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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 178

                   Sunday, 9 July 2000


                 Why TVT's website stinks
XTC on National UK TV - probably not the first post about it
                Manfare For The Common Fan
                        EMP'd off
               The Worst Band In The World
                     Good, Bad, Ugly
                Re: The Laughing Prisoner
                   Huge Crossover Hit ?
         How to vote for XTC videos at
                   my attorney says...
                     Long and Bitchy
                 Re: Matt's first post...
                  Re: Apples and Lemons
     Andy On The list? New Single Is Stupidly Happy!
            Q Up for the Farsical History Tour
        Week 25: WaspStar has left the dutch chart
          Re: Slapping at a City on the Rebound
            Hitchcock on DVD (no xtc, pardon)
                    what's in a name?


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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:31:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe Hartley <>
Subject: Why TVT's website stinks
Message-ID: <>


As someone who owned an ISP for 5 years and worked with web designers to
put hundreds of websites on line, I can honestly say that the TVT site
is one of the worst I've ever seen.

Having read about the bonus XTC CD being available at the website, I decided
to give it a try.  The first egregious mistake they make is requiring
that Javascript be turned on.  They don't give any indication of this, but
you can't get past the first page without it, since there's stuff to detect
your browser there, and it won't let you manually choose a path.

(For the record, Iturn off JAvascript because it's the mechanism used
by websites to "hijack" your browser.  You know the feeling: you go to a
seemingly innocuous website, and all of a sudden you have multiple browser
windows opening up with porno ads in them.  You try to kill them as fast
as they pop up, but there are a *lot* of them.  Eventually you manage to
kill them all, or your browser crashes, and some idiot out there has made
another 25 cents off his referrals.  It's all done with Javascript.)

OK, fine.  I'll turn on Javascript.  Back to the site...  CRASH!  What???
I've seen this before... yep.  Going back to the page with Javascript
disabled and looking at the page source shows that the script is looking
for the MacroMedia Flash plugin.  This sort of search has crashed my
browser before.  Grrrrr....

Let me tell you something, TVT - I CAN'T get the Flash plugin!  At work
I use an HP workstation running Unix.  My home machine is an old Sun which
also runs Unix.  Neither of these platforms can run Flash, because
Macromedia doesn't have a version for these machines.

A well-designed website will not assume it's going to be read by a
fully-tweaked Windows PC (or even a Mac).  A good friend of mine is
blind and uses Lynx, the text-based web browser and a mechanical reader.
Your site breaks for that as well.  If you had any clue as to how to
do this, you'd have a way on that top page for those of us not in lockstep
with Bill Gates to click our way into a version of the page that doesn't
need the bells and whistles.  (Let's face it, Flash is nothing BUT bells
and whistles - I've never seen a Flash animation/applet that added any
real content to a website.)

I *really* want to see what this bonus disk is about, so I'm going to
take a walk over to the other building and see if I can find a PC
with Flash on it JUST SO I CAN GET PAST THE FIRST PAGE.  I can't believe
that TVT is arrogant enough to have made a deliberate decision to exclude
people from the website - it must be ignorance on the part of the web
developer on how to best make a site that can be made with the widest
variety of browsers possible.  I've seen dozens of people do this - they
get some sort of wepage development program, go into business as a
website developer, and cheese off the clients when people have problems
getting into the site.

As an aside, to add insult to injury, the Javascript on the top page is
wrong.  The source shows that it's clearly looking for the Flash plugin,
but the error message that is displayed if the search fails is
"Your browser does not support frames.  Please download a current version of
Netscape Navigator and try visiting our site again.  Thank You."  I can
just picture some poor user downloading the newest Netscape over a
modem, which takes hours, and firing it up only to find that they STILL
can't get into the TVT site because the real problem is they don't have

Whether this falls on deaf ears or whether TVT actually hires someone
who knows what they're doing may never be known.  I hope that someone,
ANYONE, reading this who wants to design websites or hire someone to
make them a site gives a bit of thought to the wide variety of computers
and browsers out there and doesn't do something as idiotic as TVT.


Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:03:09 +0100
From: "Smith, David" <>
Subject: XTC on National UK TV - probably not the first post about it
Message-ID: <>

Errr, errrrr.....errrr.....REALLY excited I am!!

The time - around 8.30pm on Sunday night.

The place - my living room (in front of the TV actually).

The occurrence - one European soccer nation (France I think)
were playing another (if it was France, then it must have been

Comes half time, cut back to "That Nice(tm) Gary Lineker" who
says something nice and bland about "hasn't it been a nice
championship so far" and "in fact you could say . . ."

Oh great, thinks I, here we go into another one of those highlight
reels where everything's supposed to be funny and very little is . . .

. . ."in fact you could say . . . everyone's been happy . . . almost
stupidly so . . . "

Derr ner ner ner neh. Derr ner ner ner neh.*Splash* Derr ner ner ner neh.
Derr ner ner ner neh.

Cue a double-Smudge-take - yes, there, on BBC1, prime time, Sunday
night TV - and during the footie no less, the whole bloomin track.
Dudes - have you realised the enormity of this? It's not beyond the bounds
of possibility that circa 7m or 8m people were watching.

Not only will this surely net the boys some serious royalty sponds, maybe
one or two people out there will ring in and say "eerrr, excuse me Auntie
Beeb, who what was that catchy little song that That Nice(tm) Gary Lineker
played during the footie the other day?"


I'll shut up now.



Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:10:10 EDT
Subject: Manfare For The Common Fan
Message-ID: <>

CHill Billies, Dillies & Sillies alike,

I guess this can be considered a 'shred' of the thread, Unfavorable Bands I
Admit To Liking....or was that on The Kinks' digest? If it was....ex(t)cuse

Forgive me, I don't know who said:
<< I'm afraid I have to admit that I am possibly the only ELP and XTC fan on
 >this website. >>

Not true, Tarkus breath! In my 'young and innocent days', before discovering
The Kinks, ELP was my favorite band. I argued, through many a YES song being
played on the radio, that Keith Emerson blows Rick Wakeman away. And, "nobody
drums better than Carl Palmer" or "Greg Lake has the greatest voice in the
world" were also grapplings of mine, defining my nobody-can-tell-me-different
adolescent place in this world. Naturally, this was before Midge Ure, Bryan
Ferry and Elvis Costello quenched my ear's thirst, male side. But I digress.
John Relph, have a great vacation!

Happy Summer's Cauldron! :-(

Paul ( LoPiccolo

PS) XTC content: they overflow with it. Brilliance!

PPS) OH! I caught Orchid Dance at The Kitchen in NYC. It was as hot as an
oven in there. Great to hear the XTC soundtrack in a public environment, but
the ballet didn't thrill me. I think it was Steven Wright who asked, "why do
ballerinas stand on their toes? Why not just get taller dancers?"


Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:11:33 -0700
From: "Hiatt, Randy" <>
Subject: EMP'd off
Message-ID: <F34536084B78D311AF53009027B0D7EAE3D9E6@FSBEX01>

Went to the grand opening of the Experience Music Project (Paul Allen's
music museum in Seattle) and I could find nothing on XtC.  Like other
museums I hope there's a constant  expansion and rotation of goodies to see,
maybe we could write and suggest additions?

It was a good experience anyway, lots of live music stages (outside), lots
of interactive musical opportunities for those who haven't played with those
types toys before.  Not sure I like the building yet (looks like a pile of
litter to me).

Randy Hiatt


Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:01:59 +0100 (BST)
From: Rory Wilsher <>
Subject: The Worst Band In The World
Message-ID: <>

Oh dear. We've barely scratched the surface here.
There are, of course, the obviously contrived novelty
efforts (I pray that one day I will forget the
existence of the St. Winifred's School Choir). I shall
sadistically remind you that both Stars On 45 and Jive
Bunny once commanded the hearts and minds (not to
mention the pocket money) of Britain's youth.

But on to "real" bands. The Seventies provide rich
pickings. I shall name but a few: Wizard, Slade, Mud,
Pilot, Sweet, Showaddywaddy. All guilty of crimes
against humanity. And music. And fashion. And taste.
And common decency. And taking food from the mouths of
more deserving artists.

But my winners, by a very long way, are undoubtedly
those toothsome purveyors of "Girl Power"  I refer,
of course, to Spice Girls. Can anyone think of a worse
band than that?

Obligatory XTC content: I like Wasp Star

Rory "What possessed you to write such a disgusting,
degeneratised song as that? And I'm complimenting you
by considering it a song" Wilsher


Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:12:14 -0700
From: Ed Kedzierski <>
Subject: Good, Bad, Ugly
Message-ID: <>

With all this talk about "worst bands" and the people defending ELP, my
response makes me feel old...

Basically, I'm finding that I feel a lot more patience and sympathy for the
scorned bands of my youth (whether prog, butt-rock, 70s cheese-pop,
whatever) than for the current crop of music industry McTunes (whether
boybands, offensively fake psuedo-alternative whiners, caterwauling "divas",
whatever). Maybe it's just the sheer distance in years that I've gained from
my younger dislikes, and the fact that current hates are more "hot off the
grill", so to speak. Maybe it's the fact that even the most calculatingly
commercial piece of product from past eras is retroactively rendered more
naive sounding, and hence somehow less offensive, by the less advanced
technology it was recorded on.
My own non-enjoyment of prog, for instance, stemmed mainly from a low
tolerance for high-pitched vocals (especially Anderson) and no patience at
all for jams (also a bone of contention with my deadhead friends years
later), but I've had a lot of friends over the years who were into this
stuff, and certainly never considered their music a threat to what I was
into (though being lectured to by someone with no respect for anything but
prog can get very tiresome very fast). In any case, I'd choose a beer with
someone into ELP (whose stuff I don't even know, quite honestly) than with
someone into Shitbox 20 (my absolute number one despised/loathed/hated band
just now) any day of the week (at least with the former I could have a
reasonable debate on what we disagree over, where with the latter it would
degenerate into "fuck you!" "no, fuck you!" pretty quickly).
And "those who were once at least tolerable but have sunk lower than could
ever have been imagined" have released some of the worst music of their
entire careers in recent years, especially Clapton and Rod Stewart (who
should be banned from recording ever again just because of "Forever Young";
this song makes "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" look like a high point...)

To the person who listed "Wild Life" as McCartney's worst: well, true
enough, it's pretty dire, but try playing "Bip Bop" to some poor bastard,
watch the look on their face, and then try to tell me that there's no
enjoyment to be had from this album... (a tad sadistic, perhaps, but hey...)

Laying myself wide-open by admitting that I'm one of the few people on Earth
with a bit of a weakness for John & Yoko's "Sometime in NYC"...

Ed K.
"Someday we'll evaporate together"


Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:39:17 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Subject: Re: The Laughing Prisoner
Message-ID: <>

Dear Chalkers,

Innit good to be back? You betcha!

> What song did XTC play on the Jools Holland Prisoner spoof "The
> Laughing Prisoner?

Our heroes badly mimed their way through two songs in the same
Prisoner setting: The Meeting Place which was used in the spoof
itself and for "The Tube" they filmed The Man Who Sailed Around
His Soul. Discerning viewers will note that E.I.E.I. Owen-Gregory
"played" the drums on this occasion.

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse


Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:59:55 EST
From: "Andrew Gowans" <>
Subject: Huge Crossover Hit ?
Message-ID: <>

Greetings Folks,

In the past many Chalkhilliers have commented on how well AP would go if he
wrote childrens songs (shame about 'Peach').

Well now, in 6/173 Cristophe Carl (write spelling ? ;) has been the latest
to comment that his progeny, in this case his 8yo daughter, really likes
'Stupidly Happy'.

I have noticed this with my own 4yo son, SH is a track that kid's seem to

Perhaps TVT should pitch XTC to a market segment that has no preconceptions
about what music should be, except tuneful and fun.

Andrew Gowans
(I have a 2yo and a 4yo..does that make me a Yo Yo ?)


Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:13:59 +0900
From: nishimatu <>
Subject: How to vote for XTC videos at
Message-ID: <v04210a06b571ae8aadfc@[]>

  For English speakers who want to vote for XTC videos at "",
please check this page.

  When the requesting votes come to a certain amount, the company will try
to make it happen.


P.S. Products that "" makes are not bootlegs.


Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:21:33 -0700
From: "Wes Hanks" <>
Subject: my attorney says...
Message-ID: <002101bfe0a7$b48c0a20$71c9fc9e@default>


A transcript of the conversation I had today with one of the attorneys at
work while walking down the hallway:

Attorney: Hey Wes, I finaly bought Wasp Star.
Me: Great, what did you think of it?
A: Pretty good, I haven't been able to listen to all of it yet. Say, is
Stupidly Happy, Andy's mastabatory song?
M: No, Andy's Penile-reference song for this album is My Brown Guitar.
A: Great, super, thanks for the guidance.

And with that we arrived at our 2:00 meeting.

Wes "Yeah, Pink Things about his baby, sure, right" Hanks


Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: Long and Bitchy
Message-ID: <>

Matt Kulak's long and bitchy post (feel better, Matt?)
was, well, long and bitchy, but I did find an
interesting question somewhere in there:

any suggestions to fix up the
painting "The Last Supper"???

Well, I was surprised that they didn't go for
corporate sponsorship to pay for the restoration.
Imagine-a big Domino's pizza box on the table in front
of Jesus and bottles of Miller Lite all around...
How about the apostles all wearing Tommy Hilfiger?


Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:36:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dorothy Spirito <>
Subject: Re: Matt's first post...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.10006281702590.16504-100000@esun527>

In re: Dunk's use of the word "pabulum":
Actually, a lot of us *do* "talk like that".  To read the archives is to
realize that the tone of this list is erudite and witty.  Good grammar,
syntax, and spelling is held in high regard.  The artful turn of phrase is
appreciated.  Even I, with my vast vocabulary, have learned a new word
here & there.  (Thanks for the "spunkbubbles", Simon. <g>)

In re: not critiquing XTC's music unless one is a bona-fide musician:
Many of the folks on this list *are* musicians, and *have* put their stuff
out "there" for their fellow musicians' approbation/opprobrium.  XTC's
music, after all, attracts musicians.  As well it should.

In re: "obligatory XTC":
It's sort of an inside joke that this list does *not* *require* members to
put an "on-topic" item in their posts.  Some of us do that "ob-XTC"
anyway; nudge-wink.  We're basically a self-policing free-for-all, with
our dear JR stepping in rarely.

In re: the thrust of your post, which was a defense of Disney musicals:
I'll be interested to see the brickbats that will surely follow. <g>

::returning to the smorgasbord::


Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:08:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Apples and Lemons
Message-ID: <>

> Why compare later albums to early ones? They are so far removed in time,
> as to make it silly. Imagine if you compared Abbey Road to Rubber Soul
> and complained about how Come Together and You Never Give Me Your Money
> can't ever measure up to In My Life or I'm Looking Through You. So,
> compare Black Sea to Wasp Star, how does that enlighten us? If you had
> never heard of XTC and someone played WS, would you say "sounds good,
> but there's something missing"?

Thanks Ralph, couldn't have said it better myself. I'm curious as to why
I'd Like That didn't end up on the soundtrack CD for Me, Myself & Irene
(the Carrey film--hope that's the title anyway) along side the Steely Dan
covers (or why they weren't contacted to do a Steely Dan cover song--that
would have been interesting).



Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: travis schulz <>
Subject: Andy On The list? New Single Is Stupidly Happy!
Message-ID: <>

Yowza Yowza Yowza Chalkhillians.....I have been
searching the VH1 and TV GUIDE On Line for the
schedules on when our Andy in on the list- Can't find
it yet.  Those in the know of the title or theme of
"The List" or anyone who knows when this show is to
air, please announce it here big and bad! I just hope
this doesn't end up ill fated like the Space Ghost
thing.  By the way, is Geeks and Freaks no longer on
the air?  I wanted to capture that episode "No
Language From Our Lungs"  was featured in- no summer
re-runs for this show?  And finally, according to
Gavin ("The Most Trusted Name In Radio" industry mag),
STUPIDLY HAPPY is the next single from WASP STAR-to be
sent to stations July 18.  AND WHOA!!!!!  Just
discovering this as I write.....also from Gavin:
"Next up at Hot and Modern A/C(could mean Top 40
breakthrough) is XTC's I'm The Man Who Murdered Love"
on July 11.  Currently, it's doing extremely well at
A3(adult alternative in other words).  This song has a
hook that screams summer.  Just drive around with your
windows down and listen to this's
infectious, and very easy to sing-along to."  So
everybody go nuts, call your stations now for
it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Travis.


Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:19:12 EDT
Subject: Q Up for the Farsical History Tour
Message-ID: <>

John Keel writes;
>What the fuck is up with "Q" magazine putting out a list of the "100 Best
>British Albums" and NOT ONE XTC ALBUM IS ON THE LIST!!!!!!

Well, what did you expect?  It wouldn't have been any different if Rolling
Stone or any other self important industry rag would have done it.  I've
been decrying the media's treatment of XTC nearly 20 years now.  Some of
the reviews and bios I see now seem to rehash the same 'brilliant but
quirky' crap as they did then while they politely brush them under the
rug.  YOU know better.  I know better.  ALL of us here know, objectively
as well as subjectively that XTC have produced unparalleled music and
influenced music in major ways enough to warrant a place on any list of
the greats.  The truth, I believe, is they dis XTC because they won't play
ball.  So, so, so sad.  May history be kinder.  I direct your attention to
the Shaming of the True by Kevin Gilbert to get a sense of WHO is making
these decisions.

On the worst band thread -- (In my best Mick Jagger crowd control at
Altamont voice) -Payple!  Payple!  Playse, Payple!  We should all know by
now that the worst band in the world was the Shaggs!  And they were as
serious as an Ed Wood flick!
And if you're going to attack ELP (who I'm not crazy about, but truly
respect), why don't we tar and feather the great prog pretenders
Triumvirat and Carbon Castle (I meant Star Copy; or was it Star Castle)???
And thank you for laying off the Monkees!

A warm greeting to Alyssa!  Welcome aboard!  You folks be kind to her, OK?
I know how some of you can get!

Also a hearty welcome to Matt Kulak, who observes;
>To whomever suggested the term "smorgasbord" in referring to XTC's
>complete works:  great observation!!!!  I've liked every release from
>White Music to AV2.

I don't know who suggested it either, but I love the idea.  And I
completely agree, which is why I stay out of the best album fracas.

I would like to suggest a thread idea.  I think that XTC's songs can be
grouped together, like different h'orderves at a smorgasbord or a party.
It seems to me that Andy's songs, for example, come in types.  Peter
Pumpkinhead, ITMWML, Senses Working Overtime, Mayor, The Loving and such
seem to belong on the same serving tray, if you get my drift.  On the
difficult listening plate we could have Complicated Game, Travels in
Nihilon, Train Running Low on Soul Coal, etc.  Scarecrow People, Poor
Skeleton Steps Out, Shake You Donkey Up, Snowman on another, and so on.
Of course do the same with Colin's.  I'm just going to throw it out there
and let you clever madpeople do the rest, or completely ignore the idea,
which it may deserve.  Any takers?

As for this musical "debate" - Some folks like them, some don't.  I grew
up with them as an influence, and I have my favorites.  Some as total
works, such as West Side Story, some just for the music, like Carousel.  I
have played in them and for them, most recently subbing for the regular
guitarist in a local and well done production of 'The Little Shop Of
Horrors'.  My favorite ones that I have played are (get ready to gag)
Godspell and The Man Of La Mancha.  I was fortunate to learn to appreciate
them before we all got so damn jaded as to give views like Dunk's.  Some
do their job, they make me feel good or otherwise move me on some level.
I figure that's what any art is supposed to do, so I appreciate the
musical form.  I feel that the point of the songs in the narrative is that
a song will capture a feeling or a sentiment differently than straight
dialogue would do at times.  Why else do we listen to songs?  Doesn't XTC
do this????  So, maybe it seems silly to some folks, but it works for
others, including myself.  Besides, if listening to musicals influences
XTC to write and produce stuff like I Can't Own Her or Easter Theater,
then why bash them?  They have their place.

By the way, American Musicals have their roots in British musical theater,
which represents a long line of European musical influences that go WAY
back.  So don't make the mistake that it's an American innovation.

Also, a VERY special thanks to Joe Funk and Chris Vreeland.  You guys know
why!!!!!!  If any of you have not heard The Shaming of the True by Kevin
Gilbert, make it your very next purchase.  How good is it?  I haven't
listened to Wasp Star for 10 days!!!!!!!!  (Don't worry, I'll get back to

Knock knock!

Who's there?


Abyssinia who?

Abyssinia in all the old familiar places!

"My dogma ran over my karma" and "Millennium Schmilennium" -my bumper
stickers. I plan to add "We're All Light"!

Rock on!   Tom K


Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:18:28 +0200
Subject: Week 25: WaspStar has left the dutch chart
Message-ID: <>

It only managed a mere 3 weeks in 'de scherpe rand van platenland' :-(



Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:25:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Molly Fanton <>
Subject: Re: Slapping at a City on the Rebound
Message-ID: <>

This is the first time I've heard of this.  Hmm, the
Full Monty in Buffalo, why not?  I think Jack Quinn is
just overacting.  I would pay to see the show if this
happens. :)


Harrison wrote:
<<This Just In:

Lawmaker objects to ``Full Monty'' set in Buffalo>>

Molly's Pages:
My Tribute to Talk Talk & .O.Rang:


Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:49:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brown <>
Subject: Hitchcock on DVD (no xtc, pardon)
Message-ID: <>

Jill mentioned she was looking for Storefront Hitchcock on DVD.  Perhaps
other Hitchheads are on a similar quest?..  FYI, Storefront Hitchcock is
listed in Facets online catalog ($24.98).  If you've never visited Facets
before, you'll lose your mind.. a wonderful selection of unique, foreign,
art house, documentaries, etc... Good schtuff!

Their address is-

(o.k., so maybe losing one's mind is a bit of an exaggeration)

Debora 'to peek/not peak' Brown


Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:37:18 -0700
From: "Hiatt, Randy" <>
Subject: what's in a name?
Message-ID: <F34536084B78D311AF53009027B0D7EAE3DA03@FSBEX01>

Someone said:

"I have been trying to think of a cool band name for over 10 years now,
Radios In Motion is a damn good name, what do you all think?
I know its not totally original, but I wanted a name to place on my music."

Oh it's totally origional!

what about these?

Hard Drive
Edible Rex
Degrees of Alone
Allegro Stride and the Dithers
Artist Oriented Act
Hold the Mayo
Full Court Press
Pizza Mind
Unattended Baggage
Prog Rock Pond Scum
Stretch Velcro
The Noxious Fumes
Bouquet of Lies
Big Axe
Axe No Questions
The Violators
Psychic Malpractice
Emotional Blackmail
Bite the Bagel
The Flying Fishheads
The Turnips
The Skunks
Bang Zoom
The Oysters
Read My Lips
P.M.S. (a girls group)
Semi Cool
Truss Us
Manley Mann
Refuse to Shmooze
Garden Weasel
Second Skin
Tales from the Grand Union
Zuki the Mini Series
Meek and the Inheritors
Pseudo Cool
Childrenz Center
Peewee Thurman
Inner Lice
No Weigh
Elvis in Paris
Mamas Boyz
Mime Games
Girls in Diapers
Dot dot dot
Eggplant Weasel
Mime Out Loud
He said She said
Clown Alley
Kindness of Strangers
Shit for Brains
Smell the Ring
Free the Gluten
Waters of Lake Mishegas
El Binoni
A Thousand Lumps of Coal
18 Bazoukis
Rattley Mallets
Mad Carrot Disease
The Tianamin Squares
Post Burrito Depression

...but don't use my Wednesday night groups name, Bandacocks.

Randy (otherwise nameless in Seattle) Hiatt


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