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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 334

                 Friday, 10 December 1999

Today's Topics:

                     More Terry rant
                     moment by moment
                    Album sales & you
                      more comments
                      Conversion Man
        XTC just LSD
                         Rock Art
                     John's not gone
                   picking on las vegas
         Mostly Weird Al and They Might Be Giants
                   Re: The Big Express
                         Re: PS.
                     Re: Rush is God
               Re: Rush is a Big Fat Idiot
                      Mister Mystery
             XTC preference: Words or Music?
          Xmas '99 message to all on the Hill...
                      AV2 Terry ???


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 18:02:58 -0800
From: awa <>
Subject: More Terry rant

Dear Chalks,

It's a pleasure to be on this list and engage in some intelligent
discussion.  Just had to say it again.

Todd Bernhardt wrote:
> After listening to The Big Express this morning, I just have this to say
> to all who complain about its use of the Linn drum: Get over it. TBE is a
> creaking, jangly, dissonant, cranky machine of an album, the perfect
> industrial foil to its pastoral predecessor. It's what they wanted to say
> at the time, and they say it well.

It's an interesting point.  I don't really disagree.  I think for a
bunch of non-drummers to have programmed the Linn TBE the way they did,
it just shows that all the guys were very drum conscious.  It's just
that Terry, for example, was a friggin' drum machine himself.  When I
listen to TBE, I can see that, from Terry's perspective at least, it
must have been a great collection of musicians to work with.

More about Terry:  I really liked that online Terry interview at Little
Lighthouse!  That interview really helped me key in to the whole
ambience of the group and their people at the time.  His description of
the original Star Park had me laughing.

On the cover of Black Sea, Terry and Andy look like siblings and Dave
and Colin look like siblings.  Has this point already been brought up?



Message-ID: <000f01bf41f9$3298cc80$30b59fce@default>
From: "Wes Hanks" <>
Subject: moment by moment
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:07:50 -0800


Some random XTC music treat moments (favorite lyric moments are another

Ship's bell ring during the intro to Mermaid Smiled

Distorted guitar of Another Satellite

Glockenspiel(?) "fish" of Jason and the Argonauts

Coronation Cup "crash" of Red Brick Dream

Andy's "I haaaaaaad" and "wishwishwishwish..." of Your the Wish You Are I

The "adoopadoopadoopa" backgroung vocals of Humble Daisy

Colin's delicious bass playing of Then She Appeared

The "wobbly jellyfish" of When Your Near Me...

The entire intro and background mechanical noises of The Meeting Place

The diamond disarray in Ballet for a Rainy Day

Ok, I'll put it on the chopping block...Dave's permenant replacement -
Adrian Belew

Wes "2 for 1 buffet coupon" Hanks

"The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
limits." Albert Einstein


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:22:30 EST
Subject: Album sales & you

<<On another topic, someone here recently stated that XTC are no longer
poor with AV1 sales around 250,000? >>

Wow, it sold that many so far.  Not bad for a band that doesn't tour.
However, sales of O&L and Nonsuch I believe topped off at around 400,000.
In fact, I always wanted to know if O&L ever went gold in the US
(500,000).  Plus, I am sure since they are their own record company they
will make plenty off of 250,000 sales.  A heck of a lot more than their
old allotment from Virgin/Geffen for O&L, that's for sure.

The only gold records I know XTC has earned were in New Zealand for Drums
& Wires or Black Sea.  Now each country's number for gold & platinum sales
are different based on population, so I think their NZ sales for that LP
was around 90,000.  The actual number is in the book Chalkhills &


Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 23:40:54 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: more comments

May O'Mahoney asks:
Are YOU tired of the Milleneum?  I'm curious to know what you Chalkies are
going to be doing that night.

normally, i go for sushi in the early evening and return before midnight
for a bottle of champagne at the appropriate moment (iow, a quiet one), but
this year i might have to change that. i'm still not sure at the moment,
but i may have company. that is, if i ever get a phone call from germany to
confirm it, or not. if not, i'll stick with tradition.
favourite xtc lyrical moments:

"i would have made this instrumental but the words got in the way"

"and the people that you made in your image, see them fighting on the
street, 'cause they can't make opinions meet about god"

"i can't put on an act, it takes brains to do that anyway (and anyway)"

"even i never know where i go when my eyes are all closed - here i go again"

"please let some out, do it today, and don't let the loveless ones sell you
a world wrapped in grey"

there are more, but these ones speak to me the deepest.

welcome all who have joined the digest recently, also to those who have
delurked, too. it's nice to hear other opinions and fresh viewpoints for a
ringo/abbey road:

to Stephen Jackson;

that's not ringo playing the solo on the second side of abbey road, that
was paul.
oh, and the walrus wasn't paul, either, it was john.

to Todd Bernhardt, who said, "I think idol gossip is all we have to hold on

now, do you mean that to be gossip about heroes (idol), or meaningless
gossip in general (idle)? if it was an intentional pun, it was a good one.
if it was an unintentional pun, it was even better!

sorry to bring this up, but i was questioned recently about the context in
which i used a word, so i'm feeling a little stroppy! ;-)

to Nathan Mulac DeHoff, who said, "the band hasn't done all that much
percussion-intensive work in the post-Terry era":

what about "poor skeleton steps out" (pat mastelotto), from "o&l"? the
combination of electronic percussion and pat's playing is brilliant.

or "summer's cauldron" (prairie prince) from "skylarking"? listen to this
song either cranked up really loud or through headphones. he's playing kind
of a shuffle in places, but then punctuates things with those deep tom-tom
thuds. beautiful!

btw, thanks for delurking, and welcome to the digest.
travels in nihilon:

maybe it's me, but i always thought that the ending to this song sounded
like someone having a veeerrryyy looonnnggg piss!

perhaps terry after a night down the pub and at the chippy? :->

one can use both drugs and alcohols in a responsible manner, but it is the
abuse of these where the problem lays. however, that's not where my
argument is.

i believe in the decriminalization of all forms cannabis for two reasons.

first point: why should a person go to jail for simple possession? what
harm has that person done to society? how does that quote go? "a bad law
tries to protect me from myself?" whether you do or don't is still a matter
of choice.

second point: i believe that there are medicinal properties that are
beneficial to cancer/chemo patients and aids/hiv suffers. it has been
proven to stop nausea and increase their appetites, which leads them to get
the nutrients that their bodies need to stay healthy. as well as those
points, there are those who suffer from chronic pain.

two cases in point: first, a woman i know, in her early 50s, suffers from
m.s. and she sometimes smokes marijuana to help her get through her day.
second, a man i know, who is 73 years old, suffered from a spinal
haemorrhage about five years back. he now walks hunched over to his right
side and has to use a walker. he has tried everything legal to ease his
constant, nagging pain, but few of them help. he now smokes a joint a few
times a day and he swears that it has the best pain reducing properties
he's come across. both of these people were anti-drug before their bodies
started to fail them, but both are now advocates for the medicinal use of
marijuana. i agree with them both.

in conclusion, as it says on the back of  the apple venus jewel case;

do what you will but harm none.
december 8:

i still miss you, john. wish you were here!

 peace & xtc,



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 00:24:46 -0500
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <>
Subject: Conversion Man


So far, my roommate Curtis has bought "AV1" and "Skylarking," and he got
"Nonsuch" and "Oranges and Lemons" for Christmas from...Santa!  When I
came back to the apartment today, he was listening to Peter
Pumpkinhead...Chalk up (hehe) another one, pulled kicking and screaming
(and humming) into the fold...

I played "Thanks for Christmas" on my second-to-last radio show of the
semester!  It rocked, if I do say so myself.  Then I played "Radio Days"
by World Party.  It was...interesting.

As for the whole Satanas debate:  it seems as if the one thread running
through all messages that we attribute to this fellow is that he can't
use the contraction "you're" correctly.  Ever.  (I'm such an English
major geek, aren't I?)  Of course, I'm an English major geek with a new
website at (, but I would never
shamelessly promote myself like that.  Ever.  Nope.

I think that Martin Newell's "The Greatest Living Englishman" is one of
the top three albums of the 1990's.  Is that OK?  Am I going to go to
hell for not choosing "Nevermind"?



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 22:48:07 -0800
From: Randy Hiatt <>
Subject: XTC just LSD

"Diamond"  and Ben Lukoff had a conversation (edited for length):

> hippies who took drugs to "expand thier conciousness," I feel were
> actually doing more harm then anything. I see it as a limiting factor,

> and a sign that one is week if they have to take drugs to understand
> things better. A truley strong person (mentally) Doesn't need drugs to

> understand things. They should be able to handle things in thier life
> without the aid of "concious-expanding materials." Then again, those
> drugs DID influence some great music...Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

Ben Lukoff replied:

>Not to mention Rubber Soul, Revolver, Pet Sounds, etc.  But does that
>justify it?  Again, not everyone taking drugs is doing it to "expand their
>consciousness"!  It's not all hippies and addicts, you know.

Ever see the Learning Channel (?) special on the History of LSD?  You
will see some of the "whys" of it's use, covertly, scientifically,
recreationally... all of which are quite eye opening into the workings
of the mind and even our environment.

Although testing has most likely gone underground there is a wealth of
data from past work.  I wouldn't be so quick to shove this into the
category of hippies, school kids or the  "week" either.  The list of
influential people who took LSD is staggering.  Timothy Leary's book
"Flash Backs" is another good history lesson.

LSD is not for recreation or for helping you get through a tough time
with the inlaws, seems it's potentually mind expanding when the
experiment is set up properly and the subject is capable, willing and
positive. least that's what the dolphins told me.

Randy (what a way to go) Hiatt


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 22:06:19 -0900
Subject: Rock Art

Greetings Chalkers,

   I have read the past 10 digests, many of which included various
people's lists of their favorite albums that were released in 1999.  Not
one mention (until now) of my personal favorite album from this year
(XTC material aside you understand):

Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros -- Rock Art & The X-Ray Style

By the way, mention of one of my favorite XTC songs (Funk Pop a Roll) in
a recent digest had me it my imagination or did I hear at
some point that Andy thought that Mummer would be the band's last album,
and that he sincerely thought of that song as his last with the band
(bringing more significance to his "goodbye" sendoff)?

Favorite XTC moment:

Tie between "Everything you eat is waste...But swallowing is easy when
it has no taste" (from Funk Pop a Roll) and the "ha ha ha ha ha ha" at
the beginning of Life is Good in the Greenhouse.

Also, the last song on Go2 is I am the Audience.  I'm not sure about how
well it closes Go2 but it has that wonderful organ flutter and that
driving bassline that is so typical of Go2.  Without a doubt, Go2
deserves to be listened to long enough so that one is familiar with
which song ends it!

Juneau, Alaska


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:20:34 EST
Subject: John's not gone

Michael Versaci wrote:

<< "Don't worry Mike, they'll be another John Lennon..."
 A co-worker of mine, Dec 9th, 1980.
 Nineteen years, and I still miss him...
 Michael Versaci >>

Michael, thank you for your fantastic post, and now I have something for
you.  There is a voice like Lennon's today, but it's not in music. It's in
a series of books by a quite ordinary person named Neale Donald Walsch,
and the books (there's four of them now) are called Conversations with
God. I am convinced, and I tell you now with sincere conviction, that if
John were with us today, he'd be advocating these books. They are, quite
simply, the most powerful and revolutionary pieces of work I have come
across. They are the dialogue between the author, Walsch, and God, on
virtually every subject imaginable, ranging from the self and all the
related topics, society, business, culture, the environment, space, time,
love, death, sex, money, the universe and the entire cosmology. Pretty
tall order, but I am here to tell you, as a true Chalkhillian, a past
atheist, and one who still loves to sing Dear God at the top of my lungs,
these books are truly revolutionary, and they ring with me at my core just
like the Beatles and XTC. Let me draw a musical analogy using these two
bands. I suggest to you that reading Conversations with God is like
hearing all this wrapped up in a cohesive, singular, practical, completely
understandable and mind-blowingly beautiful symphony of thought, clarity
and understanding:

I am the Walrus
Merely a Man
Garden of Earthly Delights
Peter Pumpkinhead
That Wave
Complicated Game
Then She Appeared
Wrapped in Grey
All You Need Is Love
Seasons Cycle
Books are Burning
Summer's Cauldron
Magical Mystery Tour
Mayor of Simpleton
Paper & Iron
Respectable Street
Generals & Majors
All Together Now
Tomorrow Never Knows
The Word
Pink Thing
Chalkhills & Children
Easter Theatre
I'd Like That
River of Orchids
You're My Drug
Brainiac's Daughter

And about 20 more of each, plus about 50 from each of even greater beauty
that were never either plucked from the ether and set to tape. Fellow
chalkers, I'm not telling you this to prosthyletize (sp?), but rather to
let you know it's there, simply because I think many of you will like it
as much (if not more) than most new records -- for me, they're right on
par with my two or three favorite bands, and it's worlds more
practical. Indeed, it certainly isn't something you need to read to be
saved or anything like that -- as God says in these books, there's nothing
for you to be saved from, unless you choose to experience that -- "I say
no thanks why bless my soul, I'm already there." And they're not about
church or any established religion, nor about religion at all. They're
about spirituality, which is worlds different and a far bigger and
universal reality that holds within it every religion as only a sliver of
a much larger universe of truths. John sang, "Just Gimme Some Truth." Even
if you don't think this is God talking, you'll be blown away by the truth
of what's said, and like I said, this work, more than any music today,
reminds me of John, and makes me feel that magic, but from the inside out,
not the outside in. F***ing mind-blowing.

These books are, as far as I can tell, the Beatles of wisdom literature,
turning everything that came before on it's ear. And if these books are
the beatles, then the bible is -- perry como, pat boone? Garth Brooks? No
wait, he's later, he must be a televangelist. If you're looking for some
truly intriguing ideas, and a call to truly make real in your own life
what John made us all feel was true in our hearts, then I recommend these
books as high, and in most cases, higher than any album I could ever
recommend. My guess is that anyone on this list will find them thoroughly
engaging and interesting at some level, and in many cases, they may
transform lives and perspectives, as they have my own.

In any case, flame away if you're so inspired, I hope this wasn't
intrusive, and I won't mention it again for at least another week or so. I
bring it up to be of service to you, my fellow chalkster, just as we
wallow in the awesome genius that is Andy, Colin, John, Paul, and all the
rest of the mighty music makers of this century. I recommend Conversations
with God, Book 1 as the perfect complement to Apple Venus Volume 1 to make
this a year of great experiences.

Flaming lips is making the list rounds, may have to check that out. Thanks.

Best, Will J


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:08:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: picking on las vegas

The National Finals Rodeo - "The Superbowl of Rodeo" -
inflicts itself annually on Las
Vegas. You have no idea what its like to have your
city invaded by a bunch of partying rodeo "fans".

sounds like an average day in vegas to me...


Message-ID: <>
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <>
Subject: Mostly Weird Al and They Might Be Giants
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 07:11:23 GMT

Kevin Diamond:
>I was an AVID Weird Al fan (Howed you like Running With
>Scissors, by the way?)

It's definitely Al in top form.  "Albuquerque" is hilarious, and the rest of
the songs are pretty funny, too.

>And then a friend of mine showed me Flood, which is
>probably thier funniest album, although not their best. (Their best being
>Lincoln, followed by Factoy Showroom... that's not my opinion, it's a fact.
>Actually, it's both.)

I think Lincoln is my favourite, followed by Flood.  It's gets a bit more
difficult to decide after that, although Factory Showroom is probably my
least favourite.

>I heard about XTC through XTC vs Adam Ant (I love that
>song. What don't you like about it?)

I don't know.  I guess I mostly just don't find the arrangement all that
interesting.  That recorder stuff at the end is pretty cool, though
(although it was probably done a bit better in "Harvest Festival").  It's
not really a bad song, but I'd hardly consider it top-of-the-line TMBG.

>fellow 22-year-old American Nathan Mulac DeHoff endears--
> >>I've liked the Chalkhills lists I've been getting!  It's great to see a
> >>list that's so dedicated to actual opinions about the actual band and
> >>their actual music.
> >
> >So you don't like discussion of the Dukes, since they're not an actual
> >band?
>pedantic?  sarcastic?  two of my favorite traits!  you'll fit right in.

Thanks.  I'm also making a post with little XTC content, which also seems to
be fairly common around here.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 19:46:53 +1100
From: chrisc <>
Subject: Re: The Big Express


You said it all my man..............I'm in full agreement.  The Big
Express is my #2 XTC Album.............After Nonsuch.............Very
close tho'!!!!!!!!!!!

And who gives a rats about the Linn's; they were part of the time and the
progression...........................And I don't mind 'em!

"Runnin' low on Soul Coal"

Chris Chapman


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 19:56:47 +1100
From: chrisc <>
Subject: Re: PS.


Glad to see we're back on the real subjects of this list; some of the shit
was getting downright boring and repetative........
Joe Jackson; as far as I'm concerned, his best was "Beat Crazy".....Have a

"Just a 41 year old puppy doin' what I'm told"



Message-Id: <l03130304b474b4fa778a@[]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:33:36 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Re: Rush is God

>>From John Lerfald:
>>post more of your refreshing observations!
>Thanks, Sir, I will. (with a tip of the hat to ya)
>--looking up from slightly ajar manhole cover-- "Is he gone yet? is it
>safe to come out?"
>Ooooh boy, two of my favorite subjects- Melt Rush Limbaugh! (sorry)

  Speaking of Mr "Talent On Loan From God" Limbaugh, I submit for your
amusement the following joke: The talk show host Larry King(for you
non-Americans, he's a left-leaning American talk show host on one of the
cable news channels; he's known mostly for having had about as many heart
bypasses as wives(about seven in both cases))dies and upon meeting St Peter
at the pearly gates(remember, atheists, this is just a joke)tells St Peter
"In order for me to know whether I'd rather stay here or the other place, I
have to know something. Is Rush Limbaugh here?" "No, " replies St Peter, "I
assure you, Rush Limbaugh is not here." "Thank you," says Larry King. "I
don't want to be where Limbaugh is. I'll stay, then."
  Later as St Peter is giving King a guided tour King sees ahead a big and
gaudy building with the name Rush Limbaugh in bold letters in front. King
gets very perturbed and says to St Peter, "I thought you said Rush Limbaugh
wasn't here." "He isn't," replies St Peter. "That's God's house."

Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at

"A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has 10
GREAT laws.  A Good law protects me from you.  Laws against murder, theft,
assault and the like are good laws.  A Poor law attempts to protect me
from myself."  - Unknown


Message-Id: <l03130305b474b88c4e37@[]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:39:26 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Re: Rush is a Big Fat Idiot

>And on that big, fat idiot:
>>  As an occasional listener to Rush, I've heard "Generals And Majors" on
>his show on occasion too, as well as several songs from Utopia's last three
>albums in the early to mid-80's. It would be misleading to call Rush a
>libertarian, though. He's a libertarian only when it's convenient for him,
>like most people.
>Sort of like his approach to the truth, eh? And what did he play from
>Utopia? "Swing to the Right"?

  "Princess Of The Universe," "Itch In My Brain," "Crybaby," "Too Much
Water," and "Zen Machine," all from their last three albums on labels that
are long since defunct, thus eliminating the need to ask for permission to
use the songs, presumably. It's also interesting to note that in the States
Black Sea was released on RSO records(also defunct) with Virgin as a
licenser; the same deal was struck with Epic in the case of English
Settlement. Don't know about Drums And Wires, I have a Canadian copy of
that one.

>And thanks for letting me know where "most people" stand in their politics.
>Actually, I'm a libertarian only when it's really inconvenient for me. I
>think it shows my commitment more.

  Hey, I like that. That's why I stick my neck out on the gun issue,
because I'm actually endangering myself by taking a gun liberty position,
as a non-gun owner. I'll just have to trust that my neighbor isn't a gun
nut. Standing on principle is a lonely cause in some circles, and frankly
I'm tired of preaching to the choir anyway. We all have freedoms we value,
mine are no more valid than yours. If you and your neighbors want to melt
your guns, I have no objection, it's a free country(supposedly!), and I
wouldn't even have a problem with a grassroots locally organised movement
to melt guns, as long as no force or coercion is involved. It would have to
be entirely voluntary. When government steps in, that's one step over the
line for me, especially here in the United States. I don't want Billary
telling me whether or not I can own a gun. I can make up my own mind. I
choose not to at this time, I make no promises for the future, though I
have no great desire to own a gun.

Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at


Message-ID: <000b01bf424e$a9d73980$6a5791d2@johnboud>
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: Mister Mystery
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:45:42 +0900

All ,

In his youth Andy was turned on to Sun Ra by a friend , and apparently was
inspired by Ra's music . Check out Sun Ra the man from Saturn !
Recommendations include :

*** Supersonic Jazz ( Evidence )
*** Spaceways/Bad & Beautiful  ( Evidence )
*** Visits Planet Earth & Interstellar Low Ways ( Evidence )
*** Out There A Minute ( Blast )
*** Angels & Demons At Play / The Nubians Of Plutonia ( Evidence )
*** Sun Song ( Delmark )
*** Cosmic Tones For Mental Therapy/Art Forms Of Dimensions Tomorrow
 Evidence )
*** Purple Night ( A & M )

May the force be with you ...

Sushi lover Johnny


Message-ID: <>
From: Jill Oleson <>
Subject: XTC preference: Words or Music?
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:16:29 -0600

Our sweet French Fat Bassman asked:

>do you prefer XTC words or music?

My answer:  Although I am a writer
and adore well-considered words,
I listen to XTC more for the music.

But only slightly more!

Jill Oleson
Austin, Texas


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:32:16 -0800
From: dan phipps <>
Organization: cic
Subject: Xmas '99 message to all on the Hill...

in a nutshell...

"it's such a shame it's only one day every year..."

happy holidays, everyone!!  :-)

peace and light to all --

/Dan and Ginger Phipps <>

"As long as we are open, our hearts will
 make us free."  (Jon Anderson)


Message-ID: <000a01bf424e$a7395d20$6a5791d2@johnboud>
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: AV2 Terry ???
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:31:23 +0900

Kate wrote :

>I'd LOVE to see Terry back at the drums, and even asked Andy when I met
>him in Chicago this past year if they'd ever consider bringing him back
>for AV2.  I don't remember specifically what he said (that's what I get
>for not taking notes!) but Andy laughed and basically said no.

As much as I loved and admired Terry's playing in  the old days , there is
no way in hell he could just walk in the studio after all these years and do
AV2 . No wonder Andy laughed and " basically said no " ...

John The Sushiman


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