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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 163

                  Saturday, 10 June 2000


                     radios in motion
                 Taking your advice, Dom
             Re: Steely Dan (No XTC Content)
        TVT Beats the Boots: The Other Shoe Drops
                      Kute Kid Story
                    Colin's Playground
              Chicago Chalkhill's Gathering
            Standing in Barrytown with Joe...
              Apologies and recommendations
                     Cranberry Sauce
                    Whispers, Whispers
            Apple Venus (the Compact Version)
                      Quick Question
               Jesu, Boy of Man's Desiring
                       Re: Opinions
                      theme arc bark


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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:41:41 -0600
From: "Joseph Easter" <>
Subject: radios in motion
Message-ID: <003401bfd220$d45fd560$a4730a3f@default>

I'm sorry, I didn't know.

Are we using our -real- names here? I'm not. Noone should, are you nuts. Be
John Doe, anonymity is a blessing.

Tonya update:

I have called off the dogs for now boys, but mark my speeches, even so much
as a slip of the tongue and you are a very unlucky hampster.

Has anyone tried calling their local lame ass radio station and requesting
ITMWML? They just shrug. I call repeatedly using different voices. I'm
telling you, it pays to be invisible.

VP Al (Sisters are doing it for themselves) Gore


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:02:51 EDT
Subject: Playground
Message-ID: <>


Is a f*cking great song!  Chuck Sabo coming on the 4& and the 1, in 4/4 time,
has a tremendous opening phrasing, ending up in crescendo on the 1 count in
the 7th measure as the rest of the band joins in the melodic and humbling
satire of the playground at grade school.

Nice references to the school bell and the doors swinging open.  Was that
Colin on the fire hydrant with a drum stick, playing 1/4 notes on the  2 and

RE: Chuck Sabo:  1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and.  You know!  He comes in at the end
of the second/beginning of the third measure and finishes his little building
blocks of drums on the 1 count in measure 7 when the whole band comes in!
Genious!  8th and 16th notes heaven for me!  Now keep the syncopations in
mind for later!  The "and's."

Gorgeous tune!  Lyrics are splendid. A solid rock number! Wonderful XTC
quality tune.  It had the right phrasing, it had a groove with some good
tension and release to it too!

I am taking my perspective, while reviewing Wasp Star, from the point of view
as a drummer, playing this album from start to finish on my drum set.  I will
post, song by song.

I have found that after playing it on the kit, after repeated listens to the
cd in the car for a week, minus concentrating on the lyrics, that I have a
much better appreciation and fondness for this album, which was for me
somewhat boring to listen to in the changer.  But on the kit, different

I was especially pleased to hear Holly's vocals on the catchy phrasing on the

One thing to note about the Square World reference:  I would have to say,
that that line refers to people who are "square."  As you know, Andy is a
four-eyed fool, like myself, and in the context of the lyrics, to me, remind
me of the bullies getting the girls. They are show-offs.  So for me, Andy's
girl was over-taken by a bully, just like mine was.

I can still see my puppy love, riding down the lane on another boy' bike-.

Chauncy in Chicago


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:59:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: nross <>
Subject: Taking your advice, Dom
Message-ID: <>

The Dominator wrote:

">>Molly, who hates defending herself all the time

Don't do it then! Go on, tell 'em all to f*** off...."


">>So much better than hearing "insane in the membrane, insane in the
brain". Folks, there ain't no way to be insane in the membrane - GOD that
song irritates the hell out of me.

Don't listen to it then! It came out over five years ago...I don't see why
you should still be plagued by it now. Of course, you're quite hideously
wrong and Cypress Hill ****ing rule, but bless yer heart anyway! And


">>People who throw their cigarette butts out of the car irritate me.  Why
must they do that? I mean, USE THE ASH TRAY. If you didn't get the ash
tray option, then your a schmuck and just rig one up... but don't friggin
cause grass fires or just plain pollute- you're making our roads look
gross. Its just so unnecessary and inconsiderate.

People who drive cars irritate me. Why must they do that? I mean, WALK YOU
LAZY ****!!! If you didn't get the legs option then your (sic) rather
unlucky...but don't run over pedestrians or just plain pollute - you're
making our roads look gross. It's just so unnecessary and inconsiderate.
Bastards. ("Oh, but our country's so big, we simply have to drive
everywhere!"....Yeah? Well f***ing move then!!!!!). Push your jam jar from
the frog and toad, my china plates."

 Okay... responses:

Dom, f*ck off! just kidding :-)

really though, Cypress Hill most definately sucks the big fat wong.

They are sooooooo f*cking bad it makes me ears burn, and me hair fall
to the ground. That particular song makes me grow big fat hairy balls
that drag along the ground. It makes me grow long hair and give up
smoking... hey, I've turned into Dom!

Hell, Dom if you like Cypress Hill, good for you, you know... but you
just can't be insane in the membrane... I suppose a virus could be in
the dura or pia matter that surrounds the brain, and that could make
you insane, but you'd still be insane in the brain, NOT the membrane.
Oh, and for that matter... "But if this ever changing world in which we
live in"... you know that line from Live and let die? ITS F*CKING

Oh... and well, stuff your jelly nuts about the car thing, okay. Its
just unecessary to throw those things out the window. And I'll never
get rid of a car... unless I live IN the city.


Nicole's internet music station:


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:25:07 -0700
From: Randy Posynick <>
Subject: Re: Steely Dan (No XTC Content)
Message-ID: <v04220800b566d33a8fb9@[]>

"Brian Young" <> said:

>  I saw Steely Dan play on Tuesday night.

check out what the san francisco examiner thought of that gig (it
ain't pretty!):

i like the phrase "a famed sexual stand-in..."

rp (a not-so-famed sexual stand-in... ok, not really...)


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:48:50 EDT
Subject: TVT Beats the Boots: The Other Shoe Drops
Message-ID: <>

TVT Records sued a few weeks ago for copyright infringement--the
first independent label to do so. To my complete astonishment, this news
occasioned absolutely no commentary on this August Forum. Now we offer this
new tidbit for your delectation, hoping that it might excite at least a brief
comment, pro or con.

Lest this be dismissed as irrelevant, please bear in mind that Chalkhills was
a major vector of news about the availability of advance copies of Wasp Star
on Napster for nearly two months before the album was generally available for

Billboard Daily Music News (

Jonathan Cohen / June 8, 2000, 11:30 a.m. EDT

TVT Files Copyright Suit Vs. Napster

Indie label TVT Records has joined the major labels in filing a
copyright-infringement suit against music file-sharing service Napster. The
action, filed Wednesday (June 7) in U.S. District Court for the Southern
District of New York, also cites as defendants unnamed universities that TVT
says have contributed to Napster's alleged unlawful actions.

Metallica, which is also suing Napster, originally named three universities
in its suit but dropped them when the schools blocked access to the service.
TVT last month filed a similar suit against

In a statement, Napster interim CEO Hank Barry says, "We at Napster are sorry
that others think the future of music will be forged in a courtroom ... We
are confident of our position in court."

Harrison "Dorsal entry" Sherwood


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:10:10 EDT
Subject: Kute Kid Story
Message-ID: <>

We gave our son his very own CD boombox for his seventh birthday
yesterday.  And because both he and his sister shown nearly obsessive
interest in the bouncier portions of Wasp Star, I threw in a copy of that
album, plus the Golden Remaster of Oranges & Lemons. (He's promised to
share this with Dad.)

So this morning, as we're doing the usual Chinese fire drill trying to get
the weiners out of the house and to the bus stop in time, I hear
"Playground" emanating from his room, rather louder than the early hour

So what does Former Punk Rocker Dad, who used to rattle his own teeth with
thrillingly loud renditions of Anarchy in the UK, whose own punk band, the
Dissident Pharisees, impoverished themselves by destroying instruments
they hadn't finished paying for, whose Fender Twin Reverb amp and Les Paul
copy once were the scourge of security goons campuswide, who blew speaker
cones like a cheap whore at a dentists' convention, yell upstairs, so help
me Cthulhu?



Who was it mentioned Fortune's Wheel the other day?

Harrison "The more things change, the more they remain things" Sherwood


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:41:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: musicals
Message-ID: <>

I think that the better musicals
have in fact produced some of the best (pre "rock")
pop music of the last century... up to about 1970
(can't help noticing that the ones Todd cites are all
from before that). After that, they've produced some
of the
worst crap ever made.

You might try Steven Sondheim. Into The Woods, Sunday
in the Park With George and Sweeney Todd are all
excellent, some of the best songwriting around.

Also check out Adam Guettel. His 'Floyd Collins' is
one of the best musicals I've ever seen, and the music
would be enjoyed by those who really got into the
orchesral music on AV1.

All the above were written after 1970, by the way.

'worst crap ever made' sounds to me like you've been
exposed to too much Andrew Lloyd Webber...


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:40:19 EDT
Subject: Colin's Playground
Message-ID: <>

I'm surprised by two things:

1. That of all the songs mentioned in all of the postings, "Playground"
doesn't get more praise. It's a solid song to open a disc (good hooks,
decent lyrics, strong musicianship) and it's very "listener-friendly."
It's very good.

2. That SO MUCH praise is given to Colin's songs. Come on guys - his stuff
is personal, but it certainly isn't terrific music. His stuff never gets
released (maybe for a reason?) and, really now, couldn't an amateur
songwriter have written the "Standing in for Joe" lyrics (not to mention
just about every other one of his songs on the past few discs.) Just read
the lyrics out loud. They sound like the came from a child's poetry
class. When you put his basic patterns up against complex stuff like
"Maypole" and "Greenman," it just doesn't compare. Does anyone really buy
these albums for his work instead of Andy's?

After listening to Apple Venus and Wasp Star, Nonsuch sounds amazing. Dear
Madam Barnum, Then She Appeared and The Disappointed are better "now" than
they were "then."



Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:51:13 EDT
Subject: Chicago Chalkhill's Gathering
Message-ID: <>

Chicago Chalkers and I gathered at the Red Lion Pub, in Chicago, Illinois on
Wednesday, June 7, 2000 for an evening of Wasp Star delight.

Thankfully, no one got stung, no one was hurt, and no one was arrested.  But
I might have had one too many pints of Guinness in such a short time for me;
due to my busy life, I could not remain at the pub for more than 2 hours, but
others (I have come to learn) hung out till way passed their bedtime!

I learned that Jamie Lowe, some chalkers may recall, got to actually see XTC
Live on three occasions: Two shows at the Park West, one XTC only and the
other with Finger Prints, and the third show at The Aragon with the Police.
You lucky BUGGER!

Jamie had many tales to tell about that experience, among others.   ( Jaime
was also  responsible for putting together this event.  Thank you Jaime!
Nice work at coordinating the gang! )

David Lake attended our gathering, and it turns out he waited in long lines
to meet XTC when they were in town in 1999, and got Andy's autograph on a
Chalkhills' release of Modern Times Nero.  Very Cool!  David, I came to
learn, scanned in that rock star's signature and used it on a CD production
of his own to include of course, nothing but XTC tunes on a CD-r.  Nice work!
 ( You all must know, that I am still in the dark ages with this kind of
technology, and these types of graphic artsy-with-Partsy stuff is in that
dark place called:  apathy...I am just lazy I guess).

Anywho, Marcus Padgett met at the pub too. I came to learn that he too is
musically inclined, but prefers the keyboards and sax (to the kit, for
example).  He has/had a band, which featured some XTC tunes, among other
music.  He is totally influenced by early XTC music, and has been a chalker
for 4 years, I believe.  Way to go man!

He too had a nice CD-r, which Colin (our bartender) graciously played for us,
while we all drank ales and regaled around XTC and filled our palettes, with
discussion of Shania Twain, d'oh!  Seriously, it was of course about XTC
music. LOL.

Bill Sherlock, who actually lived the closest to the Pub, but showed up last,
made the gathering also.  Because I had to leave early due to an early wake
up call the next day ( it's an excuse, I know).  I was disappointed at not
having more quality time to get to know him, but am sure we will all gather
again in the near future, away from a pub setting.  Because as it turned out,
Bill's cousin and I went to high school together.  Small world, eh?

Me?  I was the only bloke who wore Phil Corless' Blue XTC shirt, I will state
that for the record.  But enough about me.  Shame on the rest of you for not
expressing your allegience to the flag!  I had a great time even though my
bright-brilliant blue shirt stuck out!

Kate Burda, of Milwaukee, another Midwestern Chalker who also waited in long
lines to meet XTC in 1999, was unable to join us at the last minute.  Sorry
Kate, hopefully, we will meet soon!

The Red Lion Pub was fitting location, in the city on Lincoln Avenue.
Because it was an English pub, it made us a feel right at home at discussing
and listening to XTC.  The irony of the pub was that most of us had actually
been to the UK and to me, it felt like we should have been in a pub in

We shared great stories, had many laughs, and are entertaining the thought of
gathering again at one our residences for a barbecue, to make a moment such
as this a little more relaxing, with more XTC on the CD changer, and a better
opportunity to get to know one another.

My personal observations: I felt overwhelmed at the raw knowledge all of
these chalkers have about XTC.  I felt junior to their senior, not because I
was younger than they were (which I am) but because of their vast stock of
knowledge about XTC, their music, memorabilia, and idiosyncratic specialties
about their likes and dislikes. I was humbled in their presence and
completely respect each one of them.  And I really mean that man!

I would finally like to thank John Relph, who unwittingly is actually
responsible for bringing together some bright and talented, intellectual and
musically driven individuals to this digest, and without the digest, we would
never have met!  THANKS JOHN!

Final cudos to Wes Long:  Allegedly, he copied a 6 hour vhs tape for Jamie
Lowe, allegedly with XTC videos on it, allegedly. Of course, if you don't
know Wes has an extensive collection of schtuff, and a groovie website with
all that schtuff on it, and now we have some of his schtuff to regale with.
Thanks Wes!

Most interesting moment for me?  When Molly and I danced around the maypole
holding on to the garment from the wheel, skipping in a circular fashion in
the pub!!!

Although she wasn't there, many like Molly were present in spirit and in kind
while regaling about XTC.

John Gardner


Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 13:21:27 -0700
From: Gregory Sandoval <>
Subject: Standing in Barrytown with Joe...
Message-ID: <>


I've been perusing the recent posts and am suprised no one has mentioned
this. Then again maybe I'm just insane. Doesn't the verse melody of
"Standing In For Joe" remind you of Steely Dan's "Barrytown" from Pretzel
Logic? I know we have some other fans of the great Stevie Dan and Whatever
out there.


Steely Dan - XTC Fans
I was at the show Brian mentioned and it kicked butt! For you Steely Dan
fans out there, see this tour. Moreso than previous years, they are playing
tunes from the outer reaches of the catalog. They didn't even touch Rikki or
Reeling In The Years, opting instead for some fantastic versions of Boston
Rag and Monkey In Your Soul. Check them out. The only band I rank (ever so
slightly...) above our Swindon lads.

Colin Moulding
It can be difficult to appreciate Colin's songwriting voice when you only
hear 3-4 songs an album. I pressed a CD once called the "Colin Moulding
Songbook" that contains a bunch of his songs, as well as B-sides and what
have you. I want to update it one of these days. It really shows his
progression and complete facility with the intimate, everyday life expressed
in song. For those of you who do not find his songs on AVii to your
SUBJECTIVE liking, you have to make the imaginative leap into the mindset of
a late-forties perspective on life, love, and the magic of everyday living.
For you 20-somethings, that may be tough.

The Real Album
Has anyone yet put together what the full Apple Venus album would have felt
like were it released as one piece (the original plan)? What would the
running order be? How (wonderfully!) would the songs work together? How
complete it would feel to have these two approaches married together?

Yours in chalky bliss,
dr. beat


Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:09:40 -0400
From: "Todd Bernhardt" <>
Subject: Apologies and recommendations
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Enterworks, Inc.


M. van Rappard signed off:
> Marty "I think my first name was Martin, but Todd decided otherwise in
> his infinite wisdom" van Rappard

Oops. Thought you had referred to yourself that way. Mea culpa.

Carrie Borzillo <> let us know that
> We've written about every XTC news happening there is. (see below) And when
> they do something newsy again, we'll be writing about them again.

I think the joke earlier, Carrie, was that CDNow's e-mail generator is
not quite as up-to-date with the band's activities as you are. That
said,  Kelly Andrews <> pointed us to:
> an exclusive CDNOW Interview with XTC that we published June 2:<

Actually, it's:

Great interview, though! Thanks.

Speaking of interviews, I'd like to thank Mitch for getting Andy to
'splain just who (or what) the hell Spoofy is, during the Barnes & Noble
chat. If you missed it, go to:

Speaking of Internet stuff, those who haven't been to the Fano site need
to go there ... NOW. Andy's jingle is both funny and impressive --
great, great guitar work, esp. toward the end of the song. Take *that,*

>From Harrison:
> What we think of as Self-Referential Postmodern Irony began the day
> somebody figured out that it would be really funny if they played those
> same sleazy sax runs over the entrance of Kate Smith....

Hey, I loved her on Charlie's Angels! Then again, I've always gone for
smart women...

Ed K said, about musicals:
> I have to say I'm conflicted about this. I think that the better musicals
> have in fact produced some of the best (pre "rock") pop music of the last
> century... up to about 1970 (can't help noticing that the ones Todd cites
> are all from before that). After that, they've produced some of the worst
> crap ever made.

Two words: Stephen Sondheim.  That said, I understand and agree w/most
of your points, including your optimism re:Yazbek. If anyone can pull it
off (matron!), he can.

Last word: I recently got Tony Levin's new solo album, "Waters of Eden."
It's wonderful stuff, with a focus on composition and melody that's been
missing on many of his recent efforts w/various artists, which have
mostly explored improvisation and atmosphere. It's not very aggressive
music, especially when compared to other recent releases by bassists
(like John Paul Jones' "Zooma"), but it doesn't descend into New Age
music-to-die-by hell, either. I highly recommend this release from one
of my two favorite bassists. For more information, check out:



Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:36:55 EDT
Subject: jillion
Message-ID: <>

 bear with me here, wasps star's bad punny lyric scoffers.  Some of you do
not like silly/ punny lyrics. I think I understand why, you feel  Andy should
be more serious, I guess.   The worst , many seem to feel, off the new cd
is---- Jack and Jillion years ago.

  Did you ever stop to consider those lyrics?

   (about a zillion) years ago, Andy was obsessed with Ann Jillian (a
"star").  Today, one of his favorite things is that "You Don't Know Jack"
series.  Hmmm... so, so far we have Don't you know Jack, Ann jillion ....and
... maybe  Erica resembles Ann Jillian, so when that "dinosaur of a T.V.
"star" saw them together while she was fetching water, she felt  it was an
uncanny resemblance so she "dropped the pail,. and then....FORGET IT!!!


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:37:09 -0400
From: "Brian" <>
Subject: Cranberry Sauce
Message-ID: <006601bfd25a$e09f7760$d3e49cd1@Brian>


> read this post in a whisper:
> Psssst! Hey kid, come here. What message is being whispered halfway through
> Boarded Up?

It sounds to me like "Goodbye, Beatles."

-Brian Matthews


Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 17:59:24 -0400
From: Diamond <>
Subject: Whispers, Whispers
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Zoomastigina Records

re: Whispers, I was gonna bring this up, I think that the whisper in
Boarded Up sounds like "Remind me at home..." perhaps either one of
colin's or andy's children was bothering them about something while they
were recording, and they responded as quietly as possible, but it still
wound up on the recording. Personally, I think it's perfect in the song.
It makes it sound more real for some reason.

Also, strange occurence. I put Skylarking in for the first time in a
couple of months today, and right when The Man Who Sailed Around The
World came on, I read the post by Tyler Hewitt about said song... wacky,

Skylarking really is a great album. Fantasmic.

Kevin Diamond


Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 17:35:48 +0000
From: d-erelict <>
Subject: Apple Venus (the Compact Version)
Message-ID: <>
Organization: d-mentia!<>

I've recently made a 1-disc version of Apple Venus (for my own pleasure,
of course), and thought one or two of you might be interested in how it
came out...

Here's the track listing:
River Of Orchids
Easter Theater
Knights In Shining Karma
Standing In For Joe
My Brown Guitar
I'd Like That
The Last Balloon
Green Man
Fruit Nut
We're All Light
I Can't Own Her
Frivolous Tonight
Church Of Woman
Harvest Festival
The Wheel and the Maypole

Would've made for a fine 2 record set, if you ask me. 4 songs on each
I actually used the demo versions of Green Man and I'd Like That, as I
prefer them to the studio takes (over-produced, IMO)...

The rest of the tracks would've made for fine b-sides, IMO... I'd have
bought 2-disc versions of singles for the remaining tracks. Hope Bumper
Cars and Prince of Orange finally see the ligth of day, someday... guess
I'll have to wait for Fuzzy Warbles (is that still on? I've missed many
a digest).



Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:48:17 -0400
From: Diamond <>
Subject: Quick Question
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Zoomastigina Records

This might have already been asked once, but does anyone know why Colin
is listed first in the liner notes for AV1. I mean, I was under the
impression that they both consider Andy to be the main bandleader. So
why was he second? Any thoughts?

Kevin Diamond


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:11:23 EDT
Subject: Jesu, Boy of Man's Desiring
Message-ID: <>

In a message dated 6/8/00 2:00:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<> writes:

<< Try humming it, it's not
 greensleeves but something like Beethoven, The Beach Boys used it at the
 beginning of Lady Lynda. >>

Its Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring, by J. S. Bach.

-matt mitchell


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:31:25 EDT
Subject: Re: Opinions
Message-ID: <>

In a message dated 6/8/00 7:16:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, someone wrote:

<< Yeah ... no shit. Look, can we call an end to this "your opinions are only
 opinions" rigamarole? It seems like everytime someone dares to express an
 opinion without first neutering it with IMHO, FWIW, or some variant of "I
 probably don't know what the f*** I'm talking about," someone else attacks
 them for having the gall to express an aesthetic judgment as fact. There's

Damn it, thank you!


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:00:00 -0700
From: "Wes Hanks" <>
Subject: theme arc bark
Message-ID: <001f01bfd27f$aa144d40$20b59fce@default>


After the 81st listening of WS, here's the theme arc that occurred to me:

I concur with Harrison's position that the base element is 'this man's

Playground - childhood - first hurts

Stupidly Happy - adolescence - first loves/lusts

In Another Life - maturation - long term relationships/marriage

Boarded Up - old age - impending death/end of things

I'm The Man Who Murdered Love - spiritual/soul seek

We're All Light - realization/one's 'place' in the cosmos (albeit expressed
in a jokey manner)

Standing in for Joe - adulthood (later) lusts - temptation

Wounded Horse - adulthood (later) hurts

You and the Clouds... - maturation - acceptance/maturity of
emotional/thought  processes

Church of Women - spiritual - epiphany - joy - LOVE

The Wheel & The Maypole - final realization - cycle's conclusion - end

Roughly, the above creates a double-humped arc...

creating an image of those lovely twin mountains our Harrison pointed us to

Wes "Give a Hoot, Read a Book" Hanks


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