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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 330

                 Tuesday, 7 December 1999

Today's Topics:

                  millenium plans, etc.
                         Aw heck!
                The millenial can o' worms
                     Half Ass Cargill
                guns and the American way
                    RE: peas 'n cheese
               colin's songs & fave moments
               God and Ringo the Metronome
                    It's All Over Now
                 Some Worthless Comments
                      Re: Headspace
A bunch of stuff nobody but me cares about, but here it is anyway
                     Pure Pop Heaven
                    drugs and alcohol

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Message-ID: <19991206173302.9108.qmail@web2103.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:33:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com>
Subject: millenium plans, etc.

Jim Smart asked:
And, if I may be so bold as to offer a new thread, how
about top ten albums of the nineties?

Iain from Australia beat you to that one-he compiled
everyone's lists for a Chalkhills best of the 90's. If
you ask really nicely I'm sure he'd send you a copy.

I see you agree with me about 'Wounded Horse'.  It
sounds like another post-devorce song to me, from a
guy who says (in the Homespun notes) that he tried NOT
to write a divorce song. Guess what Andy? you've
written at least two.

May O'Mahoney asks:
Are YOU tired of the Milleneum?  I'm curious to know
what you Chalkies are going to be doing that night.

 I havent the slightest idea. I tend to keep New Years
eve pretty low key. New Years parties tend to
prematurely ejaculate at midnight, then no one feels
like partying any more. Also, I  don't want to be on
the roads driving with a bunch of drunks. I have a
friend who always spends New Years quietly drinking
sake with a small group of friends. I like that
tradition, but I havent picked it up myself.
I do know one thing for sure-I will definately NOT be
doing the Milly dance on New Years Eve! (Chicago-area
chalkers will know what I'm talking about here. can't
beleive our tax dollars were actually used to invent
the stupidest dance I have ever seen to go along with
a commissioned song that's about the most inane thing
I've ever heard!)

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Message-ID: <19991206174139.13228.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:41:39 -0800 (PST)
From: nross <PhoenixYellowRose@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Aw heck!

In response to:

 John Hedge's recent post:
Subject: D&W vector art, and those pesky Message-ID's
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:07:57 -0600

>snip<

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Oh, and I hope no one was fooled by this:

>Message-ID: <386591970.944287667315.JavaMail.root@web05.pub01>
>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 01:07:47 -0500 (EST)
>From: Jeremy Cargill <musician@publicist.com>
>Subject: Thank God!

>Thank God the Satanas thing is over!  Or is it?

Nice try, Brian/Satanas/etc.! Just a tip: Next time you post to
Chalkhills
with a different e-mail address, try sending it via a different server
--
you won't get exactly the same message ID's that way.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Ah! We've been fooled... The Devil was Andy all along!

-My favorite XTC moments?

1. all of Dear God.

2. "Well I don't know how to write a big hit song..." from Mayor of
Simpleton.

Hmm.. have to think of more.

-Nicole

=====
Nicole's internet music station:
http://www.imagineradio.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=phoenixyellowrose

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From: "Johnson, Tom" <Thomas.Johnson@ARZ.Boeing.com>
Subject: The millenial can o' worms
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:58:13 -0700

>Since we're so tired of the Milleneum, what does one do in the face of
>such apathy?  Are YOU tired of the Milleneum?  I'm curious to know what
>you Chalkies are going to be doing that night. (You can post me
>privately if you like.  You can also post me privately to call me a c#nt
>for even bringing it up, too.)  What do you think our favorite band is
>going to be doing?

*chisk* (the sound of the can o' worms opening . . . )

I plan on sitting at home.  Nothing exciting, but probably the safest and
sanest thing you can do.  Really, think about it.  How many people - scratch
that - FREAKS out there think the world is going to end because of the Y2K
bug?  Okay, not a HUGE amount, but enough that, were a number of them to
decide to end their lives and take a few others down with 'em, to be worried
about.  Whatever the case may be, there's sure to be more than your fair
share of idiots out that night, moreso than on any other New Year's, almost
guaranteed.  So the best bet is to cozy up in front of the electric fire
(read: TV) and greet the new year with a healthy dose of Dick Clark and your
favorite beverage (which will be soda for me - call me a dork, but I don't
drink, by choice.)

Are *you* Y2K compliant?

(XTC content:  anyone have any idea what the artwork for AV2 will look like?
Based on AV1 or completely different?)

Tom

Electronic Work Instructions
Web-owner, Manufacturing Engineering Homepage
<http://nt-mes-08.msc.az.boeing.com/engineer/me/home.html>

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Message-ID: <4782AD6ADDBDD2119B570008C75DD5C12DBB77@mgmtm02.parliament.uk>
From: Lawson Dominic <LawsonD@parliament.uk>
Subject: Half Ass Cargill
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:54:55 -0000

>>Thank God the Satanas thing is over!  Or is it?  None of you are letting
it end.  What I find funny with the whole thing is all you morons who
participated in the arguments!

Yeah, hilarious wasn't it? Almost as hilarious as contributing reams of
desperately unfunny, badly conceived pseudo-prankery to a discussion forum
dedicated to a band for whom "you" obviously have no real enthusiasm or
appreciation. I'm sure I get on people's tits quite a lot (and not just on
Chalkhills) but even I wouldn't repeat a bad joke over and over again until
people's ears are bleeding....oh, and as I am presumably one of the
"morons", I'm intrigued to know how it felt to have "your" arse kicked
repeatedly on the list? Having singularly failed to respond to any of the
points made by Chalkhillians, other than to flesh out "your"
oh-so-chuckleworthy persona, one can only assume that "you" are a moron
too....

>>I sat here reading post after post
you while you guys instigated and tried to out-articulate each other while
sweating buckets of Testosterone filled sweat.

That's a curious interpretation. All I saw (and, indeed, contributed to) was
a series of successful, and occasionally witty, put-downs aimed at a bear of
very little brain who was either (a) pulling the weakest scam in the history
of weak scams or (b) making a somewhat pitiful bid for some attention. Not
breast-fed as a child, I presume?

>>Sure, I found his posts ridicules and his name quite irritating.

And his spelling was shit on a stick as well....how strange "you" didn't
notice! Ridicules indeed......Jesus wept!!!

>>Itgives me faith that the people out there who have not yet found the
lord are still looking.  Otherwise they would not be calling his name!

Oh fuck off.

>>Nice try, Brian/Satanas/etc.! Just a tip: Next time you post to Chalkhills
with a different e-mail address, try sending it via a different server --
you won't get exactly the same message ID's that way.

Well quite. "Sadly" I think he's blown it though.....whatever "it" is in
this instance (after all, has ANYONE got a clue why Mr Skull-Full-Of-Poop
would wish to waste everyone's time in this way?)....and that
retard-with-a-crayon style does tend to jump out from the screen
somewhat....

>>But just remember, big guy -
if you really ARE an XTC fan, you're still OK by me!

Of course he's not an XTC fan! Pah! Gary Glitter fan, more like.

>>You're wrong. And you're a grotequely ugly freak.

Ah-ha! Brass Eye fans in the house!!!! I salute you all! F*cknut and, it has
to be said, Arse-Candle.

>>Try listening to Mummer and turning your brain on before you post.

I think you'll find that "Wonderland" sounds a lot better if your brain is
turned off (and you ears for that matter), but thanks for the tip! (as the
prostitute said to the leper)

>>Your faith is more a willful ignorance and denial of the direct,
clear and unambiguous message of the song: "It's just somebody's unholy
hoax."  Where's the freaking ambiguity in that?

Don Parker - I love you! In a purely platonic way, of course, but the love
is for real, man. It has always amazed me that anyone could mis-interpret
"Dear God", and lots of other XTC songs for that matter, but apparently it's
actually possible to wander past  "the bleeding obvious" - if you whistle
loud enough you can drown it out altogether.......boy in blue!!! Ha ha ha!!!
Sorry, that was a bit triumphalist.....snigger.

>>These songs though are enough to make an
atheist's heart burst with joy, sort of a Chicken Soup for the Atheist
Soul.

Mmmmm.....please sir, can I have some more? This Cliff Richard gruel leaves
a nasty taste in the mouth (I mean, HAVE YOU HEARD THAT SONG???
AAAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!) and let's face it, The Devil has all the best tunes.
Well, all the best riffs anyway....

And finally, my favourite XTC moment....

The guitar solo in "Complicated Game".....it has to be!!!! All the wrong
notes, not necessarily in the right order and there you have it - GENIUS!!!!

Salut!

Dom "LEADER! LEADER! LEADER!" Lawson

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Message-ID: <384BFC0F.C85@realtime.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:10:23 -0600
From: chris vreeland <vreecave@realtime.com>
Organization: Vreeland Graphics
Subject: guns and the American way

>From John Lerfald:

>post more of your refreshing observations!

Thanks, Sir, I will. (with a tip of the hat to ya)

--looking up from slightly ajar manhole cover-- "Is he gone yet? is it
safe to come out?"

Ooooh boy, two of my favorite subjects- Melt Rush Limbaugh! (sorry)

	MTG is THE song that did it for me, as I have stated here before, but
that post was concerning bass playing, and I didn't get into the
politics of unfettered gun-ownership at that point. Of course, the great
thing about xTc is that there's some pretty good, insightful lyrics that
go along with all that bass playing too, giving me at least a twofold
reason to consider them my favorite band. (WARNING! DIGRESSION!...When I
was young, I labeled XTc my "favorite band" without much thought,
because I just needed a name to plug into the much-asked question: "Oh,
you're a musician, huh? What's your favorite band?" Over the years,
though, no other artist has seriously challenged them in my opinion, and
the reasons for considering them such grew from the simple need for a
pat answer to a love and reverence for the unmatched artistry they have
presented to the world. Their art has grown with me, and in many ways
paralleled my own maturation into adulthood, beginning with the angst
and idealism of the "angry young men" and growing through love,
disillusionment, parenthood, hope, more disillusionment, divorce, and
now in their oldage, wistful remembrance. Andy Partridge's eloquence has
given voice to emotions and ponderings that I was unable to articulate,
and he has challenged me to think and act in ways I might have not
considered otherwise. All set to some amazing music.  END DIGRESSION)
	The overt political statement in Melt the Guns succeeds in ways that
XtC'S other overt political statements have occasionally missed the mark
(War Dance comes to mind, though I don't detest it- it's just an
over-generalization). I'm as freedom-loving as the next guy, and I don't
think it's possible to legislate guns out of existence, but is our
"right" a tad expensive when you consider all the dead children, spouses
and acquaintances who would be with us today if it hadn't been for an
"accident" or moment of "heated passion" which someone later regrets?
Sure, guns don't kill people, but they sure make it tons easier, as you
really have to put some effort into bludgeoning or stabbing someone in a
visceral way that guns don't require. Just squeeze gently, and someone
dies.
	I grew up in the middle of America's gun culture- at times during my
youth there were over a dozen weapons of various calibers in my house,
and I learned to shoot at a very young age. I was raised by a man with
great hostility towards society, and government in particular, who
thought that armed insurrection was a viable alternative to the Vietnam
war. I never subscribed to his political views, although for years I
believed in "parity," i.e. if all my neighbors are armed to the teeth
and half-crazed on cocaine every weekend, then I should be armed too, in
order to protect myself- that is until I had to wrestle a loaded .357
from the hands of my suicidal girlfriend, about ten years ago. As soon
as I had her in good hands, I drove that gun to the pawn shop, and never
picked it up. Since then, I have peaceably taken my chances.
	This is the point where I must enter the constitutional debate.
Obviously, freedom from tyranny was foremost in the minds of the men who
wrote the American constitution. Also obvious is that the first ten
amendments to said constitution were meant to augment and ensure that
freedom. However, in 1789, a musket was scarcely more dangerous than a
sword, and I have to ask- haven't the other nine amendments safeguarded
us from oppression somewhat handily without the need to resort to armed
insurrection for 210 years, now? I believe a well educated populace
which votes and takes part in its democracy is a much more useful check
against tyranny that a bunch of drunk rednecks armed to the teeth with
uzis.
	Does the proliferation of guns not in fact impose another form of
tyranny unintended by the framers? I'd like to live free from the fear
that your child will accidentally shoot mine while they are playing at
your house. I'd like to live free from the fear that if I make a mistake
driving my car that you will not shoot me on impulse because you've had
a bad day already. I'd like to be able to count on a public education
for my children in schools where they don't have to consider who among
them is armed and dangerous.
	However, Legal precedent over the recent course of 2nd amendment cases
leads one to believe that its repeal or revision is unlikely. In fact,
the courts have bolstered the pro-gun lobby's arguments that the "well
regulated militia" is the subordinate clause of the amendment. It will
most likely stand for years to come.
	In this environment, I am still left with personal choice, and
hopefully the power of persuasion. I chose to live non-violently; that
is in a weapon-free home. I believe an outraged but non-violent
citizenry can accomplish much, when bolstered by the rule of law. It's
not easy being tear gassed, but ultimately, non violence has prevailed
whenever it has been persistently employed. Look back upon last week's
events in Seattle. The politicians there know their jobs are at stake
over their mishandling of the protests, and the WTO tucked its tail and
went home in disarray. Martin Luther King, jr. was killed with a gun,
but the civil rights movement went on, anyway. The precedents for
non-violence in America are many, and the precedents for armed
insurrection as a means for redress of grievance are few. (The Civil
War, anybody? The Symbionese Liberation Army?)

I'll end it there. Feel free to chat amongst yourselves, however, or to
rebut, as is your right. (I'd like to hear from citizens of other
democracys where gun ownership is strictly controlled. Do the Brits on
this list feel at risk of tyranny? What sort of "rights" do you have in
Australia?.)

Consider mine melted,
Chris Vreeland

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Message-ID: <130CB597E04ED211B2A400104B93AAC47DF78D@ESCORP1>
From: "Wiencek, Dan" <dwiencek@crateandbarrel.com>
Subject: RE: peas 'n cheese
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:12:50 -0600

Newcomer Alec (welcome aboard) wrote:

> I've liked the Chalkhills lists I've been getting!  It's great to see a
> list that's so dedicated to actual opinions about the actual band and
> their actual music.

Don't get used to it. ;-)

> It seems like Terry's dismissed a lot by Andy and maybe Colin, too.  At
> least the handy dandy, spicy little bite-sized quotes I always see
> writers use when painting the Chambers picture (out of context, no
> doubt).

Personally, I've found Partridge's one-note appraisals of Terry Chambers
to be simplistic, bordering on insulting. While giving him ample credit
for his musical contribution, Andy has never otherwise bothered to
describe Chambers as anything other than a loutish drunkard. Reading Paul
C's interview with Terry a couple years ago (check the Little Lighthouse
site), I was surprised by how interesting and erudite he was, how much
thought he had evidently given to the path popular music had taken since
he left it; I then wondered why I was surprised, and realized Andy's
comments had prepared me for a one-dimensional sensation-monger, not the
fully rounded individual he is.  So, while I don't know Chambers (or Andy,
or Colin, yadda yadda, usual disclaimers apply), I think Andy has done him
a disservice. Of course, Andy may well have considered someone capable of
breaking into a chip shop and whizzing into a tub of spuds to be beyond
his understanding anyway, and so decided that subtle characterization
wouldn't really be worth his while.

> I think XTC has suffered, for lack of a better word for it, in the
> rhythm department since Terry left.  Andy or Dave Lord or whoever it was
> did a good job with "Big Express" drums-wise but they're a little hard
> to take, robotics, in an XTC context.

I usually take the opposite view in this debate. It's true that Terry was
an important part of XTC's "fingerprint," in that his style was
tremendously distinctive and gave XTC's records a sound that was unique to
them. But what starts out as distinctive can become limiting in the long
run, and Terry's driving, super-emphatic style could (I might even say
would) have ended up sounding dated had he stuck with the band. More to
the point, though, Andy's songwriting was moving too far away from that
style of recordmaking. Had Chambers not left during Mummer, he probably
would have soon after; the only way he could have stayed (leaving personal
considerations out for the moment) was if he radically altered his style,
in which case it wouldn't *really* have been Terry, would it?

I think XTC have had some outstanding drumming on their post-touring
records, and in particular I think Dave Mattacks is a fantastic drummer,
the best of XTC's latter-day career. His work on Nonsuch brims over with
wit and personality, without straying too far from Terry's bash-'em-out
spirit of old. (I've long nursed the theory that the entire drum part to
Peter Pumpkinhead is an homage to Terry; it always makes me smile to hear
Mattacks wallop out that simple 4-square beat, as though he were the first
guy ever to have come up with it ... very Terry.) I was let down when I
heard Mattacks wasn't drumming on AV2 ... is there a reason why that is? I
thought he was a dead lock and next thing I know, someone unknown to me is
playing drums on XTC's new record, including "We're All Light," a
fantastic song which cries out for the Mattacks touch and which, I am
convinced, could be a respectable hit if presented correctly. We can only
hope.

That's more than enough blather for now ... welcome to the list.

Dan

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:42:32 -0800
Subject: colin's songs & fave moments
From: Daniel Duncan <dan@creditland.com>
Message-ID: <B4714398.103%dan@creditland.com>

i was listening to 'white music' last night (something i almost never do).
today my favorite song is colin's 'cross-wires.'
someone raised the point recently about colin's incredible growth as
songwriter since the early days. it's true! compare the embarrassing,
typically slap-dash new wave 'do what you do,' with the nillson-esque
'frivolous tonight' and mark this man's progress in songcraft.
* ---------------------------------------------
partial list of favorite xtc moments, in no particular order:

- the segue from 'that wave' into 'then she appeared'.
- this is <bass sliiiiiide>!, yeah-yeah! (the break in 'this is pop')
- the beach boys groove in the dukes' 'pale and precious'
- the ooo-woo-ooo background vocals in 'season cycle'

there's more that i can't think of right now. really, it's all just one big
fantastic moment.
* ---------------------------------------------
i can't think of any xtc songs that have a country flavor about them, but on
saturday did a bluegrass arrangement of 'earn enough for us' and it really
worked!

everything's buzz buzz
everything's beep beep,
dan

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Message-ID: <000301bf4022$3f7a2b20$371017d4@smj>
From: "Stephen Jackson" <smj@zen.co.uk>
Subject: God and Ringo the Metronome
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:35:18 -0000

Don wrote...

Wonderland
One day you will break out of your spell
And some day you will want me for your own
And I'll say welcome to reality
Caught in your superficial, nonexistent, fairy-story, wonderland

Xtc lyrics and religion? You might have been spot on elsewhere, but I don't
see the lyric to "Wonderland" having any religious connection...It's
obviously about a woman who spends time in high-flying social circles,
rather like the character in "Wait 'til your Boat Goes Down"

As I drummer, I was interested  in reading another poster's comments about
Ringo and Terry. That solo on side 2 of "Abbey Road" may be spot on time,
but it's still bloody embarrasing...What's more, if Ringo had such a
metronomic sense of timing, as the poster suggested, why the hell didn't he
employ it in "Drive my Car" (Cue yer cd up folks, and listen to that drummer
drift from 1 min 19 secs to 1 min 23 secs)...metronome, indeed!

Steve.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No room to move, no room for doubt.

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Message-ID: <D9E6CEC7734AD111BCF70090273C5D674B6A87@user8.chemonics.net>
From: Todd Bernhardt <TBernhardt@Chemonics.net>
Subject: It's All Over Now
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:38:13 -0500

Hi:

Good catch, John Hedges and eddie st. martin! But then John has to go
ruin it with:

>Personally, I'd get a hushmail.com account. They're practically
untraceable!<

D'oh! Great -- now, with each issue, we all get to play find the lunatic.
And that's getting increasingly difficult lately...

>From "Chauncy" Gardner:
>Steve Oleson brought up a good point below, and I wanted to add that
architecture's structure, from a design and construction point of view, is
the same as music's construction.   Mozart is a good composer to highlight.
The penultimate point is, that they both have rest periods and accentuated
reliefs, but both also contain *tension and release.*<

Hmm, interesting. What's the *ultimate point*?

>  It is a subconcious
relationship to negative and positive space, but you don't really know it,
unless a docent, which I am, calls attention to this characteristic of the
space.<

Which is why I recently hired a live-in docent. Everyone should have one!

Chris, responding to Chris:
>>You've been listening to too much of your wife's goddamn Air Supply,
>>and the excess oxygen has obviously gone to your brain! Now, on to the
>>main subject of this post...

>The other Chris, you have a hell of a memory, I'll give you that.

Not really. Your wife's love of Air Supply is legendary. (John, don't you
think it's time to add it to the FAQ?)

And on that big, fat idiot:
>  As an occasional listener to Rush, I've heard "Generals And Majors" on
his show on occasion too, as well as several songs from Utopia's last three
albums in the early to mid-80's. It would be misleading to call Rush a
libertarian, though. He's a libertarian only when it's convenient for him,
like most people.

Sort of like his approach to the truth, eh? And what did he play from
Utopia? "Swing to the Right"?

And thanks for letting me know where "most people" stand in their politics.
Actually, I'm a libertarian only when it's really inconvenient for me. I
think it shows my commitment more.

Okay, enough of this brouhaha (hahaha). Time for XTContent:

Some time ago, I brought up what I thought was an Ironic Thing: that Dave
Gregory had toured (and slept) with Aimee Mann during her "I'm With Stupid"
tour. Geddit? Well, several people on the list, including our esteemed
moderator, corrected me and let me know that Dave had in fact toured with
her on the "Whatever" tour. Cowed, I slinked back to my corner and
concentrated on compiling instrument lists until I realized that, given the
confessional nature of Ms. Mann's lyrics, perhaps it's even worse that "I'm
With Stupid" was released _after_ her Dalliance with Dave.

Now, I used to think that it is irresponsible to speculate about our heroes,
but until AV2 is released, I think idol gossip is all we have to hold on to.
So, which song on "I'm With Stupid" is about Dave? (Don't bitch if you don't
have the album ... you should.) Think of it -- Sex! Betrayal! Rock and roll!
Vicious rumors and groundless hypotheses that Dave might feel compelled to
counter, allowing us to find out if he's secretly reading the digest! Sex!!

I think it's "All Over Now." Why? Well, it's got four -- count 'em -- great
guitar solos, and Dave's a great guitarist. It also quotes lyrics from
"Superball" and Dave is probably a super... well, you get the idea. If you
don't, Amanda does.

I might be wrong. I probably am. But who cares? What say you, fellow (and
female) Chalkies?

--Todd "When's that Jon Brion album coming out?" Bernhardt

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Message-ID: <19991206210627.73574.qmail@hotmail.com>
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <xornom@hotmail.com>
Subject: Some Worthless Comments
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 21:06:27 GMT

I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks now, and I thought I'd make
a post, introducing myself and giving some worthless comments.  First, let
me state that I've never lost a logical argument.

No, I'm just kidding.  Seriously, though, I'm 22 years old and American.
I was only introduced to XTC last year, and it looks like I picked a good
time, what with the band's recent comeback.  How did I learn about XTC?
I'm glad you asked.  I guess my first musical interest was humourous
stuff.  My first musical obsession was "Weird Al" Yankovic, and he's still
a favourite of mine.  Once I entered college, I started looking into the
works of some other bands.  I think I basically discovered XTC through
They Might Be Giants (probably my absolute favourite band).  You're
probably aware of Their song "XTC Vs. Adam Ant," which I actually see as a
fairly weak effort as far as the Johns are concerned, but it did bring the
name of XTC into my consciousness.  I learned a little more about the
band, and, about halfway through my sophomore year, I decided to knuckle
down (love his skin) and buy Upsy Daisy Assortment.  It was an odd
assortment of songs, some of which I loved, and others that I didn't care
for all that much.  I did eventually invest in the rest of the XTC
catalogue, though, and I now have all of the "main" XTC albums, as well as
Rag and Bone Buffet and Testimonial Dinner.  I bought Apple Venus Volume 1
on the day it was released, but I still don't have Homespun.  I might end
up buying it someday, but the stores in which I've looked all seem to sell
it for the same price as Apple Venus.  The demos are essentially
unfinished products, so it really seems to me that they shouldn't cost as
much as the finished ones.  Oh, well.

>I've liked the Chalkhills lists I've been getting!  It's great to see a
>list that's so dedicated to actual opinions about the actual band and
>their actual music.

So you don't like discussion of the Dukes, since they're not an actual
band?

>I have to agree with what Iain Murray wrote about Terry Chambers.  XTC,
>as a band, is up there with the best from any era during "Black Sea" and
>"Settlement" and a lot of the success in the sound of those songs from
>this period comes from chemistry between the individuals and Terry's
>sense of drum.

I have to admit that I don't always pay that much attention to any one
particular instrument, but there have definitely been some major changes
since Terry left.  Really, the band hasn't done all that much
percussion-intensive work in the post-Terry era (certainly nothing along
the lines of Black Sea, which really gave Terry a chance to shine).

>Speaking of XTC's day-glo eras, I also miss the madcap noodlings of
>Barry from time to time.

The change in the band's sound from the Barry era to the Dave one is even
greater than the change from Terry to post-Terry.  I've read that the band
(especially Andy) consciously tried to get away from the
keyboard-intensive sound of the first two albums (which was enjoyable and
energetic, if nothing else).

>It will be interesting, now that Gregory's gone, to hear what Colin and
>Andy will create.

Especially when you consider that Apple Venus Volume 2 is supposed to be a
more electric rock style of album, which probably would mean some intense
electric guitar (and drums, for that matter).

>At any rate, here are some good CDs I thought Chalkhillers might enjoy:
>Camper Van Beethoven - Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart, Key Lime Pie

I bought these two, along with their first album, Telephone Free Landslide
Victory, earlier this year.  It's a shame that only these three are still
in print; the band has a great sound, and I would have liked to hear some
of their other stuff.

>But maybe we can take this in a new direction, I mean why do we always
>focus so much on Dear God?  Perhaps a better overall picture can be had
>by reviewing the lyrics from some other XTC songs:
>
>Scissor Man
>If you refuse to believe he exist
>You won't be frightened when you find out you're on his list.

Well, the Scissor Man isn't God, but there is a bit of the same kind of
mentality in some religions.  The "be good or go to Hell" kind of thought
bears some resemblance to "be good or the Scissor Man will get you."  I'm
not saying that all religious people are this way, but there does seem to
be an element of fear in several religions.

>Travels in Nihilon
>We've seen no Jesus come and gone.

Well, that song is more about the punk movement than about religion, isn't
it?

>Deliver Us from the Elements
>Oh Lord deliver us from the elements
>We at your mercy and your reverence
>Oh Lord deliver us from the elements
>We've no defense we are impotent
>(Yes, a very different sentiment here, but left in as a gesture of
>unbias.)

It's also a Colin song, rather than an Andy one.  I know Andy is an
atheist, but does anyone know what Colin's religious beliefs are?

>This World Over
>Will you tell them about that far off and mythical land,
>Where a child to the virgin came.
>Will you tell them that the reason why we murdered
>Everything upon the surface of the world
>So we can stand right up and say we did it in His name?

Seems to me to be emphasizing the hypocrisy

>Merely a Man
>I had no message and the message
>was, we're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz!
>I'm all religious figures rolled into one, Gaddafy Duck propelled
>from Jimmy Swaggart's tommy gun.
>With logic and love we'll have power
>enough to raise consciousness up and for lifting humanity higher!
>We should chase superstition and fear from
>our hearts if we're going to survive and take levels of sanity higher!

I like the sentiment of this song, because I like to believe that no one
person is naturally "better" than another; they're all just people.  Of
course, some religions wouldn't support this; for instance, according to
Christians, Jesus is supposedly better than the rest of us.

Okay.  I suppose that's enough for now.

Nathan

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Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991206125516.00c223f0@worden.electric.net>
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:58:31 -0800
From: David Hathaway <davidh@electric.net>
Subject: Re: Headspace

>"astronauts & heretics":
>
>does anyone else like this album, too? or even, are their other dolby fans
>amongst us?
>
>it is a shame he's too wrapped up in running headspace to even think about
>making a new record. according to "the flat earth" website (the url eludes
>me at the moment), he has no desire to record any more music for release
>under his own name. that's too bad, as i thought that, with each album, he
>was getting better and better, but alas...

Agreed entirely (says a delurking poster).

A tremendously talented songwriter who appears to be too caught up in his
tech company to make more music, but, to each his own, as long as he is
happy.  Astronauts was a brilliant album for the most part, despite a few
spotty bits and Aliens still makes me smile.

XTC content...

I can't wait for Volume II and I still adore AV1

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From: fheaney@erols.com
Message-ID: <005201bf402f$3c7367e0$92e47ad1@default>
Subject: A bunch of stuff nobody but me cares about, but here it is anyway
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:16:36 -0500

May wrote:
> *Ben Folds Five - The Unauthorized Biography of Reinhold Messner

Oh, crap, that's one I left off my list.  It's so hard to keep track of
things that weren't released in the past two or three months.  I forgot
about the latest from Electronic as well...but maybe I can shunt that and
the Scritti Politti to the year 2000 list since they haven't been officially
released on this side of the pond yet anyway.

> I like Elvis Costello.  I especially like Elvis Costello's "King of
> America" album.  One of my favorite Elvis songs is, "Stranger In The
> House".  Can you guess which two topics I'm combining?

Elvis vs. Joe and country music.  Do I win?

As for the Elvis vs. Joe thing, it's no contest anymore...and "Blaze of
Glory" is Joe's last good album, in my opinion (anything even vaguely
memorable -- and there was precious little of that -- on "Laughter and Lust"
was screwed up by a dippy track sequence), and his concert from the Blaze of
Glory tour was probably the best rock concert I've ever attended (but I
missed the Costello/Nieve concert, idiot that I am, so I can't compare).

David Oh, re "Astronauts and Heretics"
> does anyone else like this album, too? or even, are their other dolby fans
> amongst us?

I like it better than "Aliens Ate My Buick", but it's still a big step down
from his first two albums.  Not bad, though.

Semi-XTC content: Just got my "Adventure Club" CD with "Blue Beret" on
it...it's sort of endearing and annoying at the same time to hear Andy's
voice crack when he tries for the high notes.  Highlights of the album are
the two Lilac Time songs, though.

-- Francis

"Feed the yak!  Feed the yak some...toast!"
   -- The Lounge Lizards

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Message-ID: <01BF4012.B96D4BC0@qrvl209-74-60ppp41.epix.net>
From: Tim Schreyer <schreyer@epix.net>
Subject: Pure Pop Heaven
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:52:01 -0500

> >>One more thing:
> >>Say it aint so, Iain! I really like Big World a lot!
> >>Most of the songs are pretty good, the only misfire is
> >>the lame recording process involved.  Laughter & Lust
> >>is a better example of a misfire, IMHO.
>
> Sorry. I haven't heard "Laughter And Lust" as yet, probably because I've
> never heard anyone say anything good about it. "Big World" sounds a bit
> flabby to me - I think it would have been more listenable (at least, to
> my one good ear) as a single album rather than an album-and-a-half.

Good God!  You've never heard anyone say anything good about "Laughter &
Lust"?!?  It has to be Joe's most under-rated album!  If you believe in
"Pop" as a craft, this album is craftsmanship to the extreme.  I've always
been stunned it didn't fare better and I always assumed Joe Jackson fans
liked it!  I mean it's different from "I'm the Man" but so is "Night
Music".  My Joe Jackson fan friends hereabouts are also XTC fan converts
and "Laughter & Lust" is on all our lists of great pop albums.

	Tim
--
schreyer@epix.net

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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:09:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Benjamin Lukoff <blukoff@alvord.com>
Subject: drugs and alcohol
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.991206150543.14802A-100000@locutus.alvord.com>

"Diamond" <arnos@nantucket.net> wrote:

>    I really agree with your post in the last chalkhills. I, too, don't
> drink, and, I must say, I am probably one of only five kids in my high
> school who don't drink. (although there are only 300 kids in my school,
> so...) I really have always thought that anyone who needs to take
> anything, be it drugs, alcohol, whatever, just to be happy really aren't
> trying very hard. I especially feel this way with with drugs. The

A couple of questions:
Why do you especially feel this way with drugs?  What makes a drunk more
acceptable than a pothead?
Also, fine, I agree with you...if you *need* drugs or alcohol to be happy
you have a problem.  But you're ignoring the vast majority of people who
are recreational users of both, who can get along perfectly fine without a
toke or a drink but enjoy one occasionally.  What about them?

> hippies who took drugs to "expand thier conciousness," I feel were
> actually doing more harm then anything. I see it as a limiting factor,
> and a sign that one is week if they have to take drugs to understand
> things better. A truley strong person (mentally) Doesn't need drugs to
> understand things. They should be able to handle things in thier life
> without the aid of "concious-expanding materials." Then again, those
> drugs DID influence some great music...Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

Not to mention Rubber Soul, Revolver, Pet Sounds, etc.  But does that
justify it?  Again, not everyone taking drugs is doing it to "expand their
consciousness"!  It's not all hippies and addicts, you know.

Ben Lukoff

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