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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 335

                 Friday, 10 December 1999

Today's Topics:

           XTC and Elvis Cos' and other dribble
               question from an ostrich...
Where the hell's my Mellotron? I can't work in these conditions...
                     Downloadable XTC
                 Oh That Christmas Spirit
                    My Musical Trinity
          Four Months Is A Long Time In Newtown
                         Re: HELP
            My, what a long... uhhhh... post.
              My iron lung, your gold dress
                       Many moments
                    argh! XTC tragedy!
                    De-Frosted credits
                Meet Me On The Other Side
                 MiNsTeR Hill-XTC is um's


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:35:37 EST
Subject: XTC and Elvis Cos' and other dribble

Happy Holidays Chalkers -

A couple of tidbits I wanted to share with the Clan...

<From: "Megan Heller" <>
Subject: my post is but a sad grain of sand in the Sahara>

<*someone* said, and I don't know who or I'd credit it, but it was quoted
in Todd Bernhardt's post--
>From "Chauncy" Gardner:
brilliant reference!  I tip my invisible hat.>

So Megan, Todd figured out exactly what?  Have you pieced this together yet?

Any one care to take a stab at *who* Chauncy Gardner was/is?
To Harrison:  What exactly is a Korean Cheeseball?  Your use of it in your
recent post was cleverly stated, not to mention that since I have no idea
what it was, I still had to laugh...
I have a another question:  Which of the following choices would you prefer
to hear/ see happen...along the XTC v. Elvis Costello thread:

A) A song written by Elvis for XTC to play/record...or,
B) A song written by Andy for Elvis Cos and the Attractions to play/record?
I saw an interesting News spot on *Y1K* and how the individuals living at the
turn of the Century from 999 reacted to the New Year, etc..and I specifically
recall Mt. Vesuvious (sp) erupting like three times in the last decade and a
half...and other matters, but the point of view of the piece had a
conditioned response in that people probably weren't as bent out of shape as
the public today are about *Y2K*...just an interesting piece by Peter
Jennings on World News Tonight, Monday, December 6, 1999 (ABC).
As for Terry C. on AV2?  That would be quite cool to hear.  I too am
interested in learning who will be on the kit for this album....

RE: TBE:  The Big Express album would probably be a vastly different album,
than it is in its' current form, if Terry C. or anyone else was playing
acoustic drums on it.  I like this album a lot, but was shocked, like many of
you who read the XTC Autobiography, and other literature, to learn that the
Linn Drum was employed in this album.

Right-o, over and out!
John Gardner


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 11:12:46 -0800
From: dan phipps <>
Organization: cic
Subject: question from an ostrich...

i'll admit that my head's been in the sand
lately with all these chalhills digests
coming at me (i love it!! but damn!  not
enough time to read them all!)...

my question --

just *out of curiosity*...whatever happened
to our ever-famous "little miss opinionated"
and dave-crazy amanda?

i haven't seen any posts from her in quite
a while and was wondering what has happened.


/Dan and Ginger Phipps <>

"As long as we are open, our hearts will
 make us free."  (Jon Anderson)



Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:56:58 -0500
Subject: Where the hell's my Mellotron? I can't work in these conditions...
From: "Duncan Watt" <>

Todd "Big Money" Bernhardt signed off:

> --Todd "When's that Jon Brion album coming out?" Bernhardt

Well, it kinda...didn't. According to Time Magazine, Lava/Atlantic "decided
the CD wasn't sufficiently marketable and never released it". In a brilliant
twist of irony, Brion, in the next sentence, decried the shelving with this
mis-handled riposte: "I was treated as if I had handed in my 'art record',
as if I had intentionally done some horribly self-destructive thing... I
thought I handed in something that was reasonably commercial".

Now thoses of youse who know me know where I'm going with this, so I'll keep
it simple: Brion's comment puts together perfectly, in one quick, succinct
thought-package, the entire concept of what's wrong with the music industry.
I don't even know which end to start eating it from, it's so perfectly
circular and delicious... "I was treated..."..."I thought..."... yeah!

Anyway, if you're really into the whole
stick-a-Mellotron-on-it-and-they'll-think-it-sounds-like-"Strawberry Fields"
thing, he just did the instrumental music for the movie "Magnolia"(okay,
that's not fair, I haven't heard it. Still, bet I'm right). More
importantly, Aimee Mann's songs provide the soundtrack, and, to be honest, I
personally think that Brion's cartoony productions have been the very reason
for Mann's relative invisibility in the music world. Let him stay with Fiona
Appel, she's already cartoon-y herself. Mann's a phenomenal songwriter, even
if she's not a Chalkhills darling. Too bad she's been forced to release her
own material herself; maybe that'll make for better music.

How does that bromide go? "Life's too short for a day without good food and
good music", right? My New Year's resolution: to go out and get more of the
CD's that people recommend that I get. Looking back, that's how I've found
most of my favorites, not by reading reviews. Fredo Fat Bassman's list is
inspiring. I've only got myself to blame.

Duncan "Listen, the record would be great if she'd just lose 15 pounds" Watt


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 17:47:22 +0100
From: Giovanni Giusti <>
Subject: Downloadable XTC


You may have noticed that Yahoo! has partnered with TVT to offer free,
time-limited downloads of a lot of TVT albums, including Apple Venus.

Maybe some people will thus become hillers?

Let us hope so.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:08:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Molly Fanton <>
Subject: Oh That Christmas Spirit

Yesterday at my externship, I heard, "Thanks For Christmas" (I hope I got
it right).  I knew it was the Three Wise Men, because I could recognize
Andy's guitar playing.  I almost fell over when I heard it.


Check Out My Craig Ferguson Tribute Page:
Molly's Page


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:34:43 -0500
Subject: My Musical Trinity

Andy, Elvis, and Joe are the only godhead I worship, so I've watched with
amusement as they've taken the stage on the Chalkhills alter.

In the past few years, I've tried to initiate a collaboration between Andy
Partridge and Elvis Costello.  I cornered Elvis with the idea after a show
in Detroit and he seemed quite receptive.  I then forwarded Elvis'
"enthusiasm" when the Little Express offered fans the chance to submit
questions to Andy.  In the next Little Express, Andy answered that he
would enjoy working with Elvis.

So I had successfully planted the seeds in both heads and could stand back
and watch for growth.  Of course, nothing has happened... but I'm still
hopeful.  It's not like I put my life on hold or anything...

While waiting last month, I went to see Joe Jackson read from his new
book.  He read a couple very amusing stories about his early struggles
trying to break into the biz. It was very entertaining!  If you have a
chance to go see him in your area, I recommend you do so!

Anyway, after the reading, he held a Q&A session.  Someone asked about his
favorite lyricists and Joe mentioned that he is very much a
music-centered, not lyric-centered listener... but his favorite lyricist
is Andy Partridge.  After praising Andy's cleverness for quite some time,
he also mentioned Elvis Costello as being brilliant "though occasionally
his lyrics feel like verbal diarrhea."  Uggghh, not a pleasant image...

Later, Joe again mentioned that music is the important thing to him and he
struggles with lyric writing.  He's enjoyed doing his recent instrumental
projects so much partly because song lyrics do not come easy for him.  I
felt a question coming on, some of you can probably guess...

I raised my hand and kind of startled Joe -- I was sitting literally at
his feet and I don't think he noticed my close proximity until I raised my
hand!  I asked: "Given your struggles with lyric writing and your
admiration for Andy Partridge's lyrics, is there a chance of a
collaboration there?"  A big smile came across his face and he paused.  It
was obvious he was really considering it -- a very cool moment!  He first
said: "Wow, now there's an idea!  Yeah, that could be good!  Andy knows
where I am and how to get a hold of me! " but as he continued he kind of
talked himself out of it, mentioning that neither he nor Andy do much
collaborating and that it's probably best for him (Joe) to keep working on
his own, as he always has.  Ah well, I tried!

I had read that Joe dreads comparisons to Elvis and there was some rivalry
there in the early days.  So I cringed when someone asked what he thinks
of Elvis Costello and if they're friends.  But it turned out to be the
highlight of the evening.  Joe said that they have a "mutual respect" and
then recounted a wonderful story.  On one tour through Australia, he and
Elvis happened to be playing the same city and in fact, staying in the
same hotel one night.  So Joe sent Elvis a bottle of champagne.  A little
later, back came an even bigger, more expensive bottle of champagne from
Elvis.  So Joe then sent a tiny bottle of liquor and a bag of potato
chips.  Elvis sent back a scribbled drawing of a liquor bottle -- and back
and forth it went all night!  It was hilarious the way Joe told it (quite
unlike the way I just described it!).

Anyway, it was a fun evening.  He autographed "Symphony No. 1" for me and
I now have autographed CDs from my holy musical trinity: Elvis, Andy, and
Joe.  They are separate but equally and uniquely brilliant musicians.
Praises be!

--Jasper...  who loves "Laughter & Lust" and thinks it's Joe's best work
since "Beat Crazy".  BTW, Joe mentioned "Blaze of Glory" as the album he
is most proud of....


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 14:24:59 -0500
From: Mark Newberg <>
Organization: @Home Network
Subject: films

This is especially for Dave Oh-

You have wonderful taste in movies, but I must comment on your neglect
of  Monty Python and early Woody Allen films.
'The disappointed all congregate at my house.'



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 09:49:18 -1000
From: "Jim Smart" <>
Organization: ksbe
Subject: chalkhillennium

In all the interesting discussion of Terry's drumming and what might
have been (or might be), it seems relevant that the band's touring ended
at the same time as Terry's involvement (obvious, I know). From that
point on the songs changed, not just because the members got older, or
because Terry wasn't there, etc., but because of the lack of touring.
All the songs on the first five albums were written with an audience in
mind. It's one thing to make a song thinking "OK, the audience will be
in front of the stage, what will really get them?", and quite another to
make a song only to be listened to on an album, never (practically) to
be played live...."OK, ther person will be sprawled on a carpet with
headphones on....". It is this difference, rather than the abscence of
Terry, that draws the line between the early and the late XTC. I have a
friend who LOVES Black Sea and the albums before, but HATES "all that
Oranges and Lemons stuff", as he says. IMO, the focus shifted from
intensity and energy to soaring and exploring. Personally I like both

And as far as Ringo's drumming goes, I love it. But I beg to differ with
the author of "The vast majority of Beatles tunes are spot on." This is
simply not true. In reality most Beatle songs do not hold a consistent
tempo. This is why they sound so alive. I know thist because I'm in a
Beatle tribute band called the Daytrippers. We have recorded many Beatle
songs. At first we tried to perform our part along with Beatle tracks as
a guide. The wild tempo changes made this impossible. Most music now is
made with a click track, and we ended up doing that. While this keeps
things nicely on tempo, it takes away some of the personality. Paul
McCartney has said that they didn't mind so much if they speeded up or
slowed down, so long as they all went together (and they usually did).
Beatle tracks often started with them playing a basic rhythm track
together, eyeball to eyeball.

I wonder at what point XTC started using a click to record to....anyone

Thanks Megan, for your refreshing voice, and for confirming that a
baker's dozen has 13. I'm still new here, and I'd like to be able to
talk about things that have been talked about before. Sorry if ya'll
made your top ten of the decade already. Though I might point out the
the decade isn't *quite* over yet.

fave xtc moment: The start of extrovert. In fact, the very start of
almost every xtc song is interesting or fab in some way, but that one is
particularly exciting. I also like when the nature sounds come in at the
end of Grass, reminding me: "oh yeah, summer's cauldon!"

At the chalkhillennium
>I'm curious to know
>what you Chalkies are going to be doing that night.

I'll spend the day outside if the weather's good, boating or surfing.
I'll also check out how you're all doing on the TV (In Hawaii we are the
last to "get" the new year, so we can watch celebrations or the end of
the world, as the case may be, before we get to new year's eve). Ah, but
that's when the trouble starts. Perhaps you don't know about new year's
in Hawaii? It is insane. It is firecracker hell. A tradition from China,
this year is sure to be the biggest, loudest, smokiest war dance ever.
Our party will be up on a hill, away from the worst of it. Then wife and
I and our 2 kids will go to a dinner party at a friend's house, get
drunk and sing songs thru midnight. I wouldn't be away from my children
for this moment, no way. And I'd never go in for that Vegas strip/top of
the pyramids insanity, either. I'll bring my guitar, and they have a fab
piano. Might even play an xtc song, since I've learned Merely a Man for
the upcoming O and L tribute tape.

Finally, I'd like to say how much I miss Ian's outlaw web site. No more
XTC coming out of my computer during breaks at work. Sigh. It worked for
me at the original host....any chance of going back to that one, or
finding another, till you're blacklisted from them all? Just kidding or
just checking, I'm not sure which.



Message-Id: <>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:05:22 +1000
Subject: Four Months Is A Long Time In Newtown

Compare and contrast, if you will :

>>From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
>>Subject: End of the season
>>Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 20:46:18 PST

>>After musing on a couple of threads that are going around at present,
>>here's my 2 bob's worth:

>>FAVE RECORDS OF '99 (off the top of my head)

<snipped to save room>



Now let's back-track to August of this year, and in particular, to
Chalkhills #5-260 :

>>From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
>>Subject : Streams of Unconsciousness

>>At this point, I'd like to say (with all due respect to the imminently
non-bacheloric >>Iain Murray) that...LISTS SUCK!!!


>>this silly phenomenon flourishes because it pleases our vanity with its
easy appeal to >>our belief in the superiority of our own good taste, and
our compulsive need to rank and >>categorise.

Hang on a sec - I'm confused.....(again).



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:11:10 EST
Subject: Re: HELP

I have been searching high and low for the movie "Urgh : A Music War"

Anyone who knows where I can get this movie or would make a copy for me would
be greatly appreciated.

I would gladly reimburse you for your time and effort


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:22:07 -0800
Subject: Misinterpretation
From: "Diamond" <>

>In a recent post, Chalker Kevin Diamond opined that Nonsuch should have
>ended after Rook.
>I say, take a vacation! You can ride the Omnibus (a fun ride) to the
>seashore. You can romp in That Wave! It's there that Then She Appeared!
>Why, in the presence of such beauty you may find yourself contemplating
>man's foolish War Dance (Oh! The Ugly Underneath!). At this point I would
>recommend a weekend at the Bungalow where you can wear your favorite
>colors (you don't want to stay Wrapped in Grey!). Later that night you can
>save some text from the bonfire where Books Are Burning and let your soul
>fly free and naked!!!

I'm sorry, I misphrased that. I ment that the last song on the album should
have been Rook. Meaning, take it out from the middle, and put it after Books
Are Burning.
"To emphasize the afterlife is to deny life. To concentrate on heaven is to
create hell."
          -Tom Robbins


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:41:08 -0800
Subject: My, what a long... uhhhh... post.
From: "Diamond" <>

>There once was a lad from Nantucket
>Who never would drink or would drug it.
>When posting to chalkhills,
>he told us "don't use pills,"
>but most of do, so what of it?
>actually i agree with you in principle, kevin, i just couldn't resist. the
>"limmerick bug" caught me!
>the alternate last line was
>XTC were the first to "unplug" it,

There once was a man, was named dan
who came up with a interesting plan
"this lad is from ACK
So I'll give him some flack
on his town, with a limmerick in hand"

Kevin "i AM the man from nantucket" Diamond


Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:46:24 +0000
From: Scott Barnard <>
Subject: My iron lung, your gold dress
Message-id: <000d01bf428e$d6fda6c0$>

I suspect that Radiohead are a controversial subject here (Love 'em!),
but I think that this bears mentioning. I don't know if anyone else caught
this, but I saw a webcast tonight (Thursday 19:00 EDT) starring our cheerful
Oxford gents which (so far) has consisted of them dancing around, drinking
bevvies, and spinning some discs.  It's been an eclectic mix: The Fall,
Miles Davis, PJ Harvey, Talking Heads, Johnny Cash, lots of techno (or
whatever), the Monster Mash and.......
.....OMIGOD.....THE DUKES!!!  Yes, their ace guitar player Jonny Greenwood
saw fit to slap on "What in the World" (say what you may, and you will, it's
my favourite Colin, er, Red song).  Listening to it in this context
suggested to me that Mr. Greenwood wasn't just listening to the Floyd's
Meddle when he was constructing the
groovy/wacky/oh-my-god-it's-full-of-stars guitar parts for OK Computer.

  Which conveniently leads me to proclaim the aforementioned bummer-epic my
#1 album of the decade.

The rest of my baker's dozen (caress me if I'm wrong you crazy Diamond):

10. Nevermind - Nirvana (Well, you sort of HAVE to)
9. Post - Bjork
8. Superunknown - Soundgarden
7. I Should Coco - Supergrass
6. Last Splash - The Breeders
5. Nonesuch - XTC
4. Parklife - Blur
3. Different Class - Pulp
2. Automatic for the People - REM

Yes, no AV1 (why must we call it that? It sounds like a Microsoft product,
or a Roland Emmerich movie), but bear in mind that it took me the better
part of two decades to accept TBE and the jury is STILL out on Mummer.

Quel dommage! Sauvez mon ame M. le Gros-Contrebasse!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:25:09 EST
Subject: Many moments

 Here are just a few of my favorite moments. If you gave me five more minutes
, I could think of many more.
  1. ALL of Helicopter. Every instrument sounds like its spinning. The
synthesizer interwoven throughout the song.It helps to have seen them do it
  2. The last 15 seconds of "Are you Receiving Me".
  3." Sunday church & they look fetching,Saturday night saw him wretching
over our fence"--Respectable Street
  4. The SECOND water drop in "ROO"
  5.  Again, the plucking strings during " What was best of all was
the.."--Harvest Festival
  6. Some may disagree but "Thanks for X-mas". It really gives me chills.
  7. My Great Dane cocking his head at the speakers when the baby cries at
the beginning of "Happy Families". Nothing cuter
  Thats all for now. Maybe some more later.  Roger
 p.s. My girlfriend has really gotten to like "KISK". Another convert???


Message-ID: <>
From: "Megan Heller" <>
Subject: argh! XTC tragedy!
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:55:04 CST

okay, tragedy for me.  I was listening to my 3" disc "Mayor of Simpleton"
single this evening, for the first time in ages, and it started skipping
uncontrolably near the end of "Living in a Haunted Heart".  I checked the
disc, and found that where the paper-cardboard packaging had given way
(those of you with the single know-- the little cardboard square), the disc
sat against the glue spot and now is basically screwed up-- "The Good
Things" won't play at all, in addition to the problem with the last 1/4 of
"Heart".  Does anyone know how to clean a compact disc with this kind of
damage safely?  I think it could maybe be saved, but I'd like some advice
before I start experimenting.  Not only are those two tracks two of my
favorite XTC songs, but this was the first XTC item I bought on CD!



Message-ID: <007801bf42dd$1081a240$>
From: "Drew MacDonald" <>
Subject: De-Frosted credits
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:06:21 -0800

"During the third installment of the recently broadcast PBS documentary
series "New York. A Documentary Film" (directed by Ric Burns), the mellow
and dreamy strains of "Frost Circus" can be heard as the narrative
inexorably moves towards the metropolis' continuing transformations, as the
end of the nineteenth-century draws nearer. Very neat, except for the
disappointment of not seeing XTC or Andy Partridge acknowledged in the end
credits... Anybody has a thought on the why of that omission ?"

I think this question has come up before, but I don't remember if we ever
saw the answer:

TV and radio productions in the USA operate under what is called the "Fair
Use Doctrine," an edict by the Federal Communications Commission which
allows producers to make use of pre-existing music in material meant for
dissemination over the airwaves. This is why you can hear familiar records
in the background of dramas, watch sitcom characters hum a few bars of a
well-known tune, or listen to an unlimited number of singles on the radio
without credit being given to the originators of the song. (Remember the "If
You Play It, Say It" campaign a few years back, when many radio stations
were playing songs without ID tags? For all I know, that's still happening;
I don't listen to much commercial radio these days.) There's nothing to
prevent the producers from listing credits, but they are not required to do

Incidentally, the same does NOT apply to feature films, which are not under
the aegis of the FCC. Any song used in any movie must have its composer,
publisher and performer(s) noted in the credit roll, in accordance with
long-standing contract agreements with musician unions and publishing

Unable to think of an appropriate XTC lyric to close with,


Message-ID: <000d01bf4303$b36707e0$3e8f9cd1@silvermoon>
From: "Toby Thomas" <>
Subject: Meet Me On The Other Side
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 05:38:12 -0600
Organization: Prodigy Internet

As previously mentioned here on chalkhills, my small recording label
recently released a CD titled Meet Me On The Other Side: Your Millennium
Soundtrack Souvenir. There are three chalkhillers who contributed tracks to
the project. The project's title is derived from Jim Smart's Kink-ish The
Other Side. I really love Jim's 60s psychedelic instrumentation and the
lyrics are top notch. None other than Mitch Friedman supplies the hilarious
When I Was Your Age, a zappa-esque tour of the upcoming 21st century. Can
you hear the buzz from zuzz? The CD kicks off with Eric Hesson's vibrant
What Does Millennium Mean?, another Brit invasion styled guitar pop
gem. Also included are tracks from the great (according to him) Moogy
Klingman (original TRs Utopia member), current Rundgren band member John
Ferenzik, and two from popmeister Doug Powell. Special mention goes to
Japanese recording artist Hiroshi Takano, who has contributed his
international debut recording! Hiroshi is a big XTC fan, in fact he
summoned the production talents of TR after hearing Skylarking, and is
presently touring with R Sakamoto. It is a true honor to have Hiroshi
represented on the project! There are fifteen tracks in all, about half
dealing with the Y2K theme, the rest ruminating on the current human
condition. I believe and hope that the CD is one that will reamin fresh
beyond the turn of the century. Hell, I almost forgot to mention Becki
DiGregorio's track taken from her recent CD, One In Ten! Yeah, it's on
there too, and thank God for it, 'cause it helps to soothe the damage after
Ferenzik's carnage.... if interested, go the below link and then click
Medicine Park Recordings. Or you can probably acquire an autographed copy
from any of the mentioned chalkhillers.

Happy Holidays! Catch ya on the otrher side.... toby thomas


Message-ID: <>
From: "Paul Fitzgerald" <>
Subject: MiNsTeR Hill-XTC is um's
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:03:49 EST

Whoa....wait a minute Bobby!!!!!  I not only own this disc I love it!!
Besides Apple Venus is there really another disc out there that comes close
to best of 1999?!!!! And yes I own the Owsleys, Flaming Lips, Cloud Elevens,
etc.......Minster Hill is Xtc's little bro....but on a plain of there
own....Great call Bob!

>I can't believe that this CD is not being listened to more
>people.......please don't judge it by just what I am saying.........but if
>you love'll have a keen interest and something excellent to
>listen to while waiting for AV2.......Peace......Bob


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