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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 101

                   Saturday, 6 May 2000

Topics:

              He's Not Heavy , He's My Metal
                         Mr Loud
            UNCUT MAG / Cooking Vinyl UK news
                 Andy Partridge in Boston
                      Complications
                         HMV site
                 miscellaneous ramblings
                 Press Release - 05/05/00
The Spaceship We Call The Music Business. Can you spare a square?
                    Capital Punishment
               Dan Castellaneta -- Two Lips
      Yes, I know it's silly but I can't help myself
                   Re: Mummer a Bummer?
       First impressions (spoiler) and siren voices

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:58:28 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <aso1@mocha.ocn.ne.jp>
Subject: He's Not Heavy , He's My Metal
Message-ID: <000c01bfb66c$86a13be0$795791d2@johnboud>

TK wrote :

>?  DON'T FORGET THE
>TERM WAS COINED IN A STEPPENWOLF SONG.  CHECK YOUR LOCAL >BIKER GROUP.

Sorry - it was " coined "  by William " Welcome To My Orgone Accumulator "
Burroughs in his book Naked Lunch nine years earlier . Rock musicians were
among the first to pick up on Burroughs , attracted by his outrageous
imagery and drug references . One of the earliest proofs of Burroughs'
prestige in rock circles is his presence on the sleeve of The Beatles' "
Sgt. Peppers " album . Incidentally , William was chosen by Sir Paul . The
band Soft Machine took their name from the title of Burroughs' third book .
Donald Fagen and Walter Becker turned to Bill when searching for a name for
their new band . Steely Dan was the name of a dildo in Naked Lunch . David
Bowie used Burroughs' cut-up technique when writing lyrics for his Diamond
Dogs album . In the late 70's the punks raided his books for names , Dead
Fingers Talk and The Naked Lunch among them . Even the post-punks are
attracted to him . Sonic Youth appear on WB's 1990 CD Dead City Radio .
Other performers include John Cale , Donald Fagen and  Chris Stein
( Blondie ) . His 1993 CD Spare Ass Annie was done with The Disposable
Heroes Of Hiphoprisy . Bill certainly made his mark ...

Sushiman

Soft Machine ( title of Burroughs third book ) ;

Sushiman

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:06:38 +0100
From: "Chris" <bonyking@sniffout.com>
Subject: Mr Loud
Message-ID: <000a01bfb679$b259f080$29a0a8c0@sigta>

Tom Kingston exploded thus:

SNOBBERY?  WATCH YOUR STEP, SONNY JIM.  YOU AND I ARE BOTH MERE SUBJECTS AND
NOT ROYALTY IN THIS FIEFDOM, BUT I HAVE PAID MY DUES FOR MY KNOWLEDGE.  I
HAVE AN OUNCE OF PAIN AND A POUND OF LOVE, OVER 30 YEARS OF MUSICAL LOVE,
BEHIND EVERY WORD I POST HERE.  SNOBBERY IS NOT AN OPTION.

Is it just me or is there something wrong with the above statement ? 30
years of musical love and playing gives you the answer to the most arbitrary
and subjective question - what is good music ? Makes your opinion more valid
than someone who's never played a note ? I don't get it

HOW ABOUT BLUE CHEER, YOUNGSTER?

Not to be condescending, of course

I HAVE ALREADY ASKED SEVERAL MUSICIANS TODAY (I WAS AT A MUSIC STORE OFFICE
PARTY TONIGHT) WHETHER THEY THOUGHT KISS WAS METAL OR NOT.  THEY ALL AGREED
THEY WERE NOT METAL.

Here we go again. Several musicians, eh? Well, they can't be wrong,
then, because they play instruments

OK EVERYONE - HUM A FEW BARS - C'MON!  IRON MAIDEN?  WHAT'S WITH YOU PEOPLE?
ON THE COUNT OF THREE!

But you didn't say which song ! Seriously though, (assuming I could
play) if I picked out the opening bars to 'Rain Song' or 'When the
Levee Breaks' I can guarantee nobody in my office would pick that one
up. Your point is that one person in your office picked up on
'Senses...', thus making XTC more popular than, for example, Iron
Maiden. Much as I wish this was true (I like Maiden up to a point but
they come nowhere near XTC), I think you'd better check your stats
again (this offer applies to the UK only)

WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY WASTING THEIR TIME IN METAL FOR?

For the same reason you've 'wasted' over 30 years yourself - they love it.
This one sentence is the whole crux of your argument, isn't it ?

Consult your local venue for details.  SORRY - THEY ALL CLOSED ABOUT 15
YEARS AGO.  I PLAYED AT SOME

Any connection ?

I'm sorry I've gone on a bit here. I don't post very often because somebody
else usually says what I want to say better (as I'm sure they will this
time) and quicker (curse only having a computer at work) but I had to reply
at least partly to this. Mr Kingston displays the kind of rank elitism and
arrogance which is one of the things I find least attractive in musical
discussions and the world as a whole. Thank you.

chris2

np: 'Eagle Fly Free' - Helloween - DYA HEAR ME, HELLOWEEN ;-)

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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 12:50:44 GMT
From: "Tim Brooks" <bridgered@hotmail.com>
Subject: UNCUT MAG / Cooking Vinyl UK news
Message-ID: <20000505125044.99763.qmail@hotmail.com>

One of my best moves of the year was to not re-new my subscription to Q but
take out instead one for the infinitely superior Uncut magazine. Landed on
my door this morning was said magazine (great Sex Pistols cover) with the
usual monthly CD (which is always of an amazingly high quality) and splashed
on the front of the disc was our mutual fave band.

Stupidly Happy is the featured track and a quick flick through magazine
found a stunningly good Wasp Star review (5/5******) and colour pic, with
lots of mentions of "genius" etc etc. Not quite as good as last years 2 page
album of the month review but can't have everything.

Much better reading than Q's small review with an average *** star rating.
Nice to see both mags featuring a quarter page colour WS advert too.

Cooking vinyl advise me that ITMWML will be out as a single end June in the
UK once the US promotional activities are out of the way. There will also be
100 signed copies available for members only as per last year - don't all
charge you can't order one just yet, so keep peeled on their website.

End of adverts for Uncut/Cooking Vinyl!!!!!!

If anyone outside UK can't get the Uncut but have got good quality copies of
the acoustic radio tour or similar on CD E-mail me and we'll sort something
out!!!

Over and out.

TMB

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:12:20 -0400
From: "Cheryl" <mcgregoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Andy Partridge in Boston
Message-ID: <000301bfb693$8c8d9540$ca04f7a5@mcgregocmindspring.com>

Hi,

I just called WXRV (92.5) to find out more details about Mr.P coming to town
and it turns out he won't be in Boston until Tuesday.  I was told he would
probably be on around 2 or 3 in the afternoon, which is a bummer for me.

Anyway just thought I would alert fans to this.  Oh!  You can listen to 92.5
over the net at :  www.wxrv.com if you would like to catch the interview.

Take care,
Cheryl

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:48:53 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Subject: Complications
Message-ID: <20000505154436.8177EA6CFA@mail.knoware.nl>

Dear Chalkers,

> Is 'Complicated Game' metal? One could draw that conclusion.
One could i suppose, but one would be mistaken!
No, it's mental, not metal. not at all actually.
I think you are confusing 'heavy' and 'metal'.

Contemporary (1979) metal certainly wasn't as subtle nor as manic
as this seminal XTC song that was once described by Andy as "a
caged animal escaping".

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse  www.come.to/xtc

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:01:42 -0400
From: "Kate Burda" <burdakat@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: HMV site
Message-ID: <004101bfb6ab$354f1020$22d6fea9@user.msu.edu>

Just finished pre-ordering from HMV (www.hmv.com).  They do a nice job of
highlighting the boys with an interview (no earth-shattering news, just
Andy's comments), HMV comments, and even include a detailed bio section.
Worth checking out if you've got the time.

Preordering WS + the bonus disc and having it shipped via USPS will run you
$23.49 Canadian, which converts to about $16 USD.  Not too shabby.

Kate

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:36:53 -0400
From: "Michael D. Myers" <mmyers@telcordia.com>
Subject: miscellaneous ramblings
Message-ID: <852568D6.005B47F0.00@notes949.cc.telcordia.com>

Chalksters and Chalkettes;

A few thoughts:

- This morning, I was on a conference call with some folks from a large
international company that we might form an alliance with (I am based in
New Jersey).  There were about 10 people from several different countries
on the call, and suddenly 2 new people joined, saying, "Hello, this is
(their names), calling in from Swindon."  Needless to say, I was more than
a bit suprised.  Of course, this meant nothing to any of the other folks
on the call, and it was not appropriate for me to ask XTC-related
questions of those 2 people during the call.  Perhaps I'll have a moment
in the future to drop a question or two to see if they're fans of the
boys.

- A matter of perspective: just as I never would have expected the Beatles
who wrote "I Want To Hold Your Hand" in the early sixties to mature into
the writers who produced songs such as "Penny Lane", who would have
thought (putting yourself back into 1977 or so) that the writer of songs
such as "Science Friction" would be writing songs like "Harvest Festival"
or "Easter Theatre" years later?  Of course, I was amazed and delighted
that both groups grew into the artists who could pull this off.

- Tom Pitsis says he would love to see a Colin solo album, or at least
more Moulding songs on future XTC albums.  Tom old boy, I hate to be the
one to break this to you, but I can't see how this would ever happen, and
there is a very good reason: Colin just doesn't write that much anymore.
Think about it; the group has been around for about 23 years, and he has
put out one (!) solo *single* (The Colonel).  He's been in a popular band
for all this time, and has never had the inclination to stretch out and do
his own thing.  That's not a bad thing, it just doesn't seem important to
him.  As best as I can tell, and I welcome anyone who can show me that I'm
wrong (and really, I love Colin's writing, so I hope that I'm wrong) when
I say that all evidence points to the fact that our man has written only
3-5 songs in the last 8 years!  He had 2 songs on AV1, and Andy in an
interview let it slip that one of these was from a song fragment from
years ago that Colin resurrected and completed.  So that's either 1 or 2,
depending how you count it.  On the new album, he contributed 3 songs, and
one of these was resurrected from the bubblegum concept album from the
1980's.  So that means he wrote 2 new ones for this album.

I hope he breaks his apparent writer's block soon because if there is to
be new XTC product in the future, and I pray that there will be, he's
going to have to write some songs.  My personal belief that this is the
biggest issue facing the group's future viability (now that they seem to
have their finances in order), and I don't see much discussion about this
issue.  So all evidence points to the fact that a solo album, which I
would snatch up in a second, is not forthcoming, and I think that a
combination of Colin's low output and the proven, winning ratio of 8-9
Partridge compositions to 2-3 Moulding extravaganzas is what we will see
for the remainder of the band's days.  Better stay used to it.  Besides,
the brand name that is XTC leads the listener to believe that there will
be a bunch of Andy songs and a sprinkling of Colin's material, which
provide a pleasing, different perspective on life and musical approach,
which I believe is critical to all of us fans.

- Based on recent discussions of Mummer, I took it out and gave it a spin
this week.  While not one of their classics in my opinion, it's very
solid.  One interesting discovery: jeez, Colin's voice used to be in a
high range!  His voice has matured and deepened quite a bit over the
years.  Play his Mummer songs and then his AV1 contributions to see what I
mean.

- I'm playing a solo gig in June for a fund-raiser.  While I've done
group/duo work about once a week for the last couple of decades, I haven't
done an actual solo performance of any note in over 20 years, so the fear
factor is a bit high.  I've decided to include "The Mayor of Simpleton" in
my set, and doggone it, doesn't Andy just fly through some tongue-twisting
verbage?  I hope I can breathe by the end of the song.  If any performers
on the list would offer me some coaching, I am a willing pupil.

Thanks,
Mike

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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 11:12:27 -0400
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <gott@tmbg.org>
Subject: Press Release - 05/05/00
Message-ID: <B5385D1A.2251%gott@tmbg.org>

                       FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

At 10:57am, Maine resident Ben Gott announced that XTC's new album "Wasp
Star" had become his favourite XTC album to date.

"It's been a difficult decision," said Gott, speaking via telephone from his
apartment in Brunswick.  "Albums like 'English Settlement' and 'Skylarking'
are fantastic, but there's something about 'Wasp Star' that's been missing
from XTC for years and years."

Gott cites the album's jovial nature, grinding guitars, programmed
percussion, and suave backing vocals as some of the major reasons for this
groundbreaking decision.  "They just sound like they're having a fucking lot
of fun," he exclaimed.  "The recording sessions of their other albums have
been marred with so much 'stuff,' but it's easy to tell that 'Wasp Star'
suffers from none of that."

He hastens to add that the critically lauded British band's other work still
has a special place in his heart ("and in my car stereo"), but that "Wasp
Star" has, simply, broken through his brain.

"I guess I can understand those folk who don't like the album," he admits,
"although I don't agree with them.  Perhaps they should leave their
dungeons, get in a car with a sunroof, and go for a drive up the coastline,
blasting 'You and the Clouds Will Still Be Beautiful,' tapping on the
steering wheel, and singing joyfully.  Maybe people will look at them funny,
but that's alright."

Gott estimates that more of his friends like "Wasp Star" than any other XTC
album.  "It's really catchy," claims his roommate Laurie Nelson, and
roommate Curtis Jirsa agrees:  "This is poppy," said Jirsa, in a written
statement.  "The general consensus is that Andy and Colin have both penned a
stellar set of songs," Gott concludes, "and that 'Boarded Up' is absolutely
the eeriest song that Colin has ever written."

Gott can be reached for comment at (207) 721-5366, or via e-mail, at
gott@tmbg.org.

                         END OF PRESS RELEASE

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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 09:54:47 -0400
From: "Duncan Watt" <dwatt@fastestmanintheworld.com>
Subject: The Spaceship We Call The Music Business. Can you spare a square?
Message-ID: <200005051357.JAA06403@gilgamesh.nh.ultra.net>

KL aka Herne<herne@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Submitted, For Our Approval:

>Perhaps I'll leave the final words on the subject to Rapper Chuck D who
>recently said in Billboard Magazine  that Napster is "a catlayst to
>bringing the era of lazy artists to an end.  In the future an artist is
>going to have to look  at the whole picture of the music business and
>pursue other avenues of making money from their music.  Whether it be
>things like touring, selling merchandise... and not just hoping that the
>labels and publishing companies will take care of them.(sic)The
>domination they(the labels) have over artists is over."

What Mr. D is characterizing as a 'lazy artist' can be translated into 'a
musician'. While I'm not trying to take anything away from Chuck D. in
particular, he's one of many artists who sell a package of images and music
and merchandise and public appearances, even in some artist's cases taking
parts in movies and television to promote the package. If, as he claims,
this is the new model of the succesful artist, where does this leave the
*music* listener? An artist who has dedicated his life to *music* should be
characterized as lazy?

Big-production music like Mariah Carey and DMX, No Doubt and Shania Twain,
Limp Bizkit and Backstreet Boys have an obvious appeal and tremendous
following. On a much, much smaller level, so do many other types of music.
Take jazz for example. Am I supposed to believe Joshua Redman and Wynton
Marsalis need to do more videos in order to be less "lazy"? If they won't be
able to make money on record sales and publishing, their income is greatly,
greatly diminished. Why eliminate one type of artist for the other?

It sounds like Chuck D. is making the opposite of his point, at least as far
as music is concerned. While the hard-working promoters will be the
succesful ones, the hard-working musicians wil suffer, and so will the music
listener.

KL attempted a follow-up with an anonymous Interscope rep's piggishness:

>"Napster is no big deal.  It's a minor nuisance.  We all laugh at the
>artists who jump out of their Cadillacs with their gold chains whining
>about being robbed by Napster.   It's a joke.     It's not hurting us.
>CD unit costs are like 67 cents each so we make tons on the mark-up."

Did anyone notice who the "us" in the fifth sentence was? The RECORD LABELS,
duh! The ARTIST is making, on na average record deal, about $1.50(or way,
way less if it's a first-time signing) per unit. And if the labels aren't
worried, it's because they'll simply stay with who *sells*, dropping those
who don't. Who wants to try and compete with the 'hard-working artist' now?
HARDER WORKING ARTISTS, right? Where does this leave the music listener?
What about all those musicians that are jumping out of their Ford Escorts?
Can THEY complain? Why do we have to forget them?

BECAUSE THE RECORD LABELS HAVE NO USE FOR THEM.

Has it occurred to NO ONE that Chuck D. is calling XT-FUCKING-C the LAZIEST
MOTHERFUCKERS IN THE WORLD? Feh! Spending all their time on MUSIC! According
to Chuck D.'s model, they should be SHAT OUT OF THE BACK OF THE SPACESHIP HE
CALLS THE MUSIC BUSINESS! Is that what you want?

As ever, Your Pal Duncan Watt.

--
email me: dwatt@fastestmanintheworld.com
surf me: http://www.fastestmanintheworld.com

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:32:45 +0100
From: Lawson Dominic <LawsonD@parliament.uk>
Subject: Capital Punishment
Message-ID: <4782AD6ADDBDD2119B570008C75DD5C1BD4CF7@mgmtm02.parliament.uk>

King Tomston says...

>>YOU COULD MAKE NUMEROUS CASES ON EARLIER ARTISTS.  HOW ABOUT
BLUE CHEER, YOUNGSTER?

Yeah, true enough. "Vincebus Eruptum" and all that business...pretty damn
close to what Sabbath were doing, but nowhere near successful or well known
enough to deserve the same accolades (as you seem to concede). Americans
always mention Blue Cheer, just like they always mention Elvis when we all
know that Cliff is the true King!

Oh yeah, and "youngster"? Nice try, but making yourself sound like a prize
git isn't going to make me angry.

>>BUT I HEAR THAT "METAL'' SOUND STARTING WITH B. S.
AND I HEARD EVERYTHING BEFORE,  AS IT HAPPENED.  CAPICE?

Yes, you're a lot older than me. Well done. It doesn't prove anything at
all, but thanks for sharing.

>>DON'T FORGET THE
TERM WAS COINED IN A STEPPENWOLF SONG.  CHECK YOUR LOCAL BIKER GROUP.

I think you'll find it was William Burroughs, but bless your heart for
trying.

>> NICE TRY, BUT NO CIGAR.  THE KINKS MEARLY PUT A
POP FACE ON NASCENT HARD ROCK, THE ANCESTOR OF METAL.

Quite. Hey, it's a let's-be-pedantic session! You obviously acknowledge my
point and I'm sure you realise that that was what I meant anyway....or not.
I'll try not to lose sleep over it.

>>CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT, BUT YOU'RE WRONG.  THEN AGAIN, WE COULD
TRACE THIS WHOLE MESS TO MISSISSIPPI DELTA BLUES

Well, obviously. Can't disagree with you there, monsieur. Right down to the
Satanic overtones....

>> ABSOLUTELY.  METAL, UP TO THE PRESENT, IS LIMITED BY
NARROW MUSICAL CONSTRAINTS AND TASTES.

Rubbish. That's where your argument falls over, goes a bit pale and vomits
copiously into the gutter...from your perspective, sure, metal is limited
and narrow. It isn't really like that, but certainly the stuff that most
people get to hear fits your description...point (not really) taken. If you
won't trust someone who actually listens to the stuff and writes about it
professionally then you might as well pronounce yourself Lord of All Truth &
Knowledge and have the rest of us killed. I'm not saying my opinions are
gospel but something about your arguments (not least the fact that you have
to write it in SUCH A LOUD VOICE) smacks of condascension...classic teacher
behaviour, in fact.

>>ALSO,
REMEMBER THAT ALL MY COMMENTS ARE SEATED IN EXPERIENCIAL HISTORY.

Er....yeeeeessss. The Old Man of the 'Hills speaks! Obviously I respect your
experience and wisdom on the subject, but I think we can safely say that
metal means far more to me than it does to you, and I've clearly heard a
great deal more of it than you have. We could say "ooh, I know best, thank
you very much" over and over again if you wish, but really it's just two
blokes spouting opinions. Remembering the old days doesn't make your
opinions any more valid than mine I'm afraid.

>>CHEAP SHOT
- MEANS NOTHING.  MUSICALLY OVERALL THEY WERE MUCH BETTER THAN  METAL
GROUPS.

That's another opinion, not a statement of fact. I really don't agree,
principally because you don't seem to know how broad and eclectic metal has
become. Ever heard Trey Azagthoth play the guitar? Been to any Candiria
shows? No, thought not.

>>ALSO, YOU MAKE THE MISTAKE OF TAKING ZEP OUT OF CONTEXT OF
THEIR TIME.

Not a mistake. That was perfectly deliberate. When Zep were around, metal
was in its formative stages so obviously a bunch of super talented session
musicians like Page & pals were more creatively impressive than the few
metal bands in existence back then. Genres need a while to develop.

>>DON'T SUPPOSE.  KNOW
YOUR FACTS.  ZEP APPEARD YEARS BEFORE THE EMERGENCE OF METAL.

Come on, that's just being silly. I know my facts - Sabbath formed in 1967
and Led Zep formed in 1968, so you're just plain wrong on that one. Also,
Sabbath's style was a heavy form of blues when they started and little had
changed by the time the first album came out. Maybe the phrase "heavy metal"
wasn't used before Zep appeared, but once Tony Iommi started playing those
powerchords the ball was rolling...he hit that Bflat in "Black Sabbath" and
the genre was born.

>> I HAVE ALREADY ASKED
SEVERAL MUSICIANS TODAY (I WAS AT A MUSIC STORE OFFICE PARTY TONIGHT)
WHETHER THEY THOUGHT KISS WAS METAL OR NOT.  THEY ALL AGREED THEY WERE NOT
METAL.  ONE GUY WAS ADAMANT.  HE WAS WEARING A SLAYER T-SHIRT.

Oh well, he must be right then. Honestly, do you really think that
constitutes conclusive proof? A lot of metal fans (and Slayer fans are a
classic example) would not accept AC/DC or Kiss as metal bands, for purely
aesthetic reasons. They're seen as being too sissy or not heavy enough, but
go to any Kiss or AC/DC concert and the audience is composed almost entirely
of easily identifiable metal fans. Musically they're coming from exactly the
same original influences and virtually all the major metal bands of the last
twenty years (Metallica & Anthrax being two key examples) quote both those
bands as major influences. Yeah, we can be picky and call it "hard rock",
but my point about heavy metal as a cultural phenomenon still stands...it's
all connected, whether your Slayer-t-shirt-wearing pal agrees or not. Also,
would you describe Def Leppard as metal? They're certainly lighter musically
than ACDC or Kiss (have you actually heard "God Of Thunder"...how more metal
can you get???) and yet they were one of the main bands involved in the New
Wave of British Heavy Metal back in the late 70s/early 80s....come on, it's
all just wanky, journalistic preening and playing with words. The difference
is that I know what I mean (even if I don't express it terribly well) and
yet you're just wheeling out the usual, picky, hair-splitting nonsense to
score cheap points...something, incidentally, which you accuse me of doing.
Wrongly, of course.

And what was Adam Ant doing at the party? Is he making a comeback?

>>HERE, THEN IS THE REAL QUESTION!  WHAT IS HEAVY METAL?  WHAT
DEFINES IT?

You might as well say "what's jazz?"...I know that from your perspective
it's a valid question, but from my perspective it's a rather pointless and
unanswerable one. Metal is lots of different things (maybe all with
distorted guitars involved, but then not everything with distorted guitars
is metal....and so on) and not the narrow, shallow genre you seem to think.

>> FROM EXPOSURE TO IT I HAVE NOTICED THAT IT IS MORE
NARROWLY DEFINED, SONICALLY, THAT MOST GENRES, AND DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TO
EXPLORATIVE VARIETY (AKA, ECLETCICISM), AT LEAST NOWHERE NEAR THE LEVEL
EMPLOYED BY OTHER GENRES.

That's your opinion, but in my experience that simply isn't true. I think
the problem is that I could give you a long list of bands that I consider to
be innovative or progressive, but somehow I suspect you'd either say "that's
not metal" or you wouldn't agree with my analysis anyway. This "exposure"
you mention obviously hasn't been very complete. All I can say is that the
days when metal could be summed up with the words "van" and "halen" are long
gone, although I must admit I love the cliched stuff as well. Rock'n'roll is
supposed to be fun (at least it was the last time I checked) and the danger
with your attitude is that you're trying to impose some kind of intellectual
theory onto something which transcends that kind of ponderous posturing. And
try using a spell checker. Ecletcicism indeed.....

>>I'M
SORRY, BUT KISS AND ACDC DON'T REALLY FIT THE BILL.  THEY ARE HARD ROCK, BUT
NOT TRUE METAL.  WHAT TO YOU IS TRUE METAL?

Two things. One, I said they were metal, not "true" metal. Secondly, "True
Metal" as a sub-genre means MANOWAR!!!!! Otherwise the phrase is
meaningless.
What's true jazz? What's true pop? I haven't got long enough to live to
discuss those issues, and neither would I wish to. I talk enough crap on
this list as it is (and don't rush to agree with me, fellow
Porkers)...besides, there's a big grey area between "hard rock" (whatever
that means) and Heavy Metal (always with capital letters, naturally!) as I'm
sure you realise. Actually, maybe you don't. Whatever.

>>OK MOTORHEAD.  BUT WHO HAS SOLD MORE ALBUMS
AND HELPED DEFINE THE GENRE IN THE OVERALL MUSICAL LANDSCAPE?

To people who don't care about the genre, Metallica have done more defining,
if you will. To well-informed metal fans? Motorhead. Black Sabbath. Judas
Priest. Thin Lizzy. Iron Maiden. All more important in the grand scheme of
things. Sales-wise you're totally right, but I couldn't give a fuck about
record sales. Puff Daddy sells lots of albums, but his only contribution to
Hip Hop is to water it down and sell it to people who wouldn't like, or
understand, the real shit. Likewise recent (i.e. the "black" album onwards)
Metallica. Besides, Metallica have sucked for the last ten years.

>>I WAS NOT BEING SNOBBISH.

You seemed to be, but evidently not on purpose. Limitations of the e-mail
format and all that...

>>I HAVE AN OUNCE OF PAIN AND A POUND OF LOVE, OVER 30 YEARS OF
MUSICAL LOVE, BEHIND EVERY WORD I POST HERE.  SNOBBERY IS NOT AN OPTION.

Ooh, nice escape route. I don't dispute your passion, just your ability to
view metal  in the same way as I, a genuine metal fan, can do. Oh, and
snobbery is definitely an option, but I seem to have touched a nerve there
so moving quickly on...

>>THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE
AREN'T EXCELLENT SONGWRITERS WHOSE FIRST STYLISTIC GENRE IS METAL.  BUT ANY
HOPE OF A GREATER AUDIENCE ACCEPTANCE IS VERY LIMITED.

In the US and the UK, yes. Virtually everywhere else, bollocks! Go to
Germany or Greece and then tell me that metal songwriting doesn't reach out
to a wider, more populist audience. You'd be fibbing like a stinker!

>>OK EVERYONE - HUM A FEW BARS - C'MON!  IRON MAIDEN?  WHAT'S WITH YOU
PEOPLE?  ON THE COUNT OF THREE!  (SORRY FOR BEING A SMARTASS).

That's alright, you weren't being that smart.

>>ARE YOU
PAST 40 YET?  DON'T WORRY. YOU WILL BE SOMEDAY.  GOD WILLING.

Ozzy willing. Get it right! And no, of course I'm not past 40. The very
thought! Outrageous...

>> IF YOU DOWNLOAD AND NOT PAY, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL
YOURSELF AN XTC FAN.  ALL OF YOU!!!!!

I will assume that you realise I was joking. If not, Ozzy help us all.

>>TOM 'THANK GOD I HAVE LIVED THIS LONG' KINGSTON

Oh please! Thank Ozzy I haven't...I'd hate to get to the stage where I start
using my age as a debating tool. None more lame!

>>DEATH TO FALSE MUSIC!!!!

Hear hear. XTC? Black Sabbath? Atari Teenage Riot? Company Flow? It's all
the same to me, pal. Good music makes life worth living, and I've got more
cool stuff to listen to than I know what to do with at the moment. Life is
good.

Dom.
\m/

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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:44:26 GMT
From: "Dominique Leone" <d_leone@hotmail.com>
Subject: Dan Castellaneta -- Two Lips
Message-ID: <20000505174426.25634.qmail@hotmail.com>

Perhaps some of you know that Dan Castellaneta, most famous as the voice of
Homer Simpson, has released a solo album, "Two Lips".  What you may not know
is that it's probably the best 60s psychedelic-homage since the Dukes.  I'm
not kidding.  And no, he doesn't sound like Homer Simpson when he sings.
It's almost a cross between the Monkees and "Magical Mystery Tour".  Fun.

Dominique

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1-0: MUSIC, FILM & LINKS
http://www.geocities.com/1-0/

2-0: YOUR LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR
http://www.geocities.com/second_none

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:42:16 -0400
From: "Cheryl" <mcgregoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Yes, I know it's silly but I can't help myself
Message-ID: <000101bfb6b9$42377940$e406f7a5@mcgregocmindspring.com>

Hey!

Anyone else see the adverts for the more-than-likey-over-the-top-cheesy tv
movie "Jason and the Argonauts"?  Anyone else overcome with the urge to sing
at the top of their lungs: "JAAAAAAAAAASON ANDTHE
ARRRRRRGOOOOOOOOOONAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUTS!"

I did this uncontrolably last night and my roommate thought I had lost my
mind.  I probably have...

Take care,
Cheryl

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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:25:52 -0400
From: Groove Disques <info@groovedisques.com>
Subject: Re: Mummer a Bummer?
Message-ID: <4.1.20000503230609.0099ad60@mail.digiweb.com>

Poor Mummer gets a bad rap.  Following the impeccable English Settlement
and the powerful Black Sea, it's my third favorite XTC album.  I think it's
their weirdest, most human album.  This was the early 80s, a time of heavy
compression, digital reverbs, and other musical equivalents of synthetic
day-glo fabrics, and XTC puts out a mostly "small" sounding album rooted in
odd acoustic instrumentation.  The lyrics are great throughout.  It's the
last time they produced an album before their lyrical content was codified
and reworked over subsequent albums.  Clearly, the band had a little clue
as ever about market tastes (and more power to them during those days)!  It
was a special album for me upon its release, and it still hits me when I
listen to it today.  I'm going to sound like a guy who took a lot of
mushrooms during the first weeks of this album's release, but of the many
"Beatle-esque" albums that have come out over the years, Mummer captures
the "organic" qualities of more ragged works like Revolver and Let It Be.
Beginning with Skylarking - a very good album, no doubt - the rough edges
were sanded out of the band, save for the first Dukes album.

Jim
www.groovedisques.com

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:09:12 +0100
From: "David Seddon" <D.Seddon@btinternet.com>
Subject: First impressions (spoiler) and siren voices
Message-ID: <002501bfb6c6$d161f160$709e01d5@default>

Spoiler alert!

Tonight, I got hold of a tape of Wasp Star and I've just had time to hear it
once (in-between baby-feeding and changing etc).  First impressions are:

It's very upbeat
It's very catchy
It has immediate appeal (much more than Vol 1)
Colin's efforts are much stronger (I thought he reached a low on Vol 1)
There are several radio friendly songs that could be singles
The lyrics are strong (as usual)

I liked every track on first listen (I have heard the demos twice, mind
you), but found You and the Clouds the least likeable of the twelve.  Of
course, this may change.

I'm the Man is a good choice for a single, but I think that Stupidly Happy
is so immediately catchy that it is sure to follow.  Like someone else said,
there's the riff that Keith missed on it.  We're all Light and Playground
are other obvious singles.
On Vol 1, I thought that Green Man was the one obvious single (still think
it's crazy that ET was a single ahead of it). This time, I can hear four.
That's good for sales potential, I think.

Church of Women seems to be the sort of song that will grow on you the more
you hear it.  It seems to have a lot of depth, and for me this was thru' the
sound of a crying baby.

Standing in for Joe seemed to have a very early 70's feel to it (it was the
rhythmic quality and the percussion mainly).  I liked that.

Can't understand why some people have criticised Wounded Horse.  It's a
deliberately simple song with strong sexual overtones and feel.  It has a
lot of passion and is sung well.  There is a touch of Neil Young at his
rawest in there (just a touch mind you).

The Wheel and the Maypole is the sort of song we're all going to get a lot
of fun talking about.  It's a very happy song and full of the joys of life.
It continues Andy's pagan/earth loving theme.

I don't know how we'll all judge WS in 6 months time and I don't know if it
will join the pantheon of classic albums; for nearly all of us ES and BS;
for some of us Nonsuch; and for others Skylarking etc.  What I do know
however is that those on the list who have said that this is a poor album
are way off the mark.

You siren voices out there have definately got it wrong this is not a weak
XTC album.  It's definately a good one.  How good we'll talk about over
time!
My own guess is that it will sell better than Vol 1 and pick up more
airplay.  People who like catchy pop (Blur fans, maybe?) will like this and
thus there maybe some new fans because of it.

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