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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 351

                 Friday, 24 December 1999

Today's Topics:

                   A Question of Honour
           The Million Drunk March in Las Vegas
  XTC vs. TMBG, a rewritten list, and much, much more...
                         XMAS XTC
                      Sound Effects
                    lycanthropy rules
        but Christmas isn't for another fortnight!
                      Silly Season?
       [JOKE] Andy Partridge Suicide. [JOKE] (fwd)
         Does Anyone Really Know What Time It Is?
           One more time and then I'll shut up
                     Nonsvch Supreme


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Message-ID: <001401bf4d84$5d930040$ad8b01d5@default>
From: "David Seddon" <>
Subject: A Question of Honour
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:27:33 -0000

To attempt to answer the matter that has been raised is, I fear, to invite
trouble since someone will probably get hold of a copy of DeBrets Peerage
and take issue with my facts.  However, I am confident that I at least know
the gist of the award system in the UK.

Twice a year the government/HM the Queen give out gongs.  There is the
Queen's Birthday Honours (which she picks most of) and The New Year's
Honours (which is more for the Government).  This year, there is to be a
special Millennium List to commemorate "Heroes of the Millennium."  Whilst
the Beatles only got MBEs in 1965 (Harold Wilson gave it to them for
"services to British Industry"), Paul became a knight a few years back.  It
is rumoured that the surviving members of the Fabs are also to be knighted
and it has even been muted that JOL is to be awarded it posthumously.  What
he would think of that or whether they would need Yoko's permission is
another matter!!  Mc Cartney may be elevated to a Lord.  Since that nomark
Lloyd Weber is already one then that's fair enough!!  If you ask me he got
it for being a posh Southern Jessie!

Other knights of rock are Sir Elton John and Sir Cliff (pass the sick bucket
for his latast effort) Richard.  Bob Geldof got an honourary one (as he's an
Irish citizen he wasn't allowed a full one ) and noone cares if he calls
himself "Sir Bob"...reckon he deserves it!!!!

The lowest award was a BEM ...British Empire Medal (but it's gone now)
OBE (Order of BE)
CBE (Commander of BE)
Knight (you get to be called Sir and there's 4 types Garter, Bath, Thistle
and St. Partick)...don't know which one Paul is.
Lord (of the hereditary Peer type)...not many of those these days, as it's

I don't think anyone has been awarded a rank above Viscount for a long time.
The top 3 are probably just members of the Royal Family
Now, I've almost certainly missed something out, but that's the gist and I
don't profess to be an expert!!


Message-ID: <000901bf4d87$3427a3c0$1ab59fce@default>
From: "Wes Hanks" <>
Subject: The Million Drunk March in Las Vegas
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:48:56 -0800

Some books I bought and read this year,

"The Battle of Kursk" - D. Glantz & J. House
"Citzen Soldiers" - S. Ambrose
 "A History of London" - S. Inwood
"Back in the USSA" - E. Byrne & K. Newman
"All Tomorrow's Parties" - W. Gibson
"American Front" - H. Turtledove
"Late Antiquity" - G.W. Bowersock, et al
The most excellent "Hyperion" series - D. Simmons
"Tales from the Drone's Club" - P.G. Wodehouse

Every cd I picked up this year has already been mentioned in other's lists.
Except, race out of the house with shaving cream still on your face to
purchase Joe Strummer's "Rock Art and the X-Ray Style"

Best pc game I picked up this year - MechWarrior 3

Best music magazine I discovered this year - UK's own - "Uncut"

Did anybody watch the restored version of "Greed" on TCM a few weeks ago?
Off-line feedback please.

Wes Hanks


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:40:16 -0800
Subject: XTC vs. TMBG, a rewritten list, and much, much more...
From: "Diamond" <>

>1) Andy thinks "Birdhouse in Your Soul" is a fantastic song but doesn't
>really like anything else on "Flood".

Birdhouse is one of the best songs by them, but if he liked that, he should
listen to Lincoln. Someone tell him that, please. Do you think it's the
music or the lyrics that turn Andy off?

>2) Andy *really* disliked the album "John Henry".

John Henry is probably their worst album, so I understand that. I can really
get into it though.

>3) Andy thought "XTC vs. Adam Ant" was 'eh'.

Fair assumption. Although I like it, it's obviosly not up andy's ally.

>Vermonters are very
>tolerant people, even when they disagree with a certain lifestyle.

 and they make good icecream, too... ben and jerry's is the best stuff in
the world

But honestly, I'm happy to hear that. I have a pretty good friend who came
out of the closet over a year ago, and I was surprised to hear that there
were people in my school who were totlally intolerent about it... why can't
they just let people do what they want... it's like jehovas witnesses,
coming to your door trying to force their beliefs on you. let people believe
what they want to believe, do what they want to do, f*ck who they want to
f*uck (escept, obviously, children and mentally challanged people) It's
amazing how stupid people can be sometimes.

I feel that I must re-write my best of 99 list. When I first wrote it, I
hadn't but many albums this year. I have since bought some that really
deserve to be on the list. So, here I go.

1. XTC - AV1/Homespun (I count it as one album)

2. John Linnell - State Songs (Incredible album... I've never had so much
fun listeng to an album. Really helps to show what Linnell adds to TMBG, by
seeing him by himself)

3. Ben Folds Five - Reinhold Messner (Didn't have it last time, and I could
kick myself for not getting it sooner)

4. Joe Jackson - Symphony #1 (Been listening to it a lot. Really good,
especially the second and fourht movements)

5. Flaming Lips - Soft Bulletin (Maybe it's a little early to be putting it
this high on my list, seeing as I just bought it yesterday, but it's really
quite good)

6. Beck - Midnight Vultures (Beck's always been a fifty-fifty musician to
me. I usually only like half of one of his albums. This one's more like
70-30. Really Good.)

7. Wilco - Summer Teath (bought it on tape, will have to buy it on CD now.
Anyone know how Being There is?)

8. Squeeze - Domino (it was alright... it's slowely growing on me...)

and I just bought 13 by blur... wow, it's really different. I wish it was
more like the Great Escape, but oh well...

I personal  note here, on December 18 I celebrated my aniversery... one year
of being an XTC fan. I listened to 0&L first (first album I bought by them)
and then went on to Nonsuch, Big Express, and Bull With The Golden Guts.
Great ceebration. Unfortunetly, I think Andy forgot. Maybe he didn't get my

Can I just say something here? XTC are really good. I mean, REALLY good. It
just makes me so warm inside listening to an album by them. I just wish I
could thank them in person just for being them. Anyone wont to send my
thanks on to them?

"To emphasize the afterlife is to deny life. To concentrate on heaven is to
create hell."
          -Tom Robbins


From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:51:14 +0100
Subject: 1999
Message-Id: <>

Dear Chalkers,

allright, I give in... you want lists? you got one!

My fave purchases of 1999, in no particular order:

- AV1, about 16 copies
- Homespun, 10 copies
- Israeli Times Square 2LP
- Japanese Waxworks cd
- French Great Fire 12"
- German Skylarking LP with regular, non-textured sleeve
- Filipino Peter Pumpkinhead 7"
- German This World Over 12"
- Dutch Black Sea LP with green outer bag
- Japanese Black Sea LP with Canadian (sic!) black plastic bag
etc etc etc

Oh yes, i also made one non-XTC purchase... i bought the new
album from the Kula Shakers but that turned out to be a big mistake
So i've learned my lesson, i'll stick to XTC from now on.

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:48:18 EST
Subject: XMAS XTC

I have two Christmas related suggestions for the XTC fan:

1)   Consider picking up "Song Stories" by Neville Farmer (& XTC) and
listening to one (or more) XTC albums while reading the chapter that
describes the songs on the album you're listening to.  I'm stuck at work and
not terribly busy, so I've been going through the albums in order, one or two
per day (I'm up to Mummer).  It's very entertaining and enlightening way to
pass the time (at least, its better than endless games of Free Cell on the
computer).  "Song Stories" shouldn't be too hard to find - I bought mine at
Barnes & Noble ($15 in a trade paperback edition).

2)  If you get any extra cash or record store gift certificates for
Christmas, consider picking up the "Transistor Blast" box set (assuming
you've already purchased AV1).  I was a little leery of it myself, having
discovered XTC in the mid-80s, after they stopped touring, and so I had
little regard for XTC as a live band (I was surprised to learn from "Song
Stories" how much XTC toured in the early days).  However, this box set of
"live" BBC studio and live concert recordings changed my mind.  The sound
quality is excellent and the performances show some of the older songs in a
new light.  Anyway, it will help pass the time until AV2 comes out.

Happy holidays to all,

Bob J.


Message-Id: <v04210102b487cb826760@[]>
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 07:56:57 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Sound Effects

   Assignment for the last year of the millenium: go to your nearest
library and find a copy of Simon Frith's Sound Effects, read it
through, and see if you agree with me that it needs a sequel for the
year 2000. The observations it makes about to place of rock and roll
in modern society were spot on in 1978, and are even more true, with
amendments to suit the current fragmented climate. Frith makes only
observations about society as he sees it. It's one of the few truly
scholarly examinations of of modern popular music I've run across,
and very interesting reading.
Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at

"A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has 10
GREAT laws.

A Good law protects me from you.  Laws against murder, theft,
assault and the like are good laws.

A Poor law attempts to protect me from myself."

- Unknown


Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:54:54 +1100
From: Sebastien Maury 02 9950 3315 <>
Subject: lycanthropy rules
Message-id: <E1778IGE2QLJU*/R=A1/R=ABCNET/U=MAURYS6G/@MHS>

Before I get too carried away, here are my picks of 99:
A good year as far as my purchases were concerned.

*Ben Fold Five:...Reinhold Messner. Growth and a modicum of experimentation.
Strong songs and fine chops.
*Blur: 13. Surprise of the year. Joyous, weird and tasty in turn.
*Jason Falkner: Can You Still Feel? Bought vinyl first (bonus tracks on
it!!!) and picked up the CD later. Fine guitar pop.
*Flaming Lips: Soft Bulletin. Not a classic but fascinating and
intelligent. And goofy!
*Fountains of Wayne: Utopia Parkway. Fine live band and the "fun" album of
infectious tunes of 99.
*Macy Gray: On How Life Is. From this year's most fascinating pop vocalist
(dig the Rod Stewart vibe Mace), an unpretentious funk fest.
*Incognito: No Time Like the Future. Smooth jazzy grooves.
*Jimmy Little: The Messenger. The most amazing collection of Australian
pop/rock classics of the 80s heard thru the prism of this 60 something
indigenous crooner. Absolute gem.
*Moby: Play. About as eclectic as things get on the one disc. Fab.
*Owsley. Surprising. Sassy guitar pop with the odd twist.
*Prince (whatever): Rave un2 the joy fantastic. Not his best by a long shot
but still a notch above most dreck washing the market.
*Regurgitator: cheezy pop-Are You Being Served theme can never be
better used.
*Ron Sexsmith: whereabouts. A slow burner but truly astounding beauty.
*silverchair: Neon Ballroom (thanks Toni. Oh and of course they're
"majoritaire" now)
*Wilco: Summerteeth. Sweet summery ballads and uptempo hoedowns. Pernice
*XTC: Apple Venus v1. Of course. My fave from their whole catalogue, just
tipping out O&L. Concise, gorgeous.

Some 97-8 CDs I can't believe didn't get released here until this year,
with a few I only just picked up this year:
*Madonna: Ray of Light.
*Introducing Ruben Gonzales.
*Carleen Anderson: Blessed Burden.
*Dave Dobbyn: The Islander.
*Tevin Campbell.

I can only attribute the bizarreness of this digest to the fuuull moon
we've recently anyone else out there think I'm an evil pervert and
wants to write and tell me so, my address is above. It's a work address in
the Australian government and so it's maybe a smidgen unlikely I'd be
telegraphing illegal sexual perversions along it. But Ryan thanks
anyway. I'll assume it was a joke, cleverly and wittily balancing my
flippancy with your (very well hidden, subtle as a sledgehammer)
sarcasm. What? You were serious? Oh...Ditto Dorothy.

For the record, I don't sleep with underage boys. IT WAS A BLOODY JOKE. I
don't quite know how much clearer I can make this but if you have a look at
my original post, you may see that I was adding to a general catalogue of
right wing moralising that's been suffusing the list of late. Fine. I'm not
going to stop people but I'm sure as hell going to object if I don't agree.

Now repeat after me, "'BOYS' is a very common synonym for 'MEN'". I wrote
"boys". It implied "men", not for the least reason that, as a number of
people have helpfully pointed out, ummm let's see now, oh yeah it's

What I certainly didn't mean to do was start a forum for sexual liberation
and morality (and I realise this may help perpetuate the blasted thread)
but IT WAS A BLOODY JOKE!!!! I couldn't let my sparkling good name be
ground into the dust on the basis of a quick quip or a jokey aside.

Oh and I'm not going anywhere. I bait. You bite. Fun!



Message-ID: <>
From: "Megan Heller" <>
Subject: but Christmas isn't for another fortnight!
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:08:56 CST

Brian continues his side in a debate which is perhaps more fruitless than
the whole drug thing--
>If you enjoy epitomizing the lackluster educational awareness in this
>world, then you are a victim of the dumbing down of our society that is
>now in full swing.

my god but I am so sick of the millennium hype and arguments and
everything else (I'm not commenting on anyone on the list; I mean this
about everywhere).  But, honestly, before I was sick of it, I was into the
idea of taking part celebrating with the rest of the world.  The truth is,
it *doesn't* matter, other than the potential for a few computer disasters
and explosions, and no one's going to come around to the correct logic
within the next week.

with the mentioning of all the different calendars, I'm surprised there's
been no mention of the Julian calendar.  We (well, in general) operate on
a Gregorian calendar now, but I know in Europe the Julian calendar was
used into the eighteenth century (I know it was in use when George
Washington was born).  This older calendar dates back to Rome, and is at
this point...  twelve days off from the Gregorian calendar? (anyone know
for sure?-- I can't remember).  Russia was on the Julian calendar until
after the revolution, which is why the "October Revolution" of 1917
actually occurred in November in the rest of Europe.

(re: the subject line, the Julian calendar makes an excellent excuse for
being late on Christmas gifts.  Of course, you may not have friends after
you use it...)

please correct me on any details re: the Julian calendar...

megan (who just contributed to the dumbing down of society by staying
awake 32 hours to complete 9 Ph.D. applications, and is now going to bed).

ps - Mitch!  Thank goodness "My Brown Guitar" is going to be on AV2!  I
was worried when you didn't list it!

pps - happy holidays everyone.


Message-ID: <>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Silly Season?
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:29:48 PST

Best of the season to everyone on Chalkhills. Thanks to Harrison, Dom, Chris
and all those many others whose name I forget, who have made this list so
continually interesting, engaging and controversial.

A special thanks must go to John Relph for his exemplary moderation and his
endless patience. Well played, sir!

To Andy, Colin, Dave, Terry, Barry and all their friends and colleagues -
what can I say but "Thanks For Christmas" ! A great year for XTC and 2000
looks even better already. Hats off guys!

My particular thanks and good wishes go out to all those Aussie Chalkers
whom I have met and am now privleged to count as my friends, notably Toni,
Seb, Paul and Iain. Your friendship has helped me through some tough times
and I will not forget that.

I hope you all have a great festive season and that Year 2000 is a good one.
1999 is a year I'd rather forget in most respects, but Chalkhills has been
one of the saving graces. I hope you all have a happy, safe and successful
festive season and a wonderful new year and look forward to locking horns
again in the future.

OK well Im off now cos I need to shoot up, and the kids are hassling me to
pack the bong for them. I'd better get to it before the acid kicks in.

Cheers then!


Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:59:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Whitman <>
Subject: [JOKE] Andy Partridge Suicide. [JOKE] (fwd)
Message-ID: <>

My friend mailed me this, I have no idea where he got it. It's funny.
Happy holidays.

Brian Whitman

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:49:45 -0500
From: Christopher Moutenot
Subject: Andy Partridge Suicide.

XTC's Andy Partridge Quips Self to Death

According to Partrigde, [Apple Venus] Volume 2's sound may boast more
electric guitar than Volume 1, which featured lots of classical
orchestration. In a statement, Partridge quips: "It's great to get our hands
tangled up in electric guitar strings once again...this record has more
hooks than a Long John Silver convention and it contains all the colors of
the plectrum. I think it is head, shoulders and frenum above the rest of the
pop music world. You will either love it or it will be the most expensive
frisbee you ever purchased. Sure it's a collection of songs, but it's also a
CD that you can shave your face in as well." Partridge was rushed to Queen
Elizabeth Hospital, where he immediately expired. A brief autopsy attributed
his death to excessive wit trauma and finally allowed for the safe removal
of the stick of gum that Partridge allegedly swallowed six years ago while
attempting to synchronously rub his stomach and pat his head.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:33:59 -0800
From: Rich Bunnell <>
Subject: Oops

For the record and before you all start yelling "DIDN'T YOU READ?!?!?" I
wrote that comment asking where "Some Lovely" was before Mitch's
correction came in the next digest.

* ----------------------------------------------
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If you wish to E-mail, remove "SPAMSUCKS" from the address in the header
* ----------------------------------------------


Message-ID: <>
From: "Bob Crain" <>
Subject: Does Anyone Really Know What Time It Is?
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:18:28 PST

This is the coolest P.S. of the decade formerly known as the "nineties",
which began on Jan. 1, 1990 and will end on Dec. 31, 1999:

P.S. Somebody told me the other day that all four members of the Beatles
were knighted in the 1960s. Does anyone know which year this happened? I
also heard that the keyboard player for Deep Purple is an actual
Lord. Cool.

Merry X(TC)-mas everyone, esp. Todd, Steph, Harrison, Dom, and Pants the

What about that whacky XTC bootleg compiliation thingy that people are
ordering?  Sounds kinda kool, but what the fuck?  Oh yes, "cunt".

-Bob Crain


Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:06:28 +0100 (MET)
From: Martin <>
Subject: One more time and then I'll shut up
Message-ID: <>

"Brent Dougans" <> wrote:

> First off, English Settlement does not contain any bonus cuts.
Oops - I confused the track list of the later bowdlerized version (one
LP) as the original one, and thought the added songs were bonus cuts. To
those who are even more clueless than me: has all the answers.

Brent then raised some valid points on the LP-vs-CD matter, but I'm sure
most people on this list have seen the same arguments over and over on
this mailing list and others, so maybe I'll reply to him off-list after
I've send this message.



Message-ID: <002401bf4e0f$7e622360$c08601d5@default>
From: "David Seddon" <>
Subject: Nonsvch Supreme
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:04:18 -0000

O.K., I've resisted this so far, but it's Christmas Eve and I feel a list
coming on (sounds painful).  Here's my choice of the 20 Cds I would least
like to be without from the 90s, and I've even tried to put them in order:

Nonsvch - XTC - Possibly the best collection of great songs since Abbey
Road. WIG, TSAHD, TUU, DMB and others are simply gorgeous pieces of music.
The undiscovered (by the masses) masterpiece of Rock.

Enlightenment - Van Morrison (OBE, btw) - Van just can't stop his Celtic
muse and this album's one of his most laid back and cheerful

Automatic For The People - REM - a classic with scarcely a dud moment, and
beautifully played and recorded.

Ten Summoners Tales - Sting - I don't care if half of the people on the list
hate Sting, I think that this shows a very clever songwriter at the top of
his craft, and Fields of Gold is musical poetry.

Grace - Jeff Buckley - Who knows how good this fellow might have got to be,
but parts of this are awesome in their intensity.

20 Mothers - Julian Cope - The genius of the weird and alternative, who has
a knack for making it accessible, turns out a cracking selection of melodic
and musically explorative songs.

Apple Venus Vol 1- XTC - If there was a better song than Harvest Festival in
1999, then I haven't heard it.

Global Warming - Sonny Rollins - The jazz legend gives us another album full
of hummable melodies and virtuoso Tenor Sax playing.

Egyptology - World Party - Karl Wallinger is one of those people who ain't
that far behind Andy Partridge as a songwriter (and Robbie Williams got to
number one with She's the One).

Mark Hollis - Mark Hollis - A gem of understated, minimalist music and
sublime acoustic inspiration.

The Red Shoes - Kate Bush - She gets my nomination as the most original
(living) genius of popular music, and this has got some great moments of
pleasure on it.

Laughing Stock - Talk Talk - Music of aching beauty,  sparse and celestial.

Eric Clapton - Unplugged - Eric has rarely sounded better and the recording
is pristinely clean.

Mr Lucky - John Lee Hooker - Give your HI FI a run through with this.  It'll
give your amplifier and speakers a treat.

Mnemosyne - Jan Garbarek and The Hilliard Ensemble - A fantastic marriage of
saxophone and heavenly voices, but containing a lot of twists and turns.

Jollification - The Lightening Seeds - These boys know how to make catchy
pop songs.

Very - The Pet Shop Boys - Ditto, and the cover of Go West is lush and
uplifting.  Biting social comment if you listen to the words.

Deserter's Songs - Mercury Rev - One I'm getting into right now.  Could be a

Off The Ground - Paul McCartney - Some of this knocks your socks off for
it's genius ( Golden Earth Girl and Come On People could have been Beatles
classics).  Some of it is awful, but the best of it gets it in here.

The Beatles Anthology 1,2,3 - Where does one place this?  It's musical
history of the utmost importance and I found most of it fascinating and some
of it wonderful.


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