote:

"I am just scared that they
are going to completely break up soon.  Think about it, there is only 2
of them left now."

At least we know there is one more album of new songs to be released
"soon". Don't count them out. Sting and Phil are still going, and
going, and going. Bon Jovi and Def Leppard are still at it. Elvis...
and Burt Bacharack (spelling?)recently collaborated.

Anyways, even if AV2 is the last we will hear from XTC, its probably
not the last we'll hear from its current or former members. XTC has had
a nice run of it and has survived 7 years of recording industry limbo,
not bad for a few "old" men.

You stated: "However, for most people, Apple Venus was not something
they could fully comprehend."

Has (have ?) the general public ever  fully comprehended XTC's music?
I'm still working on it myself!

  "Remember being a teenager listening to XTC (assuming you
are between 24-30 Years old)?  Can you remember why you listened to

:-) I remember watching them on Urgh! The Music Wars and saying "Gawd,
I could like this song if I didn't have to WATCH them". Funny, now I'd
love to see them on tour.

"What made you go out and buy "Drums and Wires", "English Settlement",
"Skylarking" or "Oranges & Lemons" (I first got into them in the
Skylarking era, but my first album was "D&W")"

:-) Remembering "Dear God" and "Mayor of Simpleton" and that "Urgh! The
Music Wars" performance made me desire for more. My first XTC record
was the Upsy Daisy Assortment, free, from BMG. This was acquired a few
years ago. I just bought Oranges and Lemons... My God! What a great
great great CD!!!!

"Now, go back in time (mentally), close your eyes and imagine being 13,
or even 16, and liking AV1?  Be honest."

Ah... no... too in to Siouxsie and The Cure and the like. I'm not sure
I can even imagine that style in the 80's... it just doesn't fit the
I'm older now... what is the point in going back to 13 or 16. I'll
gladly face my 29-30ish self listening to "old fogie" XTC music.

Actually, I've been having a hard time listening to top 40 (though I do
like that Hoku song from the movie Snow Day). I remind myself of my
mom... listening to Oldies or soft-rock stations searching for Seals
and Croft or Crosby Stills and Nash...

"No matter how much we love Apple Venus, we would probably not have
bought AV1 and XTC would have not have made it this far."

AV1 would not have been recorded if XTC had not made it this far.

"I hope I am making sense to some of you...  I am not
saying XTC should compromise and do a song with the backstreet boys or

How about producing the Backstreet boys?

   "I just think Andy & Collin should remember what got
them the fans in the first place and stop doing "Andy & Colin as XTC"

I think this is why Andy doesn't like the internet digest deal... I
would bet my sweat that Mr. Partridge  doesn't care whether his fans
view AV1 as an.... "Andy & Colin do orchoustic" deal. In fact, I think
some such sentiment has been stated.

You just want to see the threesome as one again. Why stop there... Make
them bring back Terry Chambers; I doubt Oranges and Lemons would sound
the same if they had.

Good bands tend evolve. In doing so, these bands will lose some fans
and gain some fans. Inevitably, good bands die. When XTC decides to
call it quits, its members will have left the world with some wonderful
music that it can always enjoy.

Be happy with that. Be happy you can appreciate the same music you
liked as a teen. Be happy your taste in music has evolved with time.

-smile, Nicole

Nicole's internet music station:


Message-ID: <>
From: "garret harkawik" <>
Subject: end of XTC
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:26:14 EST

Digital master had this to say about the apocolypse:

>Think about it, there is only 2 of
>them left now.

Acually, according to the section of Song Stories on Skylarking, Colin left
the band when he got in a fight with todd rungeon and never withdrew his
resignation, so Andy is the only member of XTC.

>It was(AVv1)"old people music" to most
>teens I'm sure.

I'm a teen and I love xtc and AVv1, but i'd be willing to bet my life that
i'm the only teen within 100 miles whos ever heard of them.

Garret Harkawik


Date: 31 Jan 2000 21:48:02 -0000
Message-ID: <>
From: "Murgatroyd Llewellyn" <>
Subject: that guitar sound

re. those songs by J. Cope, yer man Wilson Wes says:

> I really, really "dig" (sorry!) the sound of the guitar > on these
>tracks - crisp, with just the right amount of  > distortion. Who is
>this tasteful guitar soloist, anyway? > I can't tell from the liner
>notes. If anyone knows, send > me e-mail. Does the guitarist have
>solo/other work out?

It's Donald Ross Skinner, I believe. And you're right, that guitar
sound is N I C E !


Message-ID: <001e01bf6c3c$004199c0$0200a8c0@digitalpc>
From: "Digitalmaster" <>
Subject: Burning with Optimisms Flames...
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:39:10 -0800

First let me start off thanking everyone for their optimistic posts.  I
wrote that in a mood with disgusted towards today's music.  I was just
worried that XTC would be a thing of the past.  Though there is nothing
wrong with them being of the past, I just feel they deserve more and have
much more to offer than most other groups out today.  It bothers me about
their absents.  The whole label situation was a real drag, and I am very
glad its over and perfectly happy with AV1.  In fact, "I'd Like That" is my
favorite XTC song of all time to be honest.  I have always love how long
they have lasted.  While other groups who started after them are having
revival tours and getting back together, they are still making music (minus
a few members).

I don't think they should "sell out."  I don't feel they should go
backwards either.  Remember, this is coming from someone who has not heard
the new demos of AV2 so maybe they have already answered my call.  I just
don't think most teens would get AV1.  However, as one of you pointed out,
most teens did not get O&L or Skylarking either, so, I would agree, that it
really does not matter.  I was alone at that time being an XTC fan.  There
were a lot of XTC fans, but most people were into Heavy Metal and George
Michael and stuff.  So, I still like my XTC, Joe Jackson, Robyn Hitchcock,
and really could care less, I just hope they get more hits, for their sake.
They deserve to make some money.  Weren't 6 of their albums made just to
pay back the record company for court costs?  As I said, I don't care what
they do, I will still love it, as long as they keep doing it.

Let me also say, I for one, do not think Andy is an "asshole" and have
never met the man.  I was commenting on a interview where I read he is
pretty tough on the group and was pretty controlling when it comes to
music.  Then I went on to explain that me and him are very similar in that
aspect because I am exactly the same way.  All I can say is that no matter
what, I will buy everything they put out and hope that AV2 goes gold.  I
still hope they will get with some of the other members and will go on
tour.  Regardless, I will still always be an XTC fan (unless they do a song
with Celine Dion).


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:18:28 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: file under: i don't believe it!

yes, file this under un-fricking-believable;

i just saw a news segment that said that the spice girls will be awarded a
special achievement award at the upcoming brit awards.

the award is for (are you sure that you are ready for it?)...

lifetime achievement!

i'll say it again, just so you don't misunderstand...

the spice girls are being honoured for lifetime achievement!

oh, yes, they've been around for so many years - decades even - and they've
achieved so much with their many, many albums and quality contributions to
music as a whole!


one could be forgiven for asking why our lads (xtc) haven't been so
honoured, but...

it's proof, once again (as if it needed reinforcing), that the music
industry is in critical condition and is close to needing life support!

what we need today is another punk-like movement to shake the music biz out
of its coma. either that or gimme a fully loaded .357 magnum and i'll put
it out of our misery.


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:25:30 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: trainspotting

wow, i can't believe it happened, and on american tv, too!

monday night, 75 channels, nothing on, channel surfing... i reach nbc, with
a show i've never seen before called "freaks and geeks", when all of a

the opening riff of "no language in our lungs"! they even played the first
verse and chorus, too! they did cut the song short, but it was a great
moment of trainspotting for me.

unbelievable! i might even watch the end of the show, too.

i'll let you know.

 peace & xtc,



Message-ID: <>
From: "Stearns, Steve" <Steve.Stearns@METROKC.GOV>
Subject: Another XTC Sgt. Peppers
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:48:21 -0800

Sgt Pepper's - Summer's Cauldron/Grass
    To me, this was the obvious choice . . .both very atmospheric songs that
set the mood for what's to follow. Yes Grass is included because to me it's
the same song.

With A Little Help From My Friends - Life Begins At The Hop
    Can't really make a concrete case for this . . .it just fits IMO.

Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds - Jason And The Argonauts
    XTC's trippiest tune should go nicely into the slot occupied by the Fab
Four's trippiest.

Getting Better - Ball & Chain
    Nearly the same song musically . . .quite a different sentiment though

Fixing a Hole - Cynical Days
    Both songs give me that rainy day empty kind of feeling.

She's Leaving Home - Me And The Wind
 Continues the melancholy mood from the previous track.

Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite - Miniature Sun
    No XTC collection is complete without Miniature Sun, and I'll take you
all on, one by one or in a bunch to back it up.

Within you Without you - Green Man
    Both share the Middle Eastern/Indian/Celtic atmosphere . . .I thought
Beating of Hearts too but that song just doesn't have the same feel as WIWY.

When I'm Sixty-Four - Frivolous Tonight
I'll bet Colin had this at the back of his mind when he wrote FT.

Lovely Rita - Mermaid Smiled
    No one writes jaunty pop songs like Macca, but Mermaid Smiled comes

Good Morning, Good Morning - Wake Up
    I agree with another poster who said that this was an obvious choice.

Sgt. Pepper. Reprise - Summer's Cauldron Reprise
I'd love to hear what a hard rocking version of this would sound like!

A Day in the Life - The Everyday Story of Smalltown
It may not be as epic with the kazoos and all but I think that the intent of
the song was kind of the same, it ties together the universal with the
intimately personal.  Chalkhills and Children would work well here too.

Great thread!


Message-ID: <006d01bf6c44$f884ec60$7721fea9@jomama68>
From: "Joe Funk" <>
Subject: Bumper Cars/Black Sea
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:42:41 -0600


Did "Bumper Cars" make the final cut for AV2?  It seems it was on one of
Mitch's lists of tracks a while back.... I have the demo of this song, and I
just love the hokey organ mixed with the Black Sea-ish sounding guitar
tones!!  I haven't heard mention of this track lately.

Just curious...


Joe Funk
Austin, Texas
"Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses!  Not from
some farcical aquatic ceremony!!"


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:38:13 EST
Subject: "No Language in Our Lungs" sampled in "Freaks and Geeks"


Surprise, surprise!  Tonight's episode of "Freaks and Geeks,"
which is about the beloved misfits' struggles in gym class,
kicked off with a leisurely phys ed. humiliation sequence,
with "No Language in Our Lungs" played in lieu of dialogue
and sound, lasting about a minute-and-a-half or so.  So it
was a great showcase, even though it tragically occurred
opposite a news break on CBS on the Alaska Air crash....

Are any music editors or other production people on that
show in the Chalkie community, or even aware of this list?
Normally I wouldn't ask, but the fact that it was "No Language,"
a relatively obscure tune, after all, indicates serious geek/fan
potential here.

BTW, "Freaks" is supposed to be based in the mid-late '70's,
right?  So, technically, using a song from "Black Sea" [1980]
might be a tad anachronistic, but I'm not complaining!

And on a meta-level, just how geeky is it to write in a train-
spotting from a show about high school misfits?

Stephanie "yes, I'm still here" Takeshita


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:50:25 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: trainspotting, part 2

i wish i could say that the nbc show "freaks and geeks" was as good as the
xtc moment it contained, but alas, it was not.

not only that, but they didn't even credit the boys at the end of the show,
but joan jett got a credit for the theme song!

i guess i show be grateful that "no language" was played, but it still
galls me that they don't get the credit they deserve.

 peace & xtc,



Message-ID: <>
From: "garret harkawik" <>
Subject: XTC on TV
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:26:19 EST

The most incredable thing happened to me.  I was aimlessly flipping through
the channels on my TV when I got to NBC and what should I hear playing but
"No Language In Our Lungs" on the show "freaks and Geeks".I was speechless.
I was crying with joy.  But then, just as quickly as the moment came, it
ended, but not without changing me forever.  Kind of.

Here's some more evidence to support the theory that Dave choked to death a
while ago:on the back of Nonsuch, before the Ballad of peter pumpkinhead
picture, you see 3 men eating and drinking and the farthest man the left is
obviously choking because he is taking a large gup of whatever he is
drinking to "Wash it down" and the two other characters are patting him on
the back, and anyone who has ever read "Cristine" by Steven King knows that
this will not stop someone from choking, so therefore, he would have died.

Garret Harkawik

May your foreheads grow like the mighty oak.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:27:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: god help us, there's an '80's revival coming!

>The eighties are my favorite time period ever! New
>wave is my fav. type of music, and I could lounge
>around all day watching john Hughs movies

JUst you wait, young man! pretty soon everyone will be
running around in parachute pants and pinstripe jeans,
singing Human League songs, and getting all misty-eyed
for the days of Reganomics and Margret Thatcher, AND


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:45:22 EST
Subject: Freaks & Geeks have No Language...

Holy trainspotting!  Tonight on NBC's '80's high school show  "Freaks &
Geeks" they play quite a long edit of "No Language In Our Lungs."  Yes, the
XTC song, I still can't believe it.  Network, prime time TV in the US playing
XTC so prominently.  Quite enjoyable.

<<Whether it's incredible loyalty to each other or Cope has their family
members locked up in his basement, I don't know.>>

Run, don't walk to your nearest book store and pick up a copy of
HEAD-ON/REPOSSESSED.  It is Copey's autobiography covering 1976-1989.  You
will find out exactly how he picked his various bands and so much more.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 07:25:27 -1000
From: "Jim Smart" <>
Organization: 3Tripper
Subject: all you need is melted guns

Chalk Dust:

Just a quick note to let any Lennon-loving, gun-hating chalkers (like
me) who have lots of disposable income (unlike me) that there was a
page near the front of Mojo magazine regarding a new statue that is
available. It's a rather nice looking montage of John Lennon and a
guitar, I think. I can't remember what it looks like, but the key
point is that it's made entirely of ... (drum roll please) ... MELTED
GUNS. I think it's a really cool idea. It would look good in front of
my mansion, if I had one. I think there is a limited quanitiy that
sell for $6000 each. Not sure how big it is....maybe someone can find
a photo of it on the web? Sorry, I don't have the mag in front of
me....I was too cheap to buy it! I was just reading it in Barnes and

Jim "And there was an extensive article on Nick Drake, whose Pink Moon
album is a cult classic" Smart


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:30:28 EST
Subject: AOL

I'm afraid AOL's gotten to our good friend Harrison. To wit:

> PS: Reading the above post aloud using the r/w speech impediment
> Michael Palin gave Pontius Pilate in "Life of Brian" yields wesults
> that are wisible in the extweme. Go ahead. It's a scweam.... "Weturn
> at the weduced wank...."  *Chortle*!

>  Then the blinding insight hit me: It's not a given name; it's an
> *adjective*! Harrison (his *first* name, the lucky wretch!) woke up
> that morning, examined his emotional state and decided that the _mot
> juste_ for today was *flicky*! So that's what he was, all day!
> Flicky! Flickyflickyflicky! Say it out loud, it's almost like
> praying! I'm just feeling...I dunno...flicky!

And it goes on like this!!

Todd, weren't you supposed to be watching him? When do the men in
white coats arrive?

Melissa "I remember looking askance at a FLICK YOUR BIC ad once at the
store" Reaves

PS yes this is all old stuff. I'm still catching up, OK?


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