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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 208

                 Wednesday, 26 July 2000

Topics:

                    Poop, poop, poop!
    twenty-somthing Voormann - intoxicated Shakespeare
                       Sample This
                        New Bands
                      Arsenio's Here
                    Miniscule mention
             Rap it up (somebody will buy it)
             Something I discovered today....
                        boarded up
    Marked by the Culture and Bruised by the Seventies
                       poopy music
                        Dambusters
   New XTC friends, a missed opportunity, collectionism
            Life will be fine if we both 69...
                   through the hill etc
                  Re: Arrogance is Bliss
              Too Many Todd's In The Kitchen
                      grumpy old man

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:24:40 PDT
From: "Amy Denham" <amy_denham@hotmail.com>
Subject: Poop, poop, poop!
Message-ID: <20000725082441.19577.qmail@hotmail.com>

Debora Brown wrote:
<All this jawin' about the worst song of the 70's has conjured up some
lyrics from, what may be THE most wretched of all pop smears from that
decade..it goes something like this-
"my name is Michael(?), when we get married, we're going to have a baby or
two.. we're going to let them visit their grandma, that's what we're going
to do.."  it may be a girl's name in place of Michael, but Michael is in
some of the verses..
Either way, what is the name of this evil song, and why, oh why is it inside
my head?>

Oh this is wretched indeed--I had managed to forget about that song's
existence, and now you've probably got it firmly cemented in my head for the
next week!  It's "Playground in My Mind", and I have forgotten who the hell
sang (??) it.  It's Michael in the first verse, and Cindy in the second.
And it's bloody awful!!!  Ranks right up there with "Seasons in the Sun" and
"Afternoon Delight", IMHO.  It came out when I was about 7 or 8, and I hated
it even then!!!

"My name is Michael, I've got a nickel, I've got a nickel, shiny and new.
I'm going to buy me all kinds of candy, that's what I'm gonna
do".........AAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!  (runs screaming from the room)

Amy :)

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:27:31 +0200
From: Bergmaier Klaus <klaus.bergmaier@maxonline.at>
Subject: twenty-somthing Voormann - intoxicated Shakespeare
Message-ID: <41E0B760C85AD3119BE200E0291B6EE5057BB6@NTSRV>

Dear all!

At first I would like to recommend an album, which is best listened to
after WS. It starts up quite similar to how TWATM ends: the double-CD
"Genesis & The Opening of the Way" by Steve Coleman.

Another recommendable double-CD is "The School of Understanding", a
sort-of-an-opera by Michael Mantler (ECM Records 537963-2, 1997). For
those of you, who need name-dropping, it features Robert Wyatt and Jack
Bruce amongst others. Now playing in this office!

I like Erik Schlichting's idea abouting putting together a map of
Chalkhillians' locations. I think it has to be a globe rather than a
map...

Has anyone any idea what the great band "Trip Shakespeare" are up to these
days? I liked all their albums, anyone else here? The same goes for
Jellyfish. What a shame they spilt after Split Milk.-):

Beatles: years ago it was forbidden to even mention them here!
Chalkillians always wrote B*****s, when they had to re(e)fer to
them. Fortunately that's over now. I absolutely love Magical Mystery Tour
as an album, although it was not intended as one. But IMHO they really
peaked with their "last" album Abbey Road, although I'm not sure about "Oh
Darling" and "Maxwell's Silver Hammer"- sometimes I hate these two
songs. But "I Want You", "Because", "Something", "You Never Give Me Your
Money" and the medleys are true masterpieces.  I also love Rubber Soul. It
has a special personal meanig to me. When I was six years old, my parents
bought our first record player (1977). My brother borrowed Rubber Soul
from a neighbour, who is now percussionist living in Brazil. We are still
in an Austrian smalltown. Anyway, my brother (who was 15 in these days)
put on Rubber Soul, while I was watching from a safe distance. It was the
first time I ever heard real music. The guitar intro of Drive My Car still
sends the same shivers down my spine. The very moment I heard this music,
I knew that things would never be the same for me again. I wanted to make
music too. I started to learn guitar and keyboards. You can hear some of
the 1994 results of this on West Beatown (samples from Big Apple's album
"Strange Kind of Ecstasy").

BTW, as you can easily calculate: I am still a twenty-something (I became
29 on July 21st).

To all you Todds on the list (I like Rundgren pretty much): there are not
many Klaus' in the international music business. One German singer called
Klaus Lage came to fame in the 80s. And there is Klaus Voormann,
bassplayer for Manfred Mann in the 60s and for John, George and Ringo in
the 70s, producer of German New Wave band Trio and designer of the
Beatles' Revolver and Anthology covers.

I am rarely intoxicated. I once tried to listen to Magical Mystery Tour
with headphones while being a bit stoned. I didn't really work. I didn't
hear much, everything was drifting away from me (far to the left and the
right due to the spatial mix). I never listened to XTC while being on
something.

Free As A Bird, Real Love: pretty good tunes. Didn't you realize, that
Paul was so impressed of Jeff Lynne's production skills, that he even got
him into producing some songs on his "Flaming Pie" album, which was
released in 1997 and is an underrated gem. A friend and me discussed the
two Threetles songs heavily. OK, the snare is loud, but listen to Stupidly
Happy! I'm sure that "Grow Old With Me" was the third "new" song, intended
for inclusion on Anthology 3, but it ended up on The Lennon Anthology - it
has strings arranged by George Martin!

I didn't put Jethro Tull on my "once great, now suck"-list, because they
don't belong there. i must admit I haven't listened to their latest
"j-tull.com" but its predecessor "Roots to Branches" from 1996 is one of
their all-time-greatest releases.

When will the new XTC-album be out? I hope they don't make us wait for
another 7 years. And I also hope, that there will be interesting stuff on
the box set!

The best pseudonym of the Dukes is E.I.E.I. Owen. I am glad to see, that
he is now speaking to us via www.guitargonauts.com

Best wishes from Austria to you all

Klaus Bergmaier

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:54:29 +0200
From: "Mark R. Strijbos" <mast@coss.nl>
Subject: Sample This
Message-ID: <200007251005.e6PA57928223@mail.coss.nl>

Dear Chalkers,

>    And where did Andy get those sounds for "River of Orchids" anyways?
>    Did he sample them off one of his old records? Buy them on a sample
>    disc? Unless he sat and recorded a string section and a bassoon
>    playing those exact riffs, he is no different from a rap producer
>    in that regard

guess what? that's exactly what they did: they all sat down in Abbey
Road Studios and recorded all them orchestral sounds and riffs using
real, live and smelly musicians.
Cor blimey, what'll they think of next, eh?

AFAIK the orchestral sounds on the home demo version are taken
from his EMU Proteus 2 sound module that has a large set of these
sampled sounds on board.

Speaking about Andy's gear: can anyone who has visited The Shed
please confirm that he also has a Roland Octapad II midi drum pad?
think i spotted it on a picture but would like to know for sure

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos @ The Little Lighthouse
http://come.to/xtc

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:26:13 EDT
From: Fycruse@aol.com
Subject: New Bands
Message-ID: <4e.8c2ccc7.26aee165@aol.com>

Has anyone heard "Papersnow"?  Andy Partridge and Chris Franz and Jerry
Harrison and Tina Weymouth and T. "Blast" Murray)  garagebands.com (a Jerry
Harrison startup) is a fine concept.  I liked "Vibrant Green".

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 05:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Al LaCarte <allacarte@yahoo.com>
Subject: Arsenio's Here
Message-ID: <20000725120319.25621.qmail@web1607.mail.yahoo.com>

All:

>Still he is listening to Twenties Jazz and
Renaissance music. How awfully
clever of him.<

I don't care if he "plays the new Madonna where she
rips a fart / and then stand around talkin' about why
it's art."

Andy is unique, and whatever he is doing, he is doing
it right.  From "Drums and Wires" to "Wasp Star" (some
may argue from "Science Friction"!) Xtc have always
delivered exceptional records.  I know of no other
artists in contemporary music that have ever had such
a consistent streak.

Al

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:34:06 -0500
From: "Richard" <rjpa1@home.com>
Subject: Miniscule mention
Message-ID: <001d01bff63d$014b1900$15ec1718@mckiny1.tx.home.com>

Currently reading "A Century of Pop" by Hugh Gregory (1998 a cappella
books)...

One of the later sections (two pages devoted to each "genre") covers "Brit
Pop" with a miniscule mention of the fab two and I quote...

"By the late 1980s and early 1990s, groups such as Blur, Radiohead, Pulp,
Manic Street Preachers and The Verve were beginning to show their colours.

With the upsurge of interest in guitar-led bands, A&R men from the major
labels started checking out small gigs in out of the way areas in the hope
that they might sign up the putative next Beatles.  For the melodic lyricism
of The Beatles, the quirky observation of the Kinks' Ray Davies, the
provocative attitude of Paul Weller, formerly of The Jam, and the anthemic
Folk Rock of XTC were the desirable traits everyone was looking for."

Beatles, Kinks, Weller... good company in the benchmark reference but if
they are that influential, I would have expected the author to give them a
sentence or two, at least.

Cheers,
Richard

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:26:01 -0400
From: "Martin, Alan" <Alan.Martin@ncxix.hcg.eds.com>
Subject: Rap it up (somebody will buy it)
Message-ID: <B812DC6BF121D411B3FE00508B0B94222E8B53@chowan.ncxix.hcg.eds.com>

Recently, several posts have been made concerning "Rap Music" and its
place in the musical universe.  I personally don't mind "Rap Music" if it
is executed in a way that is new or musically different, But this is where
"Rap" often falls short.  The main problem I have with "Rap" is it's lack
of creativity in the mainstream.  I can hear the flame-throwers firing up.
But consider the following:

Image & Style: It's the same old thing over and over.  Several guys in
football or baseball team emblazoned jackets and caps jamming their face
into the camera.  The obligatory "hands slapping the chest" signature
move.  The same old throwing of the hand toward the camera to emphasize
some phrase or social ideal that has been stated a zillion times before.
The same old riding around in a nice car, late at night with sunglasses
on.  All this without a smile or a minute of "fun" as that would be
"uncool".  Half naked girls hanging off of them like mindless robots lost
in admiration for "their man". (actually, I don't mind the half naked
girls part near as much).  Try this: Catch one of the many "Rap" hour
shows on MTV and simply count the number of times you witness any/all of
the above take place.  It's the exact same thing over and over and over
just different faces.  It is all COMPLETELY UN-ORIGINAL.  They are all so
busy thinking they are "different" that they are all much the same.

Lyric & Melody: Lately, sampling does seem to be the trend.  Creativity
can come from the combination of what has come before granted.  But, isn't
real musical creativity when you get something completely new that
suggests a previous style or usage without having to blatantly re-record
it?  As for melody, very few "Rap songs" have a melody as such and if they
do, they are mundane at best.  Mostly, it consists of the subsets of
cleverly combined phrases set to repetitive rhythm... but, so does modern
Country music.  "We're two of a kind, working on a full house" is a damn
clever lyric, but does it say anything profound or original?  No.  The
idea that "Rap" lyrics say something important socially is a nice thought
in theory, but in practice, they usually make a point that has already
been made a thousand times before.  AND, NO it doesn't make ANYONE more
socially conscious just to point out that someone is being abused as a
race or gender or economic status or what have you.  That is important
yes, but original or creative?  No.  When was the last time you heard a
"Rap" lyric and thought, "Wow, I've never thought about *blah* in that
way" or "Man, that idea really moves me personally".  More often than not,
the lyric talks about "What" but not "Why" or offers a superficial
explanation at best.  Name one "Rap" lyric that has as much thoughtful
scope in a simple statement as "In this new Dark Age, We're all light".
Or the brilliant execution of the counterpoint of social degradation
vs. the simple beauty of love in "You and the Clouds".  I get more mental
and emotional stimulation out of the statement "Raising the living" in
"Church of Women" then I have ever gotten from any "Rap" lyric.

Go ahead, flame away.  I haven't stated anything that you couldn't find
proof for yourself given a little time and a sample of mainstream "Rap"
recordings.  But keep in mind I am referring to "Mainstream Rap" records
not "Rap" as a whole or idea.

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:44:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com>
Subject: Something I discovered today....
Message-ID: <20000725144444.22390.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com>

Boss is out of town at a meeting....

Lets see what I can find in the dark corners of the Chalkhills site....

 From the English Settlement Tourbook. Hmmmm...

A Q&A with the boys...

These are Andy' responses

Favourite modes of transport

Pushbike - when the roads are traffic free. Trains - I prefer steam
  trains but electric ones will  do at a pinch, it's just so
smoooooooth   on a train! Feet - I enjoy ambling, window shopping and
walking in snow (hope that bit didn't sound too Helen Shapiro)! Horses
- but no one will allow me near them.

Why I play the instrument I do

It started as a Tennis Racket in front of the mirror along with the
Monkees records. My father always had a cheap guitar hidden behind the
 sofa. Seemed like a great girl impressor at the  age of 14. Stole my
first electric from my youth club got quite good on it then I sneaked
in and put it back. It's an easy instrument if you're considering
learning.

Favourite T.V. programmes

Horizon, The Great War, Top of the Pops, Stingray, The Appleyards,
Doctor Who,  Documentaries in general, Open University, I Claudius and
Mickey the Martian.

Me and food (favourite)

Stinking curries. All vegetarian stuff. Nuts. Loads of rice. Home-made
bread. Sweet and Sour Sauce. Thin soups. I dislike violent coloured
vegetables. Soy Sauce. Pineapple. Unstinky cheese. I've just
rediscovered eggs. Hate snob food.

My house is . . .

Damp, rent free, has an empty room with just a record player in it, has
a real fire, thousands of books, is little, in bad disrepair, full of
love, a cat, a rabbit, loads of toys (mine),  occaisonally has mice, is
bright, not ideal but what the hell.

Historical figures I'd like to meet

John Lennon - 'Are you upset'? H.G. Wells - 'Where d'ya get your
ideas'? Christ - 'Who's your dad'? Hitler - 'So, what if you'd won'? An
ancient Briton - 'What's on your mind'? An inhabitant of Mu - 'You
shouldn't exist'!

What I'd be doing if I wasn't doing this (XTC)

Painting (living as an Artisan). Poster work. Cartoonist. Inventor.
Writing books. Staying in bed even more.

5 favourite places

Being in bed (at an odd angle). The town of Bath, England - nicest
place in the world. New York - most exciting, when you need grossness
New York can supply it all. Amsterdam -  friendly, cosy, bready, cakey
and chocky. The seaside - anywhere that has the basic ingredients,
i.e., rock, sand, chips, sea, beer, pier and guest houses.

5 best smells

Rain on dry concrete. Opening a packet of tea. Wood shavings. Sea air.
Bread baking.

What animal can I be compared to

A Chimpanzee (good fun, an all-round mammal that enjoys scratching and
has thick lips).

5 favourite sounding names

HOLLY - VOLTAIRE - VICTORIA - CASSIOPEIA - WILLIAM.

Favourite shop

A shop in Bath, a tiny place which sells old toys and toy soldiers
(which I can get passionate aboute). Sadly, they are too highly priced
as the owner sees them as money and not solid charm.

My time of the year

Has to be Christmas because I love the snow, wrapping presents,
decorating the tree, being warm, in fact all these corny things and
more.

Favourite "Square"

Possibly Frankie Howard, maybe Flanders and Swan.

Best magazines

All the sunday colour supplements, the Eagle, tasteful porn magazines,
Military Modelling  and catalogues.

In 1999 I will be

46 years old.

Hope you enjoyed this as much as I did... Check out chalkhills for
other gems of insight into XTC.

Cheers

themolefromtheministry

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:40:56 EDT
From: OMBEAN1@aol.com
Subject: boarded up
Message-ID: <73.5663b29.26af00f8@aol.com>

Goot eefning--
PST... it had to be PST, but there was a philly station that, in the
early 80's had a similar incident. I dunno, was it WCAU?

Well, anyways I guess the DJ went a little crazy and decided to play
"Valley Girl" for hours. I heard that he had locked the doors and sort
of barrackaded himself in so no one could get into the room to force
the record off. He ended up having to go on "vacation".
That DJ was Michael Tearson from WMMR. They had taken away his show called
"Guerilla Theatre" in which he played all the new punk & new wave songs. That
was his protest. He wasnt fired and in fact he later had a show called
"Import ,Export" in which he played the same music.
And now you know the rest............of the story. Gooood day?   Roger

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:50:45 -0400
From: "Walker, Keith (Imprimis)" <keith.walker-eds@eds.com>
Subject: Marked by the Culture and Bruised by the Seventies
Message-ID: <4803DF85761ED211AE9000A02461EBEE087519EA@USPLM202>

Hey, Deb'!  That song you're trying to remember is called "Playground in my
Mind" and is obviously the high-quality song to which Andy is obliquely
referring to on the opener to WS.  I'm not sure who did it, but the voice I
remember was chillingly close to the guy who "Run, Joey, Run" and "Young
Girl".  And, as long as we're on this thread, has anyone mentioned "Chevy
Van" by (I think) Jimmy Samms?  Granted, the song made for some great
post-adolescent fantasies, but, otherwise, I kinda' wish he'd driven that
van right off of a cliff. . . .

Keith "And oh, yeah, anything by Hoyt Axton" Walker

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com>
Subject: poopy music
Message-ID: <20000725152759.18298.qmail@web2103.mail.yahoo.com>

Re:
THE most wretched of all pop smears from that
decade..  it
goes something like this-
"my name is Michael(?), when we get married, we're
going to have a baby or two.. we're going to let them
visit their grandma, that's what we're going
to do.."  it may be a girl's name in place of Michael,
but Michael is
in
some of the verses..

Either way, what is the name of this evil song, and
why, oh why is it inside my head?
*------------------------------------

 this is the verse that gets stuck in my head:

"My name is Michael, I've got a nickel, I've got a
nickel shiny and new, I'm gonna guy me a lot of candy,
that's what I'm gonna do"

The name of that horrid little turd of a song is
'Playground in my Mind'.
I can't remember the name of the guy who did it, but
he resurfaced years later as the the sidekick/co-host
on Joan River's short-lived mid '80's talk show. I
only know this because I was watching it once when
they alluded to this song and showed an old photo of
the guy.
As to why it's inside your head, I can only surmise
that you are being punished for something.
And now you've punished me by making me think of it.

thanks a lot,

Tyler

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:06:30 +0800
From: "Simon Deane/Gina Chong" <ginsim@netvigator.com>
Subject: Dambusters
Message-ID: <002401bff652$4e57eec0$7a51fea9@ginsim.netvigator.com>

Martin Clinton said that the first record he owned was "Great War Movie
Themes". My God! Me too! (I particularly wanted it for Lawrence of Arabia
and The Great Escape - the only "clunker" on it from memory was Is Paris
Burning?) Is this something that any other subscribers to this list have in
common - I mean, can anyone else trace their XTC obsession back to Geoff
Love's mastery of film music? If you're looking for something suitable to
complement that Kevin Gilbert album you've decided to buy on recommendations
from other subscribers, you couldn't do much worse than Big War Movie
Themes!
One point I forgot to mention in my recent post is that in my considered
opinion the guitar solo on Church of Women is "magisterial" i.e. farking
excellent, and do I detect any influence from that equally acceptable solo
on That Wave? Probably not.
CDs for that Desert Island:
Sketches of Spain/Miles Davis
Apple Venus(vols.1+2)/XTC
Thud/Kevin Gilbert
Violin Sonatas/Bach
The Indestructible Beat of Soweto (vols. 1+2)/Various
Thanks.
Simon Deane

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:02:53 +0200
From: "Giovanni Giusti" <g.giusti@tvfiles.com>
Subject: New XTC friends, a missed opportunity, collectionism
Message-ID: <a80de5c2.e5c2a80d@tvfiles.com>

Hello Folx, it's me again.

I've been unable to read for a while, mainly because my copy of WS was
lost in the dreadful Italian mail system, and I couldn't sit here
reading raving reviews without knowing what all of you were talking
about.

So, WS rocks! Beats AV1 100 to 1. End of issue for me.

1) New XTC friends

Lately, I keep meeting people who surprisingly reveal themselves as XTC
fans. Is that a sign?

In about one week, I've met two (two!) people who, upon conversation
about music, revealed that they have *all* XTC records and love them!!

I mean, hey, I hardly met anyone in the past who *knew* XTC at all.

2) A sorely missed opportunity

A friend of mine works for the main Italian web portal. Some time ago,
some days after AP + CM were in Rome, Italy for their promotional tour,
I spoke to her and casually mentioned that. She said:

"Oh, yes, XTC, I met them the other day for a filmed interview, then we
went to lunch together - they're really fun people. Why, you're a fan?
You should have told me, I'd have brought you along!"

Imagine the length and volume of my "AAAAaargghhhhhh!!!!!"

Yesterday, by the way, one of the XTC friends I got to know (see above)
revealed himself as the author of that video interview, that you can
find on the Kataweb music site (this is probably old news, however).

3) Collectionism

Having gotten a raise recently, I have decided to indulge in my vice and
become a (non-rabid) collector of XTC 7" singles. So, if you have any to
sell, let me know at <giovanni@delizia.com>.

Kiss her kiss her,

Giovanni

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:20:31 EDT
From: "Kevin Diamond" <kev_boy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Life will be fine if we both 69...
Message-ID: <LAW-F214kidcDjoYAPN0000053c@hotmail.com>

Jim - I agree completely with everything you said in your post. You put it
brilliantly. Bravo. I don't own any rap, and I never bought any for the
very reason that you just argued against. But a couple of weeks ago, I saw
an episode of Turn Ben Stein On where he interviewed Chuck D, and I
realized that the Rap movement was, at least at first, a very valid and
interesting movement. And, like all music, there are rap performers who
are crap, and that's usually what we tend to see. But I usually tend to
see Pop performers that are crap, and that hasn't detered me to find some
great pop/indie/rock music in the ninties. So basically, what I'm trying
to say is : "word"

Dave writes:

>I've read a lot recently in the press and music press about the album 69
>Love Songs by Magnetic Fields (songs written by Stephin Merritt).  Everyone
>seems to rave about it and say how well written the songs are.  I'm very
>curious, but nobody that I know has even heard of him let alone bought the
>album.  Has anyone on the list heard it or got it and if so, would they
>recommend it or is it over-rated?  You can get it for about |14 on Jungle
>but tho' that's good for a tri-loe alnbum, I don't know whether to risk
>buyibg it blind.

I bought it as my first Stephen Merrit purchase, and I most say, it's got
some great songs on it, but it does seem a tad long. I mean, obviously, he
wrote some of the songs simply so that the collection would add up to 69
songs. I'd like to see an alternative release wherein he chooses the songs
off it that are his favorites and fits them onto one disc, and see how that
turns out. But personally, I've been enjoying the Future Bible Heroes album
Memories of Love a lot more then I did 69 Love Songs.

Kevin "Let's pretend we're bunny rabbits" Diamond
www.mp3.com/bass-cleff
www.mp3.com/frenchelectric

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:48:26 +0100
From: "chris browning" <chris@boodle.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: through the hill etc
Message-ID: <000201bff666$5bcb2400$2007883e@pbncomputer>

hello you

just a quick question - today in local record emporium i saw the andy/harold
budd "through the hill" album on limited edition vinyl (i think it was a run
of 1500 but i *could* be wrong) for only a fiver - is it worth it? if any of
you in chalkhills land would like me to get it for you, please drop me a
line and i shall see what i can do...

cheers

crispy

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:45:06 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Subject: Re: Arrogance is Bliss
Message-ID: <20000725183929.F0570A6CEF@mail.knoware.nl>

Dear Chalkers,

> quoted as saying that he doesnt listen to anyone else's music
> anymore. Dont know if it is true but if it is then im afraid it's the
> most arrogant, ignorant and pompous thing to say. What do you others
> think? <<

> Didn't read it, but suspect it's got less to do with being pompous and
> more to do with the fact that when music is a profession, you feel a
> lot less like listening to it as a hobby.

yes, i see that a lot too but i also think that A. isn't being exacly
100% honest. maybe he doesn't want to be dragged into
comparisons or a slagging match? but sometimes he does let on
and say stuff like "somebody recently introduced me to of".
from what i've gathered, he doesn't listen to a lot of *contemporary*
music but likes medieval song and 1920's syncopated jazz instead

And let's not forget that a written interview is at best no more than a
sketchy heavily condensed version of a one-way conversation.

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse  www.come.to/xtc

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Date: 25 Jul 00 14:35:54 CDT
From: C C Baxter <cutterccbaxter@netscape.net>
Subject: Too Many Todd's In The Kitchen
Message-ID: <20000725193554.26275.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net>

Todd aka Todd,

I was trying to use irrational reasoning to defend Todd, and you had to
bring up up his music.  Is that a very Todd thing to do?

I enjoyed reading your argument mainly because I agree with what you
stated.  Besides you Todd-upped me with your Ohio Todd heritage.  However,
I think Todd's batting average should be raised a wee bit.

Todd

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:33:08 GMT
From: "Ralph Simpson DeMarco" <sawpit@hotmail.com>
Subject: grumpy old man
Message-ID: <LAW-F41Y3J7ck8RTfOw0000767a@hotmail.com>

Dear Affiliated Members:

OK. Grumpy old man of 34 admits that I have been guilty of gross
generalizations regarding post-gen x ers..

Megan Heller commented :
>nothing against 20-somethings...  what have they got?  the slacker stuff?
>grunge?  nirvana, etc.?  "rave" culture?  techno and dance culture remains
>to be interesting ...they're all so seemingly well-adjusted to all genres
>and attitudes available to them...

Nirvana is not a twenty-something band anymore, because Kurt Cobain was born
in 1967. Kurt and others around my age are the so-called gen x ers. Grunge
was a reaction to the eighties pop music being forced on us through MTV and
commercial radio. Guitar bands like Dire Straits, and Van Halen (just
examples) were suddenly using keyboard synthesizers as thier primary sound.
New Wave had started out as an exciting force in music, only to become a
parody of itself. Grunge was a reaction against this sound. A return to
post-punk roots. That's when slam-dancing became popular: what could be more
of a reaction to robotic eighties dancing than the chaos of that?

We loved DJ culture back then. Moby used to spin at a club I went to and he
would play anything to get people to dance. One one night you could see a
cool band, and the next, you could dance your feet off. We liked it all. I
don't know if it's still the same because when I hear a DJ now, they all
play a certain type of music - they don't mix up decades and styles like I
used to hear all the time.

Regarding Rap

Jim Allen wrote:
<Or what about "I'd Like That"?  As far as I'm concerned, Andy sampled Paul
McCartney on that one or at least channeled him, ala Shirley Mclaine.  It's
an easy thing to do---"Hmmmm, I wanna write a song like Andy.  Let's see,
some arpeggio's, a few diminished chords here and there, a syncopated
rhythm, key change to middle 8 etc."  No different to me.  People have been
stealing like professional safe crackers in rock music for 45 years, why the
outcry about rap?

Jim, if it's so easy to write a great pop song, why do I hear so many bad
ones? How could you think that writing a song like XTC is the same as
sampling James Brown, embellishing it, and then taking credit for writing a
song. Song writing (and art that stands the test of time) is usually the
result of natural talent at hard work. If it comes too easy, it's probably
not very good. The outcry about rap is that it blurs the lines between
'influence' and 'stealing'. In the beginning, I remember, the rapper was a
DJ. He had to earn his stripes scratchin' and groovin'. It was about dancing
and expressing yourself! It was never about song writing. Rap was about
freely expressing yourself on the street or at parties. It wasn't until the
record industry realized it could sell records (hello, remember money?) that
it created nothing out of something that already existed (see Walk This Way
by Run DMC). Yes, I realize that the British Invasion did the same thing,
but they actually were more true to the roots of rock that American kids.
Once the Beatles and the Stones, for example, started writing their own
songs, they developed their own style of songwriting (Stones being a bit
more obvious r&b).

I want bands that write songs! I'm sorry, but your ambient, trip-hop, or
whatever you call it, has its place, but you cannot tell me that even
writing a good, simple children's song is easy, because being a song writer
myself for almost twenty years, I can tell you that it's not. Perhaps you
think, because some singer-songwriters makes it sound easy, you think that
the process in getting there was easy. Big mistake.

PS
Good example of funky bands that are really good - Spearhead. Check out the
CD "Home". Grooves up the yin-yang, actuall instrument playing, great
lyrics/raps/melodies.

Ralph

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