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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 19

                 Friday, 28 January 2000

Today's Topics:

                     Uffington Horse
                  Re: Me, Myself & Irene
            Before somebody beats me to it...
               luna - the other satellite?
                 The Tangled Web We Weave
                   Re: White Horse Hill
                 Re: AOL not Andy On Line
           The Cleaners Are Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Officer, one was sorta tall and slight and the other was...
               Andy, Collin, Dave and Terry
       sgt pepper etc. the wierdness continues.....
           Wedding Songs & London Get Together
                God Save The Village Green
                     Can Julian Cope?
         Sgt. Moulding's Lonely Hearts Club Band
                       The Big Day
              Eastenders as good as Hamlet?


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:13:51 EST
Subject: Uffington Horse

Last Summer we took a week vacation in London.  One day we took the bullet
train (not sure it's officially a "bullet" but it had to be doing over 100
MPH) to Bath for the day.  Swindon was the stop before Bath on the train we
took & shortly before Swindon I was treated to a view of the Uffington
Horse.  It was a little far off, but exciting to see the real thing after
years of seeing it on the ES cover. Actually got it on camcorder to bring
back to show my friends.  I was very tempted to jump off in Swindon & spend
the day, but my wife and daughter had other ideas.  Anyway, while I was
excidedly getting video of the area surrounding the Swindon train station
(I think the pub that used to have the "wall of fame" on it was right by
the station), a girl asks me "why are you so excited about SWINDON?"
(disdain for the town pretty evident) I explained to her about XTC & she
says "Yeah, I think I remember...Plans for Nigel, right?...Wow, where are
THEY now???"

So much for our heroes being loved on their own turf!!!
Doug Mashkow
Long Island, NY


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:13:51 -0800
From: "Dane Pereslete" <>
Subject: Re: Me, Myself & Irene


Hey Mitch or!!!

Has there been any further news regarding the inclusion
of "I'd Like That" in the new Farrelly brothers (There's Some-
thing About Mary) movie starring Jim Carrey and Renee

The reason I'm concerned is because I've read that Rolling Stone
reports that Monsieurs Fagen and Becker (Steely Dan) have
been hired to score the movie and that it will include such artists
as Wilco, Brian Setzer, and Smash Mouth covering various SD

Can anyone out there in Chalkhillsland confirm or deny?




Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:28:38 EST
Subject: Before somebody beats me to it...

Yeah, yeah, I know....

Perhaps a clue to the state of Partridge's mind during the difficult period
of 1981-82 can be gleaned from the little-known yet seminal work, "Shaving
Brush Boogie," in which he parses his inner conflicts vis-a-vis his marriage
in a startlingly confessional lyric. The raw intensity of the song, shocking
in its conception, as searing in its way as a G.G. Allen performance, strips
away all traces of the elegant pastoral facade he would later erect around
his oeuvre, and exposes his very soul--both as an artist and as a man--for
the judgment of all.

Even at *this* early date, it is possible to discern the _leitmotiv_ of the
central conflict that will wrack Partridge as an artist for the rest of his
career: the Princess Margaret figure, so plainly a stand-in for an absent
Dark Lady waiting in the wings, gains ascendancy and dominion over his soul
even while a scene of unnerving passion unfolds in the flashback narrative
the central plot:

   I was laid out on the bed
   and my brand-new wife
   that's the one with the long curly hair,
   she said to me "Babe I'm going to give you a real experience
   with this here shaving brush"

The poignancy of the foregoing line is heightened to unbearable melancholy
when one pauses to consider that historico-biographical sources invariably
show Marianne Partridge's hair as bobbed rather short--and utterly without a
trace of a curl. Who, then, *is* the "brand-new wife"? A figment of
sadomasochistic fantasy? A universal virgin/whore figure, dredged up from
readings of Jung? An inverted stand-in for (dare we suggest it) Venus?

The song is rife with the language of violation and humiliation: the
ambulance driver (obviously meant to evoke Charon, the boatman of Hades)
comments sarcastically on the shaving-brush dilemma: "I didn't join the Red
Cross to take people like you to hospital!" [Note to American readers: In
keeping with Partridge's West Country upbringing, he employs here a
British expression, one that translates roughly to "take people like you to
*the* hospital." Earlier commentators have stumbled on this point.]

The nightmarish denouement in the hospital, a horrific scene of tongs and
involuntary invasive surgery, plays out with all the inevitability of
Greek drama, and we leave the song drained, purged, our psychosexual energy
depleted, as the Dervish Partridge rubs our noses in his pain and passion.
For who among us has not felt, with Partridge, the need to shriek helplessly
at the Princess Margaret hidden deep within our own souls:

"Open that fucking hospital, baby!"

Harrison "Well, shit, *somebody* had to do it" Sherwood


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:25:32 -0800 (PST)
From: little mermaid <>
Subject: luna - the other satellite?

I came across an interview with the band Luna and they
mentioned a woman by the name of Erica Wexler (in NYC)
and how she went by the stage name "Luna".

(scroll to the end of the interview)

Luna - Another Satellite ... could it be one and the
same?  Personally, I have never believed in



From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 01:12:05 +0100
Subject: The Tangled Web We Weave
Message-Id: <>

Dear Chalkers,

> I wonder if he (Andy) has seen the Guitargonauts site and what he
> thinks of that?

He _must_ have seen the recent article on Dave and his site in the
Swindon Advertizer. Now i wonder if that would have made him take
a peek. Or perhaps even a rethink about the Internet and what it
could do for a band like XTC.

IMHO the Net could be the perfect vehicle for _anything_ a brilliant
multi-talented mind like Andy could come up with. And it could also
be _the_ way to cut out the business middle men that turn music
into product. Now why doesn't he see that?

BTW... the esteemed David Oh said:

> I would have to say that Chips from the Chocolate Fireball is
> XTC's Sgt. Peppers

no way! Chips etc. is a compilation album of both their (vinyl)
albums so it doesn't qualify. Psonic Psunspot could be considered
their Sgt. Peppers i suppose, if only because 25 O'Clock sounds
more Revolvery to me (don't ask why)

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:31:14 +0000
From: Brian <>
Subject: Re: White Horse Hill


>As a local, could you perhaps fill me in on its significance?(the
Uffington Horse, BTW, for those who didn't >know, is the symbol on the
cover of English Settlement; it's etched in a hillside near Swindon)<

I like this concoction of a theory: it's to foretell the coming of one
of the finest collections of music that will ever come out of the region
sometime in the future - XTC's "English Settlement"!

Talk about a paradox... ;-)

-Brian Matthews


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:29:31 -1000
From: "Jim Smart" <>
Organization: ksbe
Subject: KinksTC

>how about
>a comparison between
>a kinks album and xtc?

One unique aspect of the Kinks is that every album has a theme or a
concept. Whether its the music business (Lola), freaks (Misfits), or
wistful nostalgia (Village Green Preservation Society), theres always a
theme that weaves its way through a good chunk of the songs, often in
unexpected ways that aren't immediately apparent. Every album is a
concept album.

Oranges and Lemons and Skylarking are the most like that in XTCs
catalog. Skylarking is all about cycles, beginnings and endings,
especially relating to what the recently unfairly slammed Paul Simon
called "the arc of a love affair".

O and L seems to go back and forth between leaders/politicos (note all
the mayors, kings, presidents and such) and the parent/childbirth stuff.
This is the most Kinks like album of them all, methinks.

 Strangely, I dont sense this in Nonsuch. Probably I'm being thick.
Anyone? Apple Venus One seems to be concerned mostly with earthy sexy
love nature stuff, but theres not a Kinks-like connection made there.

Jim "state of confusion" Smart


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:40:10 +0000
From: Brian <>
Subject: Re: AOL not Andy On Line


Wes Long wrote:

>Brian Matthews scribbled:<

What font you got your mail set to, fella? :-)

>>Explaining, or TRYING to explain to anyone else why you like something
may end up being futile, as it can never get past the subjectiveness of it

>Well said, but I still contend that what I like is good and the rest of
you have bad taste.<


>Oh, and the Beach Boys were a better band than Oingo Boingo.  But how were
you to know these things Brian, your Only A Lad.<

You're not fooling me.
You know enough about them to make that crack!

Good on yer!

-Brian Matthews


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:17:07 -0800 (PST)
From: travis schulz <>
Subject: The Cleaners Are Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi y'all!  I'm on the Martin Newell news list and
wanted to share some incredibly great news for Newell
fans.  Martin and the Cleaners From Venus are working
on a new album!  Should be out by autumn.  This word
from Paul (the mastermind of THE WILDMAN FROM WIVENHOE
which I strongly suggest you check out!) and also
confirmed by Joachim at Jarmusic in Germany.  Life is


Message-ID: <001201bf6933$12325400$26b59fce@default>
From: "Wes Hanks" <>
Subject: Officer, one was sorta tall and slight and the other was...
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:56:57 -0800

******No direct e-mail responses please I am writing from work!!!*****

No, no, no, no kitten, that's not how we play around these parts. Locals
only beach, dig? When you posit yer position or pose a question on ye olde
list, one must stand at the ready with the proper accoutrements at hand,
i.e, flame retardent suit and/or tube of lubricant and supply of birth
control devices, to prepare for the private responses from your fellow
travelers. </;-)

Wes "Harrison, its 68 degrees here." Hanks


Message-ID: <002401bf6933$4f955ae0$0200a8c0@digitalpc>
From: "Digitalmaster" <>
Subject: Andy, Collin, Dave and Terry
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:59:28 -0800

In regards to a message from Mark Strijbos:

That would be totally disappointing if Dave's stuff is removed.  I know Andy
is an asshole (or so I hear) but really, they should get back and start
working together (or are they secretly? Anyone here know?)  I know it was an
issue about Andy barely using Dave on the newer tracks, but they should
patch it up.  Everyone has a right to be an asshole sometimes, even I am

Andy just seems like a perfectionist and is probably someone who wants total
control of what XTC as a group does, and I can respect that.  To be honest,
I am the same way.  In politics, I am a total liberal, who believes everyone
gets a fair vote.  In music however, I know what sounds good, and what I
want to put on my album.  I am very controlling when recording music, or
doing business, its just the way I chose to be. So, they need to patch it

Here is my plea to Dave, Andy and Collin: Dave, go over to Andy's house and
kick him in the ass and make some damn music together.  Collin, is it me or
are you just the most relaxed man in England?  Andy, loosen up a little and
bring Dave back (while your at it, call up Terry!) and make some music, go
on tour and live happily ever after.  Your getting older, as am I, so don't
waist your time!

All that aside, I will still love them regardless, I just wish they were
back together.  Mostly because the combination was so great and they fit
together so well.  Well, that is my millennium wish (well, one of them!)

PS. Thanks for all the nice welcome messages.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:23:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: sgt pepper etc. the wierdness continues.....

Instead of taking a whole album, i.e. "Black Sea" or
"English Settlement"
why not take individual songs from their entire
catalog and match them in the same running order as
Sgt.P. in order to most closely match that album.

Not really motivated to do that,  but I have noticed
some eerie coincidences in xtc records:

1. if you play the section of the Dukes lp where the
girl talks about the puffin backwards, you hear a
voice saying "Dave is dead man, miss him, miss him".

2.  On the cover of blAck sea, Andy appears like he's
about to grab Dave around the midriff. Note his left
hand-it looks like it's moving. He'a about to perform
the Heimlich manoever on Dave

3.  On the cover of Oranges & Lemons, Daves guitar is
sort of spitting out these oranges and lemons just
like a choking person would spit up food.

4. The peacock feather on Apple Venus 1 dosent look
like a vaginal area so much as it does a uvula.

5.  The cover of Skylarking-the two figures are
blowing flutes-this is an obvious choking reference.

6.  the sound that opens Summer's Cauldron, when
played backewards, sounds like an ambulance.

What does this all mean? I believe, AND THE CLUES BEAR
IT OUT, that Dave didn't really quit the band. He died
in 1983 or so, by choking to death (probably on a
curry at his favorite Indian reataurant). He would
have lived, had the ambulance not been held up by a
train (see the cover of Big Express).Andy and Colin
covered this all up by hiring a double to take dave's
place. When it finally got too expensive to keep up
the charade (remember, they were out of work for a
long time), they cut him loose. However, they had been
placing these death clues in their records all along
for those who smoke way too much weed to find. Could
this really happen? ? ? Just ask "Paul McCartney".

How's that for an XTC/Beatles comparison? and all off
the top of my head!


Message-ID: <>
From: "jonathan monnickendam" <>
Subject: Wedding Songs & London Get Together
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 01:08:30 PST

Go for '10 feet tall', says it all.

You might also want to try the Zombies' 'Walking in the Sun' which has lines
like ' if only they knew the joy i share with you they'd be walking in the
sun'; blissful and beautiful track from the box set (Zombie Heaven) which i
play the most.

On Tuesday evening, 1st February, myself and David Cammish will meet for a
jar of two at the City Boot, near Moorgate station, London,  to talk things
xtc and otherwise. We shall be insatnly recognisable becuase we shall both
be wearing our Captn C~nt Outfits and singing 'Pink Thing' at full volume.
Or you could just e-mail me.



Message-ID: <000701bf6998$5067f940$e778aad2@johnboud>
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: God Save The Village Green
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:49:42 +0900

Steven Mahoney wrote :

>of course I think of the kinks when I think of xtc
>more than the fab four.

I was a huge Kinks fan from the early days until 1979 , and I would have to
say that I hear more Beatles in XTC's work .

>how about
>a comparison between
>a kinks album and xtc?

I will refrain from making comparisons . I * will * say that everybody on
this list ought to own the singles " Waterloo Sunset " and " Autumn Almanac
" ( available on various compilations ) , and the LP
" The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society " . TKATVGPS kinda
set the band up as guardians of all that was good about England . In the
aforementioned singles Ray Davies had celebrated the Englishness that he
loved so much , and this album served to consolidate the theme . I have read
that during the recording of this album Ray Davies " relaxed for a while and
everybody to have some input " ... I think it was this " combination of
ideas " and Ray's anglocentricity that helped to create this Kinks
masterwork .

Sushiman John


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:21:21 EST
Subject: Can Julian Cope?

<< As a local, could you perhaps fill me in on its significance?(the
Uffington Horse >>

Has anybody looked to see if Julian Cope mentions it in his book "Modern


Message-ID: <000501bf69ba$17113360$>
From: "Martin & Jamie Monkman" <>
Subject: Sgt. Moulding's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:03:27 -0800

Sky Larking posed the challenge (Chalkhills #6-18):

>Instead of taking a whole album, i.e. "Black Sea" or "English Settlement"
>why not take individual songs from their entire catalog and match them in
>the same running order as Sgt.P. in order to most closely match that album.

Here goes, with all Colin songs:

01. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
-- Life Begins at the Hop
A great show opener, back when there were shows to open.

02. With A Little Help From My Friends
-- Frivolous Tonight

03. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
-- Grass
(LSD or grass, take your pick)

04. Getting Better
-- The Good Things

05. Fixing A Hole
-- Fruit Nut

06. She's Leaving Home
-- Runaways
Although the parents in "She's Leaving Home" express similar sentiments as
those in "Making Plans for Nigel"; one has to wonder if Nigel won't be a
runaway, too.

07. Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite!
-- My Bird Performs
... he said, with a smirk.

08. Within You Without You
-- Deliver Us From the Elements

09. When I'm Sixty-Four
-- Bungalow

10. Lovely Rita
-- Love at First Sight
This was the most difficult; I considered "Ten Feet Tall" as well.

11. Good Morning Good Morning
-- Wake Up

12. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
-- Life Begins at the Hop (reprise)

13. A Day In The Life
-- Cynical Days with English Roundabout for the middle "Woke up, fell out of
bed" section


The Monkman homepage:


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:20:05 EST
Subject: The Big Day

Thank you for all of your best wishes concerning my marriage. Things went
very well! The ceremony was held outside by the ocean, while we honeymooned
on Catalina Island.

As for wedding music, we played both "I'd Like That" & "Love On A Farmboy's
Wages", and a gaggle of Brian Wilson tunes.

Glad to see mention of High Llamas & Stereolab. I have name-dropped them
before on Chalkhills

I feel that head Llama Sean O'Hagan's best songs are on "Hawaii". Never are
his Wilson tendencies as obvious as here. However he could have trimmed the
album down a bit.

Maybe the Llama's best realized work is "Cold & Bouncy". While not as
initially stunning as "Hawaii", it's much less meandering.

The line dividing the Stereolab sound & the High Llamas sound seems to be
evaporating judging by both bands latest releases. I would recommend either
one, though.

Too bad O'Hagan & Wilson never recorded anything together (they were real

Carson, Ca


Message-ID: <003f01bf69d6$b665b5a0$f4b101d5@default>
From: "David Seddon" <>
Subject: Eastenders as good as Hamlet?
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:28:17 -0000

Yet again, I find myself disagreeing with those who say that all music is
equally strong and that there is no such thing as one piece being better
than another.
To my mind, the true test is time.  There are other criteria, but this is
the truest!  If something is still popular after a number of years (I'm not
going to attempt to define the exact number) despite changing fashions, then
to me it clearly must have a quality that other pieces that fall by the
wayside do not.

If The Disco Duck is as good as Imagine, then presumably, the same people
who think so, think that the scripts of Eastenders are as good as
Shakespeare, or that Pam Ayers is as good as TS Eliot. They ought to believe
this to be consistent!  (I suspect that they do).  OK, so let's egg the
pudding further...
Is a piece of music my 7 month old son bashes out of the piano at random as
worthy as Andy Partridge's work?  Since you argue that all art is
subjective, you can't disagree if I say that it is.  If you do, why and
which criteria are you using to say so?  Is the art of a doodling monkey as
good as a Turner?  State your reasons.

Why are artists always trying to improve things on their next project?
Perhaps they are deluded that they can create a masterpiece.  Do they not
realise that there can be no such thing?  Their 10 minute attempt as a 5
year old child might be valued as much as a mature work they slaved over for
decades (think of Mozart, and his earliest compositons vs The Requiem).
All of the prizes, plaudits, national and international awards are rendered
pointless - and worse...nonsensical! (the fact that some of them - like the
grammies are - is no counter argument by the way, for the same reason that
no footaball manager would wish his team to win the League Cup as opposed to
the FA Cup).

It may be an uncool and unfashionable thing to say on this artistically
liberal list, but I think it's nonsense to say that there are no valid
grounds for judging the worth of a piece of art.  I may be in a minority
here, but it won't stop me arguing the point.  To agree with you leads me
down the road that says there is no such thing as genius and that if I want
a child to play music, he may as well learn from Meatloaf as Mozart.

I'm sorry gang, but I think you're on a slippery careful where
your liberal views lead you!!

P.S. Do you hold the same views about moral actions as you do about art?  In
other words is there any limit to the extent of your liberalism?
(note liberalism with a small 'l'...I would by no means attack Liberal

Reality leaves a lot to the imagination -J.Lennon


Message-Id: <>
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:13:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: HI!!!!

Hi My name is Gwen.  Im new to the list.  Not to Xtc
Ive been listening for approxmently 5 years.



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