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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 216

                  Tuesday, 1 August 2000


                I'm Loopy for the Violins
                   Unexpected sighting
                    MASSIVE TRADE LIST
                    Middle Age Crisis
                   What's It All About?
         Never Mind The Bullocks, Here's Ed Ames!
           check this out!! (way cool site...)
                        Mea culpa
And you can't hear the words, and you can't tell if it's a boy or a girl ...
                     Misheard lyrics
                    In defense of Nomi
            Re: there's another Klaus, Klaus!
             Re: not so simple samples on AV1


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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:51:07 EDT
Subject: I'm Loopy for the Violins
Message-ID: <>

>From: "Mark R. Strijbos" <>
>Subject: Bum Rap

> Besides,  nowadays sampling is used just like any other instrument and
> not as a gimmicky and often irritating effect.
> Perhaps you should take a listen to River of Orchids before you throw
> stones in this particular direction

OK, we need some clarification here.

We are of course bumping up against a nomenclatural problem, here, in the
sense that *all* digital recording is "sampling." And I think this is
causing some confusion.

Music that is made entirely using sample-playback technology in
conjunction with MIDI (that is, the genres we group as "electronica") is
necessarily heavily quantized and mechanical (not to mention repetitious
to the point of sadism). To my perception, the purveyors of this group of
genres have allowed their musicianship to become subsumed to the tools
they use. It appears to me that the greatest skill involved in creating
this category of music is the ability to invoke a cut-and-paste command on
a computer. To me, this results in a music that is about as moving as a
Gantt chart

The demo of River of Orchids was done in this way, with a MIDI sequence
built by Andy that triggered orchestral samples in a sound module. But as
I understand the matter, the original intention in the final recording of
the song at Abbey Road was to have the orchestra play the song all the way
through, just as it was written. When it came time to record the piece,
the orchestra wavered in some spots, and the tempo wandered (as indeed it
will when human musicians are involved). Owing to time and budget
constraints (they had the orch. and the studio for one day and one day
only), the decision was made not to try to re-record the waverings but to
correct them later using a computer. (This is trivially easy to do with
modern digital-audio software.)

But what I'm hearing now from several knowledgeable folks in Chalkhills,
this is not at all my understanding of how River of Orchids was finally
executed.  There's a great difference between carefully correcting slight
errors in tempo, and just picking the best orchestral phrase and setting
it to loop for the duration of the song. My understanding is that River of
Orchids was "corrected," not "looped." You guys seem to imply otherwise.

I wasn't there, so I don't know: Which is it? We know that when Dave
Gregory left the band, among the many complaints he voiced was the notion
that "the computers are taking over," and that Andy had become far too
enthralled to the siren song of digital technology. True or not?

Harrison  "Command-V" Sherwood


Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:41:58 +0100
From: "Dean Skilton" <>
Subject: Unexpected sighting
Message-ID: <000201bff959$f95a1820$079168d4@mallard>

In the September 2000 UK edition of PC Magazine, in the First Looks
section, there is a review of Pagis Pro, which is a piece of scanning
software.  Imagine my surprise when I looked at the accompanying
screenshot, and saw a thumbhail of the b&w portrait of Colin & Andy at
Coney Island! It's the one that says 'Souvenier Photo', and was given to
members ot the Cooking Vinyl Club.

Dean Skilton


Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:23:21 +0100
From: "Marc Wickens" <>
Subject: Introduction:
Message-ID: <>

Hi I'm a new member of this list, just subscribed. Thought I'd let you know
a bit about my self I also have a few questions.

My dad introduced me to XTC (I'm 15, how many dads can say their teenage
son likes the same music as them!)

Not many of my school mates like (or have heard of) XTC, too busy listening
to rubbish like Titney Tears, the chip shop boys or whatever they're
called! and the like.

I wondered if there were any other fans of the same age of me?  I'm also
into the manics but at the moment prefer XTC mainly you because I could
listen to it all day the hear something different each time!

Marc Wickens


Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:11:19 EDT
Message-ID: <>

Oh my, the Chalkhills are alive with the sound of XTC fans! It's a bit too
much to handle, aint it?

Quick mention, my massive XTC trade site, Optimism's Flames: will soon be
changing to a much more informative site.  It will include real audio
and video of mega rare XTC, a tribute to the Little Express and to the
1989 XTC radio tour.  I hope to scan and put up all the copies of the
LE, though I can't figure out how to do this without screwin' up all
my nice clean copies.  Any suggestions?  I also plan to convert EVERY
one of the '89 radio tour gigs to real audio as well.  So when you
stop by you can take a look at the Memorabilia Museum, check out my
trade list and listen to some great audio.  Until can still
check out my trade list at the old site.  If you're looking for a
specific item I've probably got it.



Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:29:57 -0500
From: "Joe Funk" <>
Subject: Middle Age Crisis
Message-ID: <000201bff9ce$a21aae60$7721fea9@user>

Radios in Motion rapped:



First of all, it has nothing to do with whose songs are being sampled.
As Harrison put it:
"Taking pre-existing sounds, melodies and rhythms and coming up with
something new," I say "Cultural necrophilia."
It's all about originality and art, which most ( I said most, Dom!) Rap is
devoid of.
That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it!

Secondly, I would love to not listen to this crap, but like I mentioned
before, it is impossible to avoid in this "Hell of Sub-Woofers" blaring
down my street at all hours!!  OH SHIT!!  I"M BEGINNING TO SOUND LIKE MY

Joe "I've had enough of your shenanigans, young man!" Funk


Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:24:00 -0400
From: "Kate Burda" <>
Subject: What's It All About?
Message-ID: <000001bff9d6$00f46f00$>

So I'm listenting to Across This Antheap for the umpteenth time (my fave
song from O&L), and I suddenly realize I have no idea what this song is
about.  The difficulties of life?  Fake people?  Fake people making life
difficult?  Stupid things people do?  Insomnia from screaming skies? (and
what are screaming skies, anyway?)

Can anyone help me out with this one?  Don't go running to your 'Song
Stories'- I'd love to hear everyone's interpretation on this one before we
look up the answers.



Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:37:58 EDT
Subject: Never Mind The Bullocks, Here's Ed Ames!
Message-ID: <>

Pendulous Chalkites,

>From Ed "I don't have the time" K;
 >People get all misty eyed about
>how great AM/Top 40 radio was in 1967 just because they played "Penny Lane"
>and the latest Stones song.  Nostalgia has the nasty habit of filtering out
>the crap that completes the picture.  For every "Strawberry Fields" there
>was 10 things like "Please Release Me" by Englebert Humperdink.
>Well, fair enough, but that's not really a good reason for people to just
>shut up and stop complaining about bad music. Besides the catharsis of good
>old fashioned venting, the fact that there's always been crap means that
>there's always been just cause for complaint. The ever-increasing narrowing
>and insularity of the various market niches IS getting worse, however, and
>"scary" is as good a term as any, especially with the continuing
>conglomeration of the music industry into larger and fewer corporations.

Phew!  Well said, Mr. Ed!   You know, I had this discussion with a
knowledgable friend of mine not to long ago.  I was contending that, yes,
there was always a high volume of crap, even during the misty eyed good old
glory years.  But I felt that during the period from the British invasion up
to the early seventies that ratio of what could be generally agreed to be
quality output was much higher.  Of course, the social as well as the
technical revolution of the times had a serious effect, which also lends the
period it's mythical quality.  For me, however, I remember all the music
going on at the time and I knew, instinctively as well as conciously that it
was an extraordinary time for pop music.  I don't have blinders on.  Of
course we filter out the worst with age.  But I actively read and listen to
all I can about that period, so I'm not relying totally on my addled 'Good
ol' days' memory.  To make this even more interesting, I have the Billboard
top ten charts book from 1958 to 1997.  Here's the top ten chart from March
18, 1967, when Penny Lane (the flip side of Strawberry Fields) hit number one:

1  Penny Lane - The Beatles
2  Happy Together - The Turtles
3  Baby I Need Your Lovin' - Johnny Rivers
4  Love Is Here And Now You're Gone - The Supremes
5  Ruby Tuesday - The Rolling Stones
6  Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And The Papas
7  Sock It To Me Baby! - Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels
8  Threre's A Kind Of Hush - Herman's Hermits
9  My Cup Runneth Over - Ed Ames
10  Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye - The Casinos

Yeah, Baby!  Shagadelic!  (Ed Ames; oh well.  And who the hell were the

And now, March 15th, 1997

1  Wannabe - The Spice Girls
2  Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - Puff Daddy Featuring Mase
3  Un-Break My Heart - Toni Braxton
4  You Were Meant For Me - Jewel
5  In My Bed - Dru Hill
6  I Believe I Can Fly - R. Kelly
7  Every Time I Close My Eyes - Babyface
8  Don't Let Go (Love) - En Vogue
9  For You I Will - Monica
10 Don't Cry For Me Argentina - Madonna (just shoot me instead!)

Percentage of classics?  Draw your own conclusions.

As for Radios in Motion's rap rejoinder - I've heard quite a bit of those
artists.  The Disposable Heroes, in particular, really interested me.  As
I recall, they had a jazz guitar trio sound.  Played live, very little
sampling.  Is their CD still available?  BTW, Roots are from Philly.  Our
local "alternative station" WXPN plays some clever stuff.  Who was it did
that one that went "My definition, my definition is this.... over a sample
of that Quincy Jones instrumental (that was used in the swingin' London
scenes in the first Austin Powers)?  That was great!  To be fair, I've not
collected any rap, so my knowledge is limited so far to what I hear on the
radio and on TV.  And I will check out some more now that I have more
disposable cash.  Thanks for the list!
But again, I reiterate, it's not rap itself that I'm concerned about.  It's
the pervasiveness of rap among young listeners to the exclusion of song
oriented music.  Is it as bad as it seems?  That is all the average youth
seems to be playing.  Where are the songs?

And everyone's favorite trap door spider delurks with;

>On the other hand...Sex Pistols? Over-rated??? COME HERE AND SAY THAT!!!!

OK.  Where are you?  Actually, Dom, I atoned for this sin earlier.  However,
give me the Ramones anyday over the Pistols!

>Many lyricists in hip hop are extraordinarily gifted and comparable to Gil
>Scott-Heron, the Last Poets, Linton Kwesi and so on, while many of the
>producers are just plain amazing; the beats, the manipulation of samples,
>the incredible atmospheres they can just haven't heard (or
>listened to) the right stuff.
>but knock the Crowes and you're pissing up my front door, pal.

Got yer back, soldier.  I am good for something.  BTW, I've heard some of the
Crowes/Plant CD; I think it's F***ing awesome!

>This statement has no basis in reality. MOST rap songs have
>melody, it's just that the lyrics are spoken and (generally) not sung. For
>fuck's sake.

Huh?  Hum a few bars, please? (and I thought you were a musical kinda guy!)

>Where's the song???? Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom...and I thought you were a
>musical kinda guy! Oh, for shame!

Dom, Dom, Dom, Dom, Dom...Well, where is it?  (I ask shamelessly)

Glad to see ya 'round again, Dom!

ObXTC - I scanned through the top ten song and album lists - needless to say
no XTC.  It can also be argued that no matter the period a great deal of the
best stuff obviously lurked off the industry charts.

Another gem from the "ouch!" patrol - "Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting!"

Tom "Casey Kasim - *NOT*!" Kingston

"I'd never join a club that would have me for a member."   -  Groucho Marx


Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:33:08 -0400
From: "Daniel Phipps" <>
Subject: check this out!! (way cool site...)
Message-ID: <000901bffa33$183b9fa0$c38c04d8@pavilion>

hey all!

just found won't believe what you hear!!

check it out, won't ya'???  (trust's gonna surprise
you if you're truly into partridge and xtc!!)

peace and light --

/dan & ginger phipps <>

"right here in this moment is right where
 i'm meant to be..."  (edwin mccain)


Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 01:31:37 -0700
From: Jim Allen <>
Subject: Mea culpa
Message-ID: <>


Ryan and Joe bantered:
> >did Gilbert and his band really rip through most or all of
> >*The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway*
>Yes, they did.. At Prog Fest '94 in CA....  It is not available
>for purchase, but there are boots (excellent ones!) floating

I was there.  It was pretty amazing; they did all the major bits and they
sounded really good, very powerful--"Back in NYC" sent a series of caresses
that glided up and down my spine.  The crowd wanted them to play more, but
they ran over their time limit as it was.  I talked to the "Mike
Rutherford" afterwards and he said that they were planning to do the whole
thing as some point.  Alas, twas not to be.

The Musical Box from Montreal ARE doing "The Lamb" complete in October in
Montreal.  They got copies of all of the slides that were used in the
original production and they'll have full costumes, lighting etc.  It
promises to be quite an evening. Details at:

Harrison Sherwood wrote:
>However, if you are asking "where he got those sounds from" in the official
>AV1 release, the liner notes of the album (not to even mention your own
>sample-addled ears) would have told you they were recorded at Abbey Road
>Studios by The London Sessions Orchestra under their leader Gavin Wright,
>and were conducted by Mike Batt.

The credits say this: "Orchestral arrangements for 'Greenman' and 'I Can't
Own Her', Mike Batt. All arrangements played by London Session Orchestra
under their leader Gavin Wright"  So, no mention of 'River of
Orchids'.  There's no mention of Abbey Road anywhere in the credits and
"under their leader" implies that Gavin Wright conducted Mike Batt's
charts.  I'm not in to XTC enough to read every scrap of info on them and
buy albums of demos, so how was I was supposed to glean from the credits
how Andy arrived at the sounds or where they were recorded?  And if they
were tweaked with ProTools, that might account for why I thought they might
be samples.

A good percentage of my music listening is spent on 20th century
orchestral/opera things so I'm kind of familiar with what "real"
instruments sound like. How silly of me for not recognizing the acoustic of
Abbey Road, the particular sound of a session orchestra and the wholly
distinctive conducting style of Gavin Wright and/or Mike Batt.  Oh that's
right, I'm not one Harrison Sherwood with his superior ears and
intellect.  Poor me.

Turning off the sarcasm, I really enjoyed Ed K.'s post about some of things
I brought up.  I now fully regret the phrase "Yawn. How lazy and
boring".  That was a potshot and was, er, uh, lazy and all that.

>True enough, but you also admit that a lot of it is only accessible by
>searching it out (which can involve shelling out cash before hearing).

True, but that's one reason reason for using Napster, to investigate stuff
I'd heard about.  I was hearing a lot about a nu-metal band from here in
Los Angeles called System of A Down, so I downloaded 3 or 4 songs of
theirs.  Didn't like 'em, deleted them and crossed them off my "must buy"
list.  Music is by far the biggest thing in my life so doing that kind of
research comes naturally to me.  I realize that other people have
different priorities (family, work, church etc.).

>(the person who listens to nothing but 100% ambient is no better than the
>person who clings exclusively to guitar pop like some extra-tenacious tree

Great line!  Nah, I would never listen to one genre exclusively---I once
said this to someone at a ProgFest and they looked at me like I had 4
heads.  They honestly couldn't understand why I didn't listen to only
prog.  As if......

>  I didn't notice that you made much of an offer to help people
>expand their horizons.

Er, I mentioned some rap records I really liked, some of my favorite prog
records, some punk records and a bunch of techno/ambient artists I like all
in one post.  Doesn't that count?  Did I use the wrong format for this list?

>I'll try anything backed by an honest recommendation, but how is harping on
>people's close mindedness any more productive than the complaining you
>have such a problem with?

Point taken.  Obviously, there's not a bit of difference between the
two.  After I read the digest that my post showed up in, I realized I could
have phrased things much better.  Memo to self:  Don't write a post when
you are watching a baseball game on TV at the same time.  Undivided
attention please.

>If you put out a few samples hung on a drum track and can't be bothered with
>making a song out of it, writing lyrics, or even making any variations in
>texture, claiming to be above that sort of thing because you're so cutting
>edge just seems wanky to me (but then I was never a prog fan).

I go to raves and the music is perfect for that scene.  I'm very aware that
it is not suited for listening at home or in the car but that's not what
it's really created for.  A lot of it IS repetitive and lacking in trad
song structures, a human touch and a distinct personality--I don't care
about that at 4 in the morning, I just want a stomping good beat, some
buzzy synth sounds and the DJ to handle the breaks right.  I don't miss
vocals/lyrics, clearly defined song structures etc. at all in that setting,
but then I'm a prog head, those musical values have never been priorities
for me.

>(like I said, I've completely lost track of all the names of the ludicrously
>proliferating subgenres, so I don't know what exactly it falls under)

LOL!!! So true--I'm pretty plugged in to the whole thing and the styles
change every three months or so it seems.  It can all sound the same to the
uninitiated, but I can now instantly tell whether something is drum 'n
bass, trance, techno, deep house etc.  I'm interested in it so I've
researched it.  Most don't have the inclination or patience, that's

>(Ambient: as always, I have no problem with being corrected when I'm
>mistaken, but this has always sounded a bit too much like "new age for the
>too-cool" to me.

Ouch!!! True to an extent.  As with most genres, there's the innovators and
then everyone else.  And as is common with most other somewhat obscure,
non-mainstream genres, there's a certain amount of snobbery involved.

>I have a friend who decided years ago that he couldn't
>stand lyrics of any kind ever; this resulted in years of nothing but
>Tangerine Dream at his house [which I actually came to enjoy to a degree].

I might get along with your friend!  It comes from being such a fan of
prog, where the instrumental bits and the sounds are often more important
than lyrics or conventional verse/chorus/bridge song structures.

>So, do you want to curse the darkness by telling me how ignorant I am, or
>shine a light by helping me out here?

I really enjoyed your post--you make a lot of good points.  I never, ever
meant to imply that Joe Funk---whose postings I enjoy on the Gentle Giant
(is that the one?) list--or anyone else was ignorant.  I just wanted to
present the other side of the coin--sort of a Devil's Advocate kind of
thing and I did so in a clumsy and confrontational way.  I apologize for
that.  So here are some recommendations:

Framz Scherker:  Orchestral Music (on Chandos, cond. by Sainaisky with the
BBC Philharmonic)
Schreker is one of my favorite composers.  He's best known for his operas;
this CD consists of orchestral suites from them and some tone poems.  A
wonderful mix of influences like Strauss, Debussy and Wagner.

Puressence: Puressence
If you like late 80's Cure and early 80's Echo and the Bunnymen, you'd like
these guys.  Big washes of guitar, quirky--uh oh, that word again--vocals
and good lyrics.

King Crimson: Red
Usually the album that even prog haters can grudgingly accept.  Some of the
heaviest guitar work ever recorded and in pretty digestible 7-8 minute
chunks, well, OK, "Starless" in 12 minutes but it's great.

Tangerine Dream: Rubycon
Analogue synths, mellotrons and heavily processed sounds that combine for a
dense swirling "head trip".  A classic of its kind, very much a precursor
to late 80's dance things.

Unbelievable Truth: Almost Here
Lovely acoustic based songs with really strong melodies. Thom Yorke of
Radiohead's brother is the singer/main songwriter.  Talent surely runs in
that family.

Air: Moon Safari
A nice mix of analogue keyboards, great bass lines and faux 60's lounge
music. Contains lyrics and song structures.

Leftfield: Leftism
Stomping big beat grooves with wonderful melodies and interesting
sounds.  A good mix of styles.

Future Sound of London: Dead Cities
Strange, dissonant soundscapes, only occasionally anchored by a beat; a
great headphone record.  I gave a copy to a stoner friend and he loves it.

Orbital:  In Sides
This might fit your criteria of having actual songs in a techno setting;
there are clearly defined structures going on and it's a very "orchestral"
album without using an orchestra.  And, as their concerts prove, you can
still shake your booty to it.  A classic.

Orb:  The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld
Sort of like what Pink Floyd would sound like if they came up through the
80's British rave culture and not the 60's underground.  Great melodies,
wonderful soundscapes.  The sharp eared would recognize "Little Fluffy
Clouds" from the commercials VW ran to introduce the new Bug.

Massive Attack:  Mezzanine
Cut from the same Trip-hop cloth as Portishead, but a little more hip-hop
oriented and musically much more muscular.

These are all pretty well known albums, I'm sure you've already heard most
of them.


NP: Rathaus, Symphony No. 1


Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:07:09 +0100
From: "Laura Brown" <>
Subject: And you can't hear the words, and you can't tell if it's a boy or a
Message-ID: <006801bffa0d$ee7001e0$b73c70c2@kenaud>

girl ...
> From: Mark <>
> Subject: A nervous introduction

(defence of rap snipped)

> (Suggesting music to
> people who've been collecting music longer than I've been alive in some
> cases: am I not the epitome of arrogance?).

Nah. The epitome of arrogance is someone assuming that no worthwhile music
has been produced since they personally stopped buying records by new acts.

> Labels are deceptive: would
> you like to have our beloved XTC judged on Britney Spears because they're
> both pop?

Hell yeah! They'd sell a lot more albums. ...

> Anyway, that's probably enough: seeing as there should probably be at
> least *some* XTC content, I'm currently listening to "No language in our
> lungs",

I asked this on a few days ago, but that group
doesn't seem to get much traffic: Has anyone else noticed how much the intro
to R.E.M.'s Pretty Persuasion sounds like the intro to NLIOL?

> my first
> XTC album (virgin experience?) was Go 2, which I love to bits,

Mine was Oranges and Lemons, and I love it too.

> and my
> favourite is my LP of Drums and Wires,

Mine is either Nonsuch or Wasp Star. A minority view, I know.

> (quick namecheck: Soul Coughing, Tom Waits, XTC (of course), Jane's
> Addiction, Nick Cave, Ben Harper, Radiohead, Primus, Mike Watt, Gomez,
> Elvis Costello, Morphine, Skunkhour, Sly and the Family Stone, Living
> Colour, Massive Attack, Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, and Thelonious Monk.
> Am I entirely out of place?)

Well, I would agree strongly on Massive Attack, and moderately on Nick Cave
and Radiohead. No Primus or Elvis Costello for me, sorry.

> From:
> Subject: napster
> Message-ID: <>
> have you heard they have been ordered to cease operating by u.s law?

They won a stay in appeals court.

> From:
> Subject: ain't nothin' but a Hound Guide
> And a banner ad by "Swapit" on "The Onion"'s website several
> months ago read:
>                    "Swap XTC for REM"
> Idiots.

Could it be, is it possible, that some copywriter just thought it would be
cute to use two bands that used three letters for their names, and didn't
intend any sinister message?

And at any rate, "swapping" one band for another doesn't necessarily mean
you want to get rid of stuff by the first band. If you're trading tapes of
bootlegs, for example, you make a copy.

    Laura Brown


Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:27:07 -0400
From: "squirrelgirl" <>
Subject: Misheard lyrics
Message-ID: <001501bffa7d$c8a6e4e0$1278c0cf@meredith-s>

Howdy 'Hillians -

Have to pick up on the "misheard lyrics" thread - I'm sure we did this a
couple years ago but it's so fun, and we've got a lot of new lurkers in
these here parts.  Anyway, CCR was getting a lot of airplay in my house when
I was a child, and I heard "there's a bathroom on the right" instead of
"there's a bad moon on the rise".  Likewise, Sir Elton would probably keel
over if he knew I sang "B-B-B-Benny has a chest" until I was about 6.  A
might precocious I was.

The child of a friend has given new meaning to TWATM for me - she sings
"Rou-ound goes the weasel".

And, as I have advised Dom off-list, yes, I was serious about the Iron
Maiden thing.  I have requested that he record himself singing those
hosannas and download it for those of us who would be highly entertained by
that.  E-mail off list to him to make your requests :-)

I've sent my location to Erik for that wonderful Chalkhills map - hope
you'll all do the same!



Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:49:58 -0500
From: "Larry Stevens" <>
Subject: Mis-herd
Message-ID: <002701bffa80$e5cdf060$e6c6d4cc@oldbessie>

Misheard XTC:

"Oh Lord, deliver us from the elephants" (Reference to Republicans?)


"Said I'd do a job for all the manatees" (Environmental message?)



Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:45:59 CDT
From: "Megan Heller" <>
Subject: In defense of Nomi
Message-ID: <>

Stephanie Takeshita mentioned
> >>there are not many Klaus' in the international music business. One
>German singer called Klaus Lage came to fame in the 80s. And there is
>Klaus Voormann>>
>Oh, man, I can't believe you left out Klaus Nomi!
>Most of it is just
>jaw-droppingly bad, and much of it is hysterically funny.
>he had poor artistic judgement (shoehorning disco sounds where they don't
>belong and stripping rhythmic songs of their beat) and, I'm sorry to say,
>no soul and absolutely no funk.

I think you're way too hard on Nomi.  I like his work.  Is it the sort of
thing I want to relax to on a Sunday afternoon? No (unlike Wendy Carlos).
But I think he had a lot of artistic (or, if you prefer, "Artistic") vision.
  He was a bizarre performance artist, and sometimes unlistenable (although
I love his rendition of "Falling in Love Again"), but soooo unusual and
visually stunning (I mean, at the least, the tuxedo must leave one stunned)
as to merit a lot more credit than, a-HEM, William Shatner.

In the meantime, I envy the hell out of your used find-- I only have what
Nomi I've mooched off of friends.  Don't you live in the DC area?  if so,
where on earth did you find it?



Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:50:44 CDT
From: "Paul Vicory" <>
Subject: Re: there's another Klaus, Klaus!
Message-ID: <>

>XTC content: Klaus Nomi can be seen and heard performing one song in a
>varied-artists concert tape from the early 80's, in which XTC performs
>"Respectable Street".

Just in case anyone might not know, the name of that video is "Urgh! A Music
War." A CD of the soundtrack was apparently released, although I'm not sure
if it is still in print; ditto for the video, which is excellent, BTW. Klaus
Nomi performs "Total Eclipse," which is absolutely breathtakingly queer, and
Andy and the boys tear it up on "Respectable Street."

Paul Vicory


Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:28:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe Hartley <>
Subject: Re: not so simple samples on AV1
Message-ID: <>

> From: Paul Brantley <>
> Generally all of the strings are real although they are invariably
> tarted up, or doubled by sampled strings (Easter Theatre) or mellotron
> (Last Balloon).
> Easter Theatre: those woodwinds are ALL sampled. Real trumpet (as
> credited) and mellotron flutes.
> Frivolous Tonight: The strings are exclusively mellotron. Sounds like
> moog brass (ala "Because" from Abbey Road).

For folks who might not be aware of the minutae:

The Mellotron was essentially the first sampler (OK, first commercially
successful sampler) which used a set of looped audio tapes to generate the
sound.  The end result was effectively the same - press a key and get a
prerecorded sound (the "sample") played back.  Examples of the Mellotron
can be heard on a number of King Crimson releases (even the newer ones) and
on the album "The Beatles" (y'know, the white one).  The little Spanish
guitar riff at the beginning of Bungalow Bill is not one of the lads, but
is in fact a Mellotron sound.

To come full circle, there's a company that sells samples of the old
Mellotron tapes for use in newer digital samplers!

ObXTC: Went back to listening to WSS after a few weeks off.  It's still
brilliant, but I still dislike Andy's Pod-processed guitar sounds.  Oh,
they're OK, but I can tell that the guitar wasn't played through a "proper"
analog amp.  But that's the biggest complaint I have, and it's not a
big one!

       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant -
Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa


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