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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 214

                   Monday, 31 July 2000

Topics:

         Re: beyond bad (can't we please go...?)
                     You can Call me
         Oh, to add to my post about Rap artists.
       "And the rap shall lie down with the song."
What do you do when you're Band-ed, and you don't have a name?
             My Music Can Beat Up Your Music
                   Hey, hey, my, my ...
             Re: The great catch up, vlume 2
                        Fading...
                MFSL Skylarking (and O&L)
            Re: Not so tasty words to eat ...
                  Ooops, I'm postmodern?
                         Old Nick
                  Matters of genetalia.
                Jules verne and has beens
                      Re: Beyond Bad

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:53:34 EDT
From: Poisongold@aol.com
Subject: Re: beyond bad (can't we please go...?)
Message-ID: <ce.8b0c097.26b25dbe@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/27/00 7:55:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> writes:

<< Alright, so we've gone past artists that suck and are now listing those
 bands that make us physically sick.  >>

Hmmm... well... you know... sorry for posting twice re: the same digest but
I have to suggest, with fire extinguisher in hand, that we're not really
going to get rid of bad misic (or music we consider bad, or "music" we
consider bad) by spewing venom about it, and in my not-so-humble opinion,
it's more productive to talk about what we actually like.  I'm not saying,
"Hey, get all this 'Music I Hate' stuff the hell off the list," I'm just
saying, "Could we maybe think about it?"

With that in mind, I'll suggest a thread:  What pop/rock artist, that you
like (almost?) as much as XTC, sounds the most different from XTC?

I'll start the bidding with Graham Parker.

regards
MJC

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:50:15 EDT
From: WTDK@aol.com
Subject: You can Call me
Message-ID: <17.8dbce30.26b24ee7@aol.com>

Al speaketh:

> I think that Simon's best moments were with his Unkle
>  Garf.  Songs like "Scarborough Fair" and "Mrs.
>  Robinson" are still great.  Moreover, I think that
>  "Graceland" was an overrated piece-of-crap that gained
>  attention because of the South African connection.
>  And finally, "Loves Me Like A Rock" still makes me
>  want to ralph...

Come on Al! You're just jealous because Paul wrote a song about you but
didn't list you in the liner notes.

Wayne('s world would be excellent IF Xtc sold loads of albums, toured and
cooked me dinner)

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:10:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Radios In Motion <radiosinmotion@iwon.com>
Subject: Oh, to add to my post about Rap artists.
Message-ID: <383269418.964753854585.JavaMail.root@web191-iw>

Another good artist to check out is Guru.  He has 2 albums: Jazzmatazz Vol1
and Vol2.  All real live Jazz Mucisians, some of the best too!  He is also
part of the group Gang Starr, which samples a lot of the same Jazz artists
who he has on his albums!  He actually did the solo thing as a sign of
respect for real musicians.

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:55:50 EDT
From: KINGSTUNES@aol.com
Subject: "And the rap shall lie down with the song."
Message-ID: <3f.821e71e.26b25e46@aol.com>

Great rolling mounds of chalk,

>Artists who peaked with their first album? Creatively or commercially? In
>any case, ...The Byrds?
>Granted their first album is a great album but they made albums equaled the
>first one in terms of songwriting. I actually prefer their second album
>(particularly since they had more creative input---they didn't even play on
>their first single!).

Being a Byrds connoisseur, I shall give my two cents.  The Byrds first two
albums, Mr. Tambourine Man and Turn, Turn, Turn! were good but very spotty.
They sport some great stuff, notably the title tunes, I'll Feel a Whole Lot
Better, the gorgeous Bells of Rhymney, Chimes of Freedom, It Won't Be Wrong,
The World turns All Around Her (to name a few).  But there are a number of
tunes that fall short, and even border on bad.  BTW, McGuinn & Crosby did
play on Tambourine man.  Oddly, with the departure of the underated frontman
Gene Clarke, they went on to do what I consider their true classic albums, 5D
and nearly faultless Younger Than Yesterday (Their best and their peak,
IMHO.)  Even Notorious Byrd Brothers was strong.  As they steadily lost their
orignal personel and crept to a more country based sound, their recordings
slowly lost their classic "Byrdness"; but through all their changes I can
honestly say they never made a bad album (except for that godawful reuinion
attempt).  As I see it, they peaked not with their first, but their 3rd, 4th
and 5th.  BTW, I found the best way to listen to their albums is cranked WAY
up with plenty of bass.  Try that with The Bells Of Rhymney!  Yow!
*******

>In #6-205 Ol' Granpa, AKA KINGSTUNES, took an *unnecessary* shot at rap

No it wasn't.

>What happens with rap?   I repeat:  What happens with rap??
>Where's the fucking SONG?  HMMMM?

Well, where is it?

>Now I love songs as much as the next guy, and I agree that people need
>them, but why can't rap co-exist and be appreciated?  I am a rap fan, and
>while not too into the misogynistic or violent side of it, I do appreciate
>the art of it.  Just because it doesn't speak to your experience or ear for
>music doesn't mean it has no validity. And I'm not talking about the Puff
>Daddy / Will Smith variety.  I'm talking Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, De La
>Soul, Tupac, and P.M. Dawn.

I've heard plenty of great rap myself.  I'm not knocking rap per se.  BUT -
my argument was centered on the importance of songs.  Rap has been around a
long time, and as an "art" form it has been commercialized and elevated to a
position it was not meant for, for the sake of sales.  My fear is that the
current generation of young people will be so "rapped" up with it all to be
cool that songs will became a thing of the past.  That would be tragic to no
end!  If that happens, Seasons In the Sun and Playground of My Mind would
start looking pretty good.  It scares me that every time a car of teens pull
up with music blaring, it's fucking rap!   They are eschewing one of the
greatest and most joyful elements of human life.  For what?  Tupac?  And tell
me, how on EARTH does this speak to the experience of these middle class
youths?
So tell me, everyone, is songwriting in danger?  What do you think?

BTW, if anyone would like to hear what rap could be, check out In The Ghetto
Of Beautiful Things, TSOTT, Kevin Gilbert.
******

>I think that Simon's best moments were with his Unkle
>Garf.  Songs like "Scarborough Fair" and "Mrs.
>Robinson" are still great.  Moreover, I think that
>"Graceland" was an overrated piece-of-crap that gained
>attention because of the South African connection.
>And finally, "Loves Me Like A Rock" still makes me
>want to ralph...

I've been wanting to get in on the S & G talk.  I'm probably the biggest S &
G / Simon fan on this list, so I'm biased, but here's my take.   I feel they
peaked with Bookends, their penultimate album.  The masses and critics in
general are enamored of Bridge Over Troubled Waters, which I love as well,
but I find it's more inconsistent than Bookends.  The songwriting and
arrangements show Simon reaching a timeless and powerful intensity on
Bookends that got a little fluffy in spots on BOTW.  What can I say, I just
love Bookends, it's their masterpiece.

As for Graceland, when I think of the hours of pure listening joy I have
spent with that album, it pains me to read such ignorance.  Boy In The
Bubble, Graceland, Diamonds On The Soles Of Her Shoes, Homeless, Under
African Skies;  just fantastic, beautiful, beautiful music!   I'm so sorry
you are missing the joy of this record.  What a shame.

It is also my feeling that Paul did more for the elimination of apartheid
than his hypocritcal naysayers ever did.  Smashing the barriers of ignorance
with sweet music!  The dream of the sixties counterculture!  He did it!  And
to boot, contrary to the allegations of the reality alteration in my
contender's comments,  that album did not rely on the controversy for it's
GREATNESS.

BTW, don't get any on my shoes, please.
********

Glad to see someone mentioning Midnight Oil!  Love 'em.  Blue Sky Mining and
Earth & Sun & Moon are two of the most underrated albums of the 90's!   That
band rocks!!!!

ObXTC:  Nonsuch is a great album.  Whatsa matter with you people?   If you're
not XTC fans, go away!

Another bad band - The Flying Machine (Smile a little smile for me,
Rosemarie....)

God, I love music!

Tommy "Beastie Boy" Kingston

"There is nothing more difficult than talking about music." - Camille
Saint-Saens

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:10:39 EDT
From: KINGSTUNES@aol.com
Subject: What do you do when you're Band-ed, and you don't have a name?
Message-ID: <c8.82a3da1.26b261bf@aol.com>

Folks, hot off the presses:  another list of archived band names, for the
needy-

Mothra
White Male Heterosexuals
The Cretins
The Masterbeaters
Fortune 900
Margaret Thatcher
The White House Interns
The Friendlies
The Tractors
Psychic Vampires
The Republicrats
The Big Babies
Albert Finney On Ice
Hans Christian Anderson
Bloodpope
Spastic Colon
The Christmonkies
Earthbitch
Four-foot Jesus and the Goat Cartographers
Sovereign Pig
The Tortures
Shards of Doom
Maybe Not

(Thanks in part to Mad Hatter Martin!)

MC TK

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:48:02 -0500
From: Mark <lollard@usa.net>
Subject: My Music Can Beat Up Your Music
Message-ID: <39811E92.5D208BB6@usa.net>

LOL....seems to be a lot of "my music can beat up your music" lately...
blah blah blah... I add this:  "The more you love music, the more music
you love."  Is there really any such thing as "bad" music?  Or just an
absence of "good" music?  Kudos to anybody and everybody who ever sang,
wrote or played..or even just tried to.
The beat goes on.
~~~~~
that quote of Andy Partridge's, "...don't listen to other people's
stuff...". I concur.
~~~~~
I have recently noticed a personal preference to songs of Colin.  I
never realized it until I made my own "greastest" xTc cd...about 75%
Colin tunes.  Now don't get me wrong, I love Andy's work as well... just
making an observation here...yak yak yak

Ever listen to der Fodderstompf w/ headphones?  perhaps under the
unfluence of whatever??  we only wanted to be loved....we only wanted to
be loved... I do miss Dave.

XTC song of the day:  Seagulls Screaming Kiss Her, Kiss Her
nonXTC song of the day:  Kiko and the Lavender Moon by Los Lobos

Yours Truly,
Mark in house on a hill in Omaha

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:26:19 PDT
From: "Duncan Kimball" <dunks58@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hey, hey, my, my ...
Message-ID: <20000728062619.41642.qmail@hotmail.com>

Chalklies Ho!

Seth Frisby (damn, but I like your name) sayeth:

>p.s. you know what i'd like to hear on the next album? Mellotrons. >Lot's
>of mellotrons.

Hear, hear. Second only to the Hammond organ as the alltime greatest noise
of the 20th century.

In the meantime I think I get bombed and listen to "Deliver us from the
elements" turned up *real* loud like I used to do in the old days ...

By the way -- <unna@worldmailer.com>, I think it's really annoying when
people don't sign a name to their post. What were you saying? Oh, yes ...

>Subject: Beyond Bad
>It is with much physical hatred and hostility that I type this >"artists"
>name.... Neil Young! His voice makes me cringe. His guitar >playing sounds
>as if the guitar is begging to be euthanized. Back in >college my
>housemates had a band and they would cover Neil Young >songs. Consequently,
>many of those housemates are heroin heads now...

Oh, and obviously that's all Neil's fault? Sheeesh!

However the mention of good ol' Neil does bring up a few interesting
points for discussion. Neil, Dylan and Lou Reed in particular, have voices
which definitely do not fit the standard mould, and which many people find
unpalatable in the extreme. The divide seems to be absolute in most cases
- you either love 'em of your hate 'em.

Further, in Neil Young 's case there seems to be a huge gender divide,
with the vast majority of Neil fans being male. I'm only going on
anecdotal evidence, of course, but I know of few women who like either his
music or his voice. My wife, who has VERY broad musical tastes, doesn't
like him at all. She says it's "a boy thing". My friend Phil is a HUGE fan
, but his wife won't even let him listen to Neil young while she's in the
house!  (Personally, I'd be asking for a divorce).

Another tangent: Neil seems to be one of the very few 60s rockers still
seen as consistently producing credible, engaging music that reaches a
wide section of the public, meets with general critical success and is
well regarded by younger musicians (e.g. the hero-worshipping from Pearl
Jam).  Admittedly he did have a bit of a "dwahl" in the 80s (and I'm not
even gonna touch CSNY) but you get my drift. Similarly, Lou has had his
ups and downs, but has produced consistently interesting work and, after
an inevitable lull, came back really strongly in the late 80s / early
90s. E.g. I would certainly rate "New York" or "Songs For Drella" as being
as good as any of his earlier works.

Zimmy, however -- and this IS a personal view -- seems to have gradually
slipped away from us. I have not heard anything of his (with the solitary
exception of "Series of Dreams" or whetever it was) that comes anywhere
near the standard he maintained through the 60s and early 70s. "Street
Legal" was the last great Bob Dylan record for me. (I am often reminded of
an old National Lampoon jibe, which cited Dylan as proof that we are only
given a limited number of good ideas.)

In closing I also have to defend Paul Simon. I was not an early convert to
the "Graceland" thing, but it really grew on me, and he did more to
popularise South African township music around the world than anyone
before or since. I hardly imagine people like Ladysmith Black Mambazo,
Miriam Makeba or Hugh Masekela would work with him at all if he was the
kind of artist he is accused of being. I think the attacks tagging him a
tokenist and cultural plunderer were stupid and shortsighted, then and
now. The fact is he has been bringing in elements of other styles ever
since the Simon & Garfunkel days (remember "El Condor Pasa"?). He has
consistently striven to broaden his musical palette with styles from all
over the world. Why is this OK for, say, Peter Gabriel, but not OK for
Paul Simon? Surely his using elements of township music, gospel or South
American folk music is no stranger than a Jewish kid from New York singing
Anglo-American folk music -- a talent for which he was lionised, and
something he evidently should not have progressed beyond, in the minds of
some people.

Dunks

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:42:03 +0100
From: "Smith, David" <David.Smith@tfeurope.com>
Subject: Re: The great catch up, vlume 2
Message-ID: <4BBE67B71C1DD411A23600508B65F71E686094@tfsecmsg04.tfseur.co.uk>

Many thanks to Erik Schlicting for putting me straight on
the chronology of "I Only Have Eyes For You" in 6-206.
Particularly liked the "of course" in reference to Frank Sinatra
 - says it all really!

PS, I'm in Croydon, which is about 15 miles south of London.
So's at least one other Hiller, but it's not my place to "out"
anyone else!

***
Also in 6-206, Jayne mentioned Jimmy The Hoover. I think he's
one of the members of the great cheesy pop gig in the sky now.
Can't remember the guy's real name, but I know he drowned a
few years back. Hey-ho.

***
In 6-207 The Mole asked for an explanation of the word "nadgers".
Well, it's like errrrr, gonads, kernackers, dual dangly bits, plums,
balls, bollocks, passion fruit etc. Know what I mean guv?

Errr, what's a tallywhacker?

***
Harry Strole expanded upon my Paper Lace theme (and, yes, I'm
VERY sorry I started it). Over here in the UK they had four major
hits: Billy Don't Be A Hero, The Night Chicago Died, The Black
Eyed Boys and Hitchin A Ride.

There, I've said it. Please can we drop the subject? It's dredging
up memories of a childhood I thought I'd escaped!

And did you know, Andy Summers is closing in on his 60th (yep)
birthday? Strewth!

***
I don't want to get too involved in the Rap argument, simply 'cos
it's old news, but in 6-208 Alan Martin said "When was the last time
you heard a "Rap" lyric and thought, "Wow, I've never thought about
*blah* in that way".

For me it was De La Soul's first album. Patchy in parts, but some
real head turners. In general I agree, a lot of rap has got lazy and
you need to go back to "old skool" such as DLS, A Tribe Called Quest,
Arrested development and the Jungle Brothers to get you really thinking.

However, I think the real point about rap is no different from the real
point about any mass-market music - whether it's Frank Sinatra-style
easy listening, Country, Rap, Britney Spears pop, Punk, Heavy Metal,
jeez, you name the genre. Here comes the point, ready?

If you're prepared to listen to enough of a particular style of music to
know what you're talking about, you will find gems in any musical genre.
But, once again, it's a "wheat from chaff" situation.

It's really a question of attitude. I personally will listen to rap in the
hope
of finding a gem here and there - and I usually do. Obviously I stick more
with what I know better. I have an irrational hatred of country music - even
though I know it's irrational and there are some great songs to be found.
It's just that age-old problem - we're human - for which I heartily
apologise.

***
There's been a few mentions of Sugar as a band who peaked with their
first release. Strangely (well . . . ) the same applies to Sugar lead man
Bob Mould, who has not managed to emulate the brilliance of his first
solo album, Workbook.

***

Paul Culnane asked if anyone on this forum knew what vee Tube was
talking about. Paul, I don't think Vee even knows what Vee's talking
about!

****
Jeff Thomas' posting in 6-209 was excellent - lots of good points well
made etc . . . however . . . I would disagree with one teenie tiny point.
I think Dire Straits actually peaked with thier second release - Makin'
Movies.

All opinions of course.

***
And finally Esther . .

Al La Carte (arf!) said "Moreover, I think that "Graceland" was an over
rated piece-of-crap that gained attention because of the South African
connection. And finally, "Loves Me Like A Rock" still makes me
want to ralph..."

Ovr rated, yes, crap, not fair. Some cracking stuff hidden away. Agree
with Loves Me . .  but this highlights my particular problem with Paul
Simon - more than anyone else I can think of, Paul Simon hits higher
highs and lower lows than could be imagined.

For every "Loves me . ." or the execrable "Kodachrome"  there's an
equally great song like "Train In The Distance" or "Hearts and Bones".
Can't understand it meself - distinct lack of quality control.

Have a wonderful weekend in the playgrounds of your mind . . .

Smudge (11cc, heh heh heh!) Boy
E-Mail: david.smith@tfeurope.com

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Date: 28 Jul 2000 12:48:00 +0100
From: "Robert Wood" <Robert.Wood@mutech.co.uk>
Subject: Fading...
Message-ID: <00003414@mutech.co.uk>
Organization: Mutech Ltd

Radios in Motion said about Wasp Star:

>> Of course we all love XTC and know the album is great and I am not
disputing that.  I just think its going to be like AV1 and I don't expect
it to make much more of a buzz then it already has <<

I'm amazed that you thought the reaction would be anything but.

>> I just hope they keep up and start working on more material instead of
throwing in the towel which is what I am scared of happening <<

Of course they'll carry on, this is about the same reaction they've had to
every album since, well, ever really. OK, up to and including English
Settlement, they had singles airplay, and Senses was a big hit. But once
the touring stopped, the profile went down, and it's not going to come back
up again, even to the modest hight it was at at the time of ES. You're
kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

>From a selish POV it's a good thing, because Andy and Colin will never get
comfortable and strive to produce great music.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:24:47 +0200
From: a.de.koning@bp.vnu.com
Subject: MFSL Skylarking (and O&L)
Message-ID: <C125692A.00454F55.00@bpa.vnu.com>

Hallo Kalkers!

Acoustic Sounds has the Mobile Fidelity version of Skylarking available
again in their sales bin.
I don't know how much there are left, so if you want it I suggest you
teleport now to:
http://www.acousticsounds.com/acoustic/catalog/mofisale.html
It looks like there are also still some copies of O&L left.

Andre

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:20:59 -0700
From: "Ray Michno" <rmichno@my-Deja.com>
Subject: Re: Not so tasty words to eat ...
Message-ID: <JDPAHHKPCJFPDCAA@my-deja.com>
Organization: My Deja Email (http://www.my-deja.com:80)

>> From: IMSUNBAKE@aol.com
>>
>> Chalk Friends --

(lots snipped)

>> Do I agree that this should be the case? NO! Is it the case? Well,
>> just look at the dog poop on MTV and VH1! (with apologies to my 4
>> dogs, who have just wonderful dog poop). I just got Dish TV and have
>> been watching MTV and VH1 for the first time in about 4 years. Holy
>> jumping Judas Priest. It's just bleehhhhh!!! I haven't missed
>> anything!

Actually, MTV has been horrible throughout most of the 90's. They
kept adding more and more original programs and started playing
less and less music. And the horrible music that they do play is
repeated endlessly. I'd love to see a true alternative to MTV on
the air, but I think the general public would never support it.

-Ray-

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:02:23 -0400
From: MinerWerks <dminer@gte.net>
Subject: Ooops, I'm postmodern?
Message-ID: <a04310101b5a6f7c74aa2@[63.25.69.210]>

Rory "I broke all your records and I played all your rules" Wilsher comments:

>David Lake opines:
>
><BTW, anyone notice that you can sing 'Baby, One More Time' note-4-note,
>word-4-word along with 'Oops, I did it again'?>
>
>Errm, yes. It's the first thing you notice about the song.

I started to wonder how intentional this was, because the first time
I heard the song, it *included* samples of "Baby Hit Me One More
Time." They even threw in bits of "Drive Me Crazy" for good measure.
So is this little Britney's attempt at some post-postmodernism?

If "Stupidly Happy" is somewhat successful, can we expect to hear
home-based mixmasters combining XTC with "Never Let You Go" by Third
Eye Blind?

Or for that matter, will we ever hear our boys from Swindon in a
"Weird Al" Yankovic polka medley?

That, my friends, would mean they have arrived.

>I recently went to see "Supergirly" in London, who specialise in taking
>the piss out of the current boy/girl/boy&girl bands. They do a brilliant
>rendition of this (these?) song(s) in which they do precisely this - sing
>both songs at the same time. It's verr', verr' funny. But I guess you had
>to be there.

Saw some band on MTV take the piss out of the song too, by turning it
into a fast punk-pop number. It was some lame battle of the bands
that I invested two hours of my life to watch, just to find out that
the best (their word, not mine) "unsigned" band out there sounds just
like Rage Against the Machine and Kid Rock. Go figure.

* * * * *

Annamarie "I'm Finally Listening to Big Express" DeCarlo wrote:

>Nope, you're not barking mad. Same on this side of the pond. I've worked in
>college PR in Washington, D.C. for 5 years now (2nd or 3rd career?), and I
>have noticed that the ability to "figure it out" is declining dramatically -
>generally speaking. I've seen students simply stop their quest if the answer
>is not at their fingertips. Not laziness so much as the attitude "what do I
>do NOW? Eh? Eh? Eh?"
>
>Then there are those tender young gems (I hope my profs thought I was one of
>them, but I remember being as dense as stone occasionally) who not only can
>"figure it out," but who are a pleasure to work with. I know! I know! I've
>met them! Some even know XTC!

I'm 25 and since the last year or so of college, I've felt that I
take a much different approach to things than people I know around my
age. A lot of people in my classes would actually come to me to help
them figure things out. I've always been of the attitude that I
should figure out *why* a set of steps produces a result, whereas
most people I went to classes with were overwhelmed by just
remembering what order to reproduce the steps in.

As far as figuring out what is on the minds of young people these
days, I noticed Fox will be debuting one of those dreaded "reality"
shows, but they're doing it on high school kids. Evidently, they had
a number of students videotape a year in their lives, and Fox will be
editing it down to individual programs. And this isn't one of those
"Real World" things, where the producers influence the surroundings;
this is actual footage taped by the students themselves. I don't even
want to begin contemplating the enormous legal issues this program
must have prompted, but that's one reason I'm curious to see it. The
other is that I may actually get some insight about what the hell is
up with teenagers these days...

* * * * *

I picked up Jill Sobule's "Pink Pearl" last week... A few of the
songs on this album are creeping into my subconscious. I recommend it.

* * * * *

After living dangerously with my vinyl, I actually picked up some
supplies to clean my records properly before playing them. I also
discovered a new vinyl copy of AV1 among a bin of old stuff. A bit
pricey at US$18, but I had to have it. Anyway, I'd love to hear some
comments from people about the "feel" of the original vinyl LPs
versus the CD remasters of albums up through "Big Express." As
mentioned before BE doesn't really sound as good as it could on CD,
and I'd love to hear a good vinyl copy.

* * * * *

Lastly, about responses to my Beatles comments...

A couple of you were quite irritated by my apparent dismissal of
"Abbey Road." I have to say you quys were quite harsh, and I
appreciate that. While I still stand behind my overall assessment
that I like the middle period work better, and that later period
Beatles had some problems, I do think my tone was a bit flowery and
overdramatic. When I saw someone quoting my comment referring to
sessions "rife" with unreleasable material, I had to stop and think.
When have I actually used that word before?? Anwyay, "Abbey Road" is
a decent record. Like XTC, nothing I've heard by The Beatles (save
for the "Let It Be" sessions and some stuff that came to light
post-breakup) could be considered totally worthless. I just like the
creative work of the Rubber Soul/Revolver/Sgt. Pepper era a heck of a
lot more than I will ever like Abbey Road.

= Derek Miner =

P.S. - damn, just saw a preview for "American High," that Fox show I
was talking about... seems it was taped by a camera crew and not the
students themselves. Great.

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Date: 28 Jul 2000 12:54:00 +0100
From: "Robert Wood" <Robert.Wood@mutech.co.uk>
Subject: Old Nick
Message-ID: <00003415@mutech.co.uk>
Organization: Mutech Ltd

Rory asked:

>> Nick Drake has featured a lot on people's alien lists, and previously here
on the Hill. I confess to complete ignorance on this artist. <<

He was just this depressed dude who wrote music that makes Pink Floyd look
like the Archies.He topped himslef in '74 and spared us anymore of his
morosity.

Rob.

PS <BG>

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Date: 28 Jul 2000 13:07:00 +0100
From: "Robert Wood" <Robert.Wood@mutech.co.uk>
Subject: Matters of genetalia.
Message-ID: <00003416@mutech.co.uk>
Organization: Mutech Ltd

The Mole asked:

>> Steve ?

posted:

"grabbed me by the nadgers and refused to let go"

Can any Brits help out here? Does that mean what I think it does?

ie: nadgers = tallywacker <<

Tallywacker?! That's a new one on me!

Does that mean what I think it does, ie nadgers?

Oh, sorry. That doesn't help! <g>

Nadgers are your bollocks, old man - or to be a little more medical, your
gonads. Testicles, town halls - whatever your preferred moniker is...

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:10:21 +0100
From: Warren Butson <Warren.Butson@getty-images.com>
Subject: Jules verne and has beens
Message-ID: <917A9E311021D411ABDF00508B605A470F1D70@lonexchg01.tonystone.com>

Just thought I'd express my absolute joy at recieving the Jules Verne
sketchbook cd from Derek at Mindwerks? It's beautifully made with (i
assume) the original artwork and liner notes, and even a picture
disc. fabulous. The quality is pretty good especially the studio out-takes,
I'd never heard that song about the English something or other and even
though it was onlt about 2 mins, I though it was a great little tune,
others it appeared to me were best left un-recorded! Anyway the main thing
is to thank Derek for all the hard work you put into it and you didn't earn
a penny from doing it which shows what a nice chap you are, congratulations
on exhibiting true altruism!

	Regarding groups that now suck, I think it's a little harsh to pick
on groups like Moody Blues. Yes they've sucked since the 80's but for
goodness sake they've been going since the early 60's, give them a
break.Very few bands who made landmark contributions to Pop music can carry
on that standard for 30 years, ofcouse they're crap they are middle aged
men making middle-aged music as do most of the artists from the 60's. I can
understand that a once innovative band has now more crap albums on thier
catalogue than good ones and you always kind of wish they split at their
peak so you can remeber them as a great band that were cut off in their
prime. We can imagine that about brian Wilson thhat if he didn't fry his
brain he would have gone on to produce more classic albums, but the truth
was he hit his peak with Pet sounds and maybe could have done a great album
with Smile if it was properly made like Pet sounds but I suspect he'd hit
hit creative peak with Good vibrations. Whatever the case these artists
along with Mccartney have paid their dues and some.They've all written
milstone classics which will last forever, so should we still expect more
or just be grateful that they left us with 2 dozen songs that have affected
our souls possibly deeper than any other medium could or can.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:45:40 EDT
From: Jxnsmom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Beyond Bad
Message-ID: <b7.559b4ae.26b2e884@aol.com>

In #6-210, unna@worldmailer.com wrote:

<< O.K. It is with much physical hatred and hostility that I type this
"artists" name.... Neil Young! His voice makes me cringe. His guitar playing
sounds as if the guitar is begging to be euthanized.  >>

Amen, brother! (sister?) Testify!!

Amy N.

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