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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 182

                 Wednesday, 12 July 2000

Topics:

          catching up, defendin' big words, etc.
                     Triple Negative
 XTC chart positions/Irene/Richard Davies & Eric Matthews
              time to visit the music store
          Re: marriage? & yet more "WS" reviews
               Time to make another list...
         Q rhymes with spew?..I guess...weirdo..
                 XTC INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT
                      Commerciality
                  Dave Gregory sighting
                Ow, my colon is moulding!
           Re Stupidly Happy on Euro 2000 BBC1
                      Re: Q listings
            HOLY SHIT!!! LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!!
                    Mindless 70's pop
                  Song Stories sighting
                The Man who Murdered.....
               Re: Why TVT's website stinks
                I hope you're sitting down

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:35:38 -0700
From: Ed Kedzierski <ed.kedzierski@blvdmedia.com>
Subject: catching up, defendin' big words, etc.
Message-ID: <08B5DDC2BABCD311BFC6005004A884B013B72C@mgcservices.com>

Well, I have no idea when this will show up on the list, what with holidays
and all, but I though I'd get a few responses in so that I haven't forgotten
what I wanted to say before things get back up to speed (do I hear somebody
muttering "well, you could just shut up"? well, sorry...)

This is all a hodgepodge of out-of-order responses to stuff that was in the
little spurt of digests that came out while John was back that one week,
so...

To start off on a positive note, welcome to Alyssa; don't be intimidated,
the barking may get a bit deafening, but nobody really bites. Suggestion for
your "to buy" list: get "English Settlement". You'll be glad you did.

To Robert Wood: not to seem snitty or picky, but I believe the operative
word in that line you quoted from me in 6-176 is "simulated". I'm aware
(it's been mentioned in the majority of the more in-depth interviews so far)
of how digital the recording of WS is behind the scenes (recorded to hard
drive, etc.), I was referring to things like the use of the POD, etc. I
guess what I really mean is that I have a fondness for sounds that have been
"messed with" to some degree, rather than focusing exclusively on purity and
fidelity. Compression, for example, seems to solidify and anchor the sounds
in a way I can't fully describe (but find pleasing), where unfettered
dynamic range creates an "unbearable lightness" effect that I just don't
find as pleasurable. (if any of that makes sense...) That said, I had
something of my own "mini-rediscovery" of Nonsuch the other night, so its
production certainly doesn't ruin things for me, it just means that not
every meal will necessarily see me taking seconds and thirds from that
section of the buffet table.

Really didn't get what John Hedges was arguing about with me in 6-174,
unless it was a joke that I didn't get, or he was taking something I said
way too literally. Are we disagreeing about something? Does it matter? It
just didn't make any sense to me...
Maybe I've been working too hard (this break in Chalkhills was actually at
just the right time, the last week or so has been hectic).

In 6-175, Matt Kulak said:
		>I guess the attitude that comes through some time is - to
put it bluntly - obnoxious.

...And then seemed to put in an awful lot of effort trying to live up to
that ideal. Some of the things about not second-guessing the band's
judgements were fair enough (though much of it's been said before, not to
mention more tactfully), but I tend to react with suspicion to "don't talk
so fancy" statements like:

		Oh, please, "pabulum"????  Give me a fucking break.  Do you
really talk like this?  How many times do you refer to your thesaurus in
writing one of your entries?

Now, come on. This bugged me more than anything else in your post. You don't
need that "fucking break" you're asking for; "plain speech" yahoos are
dominant enough already. Isn't the fact that everyone on TV talks at a third
grade level enough for you? The freedom to play with polysyllables and take
things into the purple if one feels like it is something that I've always
found appealing about this list and a number of people on it. If it was all
"they fockin' rawk" all the time, I doubt I'd still be here. The fact of the
matter is that it's fun. I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds the list a
blessed relief from having to use terms like "market" "mission statement"
"critical path" etc. in favour of a more charming and maybe even archaic
mode of discourse. Why should anyone be forced to forsake words that roll
off the tongue so nicely that it's almost a sensual pleasure to say them, in
favour of monosyllables that just plop out like turds?

As far as the rest of your post, defending American pop culture (and Disney
in particular) against what you seem to have perceived as an "attack"...
well, what can I say, but: what a massive overreaction. You really seemed to
take the whole thing a bit too personally. There is a real difference, it
seems to me,  between "commercial Yankee mass culture" (Dunks' words) and
"entire country's entertainment industry and people" (your words). It's like
someone bitching about McDonald's and you reacting to it as an attack on
American cuisine (and rather than citing, say, the great restaurants of New
York, etc., or even the pleasures of an authentic southern barbecue, or some
such thing, you're just coming back with "McDonald's isn't so bad! Kids like
it!").
Take it easy, relax, have a drink, have a wank, take a dump, whatever.
Obviously, there's too much pressure somewhere.

"Easy there, big fella", etc.

EdK

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:50:36 +0100 (BST)
From: Rory Wilsher <rory_wilsher@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Triple Negative
Message-ID: <20000710185036.15319.qmail@web1503.mail.yahoo.com>

This one's resurfaced so I'm going to throw my
tuppence into the pot (and if it can't hold it, we'll
dash it to the ground):

What's happens if you replace all the words in "Yes,
everything's all right" with their antonyms? Well
technically, you'd end up with "No, nothing's none
wrong", which obviously makes no sense whatsoever. But
if you take "not" as an antonym of "all"...

OK, you're way ahead of me on this one.

Rory "It's just a little rash" Wilsher

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:37:21 PDT
From: "Dave O'Connell" <jumpthecup@hotmail.com>
Subject: XTC chart positions/Irene/Richard Davies & Eric Matthews
Message-ID: <20000710183721.2710.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hi!  Just a few things I'd like to comment on:

Chart positions:  With all this talk of the Adult Alternative charts, it
seems odd that Chalkhills doesn't list Wasp Star's peak position on the
biggest of all U.S. music charts, the Billboard 200 Album Chart.
Wasp Star peaked at #108 in its debut week, spent one more week on the
chart, then disappeared. (AV1 had a similar go last year, peaking in its
first week at #106.)

Me, Myself & Irene:  I suppose they could always do a second sountrack to
the movie.  After all, they did leave off three of the Steely Dan covers
(Nash Kato, Leon Redbone, and Freedy Johnston) that were submitted for the
soundtrack.  I still think it's a worthy purchase, XTC or no XTC (mainly for
the presence of Ivy, Ben Folds Five, Wilco and the Push Stars).

Richard Davies/Eric Matthews:  Has anyone heard the new Richard Davies album
"Barbarians" yet?  Just curious, as I've been updating my Davies/Matthews
site as of late with interviews and stuff.  If you're into RD or EM, check
out the site at:

http://www.geocities.com/jumpthecup

If you like what you see, sign the guestbook as well.

thanks!

--Dave O'Connell

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:48:02 EDT
From: Saints3Den@aol.com
Subject: time to visit the music store
Message-ID: <48.7f1cf85.269b8272@aol.com>

 Joe Hartley writes:

<< ObXTC: I haven't listened to Wasp Star in weeks - it's either in my wife's
 car or my son's CD player! >>

  IDEA!   Go buy 2 more copies!   eddie st.martin

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:58:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Radios In Motion <radiosinmotion@iwon.com>
Subject: Re: marriage? & yet more "WS" reviews
Message-ID: <384386296.963259098657.JavaMail.root@web186-iw>

Ummm, I may be wrong, but I thought the lyrics were "If the POP wont hold
our love..."

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:00:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: The Colonel <captainextraneous@yahoo.com>
Subject: Time to make another list...
Message-ID: <20000710210014.1410.qmail@web2304.mail.yahoo.com>

Have to agree with Mick on almost all of the singles
that never were. Black Sea, in particular, had
several. I personally would've liked to have seen
Colin's "Too Many Cooks In The Kitchen" be more
successful than it was back in the day... But at least
it saw the light of day SOMEWHERE...

"We're All Light" may not be the most commercial song
on WS, but it NEEDS to be heard. It's definitely one
of the more "XTC-like" tracks, yet doesn't cry
"sellout" quite as loudly as some of the others...
Third single, anyone?

As for "Dear Madam Barnum," "Merely A Man," and "Earn
Enough For Us," I think all of them would've been
superior single releases for their respective albums.
Who pays these record company guys anyway??

The Colonel

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:00:51 EDT
From: "Seth Frisby" <vagueyear@hotmail.com>
Subject: Q rhymes with spew?..I guess...weirdo..
Message-ID: <20000710210051.40193.qmail@hotmail.com>

'ello Folks,

        Heard We're all light on the radio today and not surprisingly it
seemed quite natural. In fact it sounded very good, although the selfsame dj
a couple of weeks ago stated that Stupidly Happy was his favorite off the
album. So if stupid dj's like so must stupid radio listeners right?..who
knows..but it is a good station so I won't slag it. If people still need
help getting Storefront Hitchcock try Amazon, they have it for fairly cheap.
Fell asleep during it once and dreamed Robyn was talking to me in a Goddard
college kitchen that i'd never seen. Oh and I think he was holding a knife.
So don't try to nap to it, it's much better when wide awake.
        Everyone seems to have calmed down a bit over the new release. Do
you think we'll start getting some sober reviews now? Here's one: It's
good?....uh..wait..actually Very good...well in truth its Great!!...damn
there's goes my sober plea...
        The Q's 100 greatest english albums were a bit trendy in their
scope...Oasis in the top ten? What a surprise for a magazine that chronicles
the Gallagher brothers every rock n' Roll sneeze. Even the Xtc reference was
disappointing.Can't they find better things to say about Andy than he wore
the Captain Cunt hat? Now I know the difference between Music "Critics" and
Music "writers"...oh well..round goes the wheel..
well let's see....ummmmm...nope nothing more to report sir!

Seth "Yuppie Eater" Frisby

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:24:38 +0100
From: Belinda Blanchard <b.blanchard@which.net>
Subject: XTC INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT
Message-ID: <3969DCA5.872B1D3C@which.net>

Dear ALL

This interview, previously taped, was broadcast on 20th June 2000 on
Gary Crowley's show on BBC London Live 94.9 at 10.00pm till midnight.
Lasted about an hour in itself.

	[ Read the interview at
	  http://chalkhills.org/articles/LondonLive000620.html ]

That's it folks.  Love from Belinda at 65wpm and RSI!

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:05:57 CDT
From: "Megan Heller" <hellerm@hotmail.com>
Subject: Commerciality
Message-ID: <20000710210557.72666.qmail@hotmail.com>

"Radios In Motion" has a bone to pick--
>I know this should not bother me.  I know artists do need to make a living
>and sometimes they resort to more commercial ways to support themselves.
>I can understand that.  I can forgive Devo for the Honda Commercial
>considering they were so screwed by their label.  I can forgive Boingo for
>doing a Budweiser commercial (which sounds pretty good actually, though I
>don't drink!)  I can even find it in my heart to forgive REM and B52's for
>doing the song "Shiny Happy People."
>
>BUT, it really bothers me that Sting has recently done both a Compaq
>commercial and a Jaguar commercial.  I mean, its not like he was screwed
>much considering he has a FUCKING CASTLE!!!  I know it has nothing to do
>with how good his music is (or at least, in my opinion, how good it was
>until about 86).  It just bothers me.  Who am I to forgive anyone?  I
>don't know.  Its just my opinion and I feel when someone uses their music
>for commercial purposes, it ruins a little of the magic.  Maybe I'm alone
>in all this, but this is how I see things.

I can understand that, but I've been gradually making myself get over it.
I've always been okay with Volkwagen's use of music, for example, since they
used Psychic TV and Lush in a campaign a few years ago-- they seemed to use
them in a way that seemed, well, appropriate ("Roman P" is an excellent
driving song).  I was still a little disconcerted, however, when "How Soon
Is Now?" was used in a commercial last year (I was very serious about The
Smiths when I was younger).  Now, though, that the new Moby album is the
first album to have *every* track commissioned for advertisements, and
Arling & Cameron are used very often, I'm having to get used to it.  There
are a few songs that still seem sacred, though.  My father was mortified
when some car company (Nissan?  I can't remember) used Cream's "I Feel Free"
on their ad.

>Imagine if XTC were in a Mercedes commercial using "I'd Like That,"
>wouldn't that somewhat ruin it for you?

Maybe not that song-- it's a happy, sort of lightweight song.  Maybe
something with weightier feeling.  Or if a car company used "River of
Orchids".

back in the DC metro area,
megan.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:08:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: sean hewitt <seanhewitt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dave Gregory sighting
Message-ID: <20000710210803.10381.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all

This is my first posting to Chalkhills, the world's
most civilised centre of pop chat, and it's just a
note to say that last Monday (July 3) I was in London
to see the closing night of King Crimson's
ConstruKction Of Light Euro tour.

In the pub beforehand, I thought I recognised a
strangely familar figure, having a pint before the gig
with a mate. My brother confirmed my opinion: Mr Dave
Gregory, ex-XTC member, was going to the gig as well.

I didn't bother him. What would I have said? But it
was definitely him, folks!

Cheers

Sean

PS: Crimson were stunning.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:17:10 EDT
From: WESnLES@aol.com
Subject: Ow, my colon is moulding!
Message-ID: <90.6db6f99.269b8946@aol.com>

Psunspots:

Recently spent a few days with a nearly paralyzing case of food poisoning.
In between hurtling whatever lay between me and the porcelain god and cold
sweats that would've made Mother Theresa cuss like a drunken sailor with
Tourette Syndrome I managed to listen to every "proper" XTC release and
forced myself to pick the ONE song off each album that meant the most to me.

I'm not sayin' (uh, typing) that these are the best songs on each album,
simply that they are the ones which mean the most to me. (I, uh, typed that
already didn't I)?

GO 2/Meccanic Dancing
Drums & Wires/Millions
Black Sea/Rocket From A Bottle
English Settlement/English Roundabout
Mummer/Love on a Farmboy's Wages
The Big Express/I Bought Myself a Liarbird
Skylarking/Ballet for a Rainy Day
Oranges & Lemons/Miniature Sun
Nonsuch/That Wave
AV1/Easter Theatre
Wasp Star/Church Of Women(that's freakin' right ya babies..not TWATMP!!!!)

I didn't get around to The Dukes 'cause the good bowel fairy visited me
towards the end of Wasp Star & bestowed upon me, with but one touch of her
peanut capped wand, a good old fashioned Kevlar dense stool!!!!!  (If that
doesn't fall somewhere 'neath the label "too much information" then you
freaks are sicker than I thought.  Hmmm, which may just make me love you all
the more).

As if that's possible,

wesLONG (@ the land of XTCtrades):
http://members.tripod.com/~The_Last_Balloon/index.html

Oh, and I'm only gonna tell you this one more time.  If you haven't heard
David Mead's  "The Luxury of Time" yet, please go buy a copy.  I promise you
won't become a member of The Disappointed if you do.  Well, at least not
because of the album.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:17:48 +0100
From: "David Nixon" <david.nixon@tesco.net>
Subject: Re Stupidly Happy on Euro 2000 BBC1
Message-ID: <LPBBIALIAFGPANMMBJLHGEJBCCAA.david.nixon@tesco.net>

 Hi

Re Stupidly Happy; One posting said it was the whole song, well not quite
I'm afaid, they edited out the brreaks where the talking parts are and the
chorus.  The edits were also pretty crude I'm afraid but otherwise it was
nice to witness the song being used- nice one bbc.

PS wasp star is the best offering since 'oranges & lemons' imho

JDN

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:15:11 +0100
From: "Ken Lansdowne" <kenlansdowne@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Q listings
Message-ID: <00c701bfeab4$36ffa640$eb0130d5@pc>

I have 40 of the Q Greatest British Albums top 100 in my own collection (of
around 3000 albums) - too many to list individually. Most of these I would
rate as good albums, but not all of them would make my own top 100.

Of the top 20, I have

1. Revolver - The Beatles
2. OK Computer - Radiohead
4. London Calling - The Clash
7. The Beatles - The Beatles
10. Never Mind the Bollocks... - The Sex Pistols
11. Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd
13 Sgt Pepper... - The Beatles
17 Abbey Road - The Beatles
20 Hounds of Love - Kate Bush

My own top 40 would include at least 3 XTC - Drums & Wires, English
Settlement & 25 O'Clock

>From: "Pledge" <PLEDGE7@btinternet.com>
>
>As Andy regularly states the UK doesn't deserve XTC i'd be interested
>to knopw which of the 100 albums are owned by other UK XTC fans (I
>know I'm not the only one.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:51:56 EDT
From: "Kevin Diamond" <kev_boy@hotmail.com>
Subject: HOLY SHIT!!! LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!!
Message-ID: <20000710215156.20099.qmail@hotmail.com>

I went to a Berklee School of Musiuc Summer Program for the Bass for four
days, and I spent a lot of my time in used CD shops and the like... I found
a bunch of cool things, like the out of print Infinite Zero release of
Devo's "Shout" (A so-so Album), a Jerry Casle (of TH) album "Casual Gods,"
and... what? What's this? XTC DEMO'S???!!!! Yes!!! I found a CD-R that was
for sale in this one shop (I'm pretty sure it wasn't legal, cause, well...
it was a CD-R) that is filled with XTC Demos. A lot of them I already have,
Stuff from Bull With The... and
Windowbox and some other assorted demos I have already, but I got  some new
stuff like "Didn't Hurt a Bit" "Bumper Cars" "Bags of Fun With Buster"
"Gangway! Electric Guitar" "Rah Rah For Red Rockinghorse" Let's
Make a Den" and "Find The Fox". Although I was also kind of disapointed,
because orriginally, I bought two XTC CD-Rs. The other one had stuff like
Terrorism, and some other demos I hadn't heard of, and some BBC Sessions,
but it turned out that whoever made the CD-Rs accidentally burnt the same
disc twice, and put them in two differently
labeled cases. I went back and traded it for a Bootleg of a Belle and
Sebastion French Radio Show.

The artwork was very profesionally done, BTW. It looks like whoever made it
spent some time on it. But not enough time to check on the names of the
songs. Here's a list of the song titles that are on the back of the CD case,
and the actual song titles.

Rocket - Cape Canaviral
Rip Van Rueban - Rip Van Who?
Everything - Stealing your Memories
My Train is Coming - Little Darling
Let's Make a Den - Let's Make a Deal

But whether the songs were titled correctly or not, I'm glad I got it (For
$18.50 no less! Gasp!) I just wish the money I spent on it was going to Andy
and Colin instead of some guy burning CDs in his bedroom. Come on Fuzzy
Warbles!!

Kevin Diamond
www.mp3.com/frenchelectric
www.mp3.com/bass-cleff

"I rewrote history
and added you and me
took out cleo and anthony
and made you love me" - Me (www.mp3.com/bass-cleff)

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:20:38 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <cauldron@together.net>
Subject: Mindless 70's pop
Message-ID: <l03130303b59016d1c77a@[208.13.202.99]>

>But on to "real" bands. The Seventies provide rich
>pickings. I shall name but a few: Wizard, Slade, Mud,
>Pilot, Sweet, Showaddywaddy. All guilty of crimes
>against humanity. And music. And fashion. And taste.
>And common decency. And taking food from the mouths of
>more deserving artists.
>
>Rory Wilsher

  Wizard? You got something against Roy Wood? OK, it's not The Move, but
unless you think Roy took a creative nosedive after The Move broke up, or
you have something against The Move(WANNA FIGHT? WANNA FIGHT?:-)). As for
Sweet and Slade, they were a couple of great singles bands. Approach their
albums with great caution, but I'd take The Best Of Sweet and Sladest to a
desert island any day. Then again, I didn't grow up in Britain, I grew up
in Canada, so I wasn't as overexposed. Slade was some obscure British band
I picked up for a couple of dollars in a used vinyl store. As for the rest
of 'em, only Pilot's one hit wonder "Magic" made it to the top 40 in the
colonies, but hey, I'm a sucker for mindless giddy pop sometimes. I'd pick
up their debut album if I saw it used for a couple of dollars.

Christopher R. Coolidge

"A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has
10 GREAT laws.  A Good law protects me from you.  Laws against murder,
theft, assault and the like are good laws.  A Poor law attempts to
protect me from myself."  - Unknown

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:44:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brown <mb2@deltanet.com>
Subject: Song Stories sighting
Message-ID: <200007110544.WAA11551@mail2.deltanet.com>

Hi there, friends-

Anyone still looking for a copy of XTC-Song Stories?  I noticed there was
ONE copy available (used-very good condt. $6.95) at www.half.com.  This is a
first come/first served kind of deal, so why the heck are you just sitting
there?... Go!

Debora Brown

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:39:59 +0100
From: "Will" <squidly@clara.co.uk>
Subject: The Man who Murdered.....
Message-ID: <004001bfeb02$8981a460$bf5b08c3@default>

Is it just me or does this sound remarkably similar to Statue Of liberty ?

Hmmmm..........

Anyone else less than impressed with WS:AV2?

Vol 1 was so much better......

Love Will.....xx
"An act of creation will always be regarded
by some people as a personal attack".
Claude Debussy

"Queer Spirit" The  Magazine for LGB/TV/TS Pagans and Occultists
New Issue Now available
Mail: Queerspirit@excite.co.uk for more info

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:05:36 -0400
From: "Brian" <mattone@bhip.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Why TVT's website stinks
Message-ID: <00af01bfebae$0e3a4580$140affd1@Brian>

Tschalkgerz!

Joe Hartley tells us:

> Let me tell you something, TVT - I CAN'T get the Flash plugin!  At work
> I use an HP workstation running Unix.  My home machine is an old Sun which
> also runs Unix.  Neither of these platforms can run Flash, because
> Macromedia doesn't have a version for these machines.
>
> A well-designed website will not assume it's going to be read by a
> fully-tweaked Windows PC (or even a Mac).  A good friend of mine is
> blind and uses Lynx, the text-based web browser and a mechanical reader.
> Your site breaks for that as well.  If you had any clue as to how to
> do this, you'd have a way on that top page for those of us not in lockstep
> with Bill Gates to click our way into a version of the page that doesn't
> need the bells and whistles.  (Let's face it, Flash is nothing BUT bells
> and whistles - I've never seen a Flash animation/applet that added any
> real content to a website.)

Then you haven't looked very hard - or is it because you CAN'T?
Didn't you just say that you can't use the Flash plug-in? So how can you sit
there and say you haven't seen any worthwhile Flash content?
How about Flash cartoon shows? Like 'Thugs On Film'? Or 'The God and Devil
Show' (http://www.entertaindom.com - oh, wait - why give you the URL? You
can't view it...)? Or anything where people are working hard to bring you
their thoughts and ideas and concepts and stories for FREE to entertain you?
Because they can! Because they now have a tool with which to do this.
I am a Flash user/creator and I take some offense at your comments.
Sure, there is some crap Flash usage out there - and there is some crap HTML
usage out there, too.
Not to mention the Javascript stuff, 'cause you already did.
There is room for all of this (and more) on the web.
Business sense says: create products for the biggest consumer base.
Sorry, but that's Windows.
All I can say is get with it.
I did.
I was a Mac guy.

> I *really* want to see what this bonus disk is about, so I'm going to
> take a walk over to the other building and see if I can find a PC
> with Flash on it JUST SO I CAN GET PAST THE FIRST PAGE.  I can't believe
> that TVT is arrogant enough to have made a deliberate decision to exclude
> people from the website - it must be ignorance on the part of the web
> developer on how to best make a site that can be made with the widest
> variety of browsers possible.  I've seen dozens of people do this - they
> get some sort of wepage development program, go into business as a
> website developer, and cheese off the clients when people have problems
> getting into the site.

And what about all those Windows games that there are no Mac versions of?
TVT is not the only co. out there doing this.

-Brian Matthews
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/sapringer
Flash content and goddamned proud of it.

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:19:41 -0700
From: "John Keel" <jbkev1@ev1.net>
Subject: I hope you're sitting down
Message-ID: <005e01bfeba7$a8fd46a0$11525d3f@sony.com>

Hi kids,

Let me respond to a few miscellaneous posts of late.

Deb: Actually Andy suggested both "My Way" AND "Stairway to Heaven", both of
which threw the rest of the panel for a loop.  Of course, Andy has (as have
some of the rest of us) been listening to both of those songs for longer
than at least one of the other guests (Mila from "That '70's Show) has been
alive (she's only 16!!!).  So, either way you vote is okay.  Someone on the
Audities list said that he talked to Ashton Kutcher (also from "That '70's
Show and host of "The List" with AP) recently who confirmed what I thought
after witnessing the taping which was that no one knew quite what to make of
Andy and that he wasn't sure how much of Andy's unique sense of humor (my
words) would make the final cut.  So, it should be fun and be sure to look
for myself, David Bash, Gail George and Liz Hays (sorry if I missed anyone)
sitting in the front right behind the two guys across from Andy.

I must jump on the pro-Slade bandwagon along with Duncan.  I loved Slade as
a teen and I still think they were one of the highlights of the '70's for
me.  Noddy Holder was amazing and "Darlin' Be Home Soon" (at least the
version I had on "Slade Alive" just smoked the original.  Again, agreeing
completely with Duncan, how can you take Slade's total act and obvious sense
of humor and compare it to the total seriousness and egos of the '80's heavy
metal hair bands like Ratt, Motley Crue, Warrant, etc.?  What crap those
guys put out. Oh, and while I'm not entirely up on all of Wizzard's catalog,
Roy Wood was quite the genius - mad or otherwise.

To Ken Lansdowne and Pledge, I was so angered about XTC not being in the "Q"
list that I failed to notice Genesis not making it either.  Of course, now I
just have to believe that the editorial staff at "Q" are fuckheads without
any hope of salvation.  I would probably agree with you that "Foxtrot" would
be my choice, although I can't deny Joe Funk's selection of "Selling England
. . . ".  I still truly love all of the Peter Gabriel-era Genesis.  Speaking
of which, has anyone ever heard of the soundtrack album "All This and World
War II"?  It was really common back in the '70's (even in Alabama for God's
sake) and was all Beatles covers by various singers backed by the London
Symphony which was supposedly used over stock footage from the war.  I've
NEVER seen the film (haven't checked Facets though since I usually do lose
my mind once I get in there) but Peter Gabriel did an incredible cover of
"Strawberry Fields Forever" that I would almost kill to have.  Just imagine
that lovely introduction, the solid bass note and then Peter's unmistakable
voice singing "Let me take you down . . . ".  I get chills just thinking
about it.

But, I digress (as usual) . . .  two quick final notes.

Dane is right, yes, yes, yes go see "Chicken Run".  It is to date the best
movie I've seen this summer and possibly all year.  It has more heart and
drama and fun in a better script than you'll find anywhere else.  Plus I'm
required to say that if you sit through the credits please look for my
girlfriend's name: Julie Imboden.  She works in the music department at
Dreamworks' animation and coordinated the recording sessions for the
soundtrack.  Thanks again to Jayne for clapping when she saw Julie's name (I
wasn't there but I know Jayne told me the truth).

I was going to give Randy my favorite band name of all time but I just can't
part with it - just in case I actually start a band anytime soon.  Sorry.
An old roommate was always fond of "You and what Army".  Whadda ya think to
that?

FINALLY thanks to Paul Wilkinson for the Martin Newell website.  The CD I
found appears to be an older Canadian pressing, but I will definitely check
out the website to get some background on Martin.  The album just keeps
getting better & better with each listen.

OH MY GOD!!!! I beg your forgiveness for my exhausting post.  As always,
thanks for listening.

John

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