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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 111

                   Friday, 12 May 2000


                    albums in entirity
   The Punk Rock a Roll on the radio bores my poor soul
                 RADIO = SOUND SALVATION
                   Mexican White Horse
                  Too Much Joy With Ed K
                       On The Radio
              Oh, I forgot to tell you this
                      Built to Spill
          Quark is to X as [blank] is to [blank]
                  Ducks the Flinging Poo
                        Re: Roads
                    Various ramblings
              Harrison's Heavy Metal Gimmick
         Chalkhills Children: An station?
                       RE: Busboys
                        Lost Bands


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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:43:21 +0100
From: "chris browning" <>
Subject: albums in entirity
Message-ID: <00a401bfbb92$1698df80$264d883e@pbncomputer>

i have to say i agree with those who say that this argument is a little
pointless. i see an album as like a book, and i rarely skip bits in books.
the running order, the track listing WHATEVER is absolutely integral to teh
importance of the record. if i ever skip through an album, it's because time
is short or whatever. otherwise the whole thing from beginning to end. EVERY

having said that, the one album perfect in every way when it comes to
length, track listing and pacing is..

Nick Drake - Bryter Layter

musically and lyrically it is obviously the greatest thing in the history of
sound *anyway* but the suite of isntrumentals, for which drake fought long
and hard apparently make it what it is...genius

anyway i shall get my cloak...



Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:05:02 EDT
Subject: The Punk Rock a Roll on the radio bores my poor soul
Message-ID: <>

In a message dated 5/11/00 2:19:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<> writes:

> I know that there is way too much music for radio stations to cover, but
>  there is alarmingly way too much of the ExTrad mentality among the
>  radio-listening masses, and Ed's right. There is way too friggin' much
>  music out there to where I shouldn't have to worry about hearing Sarah
>  McLachlan (sp?) once again ("I will dismember you..."),

Actually I like I will Dismember you better--gives the song more character.
On that thread--even radio in San Francisco has become very predictable and
boring. I used to listen to Kfog. I got tired of them playing the same
Stones, Crow, crap. What's worse is that when they do play Xtc they play Dear
God or Mayor of Simpleton. I happen to like both songs but, common on! It's
not as if they are the MOST important songs the band did. I rarely hear
anything from Black Sea, never hear anything from Mummer (despite not being a
huge fan of the album I have a handful of favs on it).

Radio is where television was before the advent of cable. While a lot of the
same crap still plays on television in the US there are a couple of stations
(sci-fi, TNT) that have revived programs like Quark (although that particular
Buck Henry delight hasn't shown up there as far as I know).


From: gino

Wounded Horse: What the fuck was he thinking?  Why didn't the
producer demand that this number be tossed in favor of "Ship Trapped in
the Ice"?  I hate to be rude and use vulgarity instead of intellect, but
this song is a piece of Shit.  Barely deserves the capital S.

Don't care for the language but got to agree with the sentiment. I think it's
one of Andy's worst songs. I have to fess up that I like Boarded Up and have
from the moment I heard it. I think it's the percussion bit and backing
vocals. Why wasn't We're All Light chosen as the single?

Anyhow, I've taken up too much space. Bye


Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:23:41 EDT
Message-ID: <>

Arguers: (or would you prefer I called you Tissue Tigers)

A few years back Charlotte, NC__damn near the land o me__had a swell little
radio station pop up called The END.  They were playing PJ Harvey and old
non-hit Talking Heads tunes, schtuff of that ilk, and they were playing a lot
of it with few commercials.  If you turn your dial to 106.5 these days you'll
hear a DJ say "106.5 The END, Charlotte's home of new rock" and I've got a
hundred dollar bill that says his next words will more than likely be "and
now here's Pearl Jam with Evenflow."

Anyone remember when MTV was cool?  Remember 120 Minutes?  It was through
that show that I first heard Jeff Buckley, Spookey Ruben, and Shudder To

Radio is much like the giant mega-store chains that are rising up like so
many poisonous mushrooms across the landscape.  Media Play, one of the
biggies here, came to town offering a HUGE selection of CD's at $12.99 a pop.
 Having worked in small independent record stores much of my life I swore I'd
not place a penny of my money in the pockets of that damn store!  Alas, I
broke down.  The selection was too good and the store was too damn near my
home.  A few years later all my favorite independent stores began closing up
shop, they just couldn't compete with the fat cats.  This tore me open
exposing my soft pink sour innards.  THEN, when almost all of the Elvis
Costello poster covered damp basement COOL AS HELL shops were gone, Media
Play, just to say thanks to everyone who helped them run their competition
out of business, raised their CD prices and poured a few hundred pounds of
sea salt into my still fresh wound.

Since then a bright shiny new store called Manifest has opened up.  The
prices are pretty damn fair and the selection vast.  The used CD market is
bringing back some of the mom-and-pop shops.  I usually get more free CD's
than I can listen to through the sites/mags I write for, yet I still find
myself buying a few CD's a month from Manifest.

The point? Good question. Valid question. Support the good and throw lumps of
peanut riddled shit at the bad.




Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:32:47 +0100
From: Ashley Powell <>
Subject: Mexican White Horse
Message-ID: <B9QqRAAfM0G5Ewv$>

Here's an article with a tenuous XTC which may be of interest, gleaned
from the Ancient Wisdom mailing list:

An oversized reproduction of one of England's most famous ancient
artworks now gazes down from a mountain near the Mexican border city of

The Uffington White Horse is a 110-meter (360-foot), highly stylized
image of a horse created on a hill in Oxfordshire, England. The turf and
sod was scraped away to expose, in the shape of a huge horse, the white
chalk underneath.

By the time it reached Mexico, El Caballo de Uffington had grown to 960
meters (more than half a mile) in length. It was painted over three
years and with 2,600 gallons of whitewash by Juarez architect Hector
Garcia Acosta and his son, Carlos.

The age and purpose of the British geoglyph have been debated for
centuries. Locals argued that the image was not a horse at all, but a
dragon - a creature slain by St. George on another nearby hill. Others
proposed the horse was carved by Saxons to commemorate a victory by King
Alfred in the ninth century A.D. Yet another hypothesis put its creation
at about 350 B.C., when it was carved by Iron Age Celts to represent the
horse goddess Epona.

Research in 1996 by Oxford University archaeologists, however, moves the
horse even further back in time, to between 1,400 and 600 B.C., during
the Late Bronze Age. Its purpose, however, remains a mystery.

Garcia Acosta said he undertook the reconstruction on the south side of
the Juarez Mountains as a problem-solving exercise with his son and as a
way to make passing urbanites pause long enough to take a look at the
arid beauty of the mountains.

England's Favorite Horse Arrives in Mexico:
Ashley Powell


Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:49:07 -0700
From: "Radiosinmotion" <>
Subject: Too Much Joy With Ed K
Message-ID: <002d01bfbbab$e3ab0160$0200a8c0@digitalpc>

Remember when everyone who was "New Wave" or "Punk" or "Rude Boy" Or
"Gothic" and everyone had all these titles, but we all enjoyed the same
groups?  We all hung out and made fun of Disco and Metal (sorry folks, but I
was one who made fun of metal, even though I had good friends in metal, I
was a teenage New Wave Punker so forgive me!)  Anyways Ed, your post brought
back memories...

Wire > Good
That Petrol Emotion > Good
Godfathers > Good
Howard Jones > Good
Roxxette > Bad, very bad!


Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:51:46 -0700
From: Craig Vreeken <>
Subject: On The Radio
Message-ID: <>

I heard 2 songs off the new album on KVMR, 89.5, in Nevada City, California
yesterday.  They played Stupidly Happy while I was stressing at work.  I
knew it was them as soon as the vocals started.  (I haven't heard the
latest demos, advances, etc.)  It was a great way to first here the new
stuff.  Turned my mood around for sure.  Then on the way home they played
We're All Light.

KVMR is a community radio station in a small town in the foothills of
Northern California.  They are noncommercial and very eclectic.  They are
also on the internet at if you want to check them out.  Most
of the time they are playing folk, old time music, bluegrass, etc., but in
the afternoons they get more interesting.  They are also playing a lot of
the Persuasions tribute to Frank Zappa.

I don't have an opinion yet on the new stuff, since I only heard these two
songs once so far.
Craig Vreeken


Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:38:20 PDT
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Lost???
Message-ID: <>

Re: the "Lost bands" thread - John Gardner <> wrote

>Memories of lost most cases I am glad many are "lost."
>Although, I would have liked more albums and such from _Split Enz_ of >the
>Finn brothers' dayz.

See me after class, John. But kudos for mentioning one of the GREAT pop
bands of all time. Lost? in America, perhaps, but The Enz (who were actually
from NZ) were gods here. They were a popular 'cult' act from 1974-80 but
then reinvented themselves and rooooled the Aussie charts for much of the
80s. Anyone who knows and loves Neil's work in The Crowdies should really
check out the Enz catalogue.

Their first album, "Mental Notes" (1974) is one of the hidden gems of 70s
prog-rock. Some English influences of course, but a great record. I still
love it. They redid bits of it on the 2nd LP "Second Thoughts" which they
cut in London with Phil Manzanera from Roxy Music producing. At that stage
they were very quirky (that word again) avant-garde, very
psych-Expressionist in image, with wild matching costumes, and bizarre
hairstyles and makeup by percussionist/stylist Noel Crombie, which became a
trademark all through their career. They were always one of the most
inventively presented bands around. (See the pics on the frenz website).
Some of Noel's fantastic costumes are now in the Performing Arts Museum in

One story I read was that back in the old days in NZ, they used to dress up
the stage like a beach, with loads of sand, deckchairs,  umbrellas and palm
trees; during the climactic section of their big number "Stranger Than
Fiction" a girl with a blood-drenched axe embedded in her head would emerge
and crawl across the stage under the strobe lights! Freak out! They were
HEAVILY into Mervyn Peake and the Gormenghast books at that time.

After the original writing axis (Tim Finn, and guitarist Phil Judd) fell
apart and Phil left the band, while they were in London, Tim drafted in his
little brother Neil, fresh out of school, and the rest is history. They
struggled valiantly in the UK for a few years (and some credit is due to
their record company for this) hanging on long enough to re-emerge in the
"New Wave" era and be cool again; they got a hot new English rhythm section,
and then returned triumphant in 1980 with their pop masterpiece.

"True Colours" is to my mind the "Pet Sounds" of the 80s, and is very
clearly based on it, structurally. It did HUUUUGE business here. Great,
concise power-pop songs (with Neil emerging as a world-class writer - he
penned their first big chart hit, "I Got You"), and there are two nifty
instrumentals by their suporemely talented keys man Eddie Rayner
(self-taught - ugh!). He and Noel were the only members to last all the way
through the band.

I commend to you their masterful trio of albums from the early 80s - "True
Colours", "Corroboree" (aka "Waiata") and "Time and Tide". XTC link? I
vaguely remember a quote by Andy being asked about Aussie bands at the time,
and mentioning "Time and Tide", describing it as "their 'Black Sea'. Anyone
else remember this?

Tim left the band after one more album, "Conflicting Emotions" -  yeah,
sibling rivalry - and they went on for a bit longer with Neil leading.
Although the last Enz LP was not that great, it contains their farewell
single, Neil's totally magnificent 'I Walk Away' (which is about Tim leaving
the group); it sports one of my all-time favourite opening couplets:

"You came out of the world to me
My life parted like the Red Sea"

After a rousing farewell tour in '88?- with Tim briefly back on board - Neil
and final Enz drummer Paul Hester formed The Mullanes, which then mutated
into Crowded House. Poor old Eddie Rayner, sick of touring, made one of
history's all-time bad career moves by turning down Neil's offer to join the
new group, and shortly afterwards BOOM! the first album exploded in the US.

PLEASE check them out if you haven't heard them. You won't be sorry. They
were a great band, one of the best live acts I've ever seen, and I have no
doubt that XTC fans will adore their music.

The semi-official Split Enz website, maintained by their fiercely devoted
fan club, Frenz of the Enz, can be found at:

>Any references to Rick Springfield make me gag; I would rather eat >the
>lint in my belly button than hear his music....Yuck!

Well, point taken, John, but Rick (an Aussie by birth) had a career in
Australia prior to *shudder* "Jesse's Girl" and General Hospital, and is
still fondly remembered here as part of late 60's pop band Zoot.

Although wildly popular (especially with the girls, they were all pretty
cute) they were reviled by the "cool" brigade as a bubblegum outfit - pink
suits, pink guitars, etc. To be fair, it was an image they had no say in,
and unfortunately their singles likewise rarely reflected the much rockier
side to their music, which really bloomed when Rick joined.

The main evidence for this is their distinctive pop-metal version of
"Eleanor Rigby" (1970) which had been a live fave and was one of their most
successful singles. Unfortunately they got screwed by bad management, etc,
and broke up before they could really get things together. Rick of course
later became quite famous in the US and his old bandmate Beeb Birtles, who
played bass in Zoot, eventually has HUGE success with Little River Band.

Talk about incontinent nostalgia ...



Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:49:18 -0700
From: "John Keel" <>
Subject: Oh, I forgot to tell you this
Message-ID: <005001bfbbb4$4b7aa720$>

Me again.

I forgot to mention one reasonably sad thing that happened when I called to
get my tickets to the taping of "The List".  I called them up and asked them
about the day and time for the taping with Andy Partridge and he was
checking and he asked, "Uh, I hate to ask, but who is Andy Partridge?".  So
I gave him the brief lowdown.

It was a bit of a downer, but then I found out Andy was taping and I could
go and I got so stupidly happy (sorry - I couldn't resist) that I forgot all
about it.

I also forgot to mention to Deborah that I have a X's album "Los Angeles"
framed and hanging right inside my front door.

Oh, and who was it that brought up Captain Beyond???  Man, I loved their
first two albums back in Jr. High.  I keep thinking about buying them on CD
but never seem to get around to it.  Do they hold up after all this time?
They may have been from Macon, but they were light years away from being the
Allman Brothers.

Oh, and one other lost band - The Bears.  Adrian Belew hooked up with a
group from Cincinnatti called "The Raisins" and formed "The Bears" in the
late '80's.  Great power pop.  They only released two albums but they're
worth seeking out.  I saw them live in Lexington, Kentucky back in '88 (I
think it was) and the whole band autographed their first album cover for me
and Adrian autographed my (now ex-) wife's "Lone Rhinocerous" album.

FINALLY, for those Southern California fans, some quick concert news: Todd
Rundgren at House of Blues on June 14, Tim Finn at The Roxy (a special
seated show) on June 22, The John Doe Thing (speaking of X) opens for
Juliana Hatfield at the Troubadour on June 13, Glen Phillips is back at
Largo on May 31 and Jules Shear is at McCabe's Guitar Shop on June 17.

Okay, I'm done!!!!

"The world is not my home, I'm just a-passin' through."
Tom Waits


Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:54:22 -0600
From: "Bob O'Bannon" <>
Subject: Built to Spill
Message-ID: <>

Someone on this list recommended Cotton Mather a long time ago, so I picked
up "Kontiki" recently, and as usual, the advice turned out to be quite
sound. This is some of the brightest, punchiest power pop I've heard in
quite a while. And I would swear that John Lennon can't be dead -- he must
be alive and singing for this band.

But a band I am enjoying even more is Built to Spill. Any fans out there in
Chalkland? I picked up "Keep it Like a Secret," and all I think of anymore
is going into my living room and putting on this CD. I would be interested
in recommendations as to the next best BTS CD to grab.

Bob O


Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:31:09 -0700
From: "Benjamin Adams" <>
Subject: Quark is to X as [blank] is to [blank]
Message-ID: <>

Brian Matthews sez:

<<About X - I got into them from the review of their album 'Under The Big
Black Sun' in Rolling Stone Magazine (the same forum by which I disovered
XTC, with their review of 'English Settlement'), and I have come to
appreciate them. As for why they've been forgotten: it's our
chew-it-up-spit-it-out-and-demand-something-new-NOW culture that has
caused this... I'm not surprised... does anyone remember the sci-fi spoof
TV show 'Quark', with Richard Benjamin? Anyone? How many more examples can
I come up with? Tons... all of us could, likely.>>

Sure, I remember Quark.  I doubt very many others do, considering it was on
the air circa 1978, had almost no viewers, and didn't even last a full
season.  Not the best comparison with X, who actually had some success, is
critically beloved, placed albums in the top 100, and broke up in the early

I'd say a better comparison with X would be something like Quantum Leap,
which was modestly successful for several years but eventually sputtered to
a close.

Benjamin Adams


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:01:09 +0100
From: Adrian Ransome <>
Subject: Ducks the Flinging Poo
Message-ID: <497FEA72C392D3118AE700508B7311770D29F3@NT4SERVER03>

....Is the name of my next band....

We'll be a kind of Steps-meets-Pavement-produced-by-Phil Spector affair, no
instruments and seven very fit dancing girls (and a couple of men -for the
ladies) to take your minds off how ugly we are and how shit we sound. Oh,
and we'll be doing a Happy Hardcore-style cover of Rook.

Adrian "what's a rider?" Ransome


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:53:29 -0700
From: Peter Mullin <>
Subject: Re: Roads
Message-ID: <>

wesLONG wants to know -

>(Why did he later tell us all to push our cars from the road?)

Because ROADS (not, say, greener grass or roaring dandelions...)
girdle the globe...

On another topic: is it just me, or does "The Man Who Murdered Love"
bring to mind "Merely a Man" for anyone else?  (Whenever I hear it, I
just want to insert "Jimmy Swaggart's tummy rub..." in there
somewhere...don't know why)

Back to the grind,

Peter Mullin

Cars R Coffins


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:31:51 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: Plastics
Message-ID: <000101bfbc1c$4cd99fa0$7d5791d2@oemcomputer>

Tyler Hewitt wrote :

>Oh, I remembered another lost band: The Plastics. Sort
>of the Japanese version of the B-52's. They put out
>two albums in Japan in the early '80s. . I'm
>very lucky to have both Japanese records on CD, plus a
>vinyl copy of the U.S. album... highly

I've met these people ... As strange as their music ... Far out Japanese
whackos ... But cute ...

I have both Japanese albums on VINYL ; bought in a small shop on eastern
Long Island many moons ago ...



Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 05:44:47 -0700
From: "Ray Michno" <>
Subject: Various ramblings
Message-ID: <>
Organization: My Deja Email (

Re: Andy on "The List"

As much as I would love to see Andy on TV, I completely hate "The
List". I've watched it a few times on VH1 and was completely disgusted
with the guests, their choices, and their pandering to the moronic
audience. I have a bad picture in my head of Andy sitting on stage with
Adam Sandler, or "Chip" from the Backstreet Boys. All his witty jokes
will fall flat on the audience and all his music choices will be met
with befuddled looks from the panelists. They probably vote out all
his choices and the experience will sour Andy from ever appearing on
American TV again.

Or am I just being paranoid?

Re: X

I'm a big fan of theirs also. Besides the wonderful "Los Angeles"
and "Wild Gift" mentioned already, I can recommend both "More Fun
In the New World" and "Unclogged", which is an overlooked "unplugged"
live performance. By removing the heavy guitar riffs, it gives you a
new perspective on their lyrics.

And the House of Blues performances are archived and avaiable via
streaming Real Audio from the HOB website (I don't have the address
handy). They have at least one performance from 'X' there.

Re: College Radio / Alternative Radio

We have one "modern rock" station in my area, and they became
dissappointing the day they went on the air. They play
pretty much the same garbage that is always on MTV (Barenaked Ladies,
etc.). The radio in my car stopped working 4 months ago, so I
have been driving in silence for a while (luckily my morning commute
is only 2 miles). I listen to CDs at work and home, so I can honestly
say that I do NOT miss the radio at all.

As for the college stations near me, the unfortunate thing is that
most of the shows I hear are produced by 18-20 year olds who are
still going through musical discoveries of their own. I would really
love to hear some older college DJs who have eclectic tastes. There
are some great stations like in other states, and some of them even
broadcast on the internet, but the problem is that I can't listen to
Real Audio broadcasts at work (the firewall prevents it). And when I
get home I don't feel like turning on my pc/modem just to hear music.
It's much easier to pop in a CD.

Which sort of leads me into the .mp3/ Napster debate. Personally, I
have no way of getting exposed to good music outside of downloading
random .mp3 files. I usually write down band/album suggestions from
the various listservs I'm on, and I also am an avid reader of The
Big Takeover. But, I do NOT want to spend $10-$15 for a CD if I have
no idea what the band sounds like. That's where .mp3 comes in. I also
like Real Audio, but I almost never see real audio samples of complete
songs. I cannot get an idea of what a song sounds like by hearing only
10 seconds of it!

Enough rambling......


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:36:03 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: Harrison's Heavy Metal Gimmick
Message-ID: <000201bfbc1c$4f4e4920$7d5791d2@oemcomputer>

HS wrote :

>I don't mind you yacketing on about Heavy Metal, just as long as that
>insufferable old fraud Burroughs doesn't get even *more* nomenclatural
>credit... Or (heaven forfend!) Steppenwolf...

ok , you do not dig burroughs ... your privilege . but insufferable ? the
man norman mailer described as " the only living american novelist who may
conceivably be possessed of genius " ? a member of the american academy and
institute of arts and letters an " old fraud " ? i shall have to ask you to
step outside !

>Burroughs's use of it in "Nova
>Express" derives from this sense.

sorry - Naked Lunch first .



Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:52:35 -0500
From: John Voorhees <>
Subject: Chalkhills Children: An station?
Message-ID: <391C0CA3299.4290JOHNVOORHEES@EXCHSRV>

Hi there, Chalkheads.
After checking out Phelan's stuff on, it finally sunk in that
what this cyberworld needs is an Station devoted to... this
Off hand, I only know of a couple of people with songs up at mp3c:
Phelan, M. Friedman, and me.  And I noticed that Minster Hill has songs
up there too, and we certainly put in a lot of bandwidth discussing
I'll start the page with just these guys, but I know there's more of you
out there!  You don't have to sound like XTC to be included, but you
need to be a Chalkhillian. Please E-mail me off list and tell me your
mp3c address.  ( I suspect I'll also include various artists that would
appeal to the list, like MH.)
BTW, to avoid confusion with the excellent tribute albums of the same
name, I will NOT call the station "Chalkhills' Children".  That was to
get your attention.  No, I think "Chalkheads" is more appealing to me.
I'll send more info to Chalkhills as more stuff gets added.  This is
gonna be cool, guys!

(Send me your) Best,
John Voorhees


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:39:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Terry A Higgins <>
Subject: RE: Busboys
Message-ID: <>

David Schneider <> wrote:
>> Didn't they do that song,
>> "The Boys Are Back In Town"? ..and it's not the Thin Lizzy hit(I love Thin
>> Lizzy!) It was a rootsy rocker piece. I seem to remember it was used in a
>> popular film. Anyone remember which film?
>"48 Hours", I believe.

They also had a song in the film "Ghostbusters".


Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 03:36:22 PDT
From: "Beverly Cash" <>
Subject: Lost Bands
Message-ID: <>

Jim****I used to have a Lambrettas album back in my old mod/psyche days.It
was very good.They had a cover of 'Poison Ivy' thats was top notch and a
song called 'Page 3' I believe referring to the girls on page 3 of British
papers or something like that.there was one other really super song that I
can't remember the name to right now.I can't remember the name of the album
right now either but it may come back to me.
Jan****The other list I'm on I'm only one of 2 or 3 gals out of about 125 on
the list!

X****isn't really that long forgotten,I saw Exene on The List a few months

13th Floor Elevators are great,havn't listened to them in a while,need to.

Ugh!I missed that interview!All morning I kept reminding myself and then
plum forgot!It really figures too.

I'm falling asleep now so Cheers all***Beverly


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