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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 14

                 Friday, 21 January 2000

Today's Topics:

               re: knights in shining karma
                         top 100
              Chalkhills Shirts Ordering Now
           XT-see me leap off the nearest cliff
             Happy birthday/ master lyricists
                    Which came first?
                      1000000s more
           STAR PARK is the best song of 2000!
Any Beatles/Harrison (George, not Sherwood) fans out there?
                 Gun control, also pagans
      Deb... do the neighbors slam their car doors?
                   Re: Andy on the Web
                cover for apple venus 2???
                      Trading CD's?
   the singles charts (or: who buys that crap anyways?)
                      Save the Fin!
                       Bye for now


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:52:27 EST
Subject: re: knights in shining karma

in chalkhills #6-12, david edwards asks
<Is Knights In Shining Karma more than a play on words, the bastard son of
Robert Plant's 'Now and Zen'?>

and goes on to say
<In Buddhism, 'bodhisattvas' (literally 'great-hearted/great-minded beings')
are people who, over many years (and many rebirths!) have developed their
love and compassion to a level where they devote every thought and every
action to the well being of other living creatures.>

and furthermore
<They are knights in that they are noble, fearless, selfless, heroic and
their armour is indeed love - without love they are said to be powerless to
do any good at all.>

i completely agree with your interpretation of this. but also, in keeping
with the whole greenman kind of vein, he could be referring to the knight
who is pure of heart. gareth or gawain... someone looked into the holy
grail and was transported to the summerland or something... scuse my
forgetfulness, but i've got a mind like a steel sieve...

but i digress. arthurian legend corresponds the knights of the round table
to the ladies of the lake- morgan, etain, nimue, guinevere, etc... the
knights were protectors, but also fighters and spiritual journeymen (the
holy grail quest, yadda yadda yadda). and the ladies of the lake, as well
as the kights of the round table, each embody and represent a certain
quality or characteristic which is one aspect of human experience and
emotion. in conjunction with each other, they represent the whole
spirit. so there, i suppose, is another possible interpretation.

perhaps the knights and the karma/dharma references are a
mythological/spiritual cross-polination?
and perhaps these knights are really the karma police...

backing away slowly,


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:22:19 -1000
From: "Jim Smart" <>
Organization: ksbe
Subject: top 100

>What else is missing here?

Well, the Kinks only have one song on there, and it's You Really Got Me.
I think that's a problem, when All Day and All of the Night, Waterloo
Sunset, Sunny Afternoon, and even the dreaded Lola didn't make the list.
It's a similar thing for Van Halen...their worst hit (Jump) is on there.
I'm no big fan, but I'd like to see Dance the Night Away or something...
Not to mention the obvious lack of XTC or much at all from the 80s and
90s. I don't see why the Mayor of Simpleton isn't on there. If that's
not one of the top 100 songs in rock, then I'll eat my mouse.



Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:19:03 -0700
From: Phil Corless <>
Subject: Chalkhills Shirts Ordering Now

The new Chalkhills shirts are ready for ordering!

I am now able to accept credit cards through CCnow, a great
company that I've been using at eBay over the past year.

All information is at:

Deadline for ordering is February 4, 2000.  Remember, these are
custom-ordered shirts....



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:25:44 EST
Subject: XT-see me leap off the nearest cliff

A brief and rare emergence from Lurkersville.

So I'm shopping at the local supermarket being body checked by maniacal,
cart wielding senior citizens, when suddenly I recognize the insipid musak
rendition that's playing over the intercom. Now, if I'm lucky I might hear
an XTC song twice a year on any of the New York area radio stations. Even
my regular station of choice, WFUV, which does a good job of providing all
too needed airplay for cool and diverse talents such as Richard Thompson,
Ani DiFranco, Rufus Wainwright, Tom Waits, Aimee Mann, Matthew Sweet,
etc., as well as groups like Gomez and Moxy Fruvous, paid considerably
less attention to AV1 than I'd have expected, and certainly less than was
warranted. Adding insult to injury, I not only have to endure the
unconscious, inconsiderate masses while procuring my groceries (I'm
telling you... these old ladies are bad asses), but I also have to hear
the musak version of "Mayor Of Simpleton" while doing it.

Just shoot me now.

Jeff Fariello (


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:18:10 EST
Subject: Happy birthday/ master lyricists

In a message dated 01/19/2000 1:32:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<> writes:

> XTC baffles will protect my speakers while
>  I play XTC through them.

That would leave you baffled right?.....sorry

I must take a sec and say happy 20th birthday to "the wall" today 01-19-00
Roger Waters indeed created one of the masterpieces of our time.  Those
special people who can craft lyrics so powerfully remain rare.  Listed are
my favorite lyricists listed in no particular order.  As you can see the
styles are diverse so my fav depends on what I'm in the mood for.

Andy Partridge
Roger Waters
John Hiatt
Lyle Lovett

How about you guys/girls?



Message-Id: <v04003a00b4ac1cb5123e@[]>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:20:22 -0500
From: maggie jungwirth <>
Subject: Which came first?


Gary G. offered;
of the possible AV2 songs (and love them I do), none seem to strike me as
the hard-rocking songs one has been led to expect from pre-release
publicity.  Is it just me?  Sure, Playground will offer some fine
guitars...but what else?

What songs?  Precisley my question a bit ago - can some of you who know the
AV2 material please tell us something of what to expect?  Share with us,
any info would be appreciated....

I've recently become enamored with The High Llamas- any other Llamas fans?
Very Brain Wilson "Smile" and catchy.  What bit I read about them described
their album "Hawaii" as pop/orchestric.  Hmmm sounds familier...but it
predates AV1 by a few years I think, '96.  Has anyone ever heard Andy
mention them?

under mats of flower lava


Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:19:21 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: 1000000s more

first off, i'd like to thank all the chalkmates who emailed me in private
to say how much they enjoyed my analysis of "mill-eyuns". it was fun to
express the feelings that the song gives to me. more than a few have said
that my scribblings about the song has made them go back and listen to it
again (you know who you are!). wow, the power of the pen, er, keyboard, um,
word, ah...

to chalkmaster john relph, i _have_ found myself "singing snatches of it at
odd hours"... and at even hours, too... sometimes, i just love to sing that
very word, just like andy does; "mill-eyuns". here in toronto, we have a
sizable chinese population (which is growing exponentially) and whenever
i'm in chinatown, i just can't help myself from singing those lines,
"mill-eyuns, all moving forward..."

however, i really don't feel that my little critique has done the song any
justice, for a number of reasons. one of those reasons is that i'm not a
technically accomplished musician - just a hacker who can kinda, sorta bang
out simple rock 'n' roll tunes on a shitty ol' geetar, so long as there
ain't nothing fancier than major or minor chords in them thar simple tunes
- so some of my observations were lacking in the proper terminology. as
well as that, i left out an observation or two along the way, such as
colin's rubbery bass sounding, at least to me anyway, like it's going
"bar-room-dee - bar-room-da" during the verses.

another thing, too, is that sometimes i'll think in my head how a section
goes, but when i listen to that it later, i've got it completely wrong. as
an example, during the chorus, i thought that colin's bass line mirrored
the vocal line exactly in unison, but i was surprised to hear a subtle
little variation underneath the lines, "he make you glowing/he bake you
golden". andy goes up on the word "you" and comes down on "glowing/golden",
but colin does the reverse by playing down on "you" and coming up under
"glowing/golden". my point is that even after numerous listens, the song
still surprises me.

in addition, there are parts of the song that still puzzle me, even after
thousands of listens. take terry's drumming, f'rinstance. it sounds so
simple and he seems to be playing just a repetative pattern, but there are
some things that are happening that i just can't figure out exactly what he
is doing! some of his playing is buried in the mix and some of the rhythms
seem to be implied rather than obvious. also, the pattern changes somewhat
during the chorus to what seems like a doubling of the tom-tom hits that
are played.

likewise, all the different guitar parts perplex me, too. there's just far
too much going on at any given moment to fully dissect what andy and dave
are really playing. again, some of the parts are buried while others are
implied, too. on top of this, many of the chords have odd voicings, which
is something i could never figure out. guitar playing for me is like, "is
it a major or a minor chord? it's a what?
b-flat-demolished-with-a-raised-eyebrow?!? oh, nevermind!"

some of the chords and guitar parts have a chiming/twangy ring to them due
to the combination of the voicing of the notes in the chords and the
saturation of reverb, while other parts are as dry as week-old bread, such
as that "pseudo-chinese" riff (which andy dismissed as "sort of
yangtse-doodle-dandy" - man, he does make me laugh!) on the left and the
part on the right during the "bright, so bright and yet they come from oh
so far away" riff. granted, some of these things are down to steve
lillywhite's and hugh padgham's production and engineering tricks, but
still andy and dave created the parts for steve and hugh to dress them up in.

perhaps i bit off more than i could chew, to use a cliche, by trying to
analyze such a complex song with such a feeble little brain like mine, but
the more i listen to this song and learn from it, the more it reveals and i
discover i still have more to learn about it.

even "river of orchids", which is also very rich and densely textured with
detail, doesn't puzzle me as much as "millions" does. it is pure genius!

btw, in case anyone was wondering; yes, i did listen to "mill-eyuns", oh,
probably "mill-eyuns" of times while writing this and the previous episode.
my memory is pretty good for remembering details, but it ain't that good!

 peace & xtc,



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:24:29 -0900
From: Patrick M Adamek <>
Subject: STAR PARK is the best song of 2000!

In Chalkhills #6-12 Wes Long wrote:

^^^I hate the Stonesa|.but can't really argue with "Satisfaction" being
^^^gotta pick something #1.

    My question:  do you really?  I have always found it peculiar that
we Americans need to rank everything all of the time.  Someone recently
told me that it has to do with our need for determine
which is "best."  I have no quarrel with anyone who has a favorite
song.  One's personal opinion about their own likes and dislikes is
something that they are entitled to.  However, to suggest that one song
(or one person, one athlete, one artist or one album) is THE best is a
ridiculous concept to me.

    When I was younger, I used to think of lists of my current favorite
song.  I recall that "Strawberrry Fields Forever" held the top spot for
a while, as well as "I Am The Walrus," but the list always changed.  If
I considered which was my favorite song right now, it would be
"Millions" by XTC (thanks David Oh for your description of this gave me a chance to listen to this song with a new
perspective).  Last week it was "Millenium Blues" by Matthew Sweet.
These facts may only be important to me, but they are much more
significant (to me) than anyone else's idea of "THE BEST" song of the

    While I've got your attention, I received in the mail today the XTC
School Guide from and after only one listen...I have to say
that it is the very first time that I did not really like something that
they did.  The tracks are very rough (both in style and in recording
quality) and I chose to listen to it for the first time during a drawing
class that I am taking.  We bring in CDs to play in the background while
we draw, and often it is a good opportunity to listen to less
listened-to bands (in hopes that someone in the class will develop an
interest in it....can anyone think of a band that would fit this
description?).  I picked up the CD from my mailbox on the way to class
and since no one else brought any CDs on this night, we listened to STAR

     Some fellow students inquired as to what it was, and I told them
"XTC."  SOme of them had vaguely heard of XTC, and so it was sort of
embarassing for them to hear "Star Park" because it is not exactly
representative of what XTC is about.  The music sounds as if it might
have been recorded in a garage on a casette open air recorder.  An early
version of Neon Shuffle is included which was of mild interest but also
on the CD is the thoroughly embarassing (from an XTC evangelist
perspective) "Do You Really."  This sounds like maybe Andy's first
attempt at a rock song and has all of the enduring qualities of "Cross

    Despite some dissapointments with the music, the book included was
well done.  Meant as a full career review and discography, it delivers
and includes some interesting pictures also!

    So anyway, I hope that this CD is one that will "grow on me" with
repeated listens but so far it doesn't look too good.

   Love ya,

   Patrick Adamek
   Juneau, Alaska


Subject: Any Beatles/Harrison (George, not Sherwood) fans out there?
Message-Id: <0006800019286223000002L032*@MHS>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:14:50 +0100

Hi and Happy New Whatever, "Kreideberger",

Yeah, I haven't written in eons and you all missed me (right!), and now my
first mail for weeks is *off-topic*.  Hopefully, the new-millennium
Chalkhills police won't come around at night and lynch me.

What I need is some help from a Chalkhiller who happens to also be a
George Harrison and/or Beatles fan.  You see, I lent someone 8 CDs quite
awhile back -- and he lost them!  And, in the hope that somebody out there
a) *has* these CDs, and b) would be prepared to burn copies of them for
me, the list of CDs that have been lost (hopefully only temporarily) is as

George Harrison:
All Things Must Pass - 1970, 2 CDs
33 1/3 - 1976
George Harrison - 1979
Cloud Nine - 1989
When We Was Fab - 1989, CD single
Live in Japan - 1990, 2 CDs

Free As a Bird - 1995, CD single
Real Love - 1996, CD single

I would buy them again, except some of them are way out-of-print, some are
very expensive, some are supposedly going to be reissued soon-ish, and
anyway, if I actually bought them again, my buddy would suddenly find my
old ones and I'd then have two full-price versions in my collection (to go
along with the LPs I have of most of them), which would be a bit much.

If you think you can help me, please reply to me off-list at my e-mail
address and we can work out the details of payment etc.

XTC content?  Two of my Christmas presents to myself were the CD of "Drums
and Wires" and my first-ever copy of "Waxworks".  Love 'em both!
Especially the alternate versions of "This is Pop" and "Are You Receiving
Me".  Now I've gone back to listening to "White Music" and "Go2" -- great

Alles Gute from Germany -

- Jeff


Message-Id: <v04220802b4ac04579571@[]>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:57:40 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Gun control, also pagans

At 7:59 AM -0800 1/19/00, <> wrote:
>  > I will not challenge your choice of how many abortions
>  > and firearms to have. I agree to acknowledge, however
>  > grudgingly, that the numbers you have selected are
>  > right for you.
>  >
>  > And you, however grudgingly, do the same for me.
>Sorry, I can't do that. I can agree that we disagree, but I cannot sit on my
>hands and watch people die because the United States is obsessed with
>firearms. I will continue to support gun control legislation, and will
>continue to support non-violent conflict resolution. Guns are not the answer
>to our insecurity, communication and education is. In the meantime,
>legislation will do.
>When we can all agree that the general population doesn't NEED things like:
>handguns, plastic guns, teflon coated bullets, semi-auto guns that can
>easily be "converted" to full auto, and all the other crap that the NRA has
>fought tooth-and-nail to protect over the years... Then I'll gladly give up
>gun control. Because we won't need it.

   I can agree that I don't NEED any kind of gun myself,(at least so
far I've lived without one just fine)and it's quite possible that
most people not in law enforcement or the armed forces don't NEED a
gun in their possession. I've found through occasional research on
the subject(though I'm far from an expert)that for the most part the
gun laws currently on the books are NOT BEING ENFORCED. Yet the
politicians in Washington are feverishly talking about more gun laws
and for what- so they can not enforce the new laws too? I'm all for
gun control if the laws are enforced. Where I live in Vermont one of
our two Libertarian state representatives has started a class action
suit against the local constables the state pays to do background
checks on gun applications on the grounds that many times they turn
down applications on the basis of inaccurate or outdated
information(such as a twenty-five year old misdemeanor charge
mistakenly entered as a felony), and once a citizen is turned down
it's all but impossible to contest it without suing the state. Which
is exactly what rep. Randall is doing on behalf of some of these
applicants. The FBI, on the other hand, does these background checks
free of charge by computer, it's done in mere minutes, and the
information is far more likely to be accurate.(the idea is that the
FBI should have been doing this in the first place)
   The point is, most gun owners in my state are bending over
backwards to comply with the law, and the way the background check
situation is set up it's very difficult to rectify if someone made a
mistake entering information on the computer at one point. I'm sure
those of you who don't think anyone should have a gun for any reason
don't care, but hey- no matter how you yell till you're blue in the
face we won't have a gun-free America anytime soon. What you can do,
if you're so morally superior, is be a shining example to the rest of
us and show us how we should live. I'm being serious, not sarcastic.
As Frank N' Furter said- "Don't dream it, be it." If you don't like
the movie that's on your VCR, take it out and put in another tape.
I've learned the hard way you can't change the world, you can only
change yourself, and if you change yourself enough, you'll find that
enough people change along with you. You can only affect those you
come into immediate contact with, and sometimes the results won't
come about until you've already moved on and are not there to see it
   I won't deny I have an agenda, as a liberty-leaning person the
phrase "It's a free country" is my agenda. You have a trade-off, a
free society isn't necessarily a safe society. Though I like being
safe as much as anybody, I like my freedom even more, and if I have
to choose it's no contest.
  XTC content- I'm starting graduate studies in comparitive religion
this semester(on the way to a Master in Theology), and one of my
classes is on the goddess tradition, most specifically as found in
the pre-Christian pagan religions. It's fascinating stuff; in the old
goddess religions gods and goddesses were invoked side by side, in
conjunction with the natural phenomena familiar in daily life. It was
in this time that Andy's famous Green Man thrived as a nature god.
Though most deities were goddesses, male-type gods were kinder and
gentler than the forbidding sky-gods that eventually gave rise to
Christianity as we know it today. Yet certain aspects of the old ways
continue to manifest even in Christianity; most of the myths, legends
and fairy tales we grew up with show elements of the nature
religions. So far this course has helped me understand why so many
musicians are attracted to the nature religions, the imagery is so
rich, regardless of whether it's used for its own sake or worshipped.

Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at

"A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has 10
GREAT laws.  A Good law protects me from you.  Laws against murder, theft,
assault and the like are good laws.  A Poor law attempts to protect me
from myself."  - Unknown


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:40:53 -0800 (PST)
From: nross <>
Subject: Deb... do the neighbors slam their car doors?

In response to "Debra Edmonds" <>
Subject: Respectable Road

>Hi Chalkies

Have any of you ever thought about moving here to Swindon?  Nah, I
thought not - nothing much to tempt you here I guess, except for the
odd sighting!!

Well, maybe this will do it?  The house one door away from Andy's has
just come up for sale! <

About a year ago I was looking for at "alternative" science jobs in
England and I saw the most awesome job available in Swindon. My God...
it was just what I wanted... had to deal with writing and education,
and public relations... it was a dream job for me ! If I had been
anywhere near to graduation, I would have forced my hubby to move back
to England. The fact that the location was Swindon I found extremely
humorous... I don't think my husband would have appreciated it. He's
most certainly NOT an XTC fan.

Still don't know when I'll get out of my 6-year stint in
science-limbo... but, hey... anyone got a public relations job
opening... I've no experience in the area... but I'll have written many
a wonderful science abstract, or journal paper... and, hey! I published
an article in my sorority alumnae magazine... that should  account
for... zero!

- With respect from a wonderful snowy neighborhood in Maryland!

Nicole's internet music station:


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:54:44 -0800
From: "Dane Pereslete" <>
Subject: Re: Andy on the Web

On the tvgohome site there is a link to "The Onion" which Chalkies may also enjoy!
Very strong resemblance between the two sites...


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:42:44 EST
Subject: cover for apple venus 2???

het people

   On the cover for av2 it should have;  the peacock with 1 feather missing.
   Or, an "arse" view of a peacock, one feather missing,band-aid on missing
space.  eddie


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:03:00 -0800
Subject: Trading CD's?
From: "Diamond" <>

I meant to do this a while ago, but I keep forgeting...

I bought a copy of Guided by Voices : Bee Thousand, and I hate it. Sorry,
everyone, but I don't find any merit in it at all. I still haven't gotten
all the way through it, although I've tried. If anyone wants to trade me
some CD for it, please write me to see if I'm interested. I'm extremely
interested in any Martin Newell stuff (other than Greatest...) or any
Cleaners From Venus stuff. If anyone is interested in hearing these guys,
don't be shy. Just because I don't like 'em don't mean it' bad. Take a
chance, it (usually) works out for the best. that's how I got into XTC.
"You talking to me?"


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:25:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: the singles charts (or: who buys that crap anyways?)

I really don't have anything intersting or insightful
to add to the ongoing argument over pop singles
charts, music awards, etc. But that's never stopped me
before has it?

I worked at Tower Records in Ann Arbor a few years ago
while preparing for graduate school. Most of my time
there I was the store's singles buyer (which is an
incredibally good position to have if you like being
sent free cd's by major music distributors).
As singles buyer, I was supposed to know the top 40
Billbiard charts well, know the songs, etc. Well,
guess what-I did that job for over two ears and never
ONCE listend to any of the shit on the top 40! I
recognized the titles and names of artists, but had no
idea what the songs themselves sounded like. It was
fairly humorous at times. A record rep would call me
up and ask what I thought of such and such a single
they had sent me, and I'd always lie and say I thought
it was good, and order a few copies (Singles at Tower
are an unbudgeted department, so I had free reign).
Then, pleased with my response, they'd ask me what
else they could send me.  No one seemed to think it
odd that I always asked for stuff like Philip Glass,
Steve Reich, Hendrix reissues, Los Lobos, world music,
never the crap they were trying to sell me. I managed
to amass a HUGE cd collection (i sold a couple of
hundred cd's before moving to Chicago without making a
noticible dent in my collection) without once
listening to vapid top 40 crap.

Anyways, I agree with whoever claimed that the singles
market is aimed towards 15 year old girls. I worked at
Tower right at the end of the grunge thing, so it was
a little different then, but not much. The big
difference for me was working in a college town. Top
40 singles did not do well there for the most part.
Pearl Jam and Oasis import singles did, and so did
club music-techno, oldies disco, etc. I easily sold 3
or 4 hundred copies of that horrid dance remix of
Everything But the Girl's 'Missing' (which is a good
song on a GREAT album if you avoid the dance remix


Message-ID: <>
Date: 20 Jan 00 20:04:21 PST
From: vee tube <>
Subject: Save the Fin!


      (that's Fintasian for S.O.S.)

  A while back ago,some guy called 'Monick'
offered a bunch of cassettes for free,I thought,

             Why Not!?

  Well, he sent me some stuff,one of them was Andy
 on a show called 'Loves Lines' I didn't have a clue
   as to what this was when I asked him for it.

  It seems to be Andy on some Califorinian early 80's
 radio station talking about why 14 year old girls shouldn't
 let 16 year old boys touch them.It's sorta like Dr.Laura
 before there was a Dr.Laura.

  It was very disturbing! Andy was being a kind hearted soul
    on what seemed to be a very rude radio show.

   Anyway, Mr.Monick sent me a few other things and I would
         like to do the same for him but...

...I don't think I have anything in my whole collection that
 would come close to 'Lovelines' And I've lost his E-dress.

    If anyone can help please E me off post.




Message-Id: <s888170c.048@OAG.STATE.TX.US>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:21:18 -0600
From: "Steve Oleson" <>
Subject: Bye for now

It is with regret that I have to unsubscribe from Chalkhills. I really have
enjoyed getting to "know" many of you; I have been entertained and inspired
by you many times. Unfortunately, work and a side project are clamoring for
my attention.

I will be back! (yikes, reminds me of Men at Work at the Grammys years ago)

I will look in from time to time, and hope to resubscribe around Christmas

Take care, all!

Steve Oleson
Austin, TX


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