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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 122

                  Thursday, 18 May 2000


                        Re: Satori
                      Rolling Stone
       The Rezillos/Revillos and (non)such (No XTC)
                   Rats paws vs. demos
                        The "Pist"
                  WS is a Mover & Shaker
       next project -- Little Express/Idea Records
                  oh boy, is this great
                  One Banana Two Banana
                  Dance with me, Germany
       cooking channel chalkie in your living room
   We Saw Jerry's Daughter With The Clash Doing Trivia!
                *SLIGHT* Lyrical spoilers
                    Ah, the Rezillos!
        Bridge Over Troubled AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: pancho artecona <>
Subject: Re: Satori
Message-ID: <>

Allright, Billy was a mountain and Ethel was a tree
growing on its shoulder. I'm not really sure how that
relates to Harrison's A's and B's but I guess it makes
it more of a mountain then......I'm Billy Carl Black
and I'm the indian of the group.

An old buddhist maxim says that before Satori a
mountain is a mountain and a river is a river, on the
way to Satori a mountain is a river and a river is a
mountain, and after Satori a mountain is a mountain
and a river is a river.

In my last post I failed to mention the thrill of
occasionally reading stuff from R. Stevie Moore on
this list. I feel like I am rubbing cyber elbows with
greatness! This leads me to a hearty recommendation of
his work for those of you talking about little known
great bands who haven't had the pleasure. He's among
the great ones.

That's it until I remember what else I have forgotten.

Pancho XPRXTCFAN (aka Mete Dedo)

PS- new name for a band   'The Bloody Stools'


Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:17:03 +0100
Subject: nonsvch
Message-ID: <>

hi all,personally I think its their best.dave mattocks really made the
songs bounce from the speakers,no shame on terrywho was just as robust
on black sea.highlight for me is the gregory/partridge duelling solos
on books are burning but every track on this awesome album will stay
with me dj said he couldnt understand why xtc werent
huge,then again,who cares.thats their magic attraction.

best wishes from, dave.


Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:20:14 -0400
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <>
Subject: Rolling Stone
Message-ID: <>


Here's a review from that bastion of "eh," "Rolling Stone" magazine:


Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:00:31 +0100 (BST)
From: Rory Wilsher <>
Subject: The Rezillos/Revillos and (non)such (No XTC)
Message-ID: <>

Yes, I remember them. Originally The Rezillos, the
name changed after multiple line-up changes and . . .
hey guess what? Wanting to be released from
contractual obligations! Sounds familiar? Interesting
that they got away with only changing one letter. Big
hit with "Top Of The Pops" as The Rezillos, and also
"Destination Venus". I believe I'm right in saying
that Jo Callis, guitarist with The Rezillos line-up,
later resurfaced as a member of The Human League, for
at least one album (Dare). Slight image shift!

Also, Phil Corless mentioned Joboxers: one-and-a-half
hit wonders (Boxerbeat and . . . errrr . . . another
song). I saw them live as the support act for (I
think, if memory serves) Eurythmics, way back when
Eurythmics had only had a few hits - "Who's That Girl"
was in the charts at the time. Summer 1983. Ah, good
times, good times.

And Black  "Wonderful Life"? that's all I remember
what else did they (he?) do?

Rory "Stop making me feel old" Wilsher

p.s. Just remembered  second Joboxers song was "Just
Got Lucky"

p.p.s. Tom Kingston  I'd like you to meet my friend
Short Post. Short Post, meet Tom. I hope (I REALLY
hope!) you two can get along together.



Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:29:59 -1000
From: "Jim Smart" <>
Subject: Rats paws vs. demos
Message-ID: <>
Organization: 3Tripper

Tom (edit this!) K. wrote: "I have not heard any of WS yet, and I am really
nervous about having heard Andy's demos now from reading the reactions.  I
heard AV1 before I heard any of the demos, and I didn't care for the AV1
demos at all for the most part.  ..(cut)... I LOVE the solo on the Church
of Women demo, and from what I've read I'm in for a shock.  Time will

I've heard both - the demos and the finished Wasp Star. I recently went
back to the demos, and was struck by how dull they are compared to the
final product.  There's all sorts of exciting little touches scattered like
sprinkles on a cupcake all through the album. Little drum bits or lyric
bits or guitar bits that just weren't there before. I think it was
Mrs. Potts who said "there may be something there that wasn't there
before". Just the way Andy sings the syllable "verb" on the line "thunder
in your head can still reVERBerate" is enough to thrill me.

Oh, and Church of Women? I liked the solo better on the demo. But the
*song* was a little dull. On Wasp Star it really blossoms, shines, and
whatever other happy adjective you want to think of. Bottom line: it's a
stronger song now, one of the best on Wasp Star, but as a demo it didn't
stand out to me at all (except for the guitar solo).  Bottomer line: Wasp
Star is better than the demos.

And the worst hazard of getting the demos is the unavoidable second
guessing about which songs are chosen and how they are produced. I shudder
to think of my life if I hadn't heard The Ship Trapped in the Ice, but I
can't understand why it didn't make the can this be? how can
this be? So maybe I'd be more, um, at peace (?) if I hadn't heard any of
that. Maybe I'd be happier with Wounded Horse, which is like a skit on
Saturday Night Live where everybody "gets" the joke in the first 20
seconds, but the skit goes on (without variation) for a full 5 minutes. It
does have one redeeming quality (not on the demo), on the second bridge
when Colin (?) sings "like it does in fairy stories", which is a wonderful
psychedelic that drips in the background.

Jim "and why does he switch from the horse imagery to the boat imagery on
the bridge?" Smart


Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:34:52 -0400
Subject: Frizlab
Message-ID: <004c01bfc058$83d6a300$29e17ad1@default>

> Frisell just did a mostly-instrumental version of Costello's latest album
> with Burt Bacharach. I haven't heard it, but I have two other Frisell CDs
> which are quite an enjoyable listen. He's kind of a twangy jazz rock
> guitarist who emphasizes texture and atmosphere over speed and technical
> precision. He's normally found in the jazz bins, but that's a bit
> misleading.

I'm a Frisell fan, so I think I'm not being unfair when I say it's not that
great an album.  I would have liked him to reimagine the songs more, and
stick in some more surprising solos (as he did to wonderful effect on his
album "Have a Little Faith").  Costello fans will probably still want it for
the alternate vocal version of "Toledo", which includes a final verse that
was cut out on the original version.  For Frisell exploration, my
recommendation (besides the aforementioned "Have a Little Faith") is his
early-ish album "Is That You?", recorded back when he his sound was more
experimental and less rootsy, as he's mostly sticking to nowadays.  He's
great at the Americana-sounding stuff, but it doesn't have as much variety
for me.

In other stuff to keep you busy till the 23rd, some of you might like to
know that Stereolab has just released a new "mini-album" (it's 39 minutes
long!  What's "mini" about that?  Seems like an album to me) called "The
First of the Microbe Hunters".  I think I might prefer it to their recent
"Cobra and Phases..."  It sounds a bit looser, like they were having more
fun with it.

-- Francis

"Bells!  I can hear bells!"
  -- David Byrne & Robert Fripp


Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:46:26 -0700
From: "Jeannie" <>
Subject: The "Pist"
Message-ID: <>

Ray said, referring to Andy on the "List",

I wish they put him on with at least ONE semi-hip adult,
possibly somebody else who has been in the music biz as long as

Amen to that. You'd think they'd have a clue.

I have an idea for a new "List" episode theme:  "the most
under-appreciated band in history"

hmmmm, I know what MY first choice would be!



Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:45:17 -0700
From: Craig Vreeken <>
Subject: WS is a Mover & Shaker
Message-ID: <>

According to's Movers and Shaker's list, Wasp Star is the #1
mover as of today (5/17), increasing 1,760%.  It is now number 5 on their
best seller list, moving up from #93 yesterday.  This is based on
pre-release orders.  So what happened between yesterday and today?
Whatever happened, it worked, because people are pre-ordering this album in
droves, apparently.  Everyone who logs on to Amazon sees the album on the
homepage, so that will probably increase sales as well.

In regard to the OTHER list, namely, VH1's list, I will look forward to
seeing this with Andy, but it is a very lame show.  Especially when one of
the panelists can veto the other panelist's choices.  As the panel usually
includes at least one idiot, perfectly appropriate choices are deleted from
the list on a regular basis.  Usually this is based on some bizarre
personal preference that has no relevance whatsoever to the topic of the

I saw one show (I think it was the one where Dear God was mentioned by
someone) where the topic was most rebelious song.  Someone chose The Who's
"My Generation," which pretty much typifies the category.  One panelist, a
rap artist, vetoed the song because he had never heard of it, or something
like that.

Another show's topic was the most influencial rock band.  The Beatles were
vetoed because one panelist felt that they "weren't rock."  Huh?

Imagine, if you will, The List based on literature, with the topic as the
greatest writers of the English Language.  I nominate William Shakespear,
but idiot teenage celebrity vetoes it because "I just don't get that stuff.
 It's boring."  That about sums it up.
Craig Vreeken


Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:15:52 +0100
From: "Steven Paul" <>
Subject: next project -- Little Express/Idea Records
Message-ID: <006d01bfc023$a4eac1a0$>

I noticed on e-bay a tape copy of Jules Verne's Sketchbook and a tape copy
of The Bull with the Golden Guts.  Then I read Joe Funk's posting in Digest
6-117 regarding whether Fuzzy Warbles will ever get made -- because of
problems with Virgin Records.   It occurred to me that there may be a
possibility for Idea Records to buy the licencing rights to those
productions from Little Express and re-issue them on CD through Cooking
Vinyl and TNT (or whoever else Idea wants to use).

I'm a lawyer but know nothing about intellectual property and rights like
these.  Unless LE has somehow pirated the rights to the demos published on
Jules Verne and Bull w/the Golden Guts, then another company with some
resources could easily purchase the rights and issue those releases to the
hungry few who don't already have high quality versions of those songs.

If anyone knows any attorneys who practice in intellectual property,
especially the music industry, maybe they can look into it and pass word
onto Andy and Colin.   I'll see what I can do.

A while ago someone submitted a proposal that we each pitch in a grand to
produce the next album.  Well, I wouldn't probably do that, but I may be
willing to buy a few shares of Idea Records, Inc. at the initial public
offering ("IPO") - should that happen -- to put some money in the coffers to
purchase said rights from LE.


Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:26:45 -0700
From: "Wes Hanks" <>
Subject: oh boy, is this great
Message-ID: <000001bfc068$27c7cac0$37b59fce@default>


WS sales rank at Amazon as of Wed evening, Sales Rank: 5

Wes "Yes, I remember *all* of those bands" Hanks


Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:58:59 EDT
Subject: One Banana Two Banana
Message-ID: <>

>From Molly:

Someone also mentioned that there should be an XTC
Monkee tribue.  What songs do you think they should
do?  Dom look away, since I know you don't like long
lists. :P  Here's what I would put on my list.

It was me. The only songs missing from your list are The Girl I Knew
Somewhere (perfect for Colin or Andy) and You Just May Be The One. Add in
Going Down just for fun--I'd love to hear Andy or Colin do this scat Mose
Allison on speed tune!

While they're at it maybe someone can convince Andy to do a cover of the La,
La, La song by the Banana Splits! (The ultimate bubblegum song).

Wayne - I'm getting kick backs from Michael Nesmith - Klein


Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:17:12 PDT
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Dance with me, Germany
Message-ID: <>

Harrison - I'm utterly with you on Techno. As far as I'm concerned, it's
electronic polka music. Only bagpipes could make it worse. It doesn't swing,
and it has no groove. There is nothing "unhip" about not liking it. It's

To paraphrase Zappa, it's music created by people who can't play, for people
who can't dance.

BTW - I have a recurring musical nightmare - that one of my children will
grow up to become the accordion player in a Christian country music band.


Nurse - it's time for my injection!



Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:07:28 EDT
Subject: cooking channel chalkie in your living room
Message-ID: <>

May said:

<< Television, I believe, is salvaged ONLY by one channel - THE COOKING

  Pretty true, as i have come to agree during the last year or so. I enjoy
the iron chef. and "hot off the grill" with Bobby Flay (and his sister
Sue)...Good Eats is great too!

  but  i mostly like to watch " emeril live", and was lucky enough to win
tickets to the show.  Taped on St. Valentines Day, the show i attended will
be on june 4th . pretty good bleacher seats, and an easy way to have a
chalker over to your house. if anyone cares to watch, i'll send in who to
look for.

 getting down to business, someone posted movers and shakers at amazon. when
i checked earlier today, it was ranked 7.      2 hours later it was 5.
  I feel so proud of this factoid!    eddie


Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:36:44 -0700
From: "Radiosinmotion" <>
Subject: We Saw Jerry's Daughter With The Clash Doing Trivia!
Message-ID: <000901bfc07a$5464d2a0$0200a8c0@digitalpc>

Anyone here the latest ummm... Rumor? hmmmm?  about The Clash?  Supposedly
they are getting together for a show for Dury.  If this is true, that would
be cool if it sparked the old boys to do a tour again.  Even if they don't,
I love what Strummer and Mick have done solo!

The Cult > Good
Midnight Oil > Damn Good
Voice Of The Beehive >Also Really Good
School Of Fish > Oh Yeah, The Be Good Too!
Red Hot Chili Peppers > Bad.  Sorry, but its true.  Pre Mothers Milk was
fine, but afterwards they really got bad.  All their songs sound like
another remake of Under The Bridge or Give It Away...

Hey, anyone remember Mary's Danish?

Trivia: What movie superstar was not only a big fan of punk/new wave, but
also hung around a lot of the L.A. groups at their gigs, etc?  If you try
and say Chet (Bill Paxton to some, but Chet to us kids of the 80's) and his
group Martini Ranch, you will be wrong.  Not talking about the guy from
Twister people, think here!  I have read many books, and this person I am
speaking of has been brought up in so many of them.  He had a lot of friends
in the music scene here in LA as well was a big fan of the music.  Anyone


Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:44:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan Rosenberg <>
Subject: *SLIGHT* Lyrical spoilers
Message-ID: <>

I'll be honest, I don't have the album yet (WS, that is, what else?),
although good ol' local Philly store Spaceboy Music will be holding me a
copy along with the free ITMWML single this coming tuesday.  OH BOY!  So,
I'm listening to AV right now, in anticipation, and I came across the line
in "I Can't Own Her":

All of its climbers and its winos sliding down

And it made me think of the DEMO of "Playground" which I have heard a
couple times before.  This line in particular:

I climb up, spending daylight
slide down drunken on the other side

Now, apparently 'drunken' has been changed to 'bankrupt' in the finished
version, which admittedly makes more sense, what with daylight being
*spent* and all, but I thought the original line invited an interesting
counterpoint to the ICOH line, eh?

So, I wonder what else on Wasp Star harkens back to Apple Venus,
musically as well as lyrically.  We shall see, dear Chalkhillians...

Jon Rosenberg (No, the OTHER one)


Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:00:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Anthony <>
Subject: Ah, the Rezillos!
Message-ID: <>

Ah, the Rezillos! (Digest No. 6-120.) What a great fun
little band. A high point of the late '70s, when there
WAS plenty of good music to be had, but you had to
search for it -- unless, like me, you were lucky
enough to live inside the footprint of an enlightened
radio station like WBRU-FM in Providence, R.I.

That was back before the glacier retreated, kids.

Look for a 28-track CD released by Sire/Warner Bros.
in 1993 titled *Can't Stand the Rezillos: The (Almost)
Complete Rezillos*, and all your questions, even the
one about the "Revillos," will be answered.

In 1978, to their eternal blessation, the Rezillos
covered a song called "Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head
Kicked In Tonight." It is a rave, a scream, and a
hoot. In fact, it's the second-most fun you can have
in one minute and 54 seconds.

(You have to figure I love the song, refraining as I
am from bleating about the grammatical error in the
title. Hey, it are only rock and roll, and I likes

Where did the Rezillos discover this rude little gem?
Where could such a song as "Somebody's Gonna Get Their
Head Kicked In Tonight" have come from?

>From the very last place you'd think.

Lawrence Welk? Petula Clark?

Well, okay, the third-last place you'd think.

Fleetwood Mac.

In the Mac's early days, in the late '60s, it was a
blue-eyed blues band fronted by "the poor man's Eric
Clapton," fellow John Mayall alumnus Peter Green,
himself a penner of songs not often associated with
Fleetwood Mac, such as "Black Magic Woman." But
"Somebody" isn't Green's. Second guitarist Jeremy
Spencer, at the time an acolyte of Elmore James and
later a cult abductee, would step up and front the
band during its second set. Often tricked out in full
Elvis regalia, Spencer led the Green-less "Earl Vince
and the Valiants" in parodies of '50s devil's music
and other rip-it-up fun stuff. "Somebody" was released
in 1969, credited to the Valiants, as the b-side to
Fleetwood Mac's "Man of the World." You can find the
original "Somebody" on a 1991 Sony Music Special
Products release, *The Immediate Singles Collection,
Vol. 1*.

Pop Quiz time! Earl Vince and the Valiants are to
Fleetwood Mac as the Dukes of Stratosphear are to ...?
(Hint: This paragraph contains this post's mandatory
XTC content.)

One more thing. Would someone take pity on an old
out-of-it wanker and explain what *4:20* means? Does
it refer to how long a really fine-quality blunt
should last (if it is passed on the left-hand side),
or what?

Marijuanistically ignorant,

Ryan Anthony
An independent Internet content provider


Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 03:29:34 EDT
Subject: Splunge!
Message-ID: <>

Splunge!   (worm holes from the old same place)

>>... I really don't want to waste valuable seconds scrolling through an
interminable litany of soft rock and Simon and bleedin' Garfunkel. <<

>>Soft Rock?  Simon & Bleedin' Garfunkel?  NOW who's being the snob??????<<

>>Dom, Dom, Dom, Dom, you never surprise me.  Why do you
care about if Simon & Garfunkel are soft rock?  Why do
you have to label music?  Music is music in my
opinion.  And I LOVE Simon & Garfunkel.<<

>>I like Simon & Garfunkel. I don't like interminable lists. Sigh.<<

Funny way of saying it!

>>Damn right it would...and despite what Ol' Pa Kingston would tell you, Black
Sabbath had/have some splendid pop tunes in amongst the references to Satan
and so on...many a great melody to be enjoyed<<

I never said they did, you young whippersnapper!  I dig Sabbath.  I think
they're just the cat's pajamas!  23 skiddoo!  And a goo goo go joob to you
too, sir!  "Running as fast as he can..."

(Dementia rules!  I can't wait for the nursing home!  Pay your social
security, kids!)

Other stuff -
Someone brought up Klaatu.  I've often wondered if the Beatle thing over them
was intentionally orchestrated.  Probably not at first, but when the thought
occurred to their management, hmm.  The name may have been an obscure
response to Ringo's Goodnight Vienna album cover.  The key to the whole thing
was that they never listed personnel on their records.  I didn't buy it.
They were way too retro, going for that Magical Mystery Tour sound.  I just
couldn't imagine the Beatles reuniting as a phantom lark in the late
seventies releasing Beatle-esque (omigod!  I used it!  What would the zen
masters say?) psychedelia.  Also, as a musician who had dissected and
performed so much of their (The Beatles) music, it didn't feel quite right.
But there were people convinced when they came out that it was the lads.  Of
course, I remember the Paul is dead thing....
I have a strange story about Klaatu.  I played for a year in a casino show
band in Atlantic City and various east coast hotel lounge hells.  The act was
a male / female singing duo and I was in the back up band.  (Very much like
the Koffee 'n Kreme story in Joe Jackson's biography 'A Cure For Gravity'.
Get a copy of that book, chalkhillers!)  We actually did a horrendous "space"
medley that started with 'Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft'
(Klaatu)  and ended with Manhattan Transfer's 'Twilight Zone.'  The duo,
which had ducked backstage during a band number, came out wearing silver
sequined tights and space age sunglasses.  The song was big at the time
because some cheesy pop act covered it (was it the Carpenters?  God, this is
traumatic!)  Imagine this going on for a single table of bored businessmen on
a Tuesday night in Altoona, PA!  Yeeesh, what I have done for a living!

Also - my brother has an original copy of 'That Was The Year That Was' by Tom
Lehrer.  Brilliant!

No bites on Skafish?? Anyone?

As for other forgotten bands - Focus, Good God.

>>You, Clouds, etc" sounds like Sting? I think it's because of the
use of the word "weather." Sting patented that word.<<

How 'bout 'Blame the Weather' (one of me all time fav'rite Colin tunes,
mate)!  I'm not certain, but XTC could have Sting a ling a ding beat on the
meteorological musings.

I LOVE the XTC Monkees tribute idea!  I would consider 'You Just May Be The
One' --
brilliant Nesmith tune -- one of the great unknown pop gems!  I could just
hear Andy signing it...

I think Skylarking is green. (How about albums as a whole?  What color do you
think they are?)

Other XTC content - I think XTC is a very good band too!  Now, excuse me
while I boogaloo.

Tom (Where's my goddam copy of AARP?)  Kingston


Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:45:45 +0100
From: Lawson Dominic <>
Subject: Bridge Over Troubled AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
Message-ID: <>

>>Dom, Dom, Dom, Dom, you never surprise me.  Why do you
care about if Simon & Garfunkel are soft rock?  Why do
you have to label music?  Music is music in my
opinion.  And I LOVE Simon & Garfunkel.  *gasp*
*sarcastic mode on* Oh, I shouldn't like them, because
Dom said we shouldn't. *sarcastic mode off*

I didn't say anything of the sort. Calm down!

For the last time, I LIKE SIMON AND ****ING GARFUNKEL!!!! I didn't make any
negative comments about Tom's taste in music, I merely described his post as
"an interminable list of soft rock and Simon & Garfunkel", i.e. the list was
interminable, not soft rock or S&G. If someone would like to explain to me
how this makes me the High Priest of the Let's Go Stab Paul 'n' Art Club,
then fire away.

Engage the brain before you spout bollocks, that's my motto (when it suits
me, of course).

>> I think the JoBoxers were very

Me too. "Johnny Friendly" was a great record, and it was a damn shame that
the second album never got released. Tragically, as a ten year old I sported
a flat cap and boots in a rather feeble tribute to the band. Oddly, some of
the 'Boxers are still lurking around the music biz. Dig Wayne performs in
musicals, if memory serves, and Sean McLusky is renowned for running some of
London's best clubs. Dave Collard was last seen playing keyboards for The
The. Chris Bostock played bass for Spear Of Destiny for a while. So there.
The fact that I know all this is very sad indeed, but no sadder than the
fact that I've been labelled the anti-Garfunkel.

Oh, and I don't think "Young at Heart" was ever a Bananarama tune, unless
they covered it recently. The Bluebells' wrote that one themselves, I

>>The extraordinary thing about XTC albums:  It only takes 2-3
listens until you feel like you've known this music since you
were a wee one

How true, and particularly in the case of "Wasp Star"...I've been humming
"Stupidly Happy" and a couple of other gems for weeks now (in between the
shrieking of Satanic grunt-fests by my new pals, Akercocke...don't ask,
you'd hate them) and it's weird to think that a mere month or two ago I'd
never heard the buggers. What fucking brilliant pop music eh? "Wounded
Horse" included....shame on you philistines!!!

Dom ""Paul Simon's "Graceland", on the other hand, is fucking awful" Lawson


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