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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 116

                   Monday, 15 May 2000


                  Say it isn't sooooooo!
you kids get out of my yard! and other epithets of the elderly
                Re: 500 Channels of Radio
                       Eddi Reader
                 More of my mad ramblings
                     1 track wonders
                  Re: The Purple Hearts
               Boring Old Threads Never Die
                       Re: Wankfest
      what if they gave a chat and no one showed up?
                  Ballet For A Zany Day
                       TVT Web site
                     TVT Promo Stuff!
                  chalkmen and children
                  The state of radio....


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Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:34:52 -0400
From: "Cheryl" <>
Subject: Say it isn't sooooooo!
Message-ID: <000101bfbd66$22017d20$>

Oh for fuck sakes!
I was listening to the radio and to my Elation ITMWML came on but at the end
the dj talked a bit about Mr.P being on The List.  He had too add at the end
of his shpeel, "oh and you probably missed that since it was on last night".
What?!  What?!

Is there anyone that was attending the session that can tell us, was it
already aired?

Totally annoyed and tired,


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:54:12 -0400
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <>
Subject: Well...MTV2...
Message-ID: <>


So, did y'all read my post about seeing "Senses Working Overtime" on MTV2?
It's probably, like, two posts above this one?  Well, actually, what

I taped part of it, but only the end part, so there's not much else to say.
Andy & Colin picked a few Aphex Twin videos, "Coffee & TV," and
"Sledgehammer."  Andy told a great story about talking to the same
production company that made "Sledgehammer" about making the video for
"Shake You Donkey Up," but then Virgin scrapped the single and, according to
Andy, some of his ideas for "Donkey" went into "Sledgehammer."  Does that
make any sense?  Sorry if it doesn't, I'm tired and elated!

MTV2 also played some other XTC videos during their "hand-picked" segment;
the only ones I caught were the aforementioned "Senses," and "Dear God."
Aren't we all psyched?


      Benjamin Gott . Loquacious Music . Brunswick, ME 04011
AIM: Plan4Nigel . Tel: (207) 721-5366 .
  Tired of asking why / Tired of trying to work it out / So I...


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:09:11 CDT
From: "Megan Heller" <>
Subject: you kids get out of my yard! and other epithets of the elderly
Message-ID: <>

May O'Mahoney" wrote--
>Wes wrote:
>Anyone remember when MTV was cool?
>Is it that MTV was cooler "way back when" or is it because we were younger?
>I'm not sure myself.  Videos definitely seemed more interesting - but is
>that because they were something new and exciting at the time?

I was basically raised on MTV-- started watching in 1982, when I was five
years old (my favorite videos were "I Ran" by Flock of Seagulls and "Don't
Go" by Yaz, according to my mother).  I think it could be cool on some level
for about the first ten years.  One, as you said, they actually played
videos.  Two, I have videotapes from Postmodern MTV and 120 Minutes from the
years 1989-1991, and I've watched them recently, and I can say it was still
good.  I had tapes from 1992, but I tossed them, because for some reason
that was when things started getting oddly generic.  The videos on 120
Minutes didn't have the occasional obscure tidbits, and then Dave Kendall
(host of 120) got dropped that autumn.  Once they had Lewis Largent and
Kennedy hosting, it was all over.  I used to be able to rely on 120 Minutes
to find out about new music-- hell, Postmodern MTV was half the reason I
found out about XTC (I'd seen them on the Letterman appearance in 1989,
loved them, forgot the name, then turned on MTV late at night the next week
and stumbled upon Andy's week of hosting).  I still have copies of hour-long
interviews with Johnny Marr and Peter Murphy... sigh.

I've seen a little bit of MTV2-- they had a sample on my old cable system,
and I got quite hooked.  They show videos and everything!  I really hope
they have it where I move this fall.

kind of continuing on that note, Beverly Cash wrote--
>'Alternative' radio stations have been awful for a long time.And whoever
>said the songs all having that same guitar sound and vocals is so right.I
>can't tell most of them apart.All they are now is top 40 radio combined
>rock station radio really,they just exclude the real boppy stuff and ad the
>popular rock stuff.The one in Seattle even plays Metallica on regular
>rotation now.In fact,the main difference between most rock stations and
>'alt' stations,is that the rock stations ad on say ac/dc,zep,aero etc
>instead of poppy stuff,while alt stations ad on some cure,d mode,etc,and
>rest of their playlists are almost the exactly the same.

you're all too right.  I was pretty lucky with radio stations for many
years-- when I lived in Atlanta, we had WRAS, Album 88, the Georgia State
Universtiy radio station.  It was the largest college-only station in the
country, at 100,000 watts.  When I was just getting into XTC, and trying to
decide which album to buy next (since I was 12 and didn't know anyone else
who had heard any more than I had), I would memorize the name of a song when
I looked at a tape at the store and then request it at some point.  A couple
years after that, I would request songs just to hear them, and the djs would
get into conversations with me about them-- I remember one guy arguing with
me that he wanted to play "My Bird Performs" instead of "Dear Madam Barnum."
  To my knowledge, it's still good radio, but quite a rarity.

When I lived in Denver, there was KTCL, which occasionally played promos
recorded by Andy and Colin when they did the O&L promo tour.  Great, great
station.  Unfortunately, I hear it's gone to hell-- I was talking to my
friend John the other night (who I met a dog's age ago through the LE), who
moved to Denver last year, and he said it was still great until late last
year, when it switched to the sort of generic "alternative" crap.

Even WHFS in DC was decent when I moved to the area in 1993, although my
friends said it was going downhill; it's plummeted since then.  My father
used a woman who worked there for voice talent, and she said that the
numbers for HFS were terrible, and they were just clutching at straws,
trying to find something that worked.

Bah.  kids today.  I feel old.



Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 09:22:08 -0400
From: "Brian" <>
Subject: Re: 500 Channels of Radio
Message-ID: <004b01bfbda7$690fe260$8fe49cd1@Brian>


>> > Radio is where television was before the advent of cable.<
>>  Are you trying to suggest that radio will 'expand it horizons' in the
>>  future?
>>  Yeah, right... cable is _almost_ nothing more than extra channels of
>>  shit to watch.

>I can see Brian's point--

>I am happy that Kfog makes the attempt to play "true variety", but even
with the occasional Xtc song (and their support), it all sounds the same
to me. I still tune on on occasion (just to see if things have changed)
but they haven't.<

Well, I tuned in to my local alternative station on the way home from a gig
the other night to find them playing "I Like" by Brak, from Space Ghost
Coast-To-Coast, which is an eminently amusing little tune, so a diamond in
the rough will occasionally turn up. Perhaps all is not lost...

>Love the parody of Ms. McLaughlin's tune, though. I believe you may have a
second career ( Weird Al can be great but some of his targets of late
haven't been as great as in the past...).<

You should hear my redo of the Polices' "Every Little Thing She Does Is
Magic" gearded toward STAR TREK fanatics ("Every Little Thing We Do Is STAR
TREK")... I found it quite interesting that I could work the little original
STAR TREK theme four-note chime from the very beginning of the credits into
the beginning of the Police tune, and that the ST fanfare worked itself into
the song quite well at one point. I now know why "Weird " Al gets his
jollies doing this when this kind of stuff falls into place.

-Brian Matthews
XTC fan


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:02:15 +0100
From: Mark Fisher <>
Subject: Eddi Reader
Message-ID: <a04310100b544616de214@[]>

In today's edition of The Sunday Herald (Scotland) there's an article
in which a handful of celebrities are asked about their memories of
punk rock and to name the music they best like from the era. Eddi
Reader (Fairground Attraction) names XTC.

Fact fans will remember that her brother was in the late lamented
Trash Can Sinatras who were known to do the odd XTC song in their
live set.



Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 07:42:14 -0700
From: "John Keel" <>
Subject: More of my mad ramblings
Message-ID: <008301bfbdb2$b2767800$>

Hi kids!

First, let me start with a non-XTC note on an artist that was mentioned here
recently, Nick Drake.  Now, I don't watch much TV, maybe 2-3 hours a week on
average, but I had seen this new Volkswagen commercial and heard this song
that I just loved, but had no idea who it was.  So, I'm in Aaron's records
here in L.A. about two weeks ago and I'm in the checkout line and see this
"Way to Blue - An Introduction to Nick Drake" CD and I notice it has this
sticker on it saying it features "Pink Moon" from the new VW commercial.
But, then it's my turn at the register and I'm running late so I don't get
it.  But I keep thinking about it and a few hours later I'm at Virgin
Records and they don't have it. In fact, they don't have any Nick Drake -
not even a slot for him.  Well, too make an already too long story shorter,
the next week I went back to Aaron's and bought it.  What a wonderful,
amazing artist he was.  I'm now in search of this box set someone on this or
another list mentioned.  I missed him entirely while he was alive and thank
God that I can now add him to my list of favorite artists of all time.  A
beautiful record for those who haven't heard it or Nick.

Now, back to XTC.  First off, like I was telling someone recently, I've been
listening to XTC ever since "Black Sea" came out, and while I've always been
a fanatic about the music, I never got into collecting stuff (although I
wish I still had my original "English Settlement" T-shirt and all the
buttons I used to have) or joined any of the fan clubs, so outside of what
came out on vinyl/CD, I didn't own anything else.  Of course, hearing all
these people who have the "AV" demos, among other items and reading "Song
Stories" I'm realizing how much else is out there.  So, now when I go to
used shops, I check out the bins.  Yesterday, out of the blue, I find a copy
of the "XTC 3D-EP" in really good shape, 12" singles for "Grass", "Great
Fire", "All You Pretty Girls" and a Geffen promo 12" with three different
mixes of "King for a Day" plus two B-sides.  All at one store!  Then I go to
another store in Venice and find a 7" picture disc single of "Wonderland"
with "Jump" on the B-side.  What a day!

Oh, and who in the hell was it that didn't like "Roads Girdle The Globe"?
Are you insane?!?  While my top 3 XTC songs might change from day to day, I
would have to only change two at any given time since "RGTG" never leaves
that list.  Terry Chamber's drumming on that tracks gives me the chills
every time.  I'm always willing to let others have their own opinion, but I
can't let this one slide (or the mention that "The Wheel and the Maypole"
isn't the perfect close for "WSAV2").  Sorry.

And, finally, re: Andy on "The List".  Okay, I don't have cable, so I've
never seen this show.  Maybe it is lame.  You know what? WHO CARES?  I think
you're missing the point.  ANY exposure for XTC, especially now that such a
radio/audience-friendly album is coming out, is welcome.  I don't disagree
with some of the criticism of TVT's dissemination of info (especially to
those of us who would gladly spread the word for them ) as to what and where
Andy and/or Colin are doing for publicity, but they get points for bringing
them over to do whatever it is that they're doing.  Andy - I would imagine -
can make any appearance memorable, just by being Andy, so maybe people who
aren't as familiar with XTC's work as we are, will seek them out after
watching "The List".  Isn't that what we really want and all that really
matters?  Of course, I'm just excited since I get to go to the taping and
I'll be sure to file a post immediately upon my return -as will a lot of
others I hope.

Sorry I took so long.  Thanks for listening!



Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:12:10 EDT
Subject: 1 track wonders
Message-ID: <>

As an infrequent contributor but a regular reader of this list some of the
comments frequently amaze me, in particular the guy who said he only listens
to Lit's A PLace In The Sun CD for one track (My Own Worst Enemy)..  hell its
not even the best track on the CD, although it was naturally the one with the
most airplay (in the UK at least).
I guess these are the kind of people who save up for those cruddy Greatest
Hits packages of which so many artistes (including XTC although I guess its
not entirely their doing) are fond of issuing not once, not twice, in some
cases not even three times with those "bonus unreleased" tracks which upon
hearing become obvious why they were unreleased.
Whilst I'm ranting I am sure that half the band names chucked about by the
listees on here are for trend value only, the "I'm an individual" set (yes,
we are all individuals).  i listen to pretty much everything, and have been
an XTC listener since Making Plans.. back in 1979, and I like most stuff from
XTC to Metallica and back again.  Don't follow fashion... make your own!!!
End of rant

Jamie Crampton
Northants, UK.


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:30:02 -1000
From: Jim Smart <>
Subject: mahalo
Message-ID: <>

Thanks to everyone who grabbed the scooter's handlebars on the Lambrettas
thing. You all helped remind me that my band used to do Da-a-a-ance and Poison
Ivy, and we used to love Page 3 a lot. Tight little catchy guitar songs, with
nary a lead in sight. Whatever happened to those?

And thanks to John for his radio site, featuring Chalkers and artists
often discussed here. It's at if ya
didn't know...

8 days till Wasp Star, but 2 months till the next Harry Potter! Damn!

Jim "mahalo means thanks in Hawaiian" Smart


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: relph (John Relph)
Subject: Re: The Purple Hearts
Message-ID: <>

Wes Wilson <> wrote:
>But The Lambrettas, The Purple Hearts (named after an amphetamine pill's
>color and shape), Secret Affair, The Merton Parkas, and Squire also had some
>bright and shining moments.

When I first saw these recent mentions of The Purple Hearts, I thought
everybody was referring to The Purple Helmets!  They were definitely
quite a different beast.

	-- John


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:06:11 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Subject: Boring Old Threads Never Die
Message-ID: <>

Dear Chalkers,

Classic Albums To Play From Start To Finish:

- everything by XTC except O&L; i usually skip The Garden of
Earthly Delights. Too bloody noisy for an opening track IMHO.
Their best in this respect: Black Sea

- Cosi Fan Tutti Frutti by Squeeze
for sentimental reasons

- My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts by Eno/Byrne
still avant-garde 20 years onwards

- Trans Europe Express by Kraftwerk
die Meister der Elektro-Technik

- Waiting For A Miracle by the Comsat Angels
debut album from another great Lost Band from the 80's that never
really made it. The first 2 or 3 albums were great but they soon lost
track when disco struck and doom went out of fashion.

- Blood and Chocolate by Elvis Costello

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:06:11 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Subject: Horseplay
Message-ID: <>

Dear Chalkers,

Ashley Powell alerted us to this amazing bit of trivia:

> An oversized reproduction of one of England's most famous ancient
> artworks now gazes down from a mountain near the Mexican border city
> of Juarez.

Cor blimey!
Now why did I not think of this ?

Oh yeah, that's right.... we don't have any hills or mountains here :)

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 11:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: relph (John Relph)
Subject: Re: Wankfest
Message-ID: <>

"Garret Harkawik" <> relayed the message below.
Clearly, the message was sent by somebody at TVT Records in response
to my comments in Chalkhills Digest #6-110.  I won't reproduce my
comments here.  However, since the message was sent in response to my
comments, I'll reply to them here.  However, please note that Harrison
Sherwood has already analyzed the site and its flaws in much more
detail than I could have.  And he's a better writer as well.

>>Hey John- I'm sorry you feel our webiste "sucks." Others have felt it is a
>>truly innovative and groovy usage of flash animation and illustration.  I
>>think it was a flawed but bold attempt to create something cooler than your
>>standard static html site.  It is old and crusty at this point and we have
>>are building a wholly new site. New in-house design team.
>>Tech note: The home page does not crash all browsers.  It is especially
>>problematic with certain computer models using Internet Explorer.  It is
>>definitly designed for higher end users with lots o memory/ram and good
>>connections.  On my G4 using a T1 is hums.  The bus pulls up at 50mph and
>>it never-ever crashes. Obviously most users do not have the same set-up as
>>I.  That is one of the main reasons we are re-designing. The new site will
>>not be a "web designers wankfest." I promise.

That is definitely an elitist point of view.  Number one, not
everybody has a G4, not everybody has a T1.  Most people are still
running on older machines with either 28.8 or 56kb modem connections.
A lucky few have DSL or cable modems.  What you are basically saying
is that all you poor people who can't afford to upgrade your computer
to the latest and greatest, well, shove off.  (But that's basically
what Harrison said, isn't it?)

The other problem is although 90% percent of the people on the web are
using Windows boxes (the great unwashed) or Macs, some people are
using Linux or, dog forbid, some other OS.  Not everybody wants to
wait while the Shockwave plugin eventually loads the page.  On my
platform, the Shockwave plugin is very slow, and Netscape isn't much
better.  Oh, yeah, I can eventually load the page, but even waiting
for the bus to drive up takes five minutes or more.

Let me put it this way: I would rather drive for an hour in bumper to
bumper traffic to go to work than surf the TVT website on my normal
machine.  I wait until I have access to a machine which likes the
site.  Oddly enough, that machine is in the minority.  (See "elitist",

On the other hand, the Cooking Vinyl site is basically ugly, untested,
poorly laid out, and out of date.  And it flies.  I can surf the
entire site in a few minutes.  No flash, some content.  But most of
all, it's usable.

>>PS.  You could have pointed out the thousands of audio streams, thousands
>>of free downloads, dozens of video streams, a huge database of photos and a
>>few cool microsites etc.

Liquid Audio does not work on my machine.  Streaming video is great if
you have a fast connection, but even on my DSL box I can't get most of
it to work.  Especially since I'm behind a firewall.  RealVideo G2
doesn't work on my machine.  Windows Media does not work on my
machine.  If I can't take advantage of all of the "cool" features on
the TVT site, what good do they do me?

>I guess this is in response to my post about how the TVT site was bad, but
>for some reason it is adressed to someone named John, and last time I
>checked, john isn't my name.

As I said, it is MY name.

	-- John


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:23:33 -0700
From: "Wes Hanks" <>
Subject: what if they gave a chat and no one showed up?
Message-ID: <000d01bfbdea$afbf25c0$33b59fce@default>

To the folks at,

Thank you for your approximately 2 hour notice that you would be having Andy
and Colin in studio for a streaming video live interview along with a
promised chat session this last Friday.

Thank you for your totally hostile UI at your 'hip' site.

Thank you for totally ignoring the people in the chat room who were asking
legitimate and well thought out questions for Colin & Andy.

Thank you to the self-absorbed interviewer who constantly steered the
conversation back to * her *. Sorry, sweetcakes, I don't give a rats-ass
about what you think. Tip for your next interview - "let your subject finish
his sentence, 'kay?"  Sweet Charity, is this the jr. college community radio
station, or what?

Colin nor Andy participated in the chatroom.

There was about 20-25 people in the room with approximately a third who were
clogging up the system as complete and utter clueless idiots.

On the positive...

Andy and Colin were enjoying a lot of Grolsch beer.

Colin wore a cool green suit.

Andy did not look like a potato.

The station played Standing in for Joe, Church of Women as well as the
ubiquitus Dear God,
Senses, Nigel, Peter Pumpkinhead. Andy stated that it was the first time he
had heard Senses in many many years.

Wes 'There is simply no pleasing me' Hanks

PS Besides a brief review and ITMWML included on the compilation cd, the
June issue of CMJ New Music Monthly features a full page ad for Wasp Star,
and Harrison, an even better full page ad for Nashville Pussy.


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:21:27 EDT
Subject: Ballet For A Zany Day
Message-ID: <>

Long time no (xt)see C'hillers!

This past Friday, Andy and Colin did a webcast interview at
For an hour and a half they spoke, and joked, about many things. One thing
Andy mentioned urged me to dust off my Wake-You-Donkey-Up browser to SEARCH
out his reference. Here's the link I think will interest a lot of NY based
C'hillers... Orchid Dance: .

Donning my tutu,


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:57:19 CDT
From: "vee tube" <>
Subject: TVT Web site
Message-ID: <>

    The TVT site works just fine with my $400 Avatar
  AMD K6-2 475MHZ PC. The site used to SERIOUSLY mess
  with my old 68K MAC.

      Might I suggest trying Netscape 4.08?


P.S. Please note I pass no judgment as to the sites esthetic
     appeal to humans.

    TROUT! "You all look like dirt walkers to me!" OUT!


Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:32:03 CDT
From: "vee tube" <>
Subject: TVT Promo Stuff!
Message-ID: <>

   On my way home from the 'Million Fin Swim' (We want
mandatory "Hook Locks") I stopped by my favorite indie
CD store and Bill asked, "Do you have any Wasp Star post-

                I replied,"no"

    Now I do! What are these? Go ahead,ask me!
What are these,Vee Tube? Do they say anything V?
Well,they do say...

          "The Eclectric New Album"


        "I'm The Man Who Murdered Love"
        And "Stupidly Happy"

           Hear it now at

   So, if you live in the greater D/FW metro area,
   call 214-826-1885 and ask them to hold you a couple
   3-4 (That's texan for 5)


P.S. After listening to 'Wasp' 40-50 times, It BLOWS!
    The guitars SUCK! The Songs SUCK! The singing SUCKS!
    So if you don't mind, I'm gonna call STING and see if
    he want's to come over and SUCK ME! While I play it
                ONE MORE TIME!



Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:24:46 -0500
From: "Jan C. Harris" <>
Subject: chalkmen and children
Message-ID: <01b201bfbdf4$0c530320$632f573f@janstrigem>

Pancho XPRXTCFAN writes:  <<And finally, I saw a program on
sexual mores through
the ages the other day and they showed a 'chalkhill' similar to
the Uffington Horse but with a guy with an erect phallus. I was
wondering if anyone know where this was located as I missed it.>>

That would be the Cerne Giant?  He's in Dorset.

The tourist books are wont to show his fertile photo, however, is
it an accident the similarities between the name Cerne, Herne,
and Cernunnos?  He doesn't have any horns, but he carries a big
stick! (the site below says "hercules" and "orion" which seem to
be lacking in Anglo-Celtic origin for something this old.)




Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:11:19 -0500
From: "Jan C. Harris" <>
Subject: The state of radio....
Message-ID: <01b101bfbdf2$9a1eac60$632f573f@janstrigem>

"Weird Al" Brian Matthews writes:  <<Man... you're lucky to even
have a station that plays XTC! I've heard "The Ballad Of Peter
Pumpkinhead" here once.>>

I, too, am among the lucky ones - though I don't give my
community radio station the support I probably should.  Here in
Bloomington, we have a phenomenon called "Community Radio."  It
is run on a fully volunteer basis.  It is NOT an NPR affiliate,
nor is it college or "public broadcasting."  It's a purely local
phenomenon, and I understand that WFHB has won awards for it's
community focus.

The DJ of the hour gets the program.  There are bunches of
different types of programs, from "Radio Gnome" (Gong-esque
material - probably where Gentle Giant would be played)  to
newage to bluegrass to local artists.  Anyhowe, because of the
large heathen contingent here in Bloomington Indiana, "Green Man"
got extensive play on WFHB when it came out.  And I expect there
will be good coverage of Wasp Star.

I did hear "River of Orchids" maybe twice on another local
station, "Indiana's only Alternative, WTTS 92.3"  But they are as
likely to play "Dismember You," and Barenaked Ladies in and among
the "Thong Song."

Anyhowe - it is possible to take the power away from commerce and
put it in the hands of the people - it's an extensive effort, and
I'm not sure howe long it will last, but is giving
it a swing.  You can (theoretically) hear anything on this

I noticed by looking at their playlist: that there is a label called
"Nonesuch" represented on this playlist by an artist named Bill
Frisell,  who seems to have 3-4 numbers on the list.  Anyone know
anything about this?


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