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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 190

                   Sunday, 16 July 2000


                       Re: Ammonite
                       Re: abducted
              Catching up to catching on too
             re: Jen TRYNIN and a NEW thread
              Oh my God! They killed Kenny!
                Re: A Tale Of Twin Cities
                     Andy on The List
               Okay, maybe I will go there.
          Pop Perfection in Wall Street Journal
               The List and That '70s Show
                       Re: Abducted
                Re: Going to Montana Soon
                     Meeting Of Minds
     the chairman, american media culture and partsy
                     Maintain, dude!
                    Abducted by aliens


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All this squabbling I've hated.


Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:25:31 -0400
From: Harry Strole <>
Subject: Hmmm
Message-ID: <>

> And if you're
> worried about your computer crashing well then you
> should think about getting a new computer with more
> memory.

Isn't this from the person who complained about buying multiple copies
of CDs because there are some people on the list who can't afford it or
something like that?  Apparently we all have thousands of dollars,
pounds, yen,etc. laying around, doing nothing.

Has anybody (Mitch) heard anymore about the possibility of XTC appearing
at that radio station in Washington and whether or not they broadcast
over the web?



Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:30:53 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Subject: Re: Ammonite
Message-ID: <>

Dear Chalkers,

Somebody remarked:

>  (wasn't going to bother  with FF as I have all the tracks)

Lots of folk probably feel the same BUT most (the pre-Skylarking
material?) of the tracks on Fossil Fuel have been re-remastered for
this CD, using a little more care and much better equipment.

As a result they sound incredibly fresh and lively when you compare
them to the regular CD re-releases that were all mastered during the
80's, like f.i. The Compact XTC. Trust me: it's a world of difference
and will make you rediscover the early singles in particular.

And the ammonite-shaped edition is of course a "must have" for all
serious or budding XTC collectors. so if you see one at a fair price,
snap it up - you won't regret it.

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse


Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:51:34 EDT
Subject: Re: abducted
Message-ID: <>

sez the almighty Kurt:

<Ok, here's the scenario. You're being abducted by kindly aliens from a
galaxy far, far, away. You are told to bring 5 music CD's with you . What
are they?>

Well, for one, I would probably already dead from a heart attack if aliens
abducted me and suggested that I bring along some tunes....but their advanced
technology would grow my clone in a glass tube and ask it when it had
matured, so here's what my double would most likely suggest:

1. Since I'll probably be blindfolded and pushed off a cliff by the
Chalkhills collective if I don't add XTC, Mummer
2. Robyn Hitchcock and The Egyptians, Fegmania
3. Talking Heads, Fear of Music
4. Madness, One Step Beyond
5. XTC again, English Settlement

and does anyone here know where I can find XTC vinyl (old and new) anywhere
on the midatlantic coast??? I live in Delaware (stop laughing) and so far
haven't been able to find any within a 400 mile radius...any help would be
greatly appreciated (I'm talking to you Annamarie, you're close to where I
am. But I won't tell anyone).

Sarah Desborough, the womble basher from Walthamstow


Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:41:18 EDT
Subject: Catching up to catching on too
Message-ID: <>

To All...
     Saturday afternoon; a time to catch up on all the posts.
I don't know if the latest amount of posts to Chalkhills is normal, but it
seems to be a healthy stack. It took me the better part of 2 hours to finish
reading. In the future I will certainly know better than to wait a week to
read posts.
      ..And now, the odd thoughts continue...
     Here and now I would like to congratulate all that have brought their
list of band names to light. It's refreshing to hear someone else's ideas on
this particular item. No list from me today, although I have one as well. The
one band name from our merry little posts that should receive the "Milk Shot
Out My Nose" award would have to be - "Joe Funk Yourself". Joe Funk will be
getting the requisite "It's not my fault, it's my name!" Award.
       In and around the Fort Wayne, Indiana area there is a high school
radio station. They play a constant rotation of at least 4 or 5 XTC songs. I
don't live there, but rather have occasion to visit on mondays and
wednesdays. If you are interested in checking them out, they are on the web
at  So far, I have heard Greenman, I'm the Man Who Murdered..,
Sense Working Overtime, and I believe a couple from Skylarking/Oranges &
Lemons era. It's not a great radio station. Consider the alternatives in that
area and you'd be hard pressed to listen to anything else.
       On a similar note: While in Fort Wayne a couple of weeks ago I
happened to spot a music shop tucked into a strip mall. Once inside I found a
section in the back of the store of LP's. I found a still in wrapper, mint
condition vinyl of Oranges and Lemons! Hoop-De-Doo!!! Price- $2.99   Needless
to say I'm happier for it.
        I went to see "Me, Myself & Irene" a fortnight ago. Pure Shat! The
Farrelly Bros. have done nothing for me except to possibly make me move
uncomfortably around in my seat.
        Lastly.. On thursday night I spent some of my hard earned money on
something worthwhile, I  saw The Tragically Hip. They were in town for two
straight nights, at a local music venue. I strongly suggest the live show to
everyone. If you happen to have heard their music on the radio, which in the
States is a rarity, but have not "got it", then try seeing them live. I
guarantee it will be an great experience. Anyone looking for a little insight
to The Hip should go to the website - The new look is
fantastic. If you would like to hear my biased review of their show from July
13 in Grand Rapids Mi. then feel free to e-mail me. I would be happy to share
with you some info on this great band.
          In my CD player lately.. The Tragically Hip -"Music @ Work"
                                   XTC - "Wasp Star" & "The Big Express"
                                   Paul Weller - "Heliocentric"
                                   Supergrass - ( their latest release)
                                   Eleventh Dream Day - "El Moodio"

         *pant*pant* I've worked my digits into a frenzy~


Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:52:34 -0700
From: "John Keel" <>
Subject: re: Jen TRYNIN and a NEW thread
Message-ID: <009f01bfeec3$07a8ce40$>

HI kids,

First, I must second Robert Wood's assessment & opinion on Jen Trynin's
(proper spelling) "Gun Shy Trigger Happy".  This album is one of my
favorites of all time and I can play it for days on end.  Of course, many
of you know that Dave Gregory played on her first record, "Cockamamie",
but her second, and for now most current, is simply fabulous.

Now, how about this for a new XTC thread to follow Wes' "Most meaningful
track on each album" (how ya feelin' Wes)?

You're going to burn a CD-R of fav tracks, but you have to keep the
original track order of each song.  For example, for track 1, you would
have to choose from all the track 1's on each album, for track 2 all the
the track 2's, etc.  I haven't done this yet because I can't get past
choosing between "Respectable Street" & "Playground", but I'll work on it.
Greatest Hits/Complilations don't count; only official Virgin/TVT released
studio albums (and not their re-releases with bonus tracks either). You
don't have to pull a track from each album and you can stop at anytime as
long as your last track was the last track on a particular album
("Nonsuch" has 17 tracks - the most of any other album I believe so
"Bungalow" & "Books are Burning" would then have to be chosen if you went
that far).  Otherwise you can go with 15 tracks a la "English Settlement"
although the majority seem to have 14.  So, now that the lengthy details &
rules have been laid out - off you go!


p.s. - Now that I think of it, there's no rule that you have to make only
1 CD-R with the above contest, but let's limit it to one double CD-R (two
CD's in other words).  Just to make it a little easier.


Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:09:33 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Oh my God! They killed Kenny!
Message-ID: <l03130301b596d5eb16d6@[]>

>I'm still recovering from the Elo-ified renditions of
>"Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" erroneously
>attributed to "The Bealtes" and placed on the "The
>Anthology" collections.
>What next?  Bob Seger singing "Imagine" on a remixed
>record with Lennon?  Steve Miller trading licks with
>Hendrix on a "new and improved" "Voodoo Chile?"  Kenny
>G. releasing his "lame-ass, jive, pseudo   bluesy,
>out-of-tune, noodling, wimped out, fucked up playing
>all over" one of Louis Armstrong's tracks!!!!!!
>Play him some Journey.

  Well, Steve Miller co-wrote a couple of tracks on Paul McCartney's
Flaming Pie album(they weren't too bad, either), so we're already on our
way. As for Kenny G, don't say it too loud, or it might actually happen.
The horror! The horror! Calling him pseudo-bluesy would be too kind, even
George Benson's more bluesy than him.(hey- whatever happened to him,

Q: What did Kenny G say when he entered the elevator?
A: This place rocks!

Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at


Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:23:25 -0500
From: Josh Scott <>
Subject: Re: A Tale Of Twin Cities
Message-ID: <>

>P.S. Just out of curiousity, are there any other Twin Cities chalkhillers
>out there?

Here's another.  Good to see there are more XTC fans around
the area.



Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:03:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Molly Fanton <>
Subject: Andy on The List
Message-ID: <>

Well, now I don't know if I should watch The List with
Andy on it or not, because of what I've read.  As I
said before I saw part of it, and I fwanted to
strangle the host.  He's the most annoying person on
the face of the earth.
I wish I could lock some teenagers in a room, with
them all tied down to tables and forece them to listen
to XTC.  This really disgusts me.  Andy didn't deserve
what crap he got.  If I were at the taping I would
have been cheering for Andy and booing the bitch
(sorry) who yelled at him.
I'm in my twenties, and I think there people (who I
believe are mainly in their 20s) should be hung or tar
and feathered.  They seem very ignorant, and took the
show (what I saw) WAY too seriously.
I think Andy should win a prize, and I'll gladly
present him with it. :)


AIM Name: MFanton00
Fave Quote: "If your flight is going rough, your soul will lead you to
the nearest exit" - Jump - XTC (A. Partridge)


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:42:54 -0400
From: MinerWerks <>
Subject: Okay, maybe I will go there.
Message-ID: <a04310100b597761eea80@[]>

In digest #6-187, Molly wrote:

>Oh I love it when people say this.  So what you're
>basically saying is that if XTC released anymore stuff
>on TVT you wouldn't buy it.  Well, I think you're a
>sad, sad man.  Why don't you get a PC or Mac instead
>of using UNIX.  I never saw the meaning of UNIX.  Most
>programs don't use UNIX.  Why don't you get into the
>modern age, Joe and get a freaking PC or Mac.  You
>won't get anywhere with UNIX.
>I use a PC and right now I'm on my parents' Mac.  I
>haven't had any problems with the TVT site.  I think
>people who complain about not getting into the web
>site shouldn't have the right to complain, because
>they can easliy download Flash and the other required
>programs.  They don't cost anything.  And if you're
>worried about your computer crashing well then you
>should think about getting a new computer with more
>Molly, putting on her flame retardant suit

Okay, hopefully this is the last time I'm going to get into off-topic
computer issues...

I don't want to be too cruel to you, Molly, but I think you're way
off base. "You won't get anywhere with UNIX" is a very ignorant (in a
literal sense - ie "uninformed") viewpoint. I have a little UNIX
experience, since that's what my university used for managing their
student internet machines. I also know several programming and
developer types, two of which went on to work at Netscape. You might
be surprised to know that UNIX is the backbone of quite a lot of the
internet and its associated applications. And you might also be
surprised to know that once Apple transitions to their upcoming OS X
(ten), the Macintosh will nearly become a UNIX machine! Apple makes
no bones about this because UNIX is an amazingly stable platform and
their current OS is essentially an unstable hack of an interface that
was originally designed for the first Mac in 1984! I have read some
background on this new OS and I can't wait to get it on my machine.

And I'll conclude by saying the same thing I said to Brian: This
issue isn't about whether your computer can handle the content, it's
about the tenets of good design and good *communication*!!

= Derek =


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:47:38 -0500
From: "Jamie Lowe" <>
Subject: Pop Perfection in Wall Street Journal
Message-ID: <002601bfef2c$831bcd20$3496243f@unlpm>

Dear Chalkholders,

Thanks to Mr. Relph, a link now exists to the glowing review of WS in the
7/14/00 WSJ.



Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:44:26 +0100
From: "Laura Brown" <>
Subject: The List and That '70s Show
Message-ID: <010c01bfef34$58a66160$0e3f70c2@kenaud>

> From: "Larry Stevens" <>
> Subject: The List
> The only other panelists I recognized were the kids from That 70's Show.
> They're not that different from their characters, now are they?  I don't
> suppose they had a clue that XTC were releasing albums in the 70's?

To be fair,  most real American kids in the '70s probably didn't have a clue
that XTC were releasing albums. :-)

British VH1 doesn't show The List, which, from the sound of it, is probably
just as well. Mind you, That '70s Show isn't on any more over here, either.

> From: "Ralph Simpson DeMarco" <>
> It seems to me, that there is no hope for the younger generation.


> Once again, Andy Partridge is just too smart for the teenie-twenty
> somethings [...]

Oh dear -- I hope that doesn't mean my husband and I (aged 22 and 25,
respectively) confused our friends by choosing I'd Like That as our wedding

    Laura Brown


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:26:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Abducted
Message-ID: <>

> Ok, here's the scenario. You're being abducted by kindly aliens from a
>  galaxy far, far, away. You are told to bring 5 music CD's with you . What
>  are they?

Pet Sounds
Sell Out by the Who
Setting Sons - The Jam
and yes.........
English Settlement


Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:33:11 +0100
From: Robert Wood <>
Subject: Nowt
Message-ID: <01BFEE61.67567160@DI-BOSCO>

Brian asked...

>> > Oh how I laughed at Brian's defence of Flash plug ins, there's nowt like
> computer software to start a holy war.

"Nowt"? <<

Eye lad, it's a fine old northern English term that means nothing.

>> > I always skip past those silly flash intros and all that animated stuff,
> they just slow down access to the real info that I want. Once we all get
> broadband access then maybe they'll  be a little more acceptable to me.

Hmmm... Flash is supposed to be bandwidth friendly - more so than sites
loaded down with bitmaps. <<

Yeah, fair comment, but I still find that these flash things take so long
to download and (for *me*) they're just delaying me getting to what I
really want from a site. As I say, once I get ADSL <crosses fingers and
hopes BT hurries up and gets its act together> it will probably become
much more acceptable.


Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:39:50 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Re: Going to Montana Soon
Message-ID: <l03130302b596d8f1cc7b@[]>

>On a heavier note, I can't believe noone has listed the band Chicago as a
>worst of. They easily hold the record (pun?) as far as the quantity of
>releases, and with each new evolution, they progressively get worse.
>Quantity over quality, oui? They should have named themselves Wisconsin.
>(Insert Cheesey pun here, thank you.) I don't think anyone else's
>suggestion can hold any merit whatsoever when taking into consideration
>this smooth rock crap.I would rather get kicked in the stomach for a
>fortnight by Ringo Starr and a babbling Sir Paul than listen to a track
>off any of Chicago's fledgling albums. And that goes for Peter "Karate
>Kid" Cetera, too. Can I get an Amen?
>***In closing, I am very dissappointed that noone has traveled to Montana
>to come visit me. I thought that you Chalkhillers were a decent bunch,
>but I guess I was wrong. Thanks a lot.***
>Send your hate mail to,
>Joseph Easter

  I liked them for about six months when I was thirteen. They actually
could have been a pretty good rock and roll band with horns if they'd
kicked Peter Cetera out of the band the minute he showed up with one of his
syrupy love songs. Guitarist Terry Kath was a pretty good
Hendrix-influenced guitarist, and as long as he was fronting the band they
were far preferable to Blood Sweat and Tears. Unfortunately that was less
and less often with each successive album, and he died playing russian
roulette in his kitchen after Chicago 11 in the late 70's. He was never
adequately replaced, and subsequent releases went from uneven and
directionless to loaded with the sappy Peter Cetera ballads we all know and
hate. After Peter Cetera left they were listenable but faceless, might as
well have been Survivor or something.
  I'd say a better candidate for a worst of is anything that Peter Cetera
did solo. I hate that puke.
  Another worst of: anything by Dr Hook not written by Shel Silverstein.
Especially that guy with the crying voice who sings most of their hits.
Thank God they're probably doing the Vegas circuit and stopped having hits
in the 80's. I'm going to lay off Barry Manilow, though, he's too easy a
target; besides, he's done a couple of decent jump blues influenced things
that my wife made me listen to, and he's covered an Ian Hunter song, though
he turned it into an overproduced wedding cake.
  And, for a bonus, I'll give you a list of impossibly cheesy 70's one hit
wonders that are guaranteed to send you running screaming from your room.
1, Seasons In The Sun- Terry Jacks
2. Rocky- Austin Roberts
3. Run Joey Run- David Geddes
4. My Eyes Adored You- Frankie Valli
5. I Like Dreaming- Kenny Nolan
6. Loving You- Minnie Riperton
7. Csndy Man- Sammy Davis Jr
8. My Ding A Ling- Chuck Berry
9. Afternoon Delight- Starland Vocal Band
10.One Tin Soldier- Coven

Had enough? Say uncle!

Christopher R. Coolidge

"A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has 10
GREAT laws.  A Good law protects me from you.  Laws against murder, theft,
assault and the like are good laws.  A Poor law attempts to protect me
from myself."  - Unknown


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:01:24 -0400
From: "Michael Versaci" <>
Subject: Meeting Of Minds
Message-ID: <000001bfef3f$18774130$f4081e26@mtwe50004>


Ralph Simpson DeMarco, unabashedly showed his age with the following

>It seems to me, that there is no hope for the younger generation.

Lighten up, Ralphie Boy!  Imagine if "The List" was in production in 1975,
hosted by Donny Osmond, with guests David Cassidy, Susan Dey, Bobby
Sherman and Steve Allen?  What would have fans of Steve Allen thought?
Would you have been comfortable with the oldsters making judgments about
us based on the guests of that episode? This same "younger generation"
that you are so quick to dismiss is also capable of making films like
"Good Will Hunting" and "Chasing Amy."

"The List" is a television program designed to peddle superfluous products
to twenty-somethings with cash to burn.

The fact that actual artists were part of the mainstream culture in the
1960's and early 70's was an aberration.  What we have now is the norm.
Good music like XTC is available, but don't expect to find it on
commercial television.

It seems to me that as a result of that show, some new people will be
introduced to XTC's wonderful music.  It is possible that members of the
audience, and even some of the guests may become fans.  Imagine how they
will feel when it dawns on them that they were so close to the genius
behind that music, and were not aware of that fact until it was too late.

Michael Versaci

>They think that in five, ten years we are still gonna hear Vida Loca?

Um, YES. Sorry.


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:40:05 -0700
From: alec <>
Subject: the chairman, american media culture and partsy
Message-ID: <>

i didn't see andy on "the list" but i was also afraid to.  how could it
possibly work?  he's got such a mouth and such a tragic potential to not
click over here with the rank and file MP3 walkman set.  i think there
was a time when his educated, lennon-cum-mulligan brand of humorous
observation and wordy sarcasm would have worked with an american popster
audience but the times have changed.

he picked some very, VERY obvious choices for overplayed songs.
hmmm...maybe they're obvious only to someone my age.  and i hope he
learned that taking easy shots at those particular songs is a no-no over
here.  the days of "oranges and lemons" getting lots of praise in the
u.s. is now past: innovative, quirky english guys who have a way with
words aren't the deal right now.  the right window dressing needs to be

i guess andy hasn't been keeping up on the changing moods in u.s. pop
cultch.  andy:  frank sinatra started becoming a sacred cow again
sometime in the late '80s when the remaining stars of what was
considered the rat pack (dean, sammy, frank) reunited for a tour.  it's
been getting sicker and sicker since then in terms of the perpetual
blind praise everyone feels obligated to heap on the chairman and his
ilk.  (maybe it's the same in the uk and irleand, i don't know.  i did
actually see bono on mtv or vh-1 say something like, "it's frank's
planet and we're all just his guests."  this is a stupid sentiment no
matter where it's coming from.)

this is why i like the movie "swingers." it exposes the
twenty-somethings' cult of frank, in l.a. (west hollywood to be
specific) for what it is:  a (decontextualized) vehicle, a revival of
sorts, by which a bunch of horny male dorks can bond and attempt to get
laid.  sometimes that's a funny premise and sometimes it isn't.  it's
certainly not a new one but when the setting is late '90s la-la guys
trying to ape the martini set of the '40s-'50s, it is funny.  it's
because they seem to capture everything about their heros minus actual
understanding of what made their style great.  you add good dialogue,
plus people who can act and you get a funny movie.

had andy seen swingers he might have understood that now is not the time
to say ANYTHING against frank (if you're in the u.s. and are a part of
the pop cultch landscape).  people are taking it very seriously again,
just like the guys in the movie who think that long, hot motor trips to
las vegas will save their lives.

as for the "stairway to heaven thing," i don't get it...didn't anyone
there see "wayne's world"?  maybe they were too young.  was it that long
ago? what about the butthole surfers "hairway to steven?"  just the
title alone broadcasts loud and clear that some people know that song is

now that i'm thinking on it, i wonder if andy would do well in the
"politically incorrect" scene.


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:35:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brown <>
Subject: Maintain, dude!
Message-ID: <>

Re: standing in for joe easter (#189)-

Hey, doo-dah man.. you're outtasight!.. A truly wasted Happy Camper tale
(also known as Humboldt County Fables).

Randy of the Redwoods, indeed...

About that doe bottom bong happening.. you will be hearing from PETA
shortly.. nobody molests Bambi and gets away with it!

Debora Brown


Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:59:21 -0700
From: "Kurt Heinen" <>
Subject: Abducted by aliens
Message-ID: <000d01bfef4f$92af9aa0$54dd113f@GTEkurtisj>

I only had 15 minutes to ponder the choice of cd's before we departed. Of
course I had to possess the cd's. Should I go for the "classic's", or
something I hadn't listened to ad nauseam. 1. Allman Brothers- The Fillmore
Concerts. 2. XTC- English Settlement. 3. The Move- Message From The Country.
4. Beatles- Sgt. Pepper's. 5. Beethoven- Symphony-9. Some music you just
never get sick of !!!!!


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