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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 187

                  Saturday, 15 July 2000


                    Re: No Nothing Not
                       casey kasem
                In Loving Memory of a Band
                         The List
                 The Move and Nick Drake
                         The List
                 I Meta post today oh boy
   Stupidly Happy/Murdering Love On The Radio/Cardinal
                     Lynne Elbow Wood
                    Cash In Scenarios
                         The List
                 singing with Brenda Lee
                  The 8th note rests...
                 Joe Hartley has no Hart


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Their voices sob with grief.


Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:40:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Relph <>
Subject: Re: No Nothing Not
Message-ID: <>

Tom Getter Slack <> wrote:
>2)  To be stupid is to know nothing, which is not a good thing. But wait a
>minute, it's helping me be happy because ignorance is often bliss, so no,
>nothing's *not* wrong.

I thought to be ignorant was to know nothing.  To be stupid is far worse.

	-- John


Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:00:49 -0700
From: "Kurt Heinen" <>
Subject: Abducted
Message-ID: <002c01bfed48$19f24800$bc2c1d3f@GTEkurtisj>

Ok, here's the scenario. You're being abducted by kindly aliens from a
galaxy far, far, away. You are told to bring 5 music CD's with you . What
are they?


Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:41:47 -0700
From: alec <>
Subject: casey kasem
Message-ID: <>

all you need to know about casey kasem is that he is the voice of
shaggy in the television cartoon "scooby doo."  i've also seen his
name on "arab celebrities" lists, whenever american t.v. feels
sufficient guilt.

> robert wood said:
> Dan said:
> >> I feel like ****ing Casey Kasem: <<
> Why don't you ring him up - he may let you...
> Who *is*  he anyway and what makes him so sexy?


Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:24:17 -0700
From: "Kurt Heinen" <>
Subject: abducted
Message-ID: <002501bfed4b$610f8380$bc2c1d3f@GTEkurtisj>

Ok, here's the scenario. You're being abducted by kindly aliens from a
galaxy far, far, away. You are told to bring 5 music CD's with you . What
are they?


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:42:46 -0500
From: Ned <nedrise@MNSi.Net>
Subject: In Loving Memory of a Band
Message-ID: <>

Hello Chalkees

Joseph Easter wondered:
>On a heavier note, I can't believe noone has listed the band
Chicago as a worst of.<

Maybe it's because for the first 7 or 8 years of their career, they
were a pretty damn good band.  Of course, being a trombone
player, I was quite partial to their horn section, and especially
their trombonist, James Pankow(a bad MoFo of a player!).
When they finally had a #1 hit with If You Leave Me Now(pure
dreck, I admit), the die was cast and nearly every single they
released after that was some shitty syrupy ballad.  Then their
guitarist Terry Kath checked himself out, and it's been downhill
ever since.  But their first 8 albums contain some pretty cool stuff.
In fact, their first 3 records (all  double albums) have a high
percentage of experimental(and politically aware) music.

How about a new list:  Bands That Were Once Great But Now Suck

Obvious choice - The Beach Boys.



Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:47:47 EDT
Subject: The List
Message-ID: <>

Just  a coupla observations of The List:
  First, WHAT  is  Andy doing on that show with  all those little kids?  He
stuck out like a sore thumb. I wanted to throttle that little girl. They
didnt get anything he said.
His mock shooting of that girl was brilliant!
  Which brings me to point two:  How can Andy act like that in front of  a
live audience but be afraid of performing. He was a one man show.
 BTW, I made a tape of WS on one side & AV1 on the other. I have since
recorded over AV1 with WS. I CANNOT listen to AV1 anymore. Or at least until
I get sick of WS. This album still fucking rocks!!!!!!  Every damn note,
Every damn word. Come on , who wants to argue? Remember ,I got the Philly
cops on my side.

    Buh bye, Roger
p.s. Wes,  Did  you  wipe?  HA!


Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:05:44 -0700
From: Jim Allen <>
Subject: The Move and Nick Drake
Message-ID: <>


Robert Wood [Beavis and Butthead voice:  "He said Wood!"] wrote:

>Who *is*  he anyway and what makes him so sexy?

He's a guy who's had a Weekly Top 40 radio/TV show here in America for as
long as I can remember (I'm 40).  I got introduced to Kraftwerk's
still-amazing "Autobahn" on his show for example.  He's quite old
now--nothing wrong with that :-)  but he's not my type.

Mark was bouncing off the walls with enthusiasm:
>The Wonderstuff reunited in December at London
>forum!!!....I will be booking my flight toot sweet!

I only have "Never Loved Elvis" which apart from being one of the great
album titles ever (I bet they were burning copies of it in the Southern US
ala Beatles records after Lennon's "We're more popular than Christ"
misunderstanding) is a really fine album.  Which others should I get Mark?
And "All of them!" is not acceptable. :-) :-)

Jeff wrote about the pandemic of rock songs being used in adverts:
>On the other hand these hellish adverts might just turn
>on some listeners to the joys of Drake and Goodman.

I can confirm this is true.  I've heard about Nick Drake for
years----mostly because one of my favorite bands, Belle & Sebastian, are
routinely accused of ripping him off---and so to hear that song in the VW
ad made me hop on the music swapping site that starts with the letter N and
download some of his stuff.  I love it, I can see why Belle and Sebastian
are said to sound like him and as soon as I see them, I'll be buying the
remastered first 3 albums.

I saw Mr. Patridge on VH1's "The List" tonight.  He was kind of an odd
choice to be sure--most of the panelists were in the mid-to-late 20's but
he was funny, defended his choices well, did a scarily convincing air
guitar for "Stairway to Heaven"---I'm sure there's a tennis racket
somewhere in Swindon that's done time as a faux Les Paul--and looked rather
spiffy in brown slacks/coat and purple shirt.  Luckily, he wasn't wearing a
cap to cover up the bald spot and looked handsome in his, er, um, quirky
kind of way.  Well done Andy!  It's the old "If one person becomes an XTC
fan because of his being on this show, it was worth it" kind of thing.


NP: PTree: Lightbulb Sun


Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:45:54 PDT
From: "Beverly Cash" <>
Subject: The List
Message-ID: <>

Saw the List earlier...wasn't as bad as I thought it would be really...and
most of the others on the show weren't too bad with him.I've seen it a few
times before and there was much more revelry than any I've previously
seen.Andy was funny and the others seemed to get what he was saying and
joked with him.I thought his choices were great and am GLAD he was booed for
them!Shows he'll say what the others are too scared to!LOL
Most the others' ones were on the lame side and just too new of songs.
SO who was it that said they were behind the guys across from
Andy?LOL...kept showing a guy with short blondish hair (a bit of goatee?)
and a gal with long brown hair that were sitting there..was that some of you
fellow Chalkhillians?
Anyway,I thought it came out quite good and was quite festive.


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:10:51 +0200
Subject: I Meta post today oh boy
Message-ID: <0006800027539685000002L052*@MHS>

Hi "Kreideberger",

In #183, Al LaCarte wrote:

>Joe Funk shed:

>>My band is/was named Two Sheds..but I found out there
>>already is a TWO SHEDS in Sweden!!! <

>And then he posed:

>>Any one else got any ideas for me?<

>How about "Joe Funk?"

Personally, I would prefer "Joe Funk Yourself".

- Jeff


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:32:17 GMT
From: "Dave O'Connell" <>
Subject: Stupidly Happy/Murdering Love On The Radio/Cardinal
Message-ID: <>


>Odd, I thought chart positions were listed at

Ah, I see.  My fault.  I was just basing my (incorrect) assumption the
'What's New?' page.

Now that I'm through being a twit, let me just comment on some other posts

Neil Finn Inviting Fans Onstage to Sing:  This also happens frequently at
Squeeze shows (we had a couple dozen people onstage singing "Take Me I'm
Yours" with Glenn & Co. when I went to see them in New Jersey last fall), as
well as Glenn Tilbrook solo gigs.  I did not participate in these
shenanigans, which is just as well, because no human on this planet needs to
be subjected to my horrid singing voice.

Adult Alternative charts:  It's really too bad that are so few of these
stations in existence.  I have heard "I'm The Man Who Murdered Love" on the
Harrisburg affiliate for WXPN-FM (Philadelphia), but their signal only
travels so far and stops just short of my hometown of York, PA.  Getting
played on this format is great, but it's not something that will boost an
artist's fanbase much.

"Stupidly Happy":  Maybe this has already been pointed out, but is it just
me or does the riff in "Stupidly Happy" sound almost exactly like  the riff
that anchors Third Eye Blind's current hit "Never Let You Go"?
I really hate TEB, so it's a shame these two songs are so similar.  Aside
from that one number, I like Wasp Star, though.  And "Stupidly Happy" should
be the single, because it's the first XTC track in a long time to sound like
the songs being played on top 40 radio.  Sure, "Pumpkinhead" rocked, but it
didn't exactly fit in with the "grunge" that was all the rage in '92.

Cool obscure groups:  Has anyone on the list heard of the New York band
Cardinal?  Not the one with Richard Davies & Eric Matthews in it (though
that Cardinal was an excellent, if short-lived band.)  I'm talking about the
other Cardinal, the one who came out with a brilliant CD called
"Congraduations" in '93 (which I've played on my college radio show for the
past few years now), and after a long hiatus, have now released a follow-up,
Ora Et Labora.  I've been listening to their mp3s on and they're way
too talented of a band to be as obscure as they are right now.  (I've never
seen their records in stores, online or otherwise, apart from
"Goodnight Sally" and "Whichever Comes First" probably best showcase the
group's sharp lyrics and unique pop melodies.  Anyway, I've had a fanpage up
for them at my Eric Matthews/Richard Davies website for a while now, which
you check out by pointing your browser in the general direction of...


It also links to their mp3 site as well, where full-length songs can be
listened to.  Just curious if anyone else is into them.

-Dave O'Connell
Of Cardinals and Moles: The Richard Davies/Eric Matthews Fansite
sign the guestbook!  even though there's no contest involved and you won't
win a thing!  yeeha!


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:35:51 +0100
From: "Smith, David" <>
Subject: Lynne Elbow Wood
Message-ID: <>

More rambling responses to random postings on 6-183.

Ed K asked "did Lynne elbow Wood out of ELO or did he go of
his own accord". A bit of both actually Ed. There were a few years of
Wood saying "he elbowed me" and Lynne saying "he left" until Bev
Bevan (drummer and the OTHER ever-present throughout The Move
and ELO) wrote his autobiography and revealed the boring-ish truth,
which was that Wood wanted to go in the direction that became
Wizzard, thinking "all that orchestral sh*t just won't sell" while
Lynne wanted to stick with said orchestral sh*t.

"Righto" said Woody, "I'm off then". "Ta-ta" said the others. All pretty
amicable and matey nowadays.

Oh, and Joe Cocker - yep, he's pants.

Hey Belinda, the 10cc thing. Now I'm probably missing the double
irony bit here, but I THINK Dunks was joking when he referred to them
as 3rd rate. Maybe you realised that and were joking back in the spirit
etc. Hey, I dunno, whaddya want from me? Understanding?

Agree that they were one of the best bands of the 70's. I also like
"Ismism", Godley & Creme's first solo album plus their song "Englishman
In New York". If you haven't heard it check it out - IT'S NOT A COVER OF
THE STING SONG - it's an entirely different song altogether (. . . "it's an
entirely different song" . . ).

Hey Dom, just wanted to get you back into posting mode. It's not the same
without ya . . . I won't say whether it's better or worse, just not the

Warren Butson mentioned the b-side to Ball Park Incident. Innit great? I
thought I was the only person in the world to have discovered that little

HINT - if any of you have a decent size 7" singles collection,
check out the b-sides - especially from the 70s and 80s (before it
became customary to put the "remix" - ie, the SAME F*CKING SONG
on the b-side). You'll find some real gems - obviously you'll also find some
real crap, but that actually adds to the fun!

Yours pulling kites and pushing trees after a particularly heavy curry . . .



Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:51:21 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: Cash In Scenarios
Message-ID: <000101bfed7e$d7d3afe0$685791d2@johnboud>

>Possible scenarios for Andy and Colin to cash in on this advertising >crazy

" GREAT FIRE " for any brand kitchen matches
" WAKE UP " for any brand alarm clocks
" GRASS " for any brand lawn product

I've said it before , and I'll say it again , Cooking Vinyl ought to trust
our little tykes judgment , and release Stupidly Happy as a single pronto



Date: 14 Jul 2000 11:33:00 +0100
From: "Robert Wood" <>
Subject: 10cc
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Mutech Ltd

Belinda said:

>> Dunks - 10CC were 1st rate musicians and wordsmiths and their
"Original Soundtrack" was my Sgt Pepper.  They prepared me for what
was to come with the beauty and wit of XTC. <<

Hear, hear - they wrote some crackin' stuff, Gromit. And I had the good
fortune to record a couple of songs in their Strawberry Studio complex in
Stockport, engineered by the chap who engineered Lisa Standsfield's Been
Around the World. Just one of my little claims to fame. ;-)

While I'm on, I was recommended an album by a woman called Jen Tynan by a
bloke on the Aimee Mann list. (That's to say the album's by Jen Tynan and
the recommendation was by the bloke!!) It's called "Gun Shy, Trigger Happy"
and it is just stupendous; it's guitary with great melodies, full of energy
and produced by Mike Deneen of whom I'm a big fan. has a few
reviews of it. Go get it boys and girls!


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:33:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: nross <>
Subject: The List
Message-ID: <>

Partridge had on a nice suit and a very smooth looking baby blue shirt.

Superficially yours, Nicole

Nicole's internet music station:


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:26:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: brown <>
Subject: singing with Brenda Lee
Message-ID: <>

I responded to Eb's snotty post (digest #184, Re:stuff the ballot box), with
one of my very own (subject:stuff this).  Apologies to all.

Feeling better, dearie?... yes, yes I am.

Back to work-

Debora Brown


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:30:07 EDT
Subject: The 8th note rests...
Message-ID: <>

Hello All, and I hope your summer/winter is going well!

I am posting the remainder of the album's review for drumming in one final
Have fun!
My Brown Guitar

A Wonderful blues tune.  Man, I really enjoyed playing this tune.  And, after
playing the album, I took another listen while I read the words, it makes
perfect sense.  It's a balanced blues tune and grooves!  Good, stoic drumming
for the blues enthusaist!  But, Andy, what happened to "My Fano Guitar?"

Boarded Up

Nice click clocks with the clogs on the recording at the end, Andy!  A Jazz
drumming effort too.  Although, I have to say, that "my" version was much
better than the recorded drums.  Sorry babe!  I have a new version for this
tune and would love to play it with other Chalker musicians, if the situation
ever presents itself!  Together, we can experience a new vibe on this one.


A blast to play to!  The syncopations on this tune were all over the map!
Definitely jangly~and enjoyable to playing the surfaces, adding lot of color
to the song with the cymbals.  The "ands" were everywhere!

We're All Light

Upbeat 8th Note tune.  You have to nail the hi-hat sticking on this one, be
tight and stay in the pocket with it!

The most fun tune to play with.  The back - beats were a blast!  The lyrics
are Andy at his best, I think!  Colin was jamming on this tune too!  Of
course, my fantasy of playing this song in Andy's living room was destroyed
when my f**king door bell rang and it was my neighbor.  "Keep that racket
down!"  Yeah, ok!  I went immediately back to the kit and jammed the
syncopations out of the kit, just to stick it to my neighbor, and when I was
done, I yelled "Yeah!"  Broke a stick too!

Standing in for Joe

I enjoyed playing this little number.  I especially liked the last section.
It was right here, when I looked up at my poster in my studio, and read the
quote over a picture of Buddy Rich about his choice of cymbals, "If I
couldn't play Zildjians, I'd change instruments!"  He is seated with a tuba
around him, with a grin on his face!  I got louder, and the door bell rang,
but I ignored it.

The review gets gushie here!

You/The Clouds

8/8 time was really cool!  Wonderful and gorgeous drums on this song.  And
with the Flugal horn, played by none other than Simon Gardner (any
relations?), gave it such a rich and jazzy color to this song!

Wounded Horse

More "click clock" and thigh slapping by Prairie I presume!  Blusey
overtones, warm and cozy!  Gave me the goose pimples playing this one!  Good
8th note feel on the bass with the high hat/snare combination.  It just fit
for me, jamming along with the looped phrasing.  It was just right and
grooved big time!

Church of Women

The most organic tune on this album.  Gorgeous vocals!  Enter the Flugal
again and Simon was indeed all over this tune!

Fun mandolin with the drum phrasing and the back - beats!  This is "THE"
most XTC song on the record.  It has their "signature."  Great guitar
riffs, and Colin sounded like he was having fun, and was very creative and

There was a lot of tension and release on this song, more so than on any
other song, and for me, it happened just before the guitar solo, which I
thought was "way" too short - he should have gone another 8 - and, now I
want to worship at the church of women.  I just met a girl this week, and
we have a date this weekend, and I wonder if there is any connection with
the timing of that with the timing of me "discovering" this record?

I was sold on the Flugals during this number and on the entire album!  I
always whistle that flugal line jingle where ever I go nowa|and then the
accappella at the end of the tune!  Beautiful!  Way to go guys!  Now
everyone, clap on the 1 and 3 and 1 and 3, etca|more unsuspecting

The Maypole

And what can say about this tune!  An UNBELIEVEABLE NUMBER!  The back beats
on the kit were so cool!  Good structure to this song, it had a "place to
go," melodically.  The release of the tension on this tune was just so
right!  It has wonderful phrasing to the structure of the verses, tenses,
and bridge, middle 8's, etca|lot's of organic overtunes in this number too.
It has such a gorgeous bridge to it, and you hold for 3 beats during each
measure (add more tension) and it releases so well into the "Maypole"

This song did spin me off my axis mundi man!  (And I broke another stick!)
Andy's guitar and all the effects and delay were rich, warm and oh so
comforting from back in their day!  Strong kick bass feel on this diddle.

There is a sticking part to this song to, that if you really nail this with
the snare hand, and get the 8th and 16th notes together one handed, the
feel to the song is so cool.  Drumming enthusiasts who can't get it one
handed, try using both hands.  The snare work during those two middle-8's
are perfect!

Then the bridgea|man, Colin just took off jamming!  And, I hum along his
bass line notesa|cool!

This song reminded me terribly of Season's Cycle.  Then at the end, the 4
voices take you awaya|..gorgeous!
There are two songs which pose the most difficulty for amateur drummers:
We're All Light and Maypole.  From just purely a "sticking" standpoint, you
must nail them both to "stay in the pocket," or else you loose the feel and
can destroy the song.

There is a wonderful Drum Book which helps in this regard.  Roy Burns and
Joey Farris' _One Surface Learning_, and , _Second Line Rhythms_ (which has
a ton of New Orleans phrasings and other wonderful stuff).  Get these at

Regarding the production: overall it was well done, not to over-produced,
and not under-produced either, except for a few points.

Best regards and enjoy the remainder of the summer,

John Gardner


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:46:05 -0400
From: MinerWerks <>
Subject: Mijacogeo
Message-ID: <a04310100b594bbd80a29@[]>

In Digest #6-183, Al LaCarte exclaimed:

>I'm still recovering from the Elo-ified renditions of
>"Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" erroneously
>attributed to "The Bealtes" and placed on the "The
>Anthology" collections.

Aw, come on now... I think Paul, George and Ringo are big boys now
and weren't just roped into being session lackeys for Jeff Lynne's
mad production experiment. I mean, if Sir Paul can have an entire run
of Anthology 2 scrapped just so his first track comes after one
(instead of three) Lennon numbers, I bet he could have had Lynne

Then Warren Butson mused:

>One other thing. I know the greenman video was pulled but how many others of
>their singles don't have videos. I've only ever seen grass and
>peterpumpkinhead since senses, have I missed out?

Warren, my the things you have to learn! While it can be argued that
few people have actually *seen* much of XTC's video output
post-"Senses," there are some to be found! I think there is a list
over at Chalkhills HQ (, but I can tell you off the
top of my head that there were also videos for "All You Pretty
Girls," "The Mole From The Ministry," "Dear God," "Mayor of
Simpleton," "King For A Day," plus several songs from "Mummer" were
treated to video interpretations as part of a BBC program.

= Derek =


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:28:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Molly Fanton <>
Subject: Joe Hartley has no Hart
Message-ID: <>

Joe Hartley quipped:
<<So I now look for the TVT label - and avoid those
disks.  I just wish
our lads could have found a company with half a
clue as to how to make a
decent website.>>

Oh I love it when people say this.  So what you're
basically saying is that if XTC released anymore stuff
on TVT you wouldn't buy it.  Well, I think you're a
sad, sad man.  Why don't you get a PC or Mac instead
of using UNIX.  I never saw the meaning of UNIX.  Most
programs don't use UNIX.  Why don't you get into the
modern age, Joe and get a freaking PC or Mac.  You
won't get anywhere with UNIX.
I use a PC and right now I'm on my parents' Mac.  I
haven't had any problems with the TVT site.  I think
people who complain about not getting into the web
site shouldn't have the right to complain, because
they can easliy download Flash and the other required
programs.  They don't cost anything.  And if you're
worried about your computer crashing well then you
should think about getting a new computer with more

Molly, putting on her flame retardant suit

AIM Name: MFanton00
Fave Quote: "If your flight is going rough, your soul will lead you to
the nearest exit" - Jump - XTC (A. Partridge)


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