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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 191

                   Monday, 17 July 2000


       Re: Bands That Were Once Great But Now Suck
                       She's a he?
                    b-sides the lyrics
                      caveat watcher
                       Know Nothing
                  Island/Casey Kasem/U2
                     up, up, and away
                    Clearing up doubt
                 any cyclists out there?
  Hey Joe! Where Yuh Goin' with that BASS in your hand?
                   Re: Wurst band ever
                Various Shite (not my own)
      space is the place and hunting down xtc vinyl
                 Breakfast at Partridge's
Giving off Bad Vibrations, producing less than expectations
            For Beach Boys fans everywhere...
                  Rumblings & Ramblings
          No anal probes, please, we're British!


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Way out there in space, think we'll find that alien race, needs the loving.


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:52:18 -0700
From: "Russ Reynolds" <>
Subject: Re: Bands That Were Once Great But Now Suck
Message-ID: <>

> << How about a new list:  Bands That Were Once Great But Now Suck
>  Obvious choice - The Beach Boys. >>

Anyone remember how great Chicago was at first?  Concidentally their
downward plunge began after their association with the Beach Boys.



Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:44:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brown <>
Subject: She's a he?
Message-ID: <>

Was Bambi a male or female?  I seem to have forgotten... must be the
THC legacy.

Debora Brown


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:04:20 +1200
From: "Simon Curtiss" <>
Subject: b-sides the lyrics
Message-ID: <00ef01bfef4f$84892ae0$2d64a8c0@emigre>

>HINT - if any of you have a decent size 7" singles collection, check
>out the b-sides - especially from the 70s and 80s (before it became
>customary to put the "remix" - i.e., the SAME F*CKING SONG on the
>b-side). You'll find some real gems - obviously you'll also find some
>real crap, but that actually adds to the fun!

Oh yes, the b-sides to Brass in Pocket by the Pretenders - two silly,
badly played instrumentals - yet somehow wonderful, or the b-sides to
Furniture Music by Bill Nelson's Red Noise - probably my favourite
songs by that band - still unavailable on CD though. Gotta be many
more, I may have to go and pull my singles box out of the cupboard.

>New idea for signing off - Lyric contest : name the song (not XTC - that
>would be too easy - wouldn't it?) :
>"I've got six things on my mind you're no longer one of them
>Desire as a sylph figured creature who changes her mind ?"
>TMB Over and Out

Didn't see an answer yet, so I'll reply:

Prefab Sprout - Desire As, and I'd like to point out that I'm a swot and
would have got it from the first line alone.

Oh Smudgeboy got it already - ah well. the new answer is of course REM -




Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:16:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: pancho artecona <>
Subject: caveat watcher
Message-ID: <>

this in case anyone wants to learn from my mistakes.

Last night I watched Mommie Dearest in its entirety
(I'd seen it befor but prior to my knowledge of Erica
Wexler) so i could get a glimse of Andey's beloved,
Erica Wexler. Well, if anyone is as stupid as me for
doing that, don't waste your time. Her only scene is
as a soap opera actress who is seen (side shot, about
8 feet away) inside a TV screen in the movie. I must
admit I was hoping her part at least included a head
shot but no such thing.
Not that its a terrible movie but definitely not worth
watching twice IMO.
I remain unable to identify Ms Wexler in a police

Pancho 'el voyeur' XPRXTCFAN


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:02:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Getter Slack <>
Subject: Know Nothing
Message-ID: <>

Spaketh Mr. Relph in reply to:

>> To be stupid is to know nothing, which is not a good thing. But
>> wait a minute, it's helping me be happy because ignorance is often
>> bliss, so no, nothing's *not* wrong.

> I thought to be ignorant was to know nothing.  To be stupid is
> far worse.

Not if your stupidly happy!  Ignorance can also refer to a lack
of intelligence (at least that's Webster's opinion), so they're
both in the same general vicinity in regards to the ability to
distinguish shit from shinola. But only us true nerds would carry
out an intellectual discussion regarding the finer points of stupidity.


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:30:05 -0400
From: Adam Tyner <>
Subject: Island/Casey Kasem/U2
Message-ID: <>

At 08:56 AM 7/16/00 -0700, <> wrote:

>I was under the impression that it was Island Records that was
>responsible for that.  And that SST bowed to Island's legal prowess.
>It was also my impression that Casey Kasem was remarkably silent in
>the matter.  Am I wrong?

Island was the primary reason that the U2 single was pulled, but Casey
Kasem is the primary reason it's still not out now.

Negativland said in an interview -- "The thing that was interesting about
Casey was that Casey in public was questioned about our single and he said,
"Well, I don't like what they did, it's embarassing to me, but I'm for free
speech...I'm against censorship, I'm for the First Amendment, and I think
people should be able to do what they want," and then privately he said:
No, I'll sue your ass if you try to put it out.""

According to the "Fair Use" book, Island Records and affiliates finally
agreed to give permission for the re-release of the U2 single, provided
that Casey Kasem give permission, but Kasem absolutely refuses to do so.



Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:51:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brown <>
Subject: up, up, and away
Message-ID: <>

Which 5 cds would I take on my alien field trip?

1. Time Out- Dave Brubeck Quartet
2. Together Alone- Crowded House
3. an XTC album.. which one? I'd say English Settlement.. on Tuesday
I'd choose AV1, etc.
4. same goes for a Beatle album.. damn it, Kurt.. let's see.. Sgt. Pepper's,
perhaps.. Abbey Road? no.. o.k... Revolver, because it was one of my first
music purchases-
5. Cher's greatest hits

Eventually I'd get tired of hearing the first 4 albums.. and that's where #5
comes in.. just a few minutes of Cher would renew my love for the other 4

Debora Brown

"Man is the only animal that blushes.  Or needs to." -Mark Twain


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:50:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jon Rosenberger <>
Subject: Clearing up doubt
Message-ID: <>

Radios in Motion Opined..
>From: Radios In Motion <>
>Subject: Re: marriage? & yet more "WS" reviews
>Ummm, I may be wrong, but I thought the lyrics were "If the POP wont hold
>our love..."

No doubt about it RIM, you are wrong. It is "Pot".



Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:36:16 -0500
From: "William Sherlock" <>
Subject: any cyclists out there?
Message-ID: <>

Greetings all,
	I must say that the release of the new album has every one in high
spirits. I haven't laughed so much when reading digests since I subscribed
just a little over a year ago. It looks as though the tide is turning
against poor Molly.
	I noticed that in the list of XTC videos posted several issues ago
that "Mole from the Ministry" was missing. Although not strictly XTC, this
hilarious spoof of Magical Mystery Tour and Help should not be missed. It's
what the Beatles could have been doing if they had been smoking massive
quantities of maryjane. Wait...
	In just a short week I will be embarking on perhaps one of the
craziest trips of my life, bicycling across Iowa in the last week of July,
to wit, RAGBRAI. Are there any other Chalkvillians out there senseless
enough to make this trip, and more importantly can we get together. If
there is enough response I will try to organize something at one of the
overnights.  I'll be the one with the Uffington Horse painted on my
helmet. Respond off list if you are interested. (
	My six year old (in two weeks) daughter is a huge fan of "The Wheel
and the Maypole"!!!!

Hoping to hear from you, Bill

"I should be in bed, I need my 11 hours. I'm a real sleep addict. I started
off just napping. Then I got into the harder stuff...siestas. Before I knew
what was happening I was a sleep junkie."    Andy Partridge, Melody Maker,


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: Negativkaseyfuckinkasemland
Message-ID: <>

>Play safe-it wasn't that long ago that Casey Kasem
>fucked over Negativland...

I was under the impression that it was Island Records
that was responsible for that.  And that SST bowed to
Island's legal prowess.  It was also my impression
that Casey Kasem was remarkably silent in the matter.
Am I wrong?
This was a long, confusing, difficult mess. I think it
originated from Island Records, but Casey kasem did
step in with his nasty two cents worth once the ball
got rolling.

I believe it all ended with U2 giving permission for
Negativland to put the single back into print (U2 were
in the midle of their Zoo TV tour during this and
couldent be seen as anti-sampling when they themselves
were sampling video feed onstage).

Island Records begrudgingly gave permission as
well,(probably to get Negativland off their backs) as
did the music publishing company involved.

SST records worked out their legal mess with the band
as well.

The only person they needed to get clearances from was
Kasey Kasem (the piece is full of hillarious 'blue'
America's Top 40 outtakes). if he gave permission,
they could re-release the work and maybe pay off some
legal bills with it. This is where Casey Kasem was
remarkably silent. The ONLY thing holding back the
re-release of the U2 single is Kasem's signature.

If you are interested, you can dowhload MP3 files of
the two tracks from Negativland's website
Or, look for it on my trade list and set up a trade
with me:


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:14:01 CDT
From: "vee tube" <>
Subject: Hey Joe! Where Yuh Goin' with that BASS in your hand?
Message-ID: <>

    RE: "looks like I might have to drive muh'
   truck to Dalluz an' 'Pop-a-top ona Tall Boy
   can 'O' Whoop-Bass' on ya!"

    Gee,Joe. I know it's been hot but,DAMN!


    Git yer ass in the SHADE! CHILL OUT!


      XTC CONTENT: (unlike a certain MR.Funk)

    Fuzzy Warbles is being ripped to MP3 tonight.
         Upload to follow soon.



Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:05:16 +0100
From: "Pledge" <>
Subject: Re: Wurst band ever
Message-ID: <005201bfef82$b03c6c00$748101d5@PLEDGE>

Most Crappiest Band in the Annals of Western Music:

      The Thompson Twins

Surely Modern Romance were miles worse than The Thompson Twins? Or maybe
Wham! How George Michael went onto become a major star is beyond me. And no
this isn't a homophobic rant like the recent slagging Boy George and Culture
Club received on here a few days back. I just hated the music.


PS I quite like Depeche Mode.


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:35:50 CDT
From: "Paul Vicory" <>
Subject: (none)
Message-ID: <>

Mr. Kingston issued forth the following detritus:

>However, it's already been done.  Anyone
>remember the video for Between The Lines by Phil "Why haven't I done an
>album with Pete Cetera or Kenny G" Collins, from Face Value?  It had >Phil
>playing air versions of all the instruments.  Quite clever, really, >untill
>he realized he was quite clever and proceeded to stop being clever in >his
>earnest attempts to be clever.

Yes, Mr. Kingston, but how very clever *you* are. The video that you missed
is "I Missed Again," and there is no song from "Face Value" called "Between
The Lines;" perhaps you meant "Behind The Lines," Mr. Kingston? It would
seem, in fact, that *you* missed again, Mr. Kingston. Oh yes, and if you
ever manage to pull your head out, you might find the air a little less
stuffy. It's rather easy to dismiss a group or an artist as smarmy pop trash
if you haven't walked a mile in their platform shoes. Seeing as my love for
Genesis led me to XTCU4EA, I hardly consider publicly flogging Mr. C of the
past for his present-day Disneyisms to be just. Or humane treatment of a
wounded horse (albeit a short, pudgy, balding horse.)

Apologies In Advance,
Paul Vicory


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:24:42 EDT
Subject: Various Shite (not my own)
Message-ID: <>

Rip Van Ruben's:
(not a bad band name)

(Casey Kasem)
Ever hear the famous bit of Kasem freakin' out in the studio while the tape
was still rolling?  He completely wigs out, cusses out everyone within
earshot 'cause he has to do a death dedication right after an up-tempo
number, THE HORROR! If you haven't heard it you should poke around on some of
the WAV sites, it's not hard to find and it's hilarious to hear Shaggy cuss.
(he's good at it)

(Roger's Q?)
My Indian name is "two wipes"___not to be confused with "two sheds"

Tom, for saying (typing) "Standing In For Joe" for a Sanka commercial.

(The List)
Haven't noticed a mention of Andy's line__"I must be a closet faggot"__sure
the kids @ TVT were real happy 'bout that one Andy.  That outta help you sell
a few more discs.  Sure, you may completely eliminate the "faggot" market for
XTC releases, but think about how many skinheads and other anti-"faggot"
groups will be clamoring for future XTC releases!  Hmmmm, but most skinheads
base their freakishly skewed notions upon the text in the Bible don't they?
Three or four listens to Dear God (they
aint the sharpest knives in the drawer) may clue 'em in to the fact that Andy
isn't buying into the whole "God" thingy and then even they won't be buyin'
XTC.  Hmm, I guess they edited out the part where Andy said__"not that
there's anything wrong with that." (Folks outside the US may not get that
line, but I never much cared for any of you anyway so no harm done)

(Joe Hartley's dilemma)
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one Joe.  I still haven't heard Wasp
Star 'cause those bastards @ TVT didn't release it on 8-Track!  I emailed 'em
about it and they sent this message to me: "GET OFF YOUR ASS AND CATCH UP
WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD!" I've never been so upset.

(None of the above was written by Wes Hanks__it was all written by:)

wes"This Is Poop"LONG


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:40:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Reimer <>
Subject: space is the place and hunting down xtc vinyl
Message-ID: <>

> <Ok, here's the scenario. You're being abducted by
> kindly aliens from a
> galaxy far, far, away. You are told to bring 5 music
> CD's with you . What
> are they?>

1. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
2. Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
3. XTC - Drums and Wires
4. Verve - A Storm In Heaven
5. Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left

As for the person asking about XTC vinyl, there's a
store near me that has a TON!  But I live the
metroplex and it's in Arlington, and I don't know what
kind of mail-order system they have.  I can, however,
give you the phone # and you can inquire.  It's called
Forever Young records, and their number is (972)
206-2726.  But they have a lot of XTC vinyl.

That's all


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:04:15 -0500
Subject: Breakfast at Partridge's
Message-ID: <>

>From Debora Brown:

> A low point-  When my husband said, "Andy looks a bit like Truman Capote,
> doesn't he?"

Yes, but he DID murder Love in cold blood...

--rnv, another MPLS res


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:20:52 EDT
Subject: Giving off Bad Vibrations, producing less than expectations
Message-ID: <>

> How about a new list:  Bands That Were Once Great But Now Suck
>  Obvious choice - The Beach Boys.

I'd say Mike Love's Beach Boys vs. Brian Wilson's Beach Boys.

OK, I'm a little bored so I'll play--

Talented folks who have produced some very uninteresting music of late:
David Byrne
Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers (as a fan I've been very disappointed lately
although Wildflowers had its moments)
The Kinks-Still love them but To The Bone was too much of a mishmash. The
original British version with all the unplugged stuff must have been better
than the American version. This includes Dave Davies latest studio album
although the demos album was pretty good (but most of that material was over
a span of years). His Bottom Line live album recaptures the spirit of his
best stuff. Ray--well he's still trotting around the globe. Maybe those 25
demos will find a home soon in finished form.
The Rolling Stones-They've sucked for a long time. The last good Stones album
was 15 odd years ago. Keith's solo stuff had more life in them than any band
album has in quite some time.
The Church-Their last couple of studio albums all had their moments. Their
album of classic rock remakes is better than anything they've done since Gold
Afternoon Fix. Still, a band that may return to form.
U2-Achtung Baby was the last truly great album they've done.
Alex Chilton-A very hit and miss solo career.

On and on we could go where to stop?

Xtc content: This hasn't become a problem for Xtc in their long career. Even
their spotty albums have merit. Then again, I'd be biased.


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:42:16 EDT
Subject: For Beach Boys fans everywhere...
Message-ID: <>

FYI, for those of you interested in the Beach Boys--Sunflower/Surf's Up will
be re-released as a single CD. It's been remastered and an essay by Timothy
White. It's one of the BB's last, shining moments.



Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:41:26 -0500
From: "David" <>
Subject: Rumblings & Ramblings
Message-ID: <000501bfef98$824fd280$b22d1a3f@6914cqcqa015>

Seventh Grade says

1. Abducted by aliens? I take my UFO box set.
2. "Changes in Attitudes Changes in Latitudes" was my "Sgt. Pepper". Peter
Cetera was my "Private Benjamin"
3. Molly , will you be my spokesperson?
4. All contestants on "Big Brother" should be shot.
5. Without this wonderful XTC website, run by the wonderful John, I never
would have heard of the wonderful band "Supergrass", and downloaded their
music from the other  wonderful website, Napster. Thank You!
6. Tomorrow I will wear the Purple & Gold.
7. Ya damn right you won't go anywhere with a UNIX. Got those high screechy
voices, hardly any har; breedings out of the question. But boooyy, will they
complain. Bitch Bitch Bitch.

At 9:00pm it is 104 degrees. Tomorrow should be 105. I like those Texas

Senor Martin


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:29:02 PDT
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: No anal probes, please, we're British!
Message-ID: <>


First, an apology: Belinda - I didn't mean to ruin your day. I guess your
post just brought out the sarcastic bastard in me. I'm sorry.

Next: digression/clarification for the record: I LOVE 10cc (at least up to
the point where Godley & Creme left the band and took all the good ideas
with them). Art rock of the best sort - smart, incisive, brilliantly played
and produced, with nary an ounce of prog-rock flab around the midriff, even
after all these years.

I imagine spruiking this band to XTC fans is a classic case of taking coals
to Newcastle, but for younger viewers I'll gladly extoll the virtues of
"Sheet Music" "The Original Soundtrack" and "How Dare You", all classic
albums (not to mention those brilliant Hipgnosis covers).

I equally adore Godley & Creme, whose triple-album magnum opus
"Consequences" is one of my most prized possessions. All their 70's/80s
albums - "L", "Freeze Frame" and "Ism-Ism" (aka "Snack Attack") are full of
fantastic, brilliant, witty, bizarre and dare I say ... quirky ...  stuff,
which (with all due respect to the massive pop smarts of Messrs Stewart &
Gouldman) leaves the post-split 10cc output in the shade IMO. All are highly
recommended -- if you can find them. "L" is probably the rarest, having
never been released on CD;  Consequences is a close second - I believe there
was a limited edition German CD version, now out of print, for which I would
happily sell all my family members. (not much of a trade, is it?)

[G&C of course also made a name as video makers (Frankie's "Two Tribes",
Police's "Every Breath You Take" etc). I'd vote [1] for any video
collaboration between them and XTC .. t'is a consummation devoutly to be
wished ... though I presume they might be a bit pricey for our lads'

* * *

A novel twist on the "Desert Island Discs" idea. As long as they don't want
to give me an anal probe, I'm all for it. (Well, not on the first date,
anyway). I'm assuming that we're not limited to rock music? No? OK. And we
can only take 5 single CDs? OK then, here goes ...

1. Mozart - Piano Concerto #20/#21 - Stephen Lubin/John Eliot
Gardiner/English Baroque Soloists
If this doesn't convince alien races that we have done *something*  useful
with ourselves in the last 2 million years, nothing will.

2. Thelonious Monk - Thelonious Monk Plays Duke Ellington
I think it was Dizzy Gillespie who said that people kept asking him when the
new Bach or Beeethoven would appear. His answer was that they already had,
and that they were Monk and Bird -- just that nobody had  realised it yet.

3. The Beatles - Revolver
'Nuff said

4. Louis & Bebe Barron - "Forbidden Planet" Soundtrack
Hey, I'm going on an interstellar voyage, OK?

5. XTC - English Settlement
A predictable choice, but guaranteed to appeal to every species in the

* * *

- Yes
- Genesis
- Jefferson Starship
- Crosby Still Nash & Young

Local content requirement:
- The Whitlams
- Midnight Oil

* * *

MinerWerks/Al LaCarte: as I understand it, Jeff Lynne was brought in as a
compromise. Apparently George Harrison felt that George Martin would tend to
side with Macca, which is probably a fair cop, and that as usual George's
input would be sidelined unless they had a producer favourable to him --
i.e. Jeff Lynne -- who was also acceptable to the other two. Given that
Lynne has spent his life wanting to be The Beatles, I imagine he spent most
of the sessions wearing Inconti-pants. I thought the singles were quite OK,
for what they were (i.e. unnecessary). Jeff is an excellent producer,
whatever his merits as a musician. (Sorry but I despise ELO).

* * *


Ellen McIlwaine: Scarily talented, she is one of THE great voices of our
generation, a fearsome slide guitarist, a formidable songwriter and a damn
good pianist too. Born in Nashville, she now lives in Canada. Her 70s albums
"We The People", "Honky Tonk Angels" "The Real Ellen McIlwaine and
"Everybody Needs It" are a motherlode of ripping originals and brilliant
covers -- she idolises Hendrix, with whom she played briefly, and Jack
Bruce. She also does perhaps the best cover of "Higher Ground" ever.

* * *

Whoever suggested the air-guitar idea for the "Stupidly Happy" video -
10/10!! I hope they do it. I think it would be brilliant. Don't worry about
the Whitlams song. It was crap. Nobody outside Australia will ever see it

* * *

Tom McNichol - what is "Sanka"?

* * *

Cheers then!


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