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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 114

                  Saturday, 13 May 2000


                  Pomme de terre d'amour
                      I am Iron Chef
                     Kinky Web Sites
                  Re: The Little Express
                    Re: The Lambrettas
                   3Tripper's "Waituke"
                  Underated XTC Albums.
              I had a sneakin' suspicion....
                       And I choose
              Random memory of my mom on XTC
                      Re:Lost Bands
               re: Sherwood on Synesthesia
                        Word games
                        The Point
                   Re: Church of Women
           More about Andy on Vh1's "The List"
                Re: 500 Channels of Radio


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Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:59:14 EDT
From: "Jane Spencer-Davis" <>
Subject: Pomme de terre d'amour
Message-ID: <>

Chunky Chalks-

I would like to respond to Wes Long's post:

Consider yourself duly prodded, regarding your offer to relate tasty tidbits
of the '89 radio tour!

Consider yourself heartily seconded regarding your adulation of Roads Girdle
the Globe. A truly testosterone-laden tour de force that I simply cannot
control myself when hearing while in my beloved (sorry Andy) car.

Molly- would be happy to transcibe, or simply mail you the tape- as long as
you return it! Warning:My typing is turtle speed. You tell me!

Those who are lucky enough to attend the taping of the "List"- Please relate
the date of airing! Please, please...

*Really*, really pleased about the CDNOW bits. Oh, I can't wait.

                                Lovin' that pomme de terre,


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:08:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "May O'Mahoney" <>
Subject: I am Iron Chef
Message-ID: <>

Wes wrote:

Anyone remember when MTV was cool?

Is it that MTV was cooler "way back when" or is it because we were younger?
I'm not sure myself.  Videos definitely seemed more interesting - but is
that because they were something new and exciting at the time?

I do have to say that at least they SHOWED videos when MTV was new.  I think
the last time I looked at a schedule for the channel it was all Real World
Reunions.....hmmm....funny, could someone tell me how that relates to music
other than being background noise for posturing psuedo-adults?

Television, I believe, is salvaged ONLY by one channel - THE COOKING CHANNEL
- and one of the only shows in the universe that I look forward to is.....

*******************THE IRON CHEF***************

The Iron Chef is the best thing since sliced bread - ha ha. It rules, and I
say that with full Southern California gusto.

Any other Iron Chef fans out there in ChalkLand?

Talk about true "metal"!

RE:  Radio Stations Declining Into Pithy Loops of Fluff

That must be a nation-wide trend.  I've watched two of my hometown stations
turn into mush - which is a shame.  One station, KJEE 92.9 started out of
someone's bedroom.  The first day they were on the air they played non-stop
Marching music ALL DAY!  I was tweaking the dial around and I landed on this
Sousa-esque march music.
I remember exclaiming something to the extent of, "What the hell?!"

The next morning I turned it on, still intrigued, and at some point during
the night it had kicked into bad ass old school punk (this was back around
1991).  As the day progressed, it slid into blues and then in the evening it
was a big block of reggae.  I started asking people, "What is this????"

They then progressed into having actual playlists of some really super
stuff.  As word caught on and years progressed, however, they've slid into
the mush that I could listen to on any station - with a few exceptions.

Ah, well.  Happy Week-end!

- May


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:48:33 -0700
From: "Victor Rocha" <>
Subject: Kinky Web Sites
Message-ID: <012301bfbc6c$952e69c0$>

did you know that Dave Davies has his own web site?


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:02:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: relph (John Relph)
Subject: Re: The Little Express
Message-ID: <>

travis schulz <> asked:
>Hello Chalk-nymphomaniacs! Has The Little Express
>stopped for a final visit at your place yet?  I'm
>still waiting; glad my subscription doesn't run out
>for another three issues ha ha!

Yes, I received my copy.  Issue 43 - Summer 1999.
It also included a one-page "XTC Update", in which Peter & June wrote
about the reasons why "The Little Express" "reached its final
destination".  And also a lovely red herring: Chuck Sabo's last name
was spelt "Faybo".  No wonder we couldn't figure out who he was.

	-- John


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:38:11 PDT
From: "Beverly Cash" <>
Subject: various
Message-ID: <>

The guys of Tears for fears were in a modish band called The Graduates,I
remember the album cover and they looked like a band in Happy Days,or Weezer
in the Buddy Holly video LOL..

'Alternative' radio stations have been awful for a long time.And whoever
said the songs all having that same guitar sound and vocals is so right.I
can't tell most of them apart.All they are now is top 40 radio combined with
rock station radio really,they just exclude the real boppy stuff and ad the
popular rock stuff.The one in Seattle even plays Metallica on regular
rotation now.In fact,the main difference between most rock stations and
'alt' stations,is that the rock stations ad on say ac/dc,zep,aero etc
instead of poppy stuff,while alt stations ad on some cure,d mode,etc,and the
rest of their playlists are almost the exactly the same.

I started watching The Monkees when I was 5 and have loved them ever
since.They played them (in rerun) every morning.At one point,when I was 14
or so,MTV played every episode for their 20th anniversary.I stayed up all
night and recorded every single episode LOL.Now I just have their 'videos'
on tape :(

I first saw monty python when I was about 7,my mom loved them.I had The holy
Grail memorized by the time I was 11 LOL.Saw Meaning of life in the theater
when it first came out at about that age.The restaurant scene is something
else on the big screen!LOL

xtc content
I have been rounding the radio stations hoping one will play one of the new
songs to no avail.All of you who just happen to catch it are driving me
mad!LOL...thats what happens when you try!I did hear a 20 or 30 second
excerpt online,but it wasn't enough to really tell,especially with these
puter speakers...I guess at least it'll all be new and fresh to me when it
comes out.
I also wish the TVT reps would tell where and what they're doing while
they're over here.It's really lame to not update that kind of info so that
people can try and make arrangements to try and see them.especailly being
it's such special circumstance with them since they don't tour,it's about
the only chance anyone has to actually see them.

ok,sorry,more than enough..cheers***Beverly


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:35:28 EDT
Subject: Re: The Lambrettas
Message-ID: <>

In the previous fab Chalkhills post it was written:

>Sorry I can't help with The Lambrettas album title by the way!

It's "Beat Boys in the Jet Age." They were a neo-Mod outfit, circa 1980,
coming after the first British Mod movement that included The Who.

I have this album on CD and I like it. Picks to hit: "Page 3" I am heavily
into Mod music and styles. The Lambrettas were not Joe Jackson-like; they
were, well, Mod - tight ensemble songs celebrating youth, criticizing
society, and celebrating materialism. Many of these bands ventured into the
ska realm.

The Jam were, of course, the frontrunners and probably the best of the
neo-Mod bands. "In the City, " "This Is the Modern World," "All Mod Cons" and
"Sound Affects!" belong in EVERY pop enthusiast's record collection, in my
opinion. They've been remastered for CD and have great artwork and sound.

But The Lambrettas, The Purple Hearts (named after an amphetamine pill's
color and shape), Secret Affair, The Merton Parkas, and Squire also had some
bright and shining moments.

Recommendations? The first two albums by Secret Affair, on 1 CD, are CLASSICS
of the mod stylists: sharp suits, razor haircuts, skinny ties, girls, and
snappy, brassy songs celebrating youth and nightlife. Picks to hit: "Time for
Action" "Time 4 Truth"

Oh yeah, and there's an eight volume CD collection of Mod songs; check out for the list. I believe they sell them at their site. I have
threee of these and some of the songs are catchy and very good. Others are
too "punk" or "ska" to be truly classified as Mod.

I have enough material to create a small Mod web site, but I just started a
new job and have precious leisure time. (Sigh...SOMEDAY I'll get my stuff up
there!) In the meantime, forage around in the trouserpress web site.

Wes Wilson


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:19:43 -0400
From: mitch friedman <>
Subject: 3Tripper's "Waituke"
Message-ID: <v03007800b5425e0e1229@[]>

Like Jim Smart said . . .




Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:00:53 -0700
From: "Radiosinmotion" <>
Subject: Underated XTC Albums.
Message-ID: <001301bfbc7f$129fe340$0200a8c0@digitalpc>

I can't personally see how any XTC album could be considered overrated,
though I do feel some are underrated.  For one thing, White Music and Go 2
are great early new wave albums.  Regardless what people think now about
their old sound, I still love it.

Wonder Stuff > Good
Lene Lovich > Good
Tippa Irie > Good
The Nails > Suck!

Did anyone else get sad watching the VH1 story on S.R.V.?


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:28:08 -0500
From: "Joe Funk" <>
Subject: I had a sneakin' suspicion....
Message-ID: <027c01bfbc93$bfcd9940$7721fea9@user>

Greeting Chalklings!!


>I hear lots of controversy hear about Black Sea.  It's not one I
>have, or even have seen.  Care to bash a newbie around with some
>information as to why this album is so polarized among the fans?


Good Night NURSE!!!!  You need to do some shoppin', Darlin'!!  Controversy?
The only controversy I have seen around here about "BS" is the " I love it
better than You!!" argument..  From the very first "scratched record" piano
chord of "Respectable Street" to the slow "Microphone in the shower"
fade-out of "Travels in Nihilon" is a package that is SO full of
excruciatingly dynamic guitars/melodies/hooks/wit, that is beyond my little
mind to describe with anything other than "IT'S %&%ING AWESOME!!!"

buy it..

Anyway, I had an interesting experience last night.  I got my hands on a
video of an interview with
Kevin Gilbert, recorded in January '96, a few months before his untimely
demise..  The interviewer, Bill Ricketts, from Ofbmag2, ask the typical
questions: "When did you.., Why did you", etc. It got real interesting when
he asked "Who?"....  Of course he mentioned Gentle Giant & Genesis
w/Gabriel, and after a second or two of deep thought he quipped:

"...There was an explosion of music in 1981.. All these amazing..  XTC
English Settlement, PG 3..... These records that came out were full of
sound.. It was a DIFFERENT sound....
People had never made records that sounded like this... I got swept up in
that.  My project "Giraffe" was influenced directly by these..."

Needless to say, that sneakin' suspicion that KG was a fan was indeed

Joe "Blacksy" Funk


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:36:11 -0500
From: David Lake <>
Subject: And I choose
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Blushift Productions

Just some musings after a long posting absence.

On the Busboys/Otis Day subject:
If memory serves, one Robert Cray was actually a member of the 'band' in
Animal House (at least according to a VH1 crock-u-mentary).  The Busboys
were NOT in the movie.

On the new album demos/studios:
I had gotten a copy of the 96 demos prior to Apple Venus Vol 1, and had
about 8 months to soak it in before getting the real deal.  I wasn't
disappointed, but there was a certain mystique missing from that 'First'
listen.  Having heard a couple demos from Vol 2, I've been using
extraordinary will power to stay away from the sample sites (sorry Mr.
Strijbos!, no offense) and the songs I haven't heard yet.  As for the
Spoiler mails, PAGE DOWN Y'ALL!

Mexican White Horse?...:
Well, last night a gallon of bleach found it's way onto the front lawn
to form the Puffington White Mule (after a few shots of Jack Daniels).
Form a queue to the right, single file, tickets only 3#s a person.

Andy on the List:
God!, what a waste of precious airtime!  The List is the ultimate in
"What's your #2 pick for female video most likely to incite a riot while
mortgage rates climb another half percent?"
"Well Cher, I thought a lot on this one and I'd have to pick 'Brittany
Spears - Oops, I did it again'".
I'll watch Andy's spot anyway.

Albums I must listen from up to down:
Steely Dan - Aja

Albums I bought for one song (and only that song):
Lit - My Own Worst Enemy
(the song just makes me jiggy)

Cheers, David (sometimes goes by Spanky)

   "Depending on whichever book you read,
     Sometimes it takes a lifetime to get what you need"
    -- Aimee Mann


Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:37:08 -0400
From: "Cheryl" <>
Subject: Random memory of my mom on XTC
Message-ID: <002801bfbc9d$490c6660$>

Hi all,

All this talk of XTC and mainstream radio triggered a random memory of my
mom from '95.

I had a compilation of XTC songs that I had put together on tape that I kept
in my car. Well, I plugged this in as we were on the way to the grocery
store and I forget what song came on, but my mother asked me who the band
was.  I explained that this was my favourite band, XTC.  "Oh" she says and
then thinks a moment.  She then responds "well, this stuff sound like what
you hear on the radio, it's good".  I guess this was a novelty for her.  I
think she felt I tended to listen to "unlistenable" music.  After shopping,
we hopped back in the car and I switched it on again.  A song came on from
one of the earlier albums.  I look over to see what her reaction will be and
she looks at me with this pained expression on her face and asked, "Who's
this?!"  I told her it was still XTC.  "Oh", she says a little confused.  It
makes me chuckle now, but I remembered having my feathers ruffled at the
whole situation.  She just didn't understand.

I know it's completely left field but just thought I'd share.

Take care,


Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:41:58 EDT
Subject: Re:Lost Bands
Message-ID: <>

>Anybody heard of an early eighties band called the Lambrettas? I never
>actually saw their album and don't know it's name. My friend had a
>cassette someone had taped him. My band back then did a couple of the
>songs, and i recall that they were very good. It was a poppy,
>mod/Squeeze/Joe jackson sort of thing, as I recall. Probably
>British. Anyone?

Yep... part of the 1979 mod revival in the UK.  I've got all their
releases.  The first LP "Beat Boys in the Jet Age" (now on CD with a best of)
is the best with "Daaance", "Page Three" etc...  The rest are hmmmm....oh
yeah I should have added one of theirs in the thread "LPs you've kept because
of one song", which in this case would be "Ambience", with the song "Decent
Town".  And no, Roland and Curt from TFF were not in the band.

You can add another four excellent bands from this Mod revival period.  "The
Purple Hearts",  "Secret Affair" and "Squire".  The best though and almost on
even keel with the Jam were "The Chords".  Run to your nearest shop and pick
up the just released re-issue of "So Far Away".  Excellent stuff, especially
for those who are after a little slashing, power chording electric guitar.
Now this was truly a "lost band".

Phil Cusimano (the other Phil C.)


Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:33:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kurt M <>
Subject: re: Sherwood on Synesthesia
Message-ID: <>

Having read Sherwood on Synesthesia, and other
Sherwoodisms, I would just like to say (that it is my

that if Mr. Sherwood does not write professionally for
a living, or at least an occasional source of income,
well, it's a crying shame.

That comment added nothing to discussions of XTC or
synesthesia, just had to be said.

XTC?  Hmmm, well, oh yeah, the guitar solo in Church
of Women is one of the best moments in all of Wasp
Star.  That, and all the other moments.  Especially
Wounded Horse.  Yeah.  I mean those comments
sincerely.  How can so many folks' opinions about
these things differ  so strongly from mine?  Shouldn't
be allowed!

Kurt 'hey, have you read the latest hbsherwood?' M


Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:33:28 +0100 (BST)
From: Rory Wilsher <>
Subject: Word games
Message-ID: <>

I find that adding a single letter to the names of
artists who are pretentious enough to call themselves
by something other than their given name helps to
stress my utter contempt for this practice. Hence
"String", "Bonio", "The Hedge".

"Slash" is funny enough on it's own not to need any

Rory "212 hours to go" Wilsher


Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 07:46:31 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: The Point
Message-ID: <l03130300b542fcb226ce@[]>

>"I just don't think its going to be marketable to the 90's-2000 radio..."
>How can I argue with that, given that from what I can tell (demos, samples)
>I'm going to love this album, and the radio situation is so horribly dire?
>What the hell ever happened to the original "AAA" format ("Adult Album
>Alternative" or something like that, as I recall), that was supposed to
>(supposedly) allow aging alterna-types to hear half decent music on the
>radio, without being expected to settle for the "Phil Collins retirement
>home" format of most "soft" or "mature" stations?

  The AAA format is alive and well in Montpelier, VT, where WNCS aka The
Point has played ITMWML several times when I've been listening, and gave
"Green Man" and "I'd Like That" several spins when vol 1 came out. They
play a fair amount of Kinks and Richard Thompson too, two others who are
otherwise criminally ignored by commercial radio. On the other hand they
play a lot of aging baby boomer crap too, like too much Dreadful Grate for
my taste. But if I have to listen to commercial radio, WNCS is usually
tolerable, and sometimes great.
They've been plugging the hell out of Jules Shear's new album, for example,
which sounds great on the basis of the one song they've been playing. When
they're good they sound like they've been sneaking into my condo and
raiding my record/CD/cassette collection. I gotta check and see if
anything's missing.

Now playing: The Dead Milkmen- Death Rides A Pale Cow

Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at

"A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has
10 GREAT laws.  A Good law protects me from you.  Laws against murder,
theft, assault and the like are good laws.  A Poor law attempts to
protect me from myself."  - Unknown


Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:01:21 -0500
From: "Paul Averitt" <>
Subject: Re: Church of Women
Message-ID: <000d01bfbcf4$7cacba40$22292cd1@louie>

Steve Young wrote:
>I heard the solo from "Church of Women".  It helped to have diminished
expectations (thanks, demo folks!) - it kicks my butt.  It seems so sparse,
restrained, lots of breathing room.  Like a lion tiptoeing around a church.
Or a woman.  I want to worship at the Church of Women too.  I think I
already do... till my head goes spinning around (or falls off)...<

I'm used to the solo on the demo version, so when Andy played me the new
version, I was also very pleased at how sparse the new solo was, creating
space as it were, and told him so. He said "I did the Van Halen solo on the
demo because I didn't know what I should do, so I just filled it up with as
many notes as I could play. My chance to be Eddie!"
Paul Averitt

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Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:25:15 -0700
From: "Jeannie" <>
Subject: More about Andy on Vh1's "The List"
Message-ID: <>

Said Ray,

> As much as I would love to see Andy on TV, I completely hate "The
> List". I've watched it a few times on VH1 and was completely disgusted
> with the guests, their choices, and their pandering to the moronic
> audience. I have a bad picture in my head of Andy sitting on stage with
> Adam Sandler, or "Chip" from the Backstreet Boys. All his witty jokes
> will fall flat on the audience and all his music choices will be met
> with befuddled looks from the panelists. They probably vote out all
> his choices and the experience will sour Andy from ever appearing on
> American TV again.
> Or am I just being paranoid?

No, just realistic. The first time I heard Andy was going to be on this
pointless show I thought to myself, 'does he realize how asinine and
tasteless this show is?' I mean, c'mon! I've been lured in to watch it a few
times, (not unkike a traffic accident on the freeway), because the format
appears to promise some interesting and stimulating discussion. (what was I
thinking?) Instead, of course, we get mostly a mediocrity fest. I might
attend the taping. I don't know, maybe I just want to lend some moral
support. I wouldn't worry about Andy--he can take care of himself. &, he's
bright enough to pick up on his moronic surroundings, should that be the
case. The hell with them anyway!



Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:51:47 EDT
Subject: Re: 500 Channels of Radio
Message-ID: <>

In a message dated 5/13/00 12:04:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Brian Matthews writes:

> > Radio is where television was before the advent of cable.<
>  Are you trying to suggest that radio will 'expand it horizons' in the
>  future?
>  Yeah, right... cable is _almost_ nothing more than extra channels of
>  shit to watch.

I can see Brian's point--

I am happy that Kfog makes the attempt to play "true variety", but even
with the occasional Xtc song (and their support), it all sounds the same
to me. I still tune on on occasion (just to see if things have changed)
but they haven't.

Love the parody of Ms. McLaughlin's tune, though. I believe you may have a
second career ( Weird Al can be great but some of his targets of late
haven't been as great as in the past...).

I agree about cable, but my point was that radio is still acting as if
there are no alternatives to what they offer.  There are a lot of
alternatives but with the concentration of power and micromarketing that
exists, it's unlikely that anyone is going to branch out and try something
different.  I suppose my point was that with so many channels to choose
from sooner or later someone breaks the mold if only for a moment. I've
noticed great television programs and films that might otherwise be lost
in the priceable world being revived.  That the benefit. The downside is
always going to be quantity over quality.  Unfortunately, there is no
practical solution. With more and more power in less and less hands
(witness the recent merger mania), the truly original will be consigned to
the back burner. Even the indie world (for film, television and music) has
its little click that deems what is worthy and is not. Sorry to be so
pessimistic but I don't see much light at the end of the tunnel. That's
why I've chosen to take music, film and television recommendations from
other sources (this list is a good example).

The niche marketing that (or micromarketing) that they've attempted has
only put music into smaller and smaller music ghettos. Only those with
marketing muscle break out.  Usually most of the effort is spent on Celine
Dion, Gloria Estefan or Brittany Spears. They all have something to offer
unfortunately most of it never rises above the mediocre. I always think
back to Sturgeon's law (Ted Sturgeon for those who don't know was a highly
acclaimed science fiction and fantasy writer) that 99% of everything is

That law has always applied but it seems as if the more choices we've been
given the less quality choices we've been given.  This isn't a recent
problem. Crap has always risen to the top its just that it happens more
quickly now than 200 years ago. Think of all the artist's hailed in their
lifetime who are now forgotten. Now let's look at all the artist's that
deserved kudos that died in poverty only to be rediscovered. It's a cliche
that hasn't lost much of its truth. Luckily these folks now have an
option.  The cult following has supplemented obscurity for a lot of these
bands and artists. Xtc is just an example of this trend. Artist's taking
control of their art has allowed this to flourish more than in the past.

On that long winded note, I'll give you all break.


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