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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 40

                Tuesday, 15 December 1998

Today's Topics:

                         Gold CDs
                    zappa is the best
                     Re: 100 best...
                    Prince Mastelloto
         Last Wurd on Drummahs (or mine, anyway)
                       TB comments
       Re: Don't Shoot! I'm Only Talking Bollocks!
                       Best of 98?
                      PRESIDENT BILL
                     Louisiana sucks!
                      Happy Holidays
               have you got Miss Givings...
                       Neon scuffle
               belated blessings on the way
          No Vibration Without Pulse Modulation!
News only list, Blur, Taxation, number plates and demo delight.
                     More On Drummers
                    Re : Fair Taxation
                       RE David Oh


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:32:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Whitman <bwhitman@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Gold CDs
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9812150128230.23431-100000@wpi.WPI.EDU>

I've got Skylarking on Gold CD. I love it. The packaging is inane and
annoying (I'm talking about that cd-holder device that immediately broke
on mine). I'm no audiophile, but when I pop in this one in headphones,
yes, there is a big difference. The instruments seem to have more space
around them. Hard to explain. True, if I'm listening to it in my car or as
background music while wokring, I can't tell. But XTC deserves better than
'background music,' and I am glad to have this clearer copy of Skylarking
to cherish and listen to. I really wish they would have not screwed with
the song order, it's got Dear God on there (American version I guess...)

-brian, mermaid smiled (and go2) fan

Brian Whitman -
Crudites - sound _is_ information.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:07:55 EST
Subject: clarification

I just wanted to clarify about what I said about the keyboard on Go2.  It's
not Barry's playing, but the timbre, the SOUND of the keyboard itself I find
annoying.  I like Barry's playing and sensibility, and it certainly is not
discordance that I have a problem with.  In fact, during younger days my
criteria in listening to music involved it somewhat.  it's simply that
particular sound used so much that I find excessive and a little grating.
Even that particular sound used more sparingly would be fine, but it simply
is too 'cheesy,' for the lack of a better word for my taste, especially
considering innovations going on around that time (Weather Report's Black
market and Heavy Weather - Zawinul is still one of the all-time masters of
keyboard textures - and other 'prog' things, like the Genesis stuff with
Tony Banks [like it or not])

I almost forgot to shout out to fellow fans of Japanese noise rock that
spoke a few issues back.  I LOVE Boredoms, Ruins and Melt Banana (the latter
a recent discovery.  A question for those who brought up the subject: what
other bands might I like if I like those?  You can email me separately if
you like at NUDEANTS Thanks!

matt mitchell

PS  Listened to Mummer again tonight.  Fucking brilliant!  Of the outtakes,
I like Gold the best.  The albums is really a seamless progression (mostly
considering what was on the original album, of course)


Message-ID: <000901be280c$1f52ef00$d08319d4@>
From: "Hall of Fame Records" <>
Subject: zappa is the best
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:10:50 +0100

Perdon por no escribir en ingles. Yo adoro la musica de Zappa, XTC, Split
Enz y Cardiacs. Luis Reynaldo.

Hall of Fame Records.


Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:55:03 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris Clee <>
Subject: Re: 100 best...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.00.9812150951250.5337-100000@piranha>

wild i seem to have just about all of the 1960's, 1970's stuff (even
faust 4 on original and reissue) about 60%
of the 80's fall though and I reckon steroelab and calvin
party deserve mentions in the 1990's......looks like as far as this list
are concerned i had more taste when i was younger.......damn i must be
getting old and out of touch (hehe)



Chris Clee
Team 55
The Sanger Centre


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:47:43 EST
Subject: Prince Mastelloto

  OK, I'll concede that Terry was the drummer that fit best with XTC's
style; when he was with them they sounded like a band, and after he left XTC
was in great danger of turning into the British Steely Dan(not to dis Fagan
& Becker, who I respect greatly as songwriters and musicians), a studio
project that sounds like one. Thankfully, the good-to-great drummers XTC
hired for each subsequent album helped give at least some of the tracks the
necessary kick.  The notable exception, ironically, is on O&L. Technically
speaking, Mastelloto is the flashiest drummer XTC has hired, and for the
kind of album they were clearly trying to make, he's pretty much
appropriate. I'd even go as far as to say he's technically the best drummer
they've hired. That would arguably be true if they hired Phil Collins, who I
agree should shut up and play them drums already. Peter Gabriel's overdue
for a new album, maybe he could use a drummer; besides Tony Levin on bass,
Dave Gregory could probably use some work about now. However, most of the
other drummers on XTC's albums were more precision and feel drummers, and in
a way it takes a really great drummer to play a really simple and repetitive
part and not sound bored or boring. Both Terry and Dave(Mattacks)are really
good at that. Check Mattacks' drumming on Richard Thompson's "Shoot Out The
Lights," for example. The song's tempo can best be described as grindingly
slow, yet Mattacks grinds along with it and actually propells it; without
him it would be an excruciating drone like Chinese water torture. No wonder
Thompson rarely plays the song solo.
  A quick comment about Prince; I'm a huge fan of him as an all around
talent.  The very first thing I heard from him was a live video of a song
from 1980's Dirty Mind that featured the confused young man leaping around
the stage in a dress pealing off these jaw-dropping Hendrix-meets-Santana
guitar licks(and practically making love to his guitar in the process). I
was intrigued. I wasn't interested enough to get one of his albums, though I
enjoyed some of the hits I heard. His lyrics are often infantile, but so
were Brian Wilson's at times, and he's a genius too. Later in the 80's he
didn't have as many hits(maybe one per album rather than three or four)but
his music got more interesting. For the most good songs per album, get '87's
Sign Of The Times; the title track alone is one of the most chilling slices
of ghetto funk since Sly and the Family Stone's There's A Riot Going On
album over twenty-five years ago, and the rest of the album is his most
musically varied work ever. A little known more recent gem is the Chaos And
Disorder album, an album recorded in the early '90's his record company
released against his wishes to satisfy contractual obligations(and
exacerbated the problems he had with his record company that I'm sure XTC
fans can relate to), but it's surprisingly good; several good Prince rock
songs with loads of mad guitar, some more R&B influenced stuff but more
hard-edged than usual, even a blues. Supposedly he's got an entire album's
worth of blues material in the can.
  Well, guess that wasn't a quick note. Damn.


Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:08:15 -0500
From: "Todd E. Jones" <>
Subject: Last Wurd on Drummahs (or mine, anyway)


I know, I know, I was one of the ones who jumped into the rate-the-drummers
fray. It is a silly little exercise, with little value other than amusement
(like those 1-900-PSYCHIC services). Allow me to put Pat M. bashing into

1) Pat M. is a very good drummer - no doubt the guy can play, is inventive
and is a long-time XTC phan.
2) Pat M. played with Mr. Mister - one of the most justifiably maligned
bands of the late 80's. "Take these Beatles lyrics and learn to make a
mint." Gimme a freaking break. That band was so lame it totally taints our
view of poor Pat.
3) O&L was produced very differently from other XTC albums. Some love it,
some hate it, I find it works wonderfully on some tunes (Simpleton, C&C)
not well on others (Prez Kill). Regardless, it is starkly atypical XTC sound.

I think these three factoids conspire to create a havoc-filled dialog
regarding Mr. Mastelloto (sp?).

I'm as happy to listen to him play as any other XTC drummer.

Todd Jones
Manager, Producer, Insect Massage Therapist, Janitor
HUGE sound generation and capture facility
Cape Fear River Basin, NC


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:04:47 -0600
From: Greg Mascioli <>
Subject: TB comments

Just received my copy of TB and isn't it nice to have a very cool box
set of XTC for the holidays.  Haven't listened to all of the discs just
yet, but from what I have heard, the audio quality is excellent and the
guitar playing  is superb!

After reading the liner notes (only minor complaint, for a box set the
liner notes are weak - wish there were more info on the tracks and any
background info on the actual recordings), listened a little more
closely to the drums.  I think I understand Andy's comments about Terry
- he was rock solid and a perfect anchor for the band at that time.  I
can't imagine any of the XTC drummers who could have been a better
addition at that point in time and playing live.

Also, didn't realize that TVT was the new label for the upcoming Apple
Venus release.  Will this new label provide any more financial stability
to the Andy and Colin?  Hate to think XTC is taking day jobs.  But you
know what?  The music industry is a pretty scummy industry.  A lot of
very worthwhile bands have been left on the asphalt as fresh roadkill
for any number of reasons, but many reasons stem from mis-management and
poor promotion.  Not sure about the former, but the later certainly
applies to XTC.

Happy holidays to all.



Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:05:08 +0000
From: Dominic Lawson <>
Subject: Re: Don't Shoot! I'm Only Talking Bollocks!

OK, before I get a severe slapping from every apologist for capitalism in
the western hemisphere.....

Yeah, I can imagine what many of you will say about taxes.. In fact, I will
probably agree with most of it. Unfortunately I think I've shot myself in
the foot again by not clarifying exactly what I mean. My comments were meant
to be over the top, not least as a reaction to the pro-Phil Collins lobby,
and an exaggeration of what I really think, but I thought that would come
across. Oops.

I live in a country where the views I expressed are fairly common (albeit in
a milder form!), and where "socialism" still has many supporters (most of
whom can probably explain their beliefs a lot better than I) and isn't yet a
dirty word. It's not at all the same as communism, in case anyone thinks I'm
some sort of pinko subversive.  I guess that America, with its two main
parties occupying pretty much the same political ground (give or take a few
welfare cuts and a dash of religious fanaticism), has a lot less tolerance
for left-wing economics, and I suppose that's understandable.

I wouldn't want my money "confiscated" either, but then I earn a feeble
amount. I wouldn't say no to twenty or thirty thousand pounds a year, but
that's hardly comparable to the earnings of major rock stars. I just don't
see how anyone can justify having so much money when it could be put to so
much good use - it's not as if losing 50% of millions is going to leave you
on the poverty line!

Personally I think the problem is this anti-tax culture that had developed
alongside global capitalism. There was a time, in this country at least,
when people accepted taxes as a necessary way to ensure that public services
were maintained and that the "have-nots" were provided for. Unfortunately,
these days we are all too concerned with protecting what we have , getting
more and **** everyone else. That's contrary to the whole notion of society,
and definitely contrary to the spirit of XTC (and I needed a crowbar to get
that one in...).

Also, I think the idea that anyone can achieve wealth if they want, or that
all it takes is motivation and a positive attitude to succeed in life, is a
bit dubious. It may be true for the educated, intelligent or well-off, but
for many people these opportunities are largely mythical and so the only
immediate alternatives are crime or destitution. Many of us are lucky in
that we have the requisite intelligence and abilities to (usually) ensure
that we are earning enough (for us), and are thus approaching "comfortable"
(which is not the same as obscenely wealthy, which is the thing I have a
problem with) but millions of people don't have that luxury. Saying "go for
it" doesn't really help when your mother's a crack addict and the
neighbourhood's full of people with guns and inner demons! Some people get a
shit deal - that's how life is.

So just to set the record straight, I don't think anyone should be taxed
more than 33% unless they earn SHITLOADS OF MONEY, i.e. the sort of obscene
amounts of money "earned" by major baseball stars, company bosses and the
biggest of rock stars. I don't want us all to wear grey, eat gruel and march
single file, reading the thoughts of Mao. (Mind you, maybe for some
people.....) Once we've collected all that tax, we can give it to Andy &
Colin so we don't have to wait seven cocking years for the next album...

I hope that clears it up, in case anyone's planning to slag me off for still
believing in socialist principles. Oh, and the "up against the ****ing wall"
remark was so obviously meant to be a joke that I am beginning to wonder if
there's some bad acid in circulation. Honestly, I know it's hard to tell
sometimes if people are joking or not, but credit me with some humanity at

Apologies for the lack of XTC content.....(although here's a thought - why
not respond to my XTC-related comments for a change? There's a few more
Cardiacs fans on the block from what I can gather so I'm obviously not
completely wasting my time...)

Oh, and my copy of Song Stories is waiting for me at the Post Office (thanks
Sue!), but I finish work too late to pick it up!
AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!! It's a stitch-up!

Anyway, I'm off for a couple of weeks of heavy drinking and intensive
music-listening. A very merry Ozzmas to you all! Be seeing you!

"Sod the Third Way - we haven't tried the second one yet!"


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:55:05 -0500
From: John Irvine <>
Subject: Best of 98?

Winter is here, end of the season, and it's time to hear from y'all
about your fave releases of 1998. It was a lousy year for music buying
for me- haven't been too inspired by anything to go out and buy it.
This is probably due to there being no decent college radio in Baltimore
and being burned by OK Computer last year. (ONE good song - yeeps)

Here are the discs I bough that I actually like:

Transistor Blast (duh)
Stereolab - Aluminum Tunes
Komeda - What Makes it Go?
Beck - Mutations

...and that's about it.  I bought some stuff that sucked, but I won't go
into that here.  What did y'all buy that floated yer boats?

Obligatory Phil Collins content:

anagram: Chillin' Slop

-John Irvine


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:32:23 -0400
From: Brian <>


>Jesus!  You express one thought in this digest and the whole place turns
into an impeachment hearing!<

I wonder if this is how President Bill feels right about now...!

* Digital & traditional illustration/animation
* Caricaturist-for-hire
* RENDERMAN ~ One-Man Band Ordinaire


Message-ID: <>
From: "Amanda Owens" <>
Subject: Louisiana sucks!
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:56:25 PST

I put Transistor Blast on my Christmas list, seeing as that my new job
is not the best-paying one, and sent my mother off on the mission to
find it. Of course, living in Blues-Jazz-Rap Central, it's hard to come
across anything decent in the record stores. After trying the smaller,
mall-type stores like Sam Goody and Camelot, mom hitched over to Tower
Records and the Virgin Megastore, yet STILL came up empty-handed!!! Even
worse, she refuses to order it online. So my Christmas is blown. And how
was YOUR day, everyone???

Tis all for now,
Amanda C. Owens
"People will always be tempted to wipe their feet on anything with
welcome written on it."-Andy Partridge
XTC song of the day-Shiny Cage
non XTC song-Don't Let Me Down-The Beatles (I have been on an incredible
Beatles kick since the anniversary of John's death passed. "It was 18
years ago today, that fucking Chapman took a genius away.....")


Message-ID: <>
From: "Molly Fanton" <>
Subject: Happy Holidays
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:13:34 PST

     I just wanted to wish all of you in Chalkhilland a very Happy
Holiday season.  I'm hoping to get Transistor Blast for X-Mas if not
I'll buy it with my money I get.



Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:40:43 -0500
From: "Simmons, Jonathan S." <>
Subject: have you got Miss Givings...

Hi all. Long-time lurker, very infrequent post-er...

Regarding Apple Venus (Volume 1)...does anyone else out there share my
misgivings that XTC may be making another in a series of tactical mistakes
(marketing-wise) by taking the orchestral rather than the electric tack on
the FIRST of the new CDs? I have listened to two different disks o'AV demos,
and while a majority of the new songs have definitely set the XTC excitement
meter soaring, the ones about which I feel the most "enh" are the ones that
will make up the bulk of AV1.

I realize that I am just one person, and that my preferences are nothing on
which to base sweeping generalizations (is there another kind?). And I may
well be the only one who feels that songs like "The Last Balloon," "Easter
Theater," and "River of Orchids" may not be as immediately accessible as,
say, songs like "Prince of Orange," "Dame Fortune," or even "Ship Trapped in
the Ice." There is certainly nothing wrong with songs that require a little
patience or even work to "get," but I fear that "second-tier" XTC fans (fans
who may not be rabid enough to follow the goings-on here at Chalkhills, but
who would perk up when the new album hits the stores) and the uninitiated
may jump at AV1 then recoil a bit when they hear a collection of songs that
are largely...grand and ponderous.

I know, I know...some people will LOVE the majesty of these songs. Maybe
even MOST people will. But I feel that XTC's commercial interests would best
be served by having a couple of catchy, radio-friendly tunes on their first
CD in several years. As it stands, the only one I could POSSIBLY see getting
any radio play at all is "I'd Like That" (I haven't heard "Frivolous
Tonight" yet, so maybe there's help there).

One hates to think that XTC should ever have to put such priorities ahead of
other considerations in plying their craft...but the harsh reality seems to
be that they desperately need to generate some dough (d'oh!) to keep the
music train chugging.

>From what I can gather (please set me straight, those in the know), the
commercial success of AV1 may well dictate the fate (existence?) of
AV2--ergo, I want AV1 to do as well as possible. I wish I felt better about

Someone please tell me that I am nuts, and that AV1 is going to thrive in
the marketplace...

-Jon S.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:32:33 EST
Subject: Neon scuffle

Liebe Kreidehuegler und Kreidehueglerinnen--

Dom sez:

>>Personally I firmly believe that NO ONE needs to earn the sort of
>>money that "fat cats" and the likes of Mr Collins earn. The "they earned
>>it" argument is, of course, bollocks - making records and travelling
>>extensively is hardly comparable to being a nurse, for instance.

Bob sez:

>You can hardly blame Phil for being willing to simply take the money
>that hordes of people are willing to give him. The real problem is the
>desires of the masses - they actually take joy in laying piles of money
>in Phil's hands, even while superior groups like XTC struggle to make a

I sez:

So redistributing the wealth won't do any good, because the masses will
still spend it on crap, right?

Everyone, just send all your money to me, and I'll personally make sure
it goes to those who deserve it. OK? OK.


While I'm here, let me tell you how great TB is. I love the neon colors,
the bright, lively sounds, hearing new versions of old songs, old friends
of mine. I looked for it at the Borders the other day, and tho it wasn't
there, I could picture it, sticking out among the drab black packaging
of the other boxed sets much as I did when I used to go dancing in my
fluorescent green or hot pink sweaters, matching tights and white-blond
hair (natural, I might add) twirling madly in a sea of black clothes, black
lipstick and black hair dye.

--Melissa "finding a way to make her own light" Reaves


Message-ID: <618F91505D89D21185330001FA6A4954082241@HFD-EXCH008>
From: "Witter, Karl F" <>
Subject: belated blessings on the way
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:05:11 -0500

After much prodding, my wife has phone-ordered XistorBlast for my birthday.
And I'm a Scorpio yet. Odd behavior from a woman who has Lands End and
LL Bean on speed dial.

Dawn French (yum) and SCTV in the same digest?
You folks amaze me with your great taste!

"My only son wants to be a cantor! Oh, the shame",


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:52:02 -0400
From: Harrison Sherwood <>
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Subject: No Vibration Without Pulse Modulation!

> From: Michael Roden <>
> Subject: Fair Taxation or confiscation?

> >From Dominic Lawson <>:

> >you are somewhat naive about how capitalism works.
> That is idiotic. I suggest that it is YOU who is naive about how
> capitalism works.


May I just point out that it is not without reason that countless generations
have passed down to us the shining wisdom that one does not discuss religion
or politics at table? And may I further suggest that Chalkhills is the very
table that they meant? The Phil Collins "thing"--a complete house of mirrors
by this time--has gone way beyond tiresome and is now veering dangerously
close to the ludicrous. Please, for everyone's sake: Take it private.

Michael, the wine stands by you, sir.

In the spirit of Moving On, I offer a few observations from my second reading
of Song Stories:

1) Page 22, Science Friction. I'm amazed no one has commented on this yet:
ASTROPHOBIA? Boy, that Partsy--even his childhood neuroses are cool! A web
search for the term reveals that it does appear on those long lists of
phobias that get emailed around (you know, the ones that always proudly
include "triskadekaphobia"--the fear of the number thirteen*), but these are
of pretty dubious medical value. "Legitimate" mental health and
anxiety-disorder sites seem to be silent on the topic, as far as I can
find. I did find a rare book for sale called "Phobia" (1931) by an
illustrator named John Vassos. The information is sketchy, but one
illustration, entitled "Astrophobia," is reproduced at the web site: Poor geezer in the pic
looks just like Partridge running home from a Cub Scout meeting. (Suggested
caption: "Astrophobia: the fear of huge Art Deco shower curtains")

The astrophobia revelation might also shed light on the emotion he invests
in the line "And the stars are laughing at us" from "Across this Antheap."
Can anybody think of any others?

Remember, from "Chalkhills and Children," Andy's mum's use of the word
"disabells" (from _deshabille_) for her knockers (p. 10)? Well, at I found "[Fear of] undressing in
front of someone- Dishabillophobia."

Any mental health professionals out there care to comment?

("Yes--Sherwood, please turn yourself in at the nearest drooling academy."
"Thank you.")

2) Page 124, photo: Andy blowing out the candles on a birthday cake. Look
carefully at the cake and you'll see a lovely Bronze Age equine decoration
that might jog your memory. Although the happy occasion purports to be
taking place during the recording of English Settlement, careful counting of
the candles on the cake reveals it to be only his sixteenth or seventeenth
birthday. Do we need any more evidence that the Walrus was in fact Colin, or
can we put this to bed now?

3) Page 180, discussion of the title for "Skylarking": "...[named] after the
skylarks in England's summer skies and the minor naval misdemeanor of
playing tag in a ship's rigging." Please refer to Chalkhills Digest #3-162,
a post by the very midshipman whose teeth I brush every morning. You're
welcome, Neville.

4) Page 203, illustration: Just under the lovely (and lovingly rendered!)
Delta of Venus in the upper right-hand corner, there appears a handwritten
list of candidate album titles for "Skylarking," some good, some terrible
("All Day Life"?!?); most notable among them, scribbled on the end like an
afterthought: "Pink Things Sing."

Harrison "And Sometimes Type" Sherwood

*This would be a good time to mention my particular favorite, my old friend
"Anatidaphobia," fear of ducks (!)

Pee Est: Interestingly, quite a lot of pork makes me want to music.


Message-ID: <7792192DE506D2119A6100A024F0274A15850E@PIMAIL>
Subject: News only list, Blur, Taxation, number plates and demo delight.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:23:54 -0000

Ben Gott mentioned that Blur were in the "Top 100 list of albums you
blah-de-blah"... has Damon AllBran ever admitted that "Stereotypes" was
a blatant rip-off, no, er, I mean (he lives just round the corner may be
I should ask him), er, tribute to "Respectable Street?"

Regarding Dom and hitting Page Down:
It would be awfully nice if some of the more verbal posters restricted
themselves a bit.  I don't have to pay for my bandwidth but other do -
okay a few K aren't going to make too much difference but over time...
May be it would be worth setting up another list of XTC news?  I've got
so much info to wade through already it would be nice to be able to drop
out of the list every so often and yet remain safe in the knowledge
that, if something actually happened I'd get told about it.  If I missed
everybody's verbiage then I could rejoin the main list as and when I


This taxation topic's getting out of hand... Michael Roden was having a go at Domonic Lawson:
DL:	Personally I firmly believe that NO ONE needs to earn the sort
of money... etc
MR:	I thought that this would be the LAST place that I would read
such utter nonsense. After three digests of your garbage, I have had

Actually, this *is* the place that I'd expect to hear from people with
this world-view.  (Although ,I too am a little fed up with hearing about
taxation and government.)

In an ideal world wouldn't you prefer to see a maximum wage of **some
sort**, or would you prefer to accumulate as much money as possible,
hanging onto it for as long as you can?  What are you going to do with
it all?!!

The problem with the capitalism thing is that there are too many people
only interested in the cumulative side and there aren't enough
philanthropists - "I earned the money, why shouldn't I keep it?"  No
problem, as long as you're earning less than 2 mill per year and
spending a healthy amount of it.  It's the people like smilin' Bill
Gates that should have some kind of reigns put on their fiscal wotsits.
He's got enough money to pay off several third-world style debts and
still have a goodly few million left over... so what does he do?  Give a
few pennies to the WHO to help with their vaccination program.  Ooh, now
you can be healthy and die of starvation!

MR:	I don't know which is more infuriating... your preposterous
<!!!!!> views on politics and economics ...blah..blah.... having
anything to do with XTC.

Oh shut up, you twat. (Sometimes eloquence just isn't needed)  Fair
enough about the non-XTC content but you're just as bad.
DL:	Re-distributing that wealth.
MR:	This is the oldest of socialist dogma... confiscate the wealth
of the successful to buy the support of the envious...

Huh????  Suddenly I'm envious rather than wanting to provide a better
standard of living for the people at the bottom of the heap?  I don't
want the money, I don't want a government to have the money.  Get the
idea?  I don't think that you will.
Some of your reposts are sound a little trite, is this a hobby of yours?
(BTW: That's repost as in fencing and conversation not re-post as in
NNTP)  "To buy the support of the envious?"  Ooh, get her.  Maybe
there's a right-wing version of Billy Bragg. (Bob Roberts?)  Ha! That's
it Michael is really Bob Roberts!  What'da'ya'mean you didn't see the

Dominic:	...maximum wage...blah...blah...Wealthy scumbags, one
and all, up against the ****ing wall, as we used to say at primary

MRoden:	You shouted a slogan like THAT in primary school? No wonder you
hold such extreme leftist views

I'm afraid Dominic's views aren't that extreme, but then you're so far
right you haven't got a clue.  Anyway, I think the "up against the wall
thing" was a joke.

Dominic:	Yeah, I know, I'm full of it.
MRoden:	Well, at least you admit it.

ME: And you don't.

Cheryl noticed an XTC number (license) plate...
I did too... Epsom, Surrey, UK.  Er, it's a number plate with XTC on it!

Just recently got the demos that seem to be "packaged" as "Knights in
Shining Karma" and so I'm just peachy!  I've been so busy that I haven't
had a chance to listen properly to anything but the first few tracks -
oooh "Wonder Annual"

It's late, unlike some of you I haven't got the time to refine my prose
so I'm going to leave it unpolished.  Any bad grammar is either on
purpose or due to shear laziness.

I'm Paul Stratford, don't listen to me.
xtc content to:
abuse and work:


Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:55:26 +1000
Subject: More On Drummers

Moron drummers?

I had to have another listen to "Drums & Wires" after all the recent
drummer discussions. I'd never really paid attention to the drums before
(not just on XTC albums, but in general) - now I can see that, especially
on "Roads Girdle The Globe" and "Reel By Real", Terry Chambers' playing
almost has a melody (at least, to my ears, it's more than just a matter of
keeping the rhythm). I'll be listening a lot more closely in future to
what's going on "in the background".

As far as other drummers are concerned, have a listen to "Hello Susie" by
The Move. At one point, Bev Bevan makes the drums sound like a motorbike
starting up - nifty in the extreme (which is almost enough to forgive him
for his later ELO involvement....).


"I rail against God because I was told to stop eating paste in Sunday
school" - P.J.O'Rourke.


Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:35:58 +1000
Subject: Re : Fair Taxation

(Warning : No XTC Content)

In Chalkhills #5-38, Dom Lawson posed this question regarding the
introduction of a consumption tax :

>> can you imagine what sort of vile, extremist ideology would lurk behind
government committed to such a scheme?

I don't need to imagine it - Australia has just such a right-wing
government committed to exactly this sort of scheme....and they've just
been re-elected.

By the way, Pauline Hanson is one of the early front-runners for the
"Australian Of The Year" award. Would the last person to leave the country
please turn off the lights?


"This is exactly how Nazi Germany started!" - Basil Fawlty.


Message-ID: <006501be2876$72b6ff00$441017d4@default>
From: "Steve Jackson" <>
Subject: RE David Oh
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:47:16 -0000

David wrote...
<we all have different tastes, some broader than other's. does this make
one's opinion "better" than another's, or is anyone's opinion right &
another's is wrong? puh-lease! another point is this; does our loving, &
listening to, xtc make us "better" than others? no, it doesn't! more
enlightened, perhaps, but not "better".>

What do you suggest we should be using this forum for then...? It'd be a
very dull newgroup indeed.

David continues<yes, prairie's playing was very good, especially on
"tmwsahs", but listen
to pat's playing on "poor skeleton" against the drum machine, or on
"chalkhills" or even on "scarecrow people". pat, prairie, dave, terry,
whoever, they r all talented drummers & they r all unique in their styles.
is any one "better" than the other? >

Errr yes. Billie (UK only) is 'unique in (her) style' therefore, your logic
dictates that she is as good as a songwriter as AP. Cher is unique in her
style doesn't make her any good.

<i saw xtc twice in 1980. terry's drumming was very interesting indeed.
again, "meat & potatoes"; >

Which album is that one on?  ;-)

<during both "nigel" & "generals & majors", terry used his
left hand 2 play the "peasoup - peasoup" part on the hi-hats, while the
right hand either played the tom-toms and/or snare drum. think about that!
it was very unusual 2 c that in a right-handed drummer, it almost looked

left handed hi-hat on Nigel....not on Generals and Majors. Is "Peasoup" on
the same album as "Meat and Potatoes"? (Actually the "Pea" is the closing
hi-hat and the s"Soup" is the bass drum beat which follows it)

<during recording of his 3rd album & is technically known as the "gated
drum" sound. the sound signal is run thru an electronic device call a gate,>

Called a gated reverb actually (BTW I'm a bit of a smart-arse)

"Dumb all over, a little ugly on the side"


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