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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 79

                Thursday, 4 February 1999

Today's Topics:

                     Re: Tin Soldier
                     Countdown to XTC
                     Re: Tin Soldier
                       AV for $5.88
                       Fw: New XTC
                      BILL HICKS!!!
             That Tower Records Empire Thang
              XTC near the top of the charts
      RE: The World is Full of Complacent Young Men
                       Tin Soldier
           My VH1 observations -- in list form!
                 VH-1; Wall of Sound info
                XTC on Where Are They Now?
                    Re: fiddle faddle
                      AAAARRRGGG !!
                   Peel that transistor
        AVI get together in London/GOOD TO BE BACK
          Grass... should it be smoked? or worn?
                     Jenna's Trousers
                    Re: the green man
                   RE: L'homme vert/Dom
                XTC on Where are They Now
                 Re: XTC and Oingo Boingo
                  History of Rock & Roll
                        XTC on VH1


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:13:11 +0000
From: Geoff Murrell <>
Subject: Re: Tin Soldier


It's by the late, greats Steve Marriott and Ronnie Lane, ex Small
Faces and very much missed.

I've listened to Greenman on the Q CD and if the rest of the album is
this good it cannot fail, can it?



Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:49:32 -0400
From: Harrison Sherwood <>
Organization: Averstar, Inc.
Subject: Countdown to XTC

The reason for the following will become clearer after a small amount of
time has passed. I just wanted to get it on the record early. This passage
leaped out at me from the pages of the Sunday (1/31) Washington Post Style
Invitational, a weekly contest that encourages readers to be extremely
silly in print

> This made us think of the world-famous "Cockney Rhyming Slang"
> contest, the entries to which were so unfunny we dared not print
> them, resulting in letters of derision and contempt from our
> readers, many of whom contended that cockney rhyming slang is a
> useless form of communication without practical application.
> Well, the other day the auxiliary Czar stumbled upon the word
> "raspberry" in the dictionary, which has a secondary meaning of a
> Bronx cheer, or "a sound of derision, contempt, etc., made by
> expelling air forcibly so as to vibrate the tongue between the
> lips." We all knew this, of course. But here is where it gets
> interesting: The dictionary noted that the derivation of
> "raspberry" as used in this context is the term "raspberry tart,"
> which is taken from the word "fart" through the application of
> ... cockney rhyming slang!

Unbeknownst to many, there's a variant called Dulles Corridor Rhyming
Slang.  (You have to be born within the sound of the backup on the Toll
Road at Hunter Mill.) But then I don't suppose many of you give a lying

Just go tend your fruit.


The Kimball Person observes:

> Surely you scribble for a living? If not - why not?

Alas, Duncan, there has lately been a shameful lack of editors kicking in
the door and waving fistfuls of money at me in exchange for convoluted,
self-referential S. J. Perelman knockoffs on whatever topic happens to
spring to mind on a given day. But if you see any green-eyeshade types
whose expense accounts look in need of a trim, send 'em my way. I'm willing
to talk.  Meanwhile I'll just keep on at the Olive Garden, schlepping Zuppa
Toscana to blue-haired matrons who wouldn't know a 15% tip if it bit them
on the steatopygia. It's a pig's life, I tell you.


We note with anticipatory pleasure that the Austin Powers sequel, due out
later this year, is to be named "The Spy Who Shagged Me." Could someone
please explain to me--what does that mean?


Django: Anything with Stephane Grappelli and the Quintet du Hot Club de
France. Sounds like crotchless panties and cheap bondage gear, I know, but
it was the nimblest, most elegant little string band there ever was. The
Classics (Qualiton) label put out a year-by-year anthology of Django's
career from 1934 to 1947. My particular fave-rave year is 1935-36, which
You're Gone," during which Old Two-Fingers does the guitaristic equivalent
of a quadruple Lutz while leaping 57 buses and brokering a Middle East
peace agreement. Wow, is another word for it. There's a shorter
compilation, called "Djangologie, Vols. 1 & 2" on the Drg label (Catalog
Number: 8424) that contains most of the indispensible stuff. Off you go.

The pic at gives a hint about
Django's two-fingered style: He didn't completely lose the use of the ring
and pinky fingers in that fire--although they do look pretty twisted in the
photo--but he had to sort of lug them onto the fretboard when he wanted to
form a ninth chord.

Why don't we wear moustaches like that anymore?


Watt: Relax. Enlightenment might be closer than you think.


Mike V.: The mid-Seventies departure of Jeff "Skunk" Baxter from Steely Dan
to the Doobie Brothers, attended as it was with public contract disputes,
desolated fans, and "Will-he-turn-them-around?" editorials, resembled
nothing other than the trading of a star reliever for a shortstop to be
named later.  It was a culmination of a long line of events that convinced
the fifteen-year-old whose zits I used to squeeze that mainstream rock
music was finally indistinguishable from professional sports, and that it
might be time to start casting about for something new. That something came
in the form of Patti Smith's "Horses," and I for one have never regretted


Dear San Francisco: I was naked. I was not aroused.

Harrison "...And the wisdom to tell the difference..." Sherwood


Message-ID: <>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Re: Tin Soldier
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:00:38 PST




Thanks for the info. Can't get on, thanks to our accursed corporate
firewall, but going on Dave's known love for oldies, I'd hazard a guess
that it's a cover of the famous 1968 single by the Small Faces? It was
written by Steve Marriott for his then-wife, and features the incendiary
P.P. Arnold on backing vocals. Todd Rundgren did a cover of it on his
"Ever-Popular Tortured Artist Effect" album, too.

Oh ... and could you stop shouting please?



Message-ID: <>
From: Ed Daranciang <>
Subject: AV for $5.88
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:30:07 -0800

I just placed my on-line order for Apple Venus from Music Blvd
(, and with the $10 first time users coupon, my
bill totaled $5.88 -- wow; the new XTC CD, delivered to my home, for under
six bucks. What a great country we live in!!

And thanks to Richard Pedretti-Allen for setting up the XTC Gathering at
Scotties in Sunnyvale. It was worth the drive from S.F. to hear other fan's
XTC stories, and the Andy & Colin demos and Remoulds cuts. And thanks
especially for the amusing "Andy Rantings" tape. The people I got my
courage up to start a conversation with (I'm usually shy) all seemed to be
down-to-earth, nice people -- John R., Randy, Olof, Chris D, and other
names I can't quite recall. Next time, let's do it in a place that we can
set up some instruments -- I'll promise to bring my drum set!

Trivia: the "Tin Soldier" cover on Remoulds was a Small Faces song (also
covered by Todd Rundgren on The Ever Popular Tortured Artist Effect),
written by Ronnie Lane.

Ed in S.F.


Message-Id: <>
From: "J & J Greaves" <>
Subject: Fw: New XTC
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:40:36 -0800

Here's one for Cooking Vinyl or TVT if you are lurking. Who is getting XTC
to Canadian radio?

I've sent a few of these "are you going to play the new XTC" questions out
to likely stations, and the response is much like below; people are excited
the band is still going but haven't heard anything from industry.

Muchmusic wants a video too!

> Good question.  I'm a big fan, but we'll have to hear it first.  None of the
> record reps have brought it by yet.
> Keep listening!!!!
> Steve Parsons
> Music Director,
> Rock 101



From: Kimberly Martin <>
Subject: BILL HICKS!!!
Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:24:51 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)

	I noticed some Stipe-slagging on the most recent 'hills and
just thought I'd put my own two cents worth in.  I attend the
University of Georgia, which is in Athens, GA, the town where Michael
Stipe lives (but I'm sure you all knew that already).  Anyway, I've
never talked to Stipe personally, but many people I know say that he's
a bit pretentious and can even be an asshole, i.e. he's a "sensitive
artist." I was at a Beck show about 2 years ago here in Athens, and
Stipe was at the show.  He was standing about 10 feet or so behind me
and some friends.  He was surrounded by a small entourage and had this
really pretentious look on his face.  One sorority-looking girl went up
to him asking for his autograph and she walked away crying.  Tears of
joy for meeting her hero, or did he really insult her that bad?  I
don't know, but he just had the aura of "asshole." BTW, I don't think
he was signing any autographs, and what DID he say about the Beatles
anyway?  I'm assuming it wasn't very good.

Chris wrote:

>   Man, Bill Hicks was the real reincarnation of Jim Morrison, and he never
> sang a note. The guy is possibly the greatest comic I've ever seen, and I
> have yet to find any of his videos for sale or rent(or room to let, fifty
> cents :-))here in Vermont. Once in a blue moon Comedy Central will run some
> of his old material, and those evildoers of the world had better run for the
> hills screaming, 'cause Bill Hicks is coming and he's got a microphone and
> he knows how to use it.

Oh man oh man, I LOVE Bill Hicks!!!  He is one of my idols.  I have
every comedy CD he has ever released (there are 4 available from
Rykodisc), and you may be very interested to know this, Chris--I have
three whole videotapes full of Hicks material (including "Relentless,"
"Live in London," "Bill vs. the Audience" [EXTREMELY funny, altho I
feel sorry for young Bill], and "Ninja Bachelor Party.").  We could
possibly work out a trade, cos I love spreading the good news of Bill.
I hear there's more stuff available, but this is all I've managed to
get my hands on for now.

I'm so glad to hear that the boys are actually going to release a box
set of demos.  FINALLY!  I may stand very alone in this opinion, but I
think they should have released a box set of demos in the first place
instead of "Transistor Blast"--I mean, I bought TB and like it (already
had the BBC 1 disc tho, which I shelled out more than I should've for
while in London about a year ago), but some of the studio takes just
sound so similar to the originals that I can barely even tell them
apart at times.  But, maybe releasing this set was just a good business
move, cos even tho fossil fuel and upsy daisy were released not long
ago, I didn't buy those cos I already have all the albums.

anyway, I'm droning on too long.
au revoir!
93 93 93


Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:54:43 -0600
From: Suzanne Cerquone <>
Subject: That Tower Records Empire Thang

D-erek the Indie Music Store Guy Said:

>>The only reason new cd's are $17 at Tower is because the Distributor
(the next link in the chain after the Record Company) charges the retail
store $11-13 per disk, not $.20.<<

There are no "next link" distributors  (for the most part) for Tower
Records.  Tower orders direct from the labels.  Because of their size, of
course.   Your store probably doesn't do the volume to justify ordering
direct from the labels.   Therefore, big chains like Tower and Best Buy can
escape the middle-man and lower prices.

I used to work for TVT and sold to Tower.   They're paying $9-10 at the
most.  Not .20, I agree (that I think was just an exaggerated lashing-out
from someone who was complaining about CD prices overall).

BTW, you can order directly from TVT.  They don't impose outlandish
"ordering quotas" like the major labels do.   $200 and you're set to go.


The Web North America
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Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:11:50 EST
Subject: XTC near the top of the charts

... On Los Angeles's very influential public radio station, KCRW,
anyway. We just got their Top 50 playlist and Apple Venus is... are you
ready? Number FIVE. I need to start actually listening to the radio...

> If by some bizarre chance you like XTC *and* Roy Harper <

Mr. Harper has been playing semiregularly at Largo here in LA... I caught
part of a show and, having previously been unfamiliar with his work, was
rather impressed. Which album and/or albums might one buy first?

The Gallery of Indispensable Pop Music \ the coolest cds on the Internet


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:42:10 -0500
From: Jim Slade <>
Subject: RE: The World is Full of Complacent Young Men

In responding to someone named "Jason Garcia", who's not going to pay $17
for a CD, someone using the e-handle "d-erelict" (aka "d-erek") said, among
other things, the following:

> The only reason new cd's are $17 at Tower is because the Distributor
> (the next link in the chain after the Record Company) charges the retail
> store $11-13 per disk, not $.20. And these store take a LOT of money to
> keep going...

GIVE ME A BREAK!  What about Tower's (or any chain's) ability to order in
bulk, at discounted rates?  Also, it's not like the distributors buy the
CDs at cost - or $2 - and then mark them up to $12 for stores!!!  How about
the money that they make by selling 8 billion copies of every new Boyz 2
Thugz release?  It seems to me like all those "lucky," low-overhead
independent stores are folding while the corporate giants spring up every
few blocks.  God bless those chain stores!

Oh, XTC content?  I heard an Apple Venus 1 (man, what a terrible title - no
wonder everyone abbreviates it!) track over the web, on WFMU, the other
day, and it sounded real good - a little like The Kinks' "Autumn Almanac".
For the first time this very skeptical (but still hoping), angry old XTC
fan was excited for the new album.

Visit the Wonderful World of Groove Disques (with little overhead!:P)


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:54:45 -0500
From: Jim Slade <>
Subject: Tin Soldier

That cover of "Tin Soldier" is very cool!  It's a Small Faces song, from the
excellent "There Are But Four Small Faces" album.  Is that Dave singing?



From: (Joel Flaxman)
Message-Id: <9902022220.ZM1346@custer>
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:20:56 -0600
Subject: My VH1 observations -- in list form!

1. It was nice to see XTC on TV.
2. Andy was funny.
3. They didn't let Colin talk
4. They didn't mention DG
5. They made it sound like Andy's stagefright came about after Nonsuch
6. Would it have been so hard to say, "XTC is nearly finished with a new
album that will be released shortly?"
7. Did you notice that almost all the music used in the background during
the show was Beck or Blues Traveler?

Joel "salivating over Fuzzy Warbles" Flaxman


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:21:38 EST
Subject: VH-1; Wall of Sound info

'lo, everyone,

It was well worth sitting through everything else to see XTC get a bit of
TV coverage.  VH-1's "British Invasion" program will be replayed Wed.
night at 8 and if you want to be surgically precise about it, tune in
at 8:55 to see 'em again!  Yeah, they save the best for last...  8 )

Wall of Sound []
has a generic combination update and capsule album review
(favorable); it also lists the AV1 release date as March 2.

Are there any insiders who can provide a definitive release date?



Message-ID: <>
From: "Molly Fanton" <>
Subject: XTC on Where Are They Now?
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:16:42 PST

   That was a good but short segment on VH1's Where Are They Now?.  I
thought Andy was his usual witty self.  The only two things I had a
problem with was they didn't mention anything about Dave Gregory's
departure or AV.  That really mad me upset.  I wonder why they didn't
mention the release of AV Vol. 1?
   Also, I sent in my check to Music Boulevard, and now I can't wait
until AV Vol. 1 comes out.  I'm confused though, I remember reading
someone saying they talked to one of their local record stores and the
guy said that AV Vol. 1 is coming out on Feb. 12.  Then I hear that it's
not coming out until March 2?  What the heck is going on.  Also, when
you pre-order an album off of a online record store, does it go out to
consumers the day of the albums release or before?  I just want to know,
so I can prepare myself to get it.



Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:43:33 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris Clee <>
Subject: Re: fiddle faddle
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.00.9902030942570.8288-100000@piranha>

got you to listen close tho didn't i......hehe




Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 99 11:27:09 +0100
From: (SOLANS, Frederic)
Subject: AAAARRRGGG !!

     Yeeeeeessssss !!!
     After Mojo and Q, the french weekly Les Inrockuptibles inserts Easter
     Theater on his subscribers-only CD ! Aggagagaggaxxszzz !!!
     4'37" of pure happiness. I knew already the song, but...I CAN'T FIND
     WORDS !! (I know, as usual. But even in my language JE NE TROUVE PAS
     LES MOTS !!)
     TB was correctly announced around here (Les Inrocks., Blah-Blah, Rock
     & Folk and maybe more), with very positive coments and great
     expectation about AV1 (well, nothing compares to a new Celine Dion
     release, but not a complete desert).
     20 days before THE thing !! I can wait, I can wait, I can wait.....

     Fredo Fat Bassman


Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 99 12:23:20 +0100
From: (SOLANS, Frederic)
Subject: happy...unhappy

     This is our world, good and bad both. After the good with Easter
     Theater on their new subscribers CD, Les Inrockuptibles serves us the
     bad with the Boo Radleys' split announcement. After Lush, The Wedding
     Present and Dodgy, very sad period for british noisy front...

     Fredo Fat Bassman


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:34:00 +0100
From: dieling <>
Subject: Peel that transistor

I may be a culturally inferior Kraut-eating twat for not knowing this,
but is it John Peel speaking on Opening Speech on TB or is it an
impersonation ?

residing in The Lemon Lounge


Message-ID: <>
From: "jonathan monnickendam" <>
Subject: AVI get together in London/GOOD TO BE BACK
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 07:11:02 PST

A belated happy new year from someone who has been offline since early
December and never imagined that being made redundant would bring such
relief. Unfortunately anything to do with e-mail was lost.

If not already done by someone else I am proposing a AVI get together in
London in late Feb/early March, weekday or weekend, probably in Central
London,ie at a time when we will have all had time to digest said
offering so if any interested please get in touch, even those from last

The Guardian published its list of the alternative top 100 albums, a
list topped by Nick Drake,and there was no XTC to be seen. The Lilac
Time's Paradise Circus got to 90th and PereUbu's stupendous Modern Dance
made it to 67. PIL's metal box was in there somewhere.

bye for now

jon m

currently comprehending the CD Captain Beefheart, the early years 59 -


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:25:18 -0800 (PST)
From: nross <>
Subject: Grass... should it be smoked? or worn?

Oh... damned it I forget what the latest digest is...
anyway, David Oh responded to a post by (Deborah?)
about the song Grass by... well, Andy according to her, but really
by Colin... And she wanted to know, "girls" if the voice makes
you swoon:

Colin's songs make me swoon, that is the word I apply all the time.
His songs are warm and inviting and wonderful and etc,etc.

If you mistook Andy for Colin on Grass, listen to I'll set myself
on fire.  I really could have sworn it was Andy! Alas, it is not!

Swooning, Nicole


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:36:36 -0500
From: John Irvine <>
Subject: Jenna's Trousers

<SO, anyone wanna try JENNA Elfman?>
In a heartbeat, but I am married.

And someone mentioned Trouser Press.  At a point in my life when I was
Mr. New Wave Record Collector, that book was the shit (if memory serves,
ES was a wedding cake that would topple but for the bands brilliance, or
some such).  It wasn't until I spent a ton of money on the Desperate
Bicycles LP that I realized that book's fallability.

Throw away your dictionary - the Minutemen

John Irvine


Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:45:02 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris Clee <>
Subject: Re: the green man
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.00.9902031644080.8288-100000@piranha>

got a few pubs 'round here named after the fabled green man, cool or what




Message-Id: <>
Date: 03 Feb 99 11:56:24 -0500
From: Jennifer Ralston <>
Subject: RE: L'homme vert/Dom

A quick one, not quite as manic as last time...

Janis VanCourt asked:
>OK, not that it TRULY matters, since the song is positively sublime no
>matter what it's called, but can anyone confirm whether the title is
>"The Green Man" or "Green Man" or "Greenman"?

Well, according to the advance CD, it's "Greenman" - your greatest
fear...but no ominous 'Firm'-like mentions therein; after listening to it
you will forget lawyers even exist. Probably.

And to Dom,

> The ghastly bint who
>destroyed "Dear God" could not have sounded less sincere if she'd spent five
>years at Insincerity School and must surely rival that squealing harridan
>from Ally McBeal for sheer audacity in the face of zero talent. Hideous.

If things ever turn sour (again) between you & your new paramour David,
I'll marry you myself.


Say a sunflower I became, I'd be growing in your brain...


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:13:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: XTC on Where are They Now

Caught most of the VH1 Where are They Now show last night. While it
was enjoyable (and a little excruciating) seeing so many 80's English
bands, I also felt the coverage on XTC could have been a little
better. They didn't even mention AV1, although they briefly showed the
cover of TB.
I have mixed feelings about XTC appearing on a program called Where
are They Now. One one hand, I suppose it's good publicity, and the
producers of that show seem to fairly often find artists who are mking
a comeback in one form or another. On the other hand, it lumps them in
with a lot of lessers (Wang Chung, Bow Wow Wow, etc) who either aren't
performing together anymore or are doing the oldies reunion tour thing
(which has always struck me as a little pathetic, both for the band
and the audience). I would prefer XTC to get exposure for their
current projects, not for being a decade old blip on the music scene.


Message-ID: <>
From: "Doug Terrell" <>
Subject: Re: XTC and Oingo Boingo
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:20:48 PST

Hate to be the one to nitpick, but the concert at Frejus from "URGH!"
featured only XTC, Skafish, The Police, and UB40. The Oingo Boingo
segment was filmed at a concert in California with the Go Gos and the
Alley Cats. Incidentally, AP's performance in the film is so awkward, it
is easy to see why he gets anxious playing in front of a crowd.

>Look to the concert film "URGH!!!! A Music War" (1980) to see a very
>young XTC and a very young Boingo sharing a stage.  Mssrs. Partridge and
>Elfman can be spotted at the end, as I recall, singing backup to Sting
>and the Police.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:27:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: History of Rock & Roll

What would appear as the sound of the 90's if Andy Partridge had made
"The History of Rock'n'Roll" now ?

My guess is that it would be a hip-hop rhythm...


Message-ID: <>
Date: 3 Feb 99 10:31:27 PST
From: Brian Wysolmierski <>
Subject: VH1

I watched the VH1 thing.
D-U-M-B, that is how I spell Limahl's (from Kajagoogoo) haircut in my
XTC's section was too short, didnt mention Dave Gregory, didnt mention
Apple Venus, etc...
It sucked, but at least Colin got in ONE word.
-Brian Wysol


Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:52:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Andrea Lynn Rossillon <>
Subject: XTC on VH1
Message-ID: <>

Well, folks, I know that everyone was on the net within minutes to express
their dissatisfaction.  But I stayed up and watched it, by God, so I'm
going to comment.

Well.  Besides sticking XTC at the very end, VH1 never even mentioned the
coming of Apple Venus (which makes me wonder when the segment was actually
shot--does anyone know?). though they did mention Transistor Blast.  And
while they showed the covers of Black Sea and White Music, they didn't
identify them, and they said that "they made it big with the singles Dear
God and The Mayor of Simpleton."  Agh!  What about the ten years _before_
Skylarking?  Grump grump grump.  They were much bigger with their early
stuff than they ever were later.



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