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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 329

                 Monday, 6 December 1999

Today's Topics:

                         new guy
        Big Willie Style and First Degree Byrne's
   Films, Joe Jackson and a perfectly innocent question
                    twisted old punks
                   LATE ANAGRAM UPDATE
                   ten (not the movie)
             various threads/thoughts, part 1
              John has made me see the lite
                       country fan
                      Ringo Chambers
                           Huh?
                       sickle cycle
         Aimee Mann/Minster Hill (No XTC content)
             Goodbye, Satanas; Hello, Cargill
                  Rumblings & Ramblings
            Re: Thank God! or, Spot the Troll

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From: bozmn@intercom.net
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19991205210252.006ced10@shore.intercom.net>
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 16:02:52 -0500
Subject: new guy

Hi there, I've decided to finally say something. I've been reading
chalkhills for a month or two, but I haven't had the urge to post until
now.  I'm not sure why. anyway, I'm 17; I haven't been into XTC for very
long, but thanks to my obsessiveness about music, I already have 7 of
their albums: ES, Mummer, Skylarking (first one I heard), O&L, Nonsuch,
AVv1, and the Dukes' album (my brother also has Waxworks); also, about the
only thing on my Christmas (even if it's supposed to be in spring or
summer or whatever) list is Transistor Blast. I play bass, and
coincidentally my favorite member of XTC is Colin, because I like his bass
playing, his voice, and his songwriting (yes, I like him more than
Andy--deal with it). Simple, n'est-ce pas?

Another topic that's come up on here is the best-of-'99 lists. my favorite
'99 albums (actually, these are all the '99 albums I've bought, but...)
are in no particular order:

Flaming Lips - Soft Bulletin
XTC - Apple Venus v.1
Ben Folds Five - Unauthorized Biography...
Yes - The Ladder
Billy Sherwood - The Big Peace
King Crimson - Cirkus
Guster - Lost & Gone Forever

That's about it. Don't hate me because I like prog-rock (or for my spotty
capitalization, for that matter)!

Cole

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Message-Id: <199912052337.SAA25067@nantucket.net>
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:44:40 -0800
Subject: Big Willie Style and First Degree Byrne's
From: "Diamond" <arnos@nantucket.net>

Will J,
    I really agree with your post in the last chalkhills. I, too, don't
drink, and, I must say, I am probably one of only five kids in my high
school who don't drink. (although there are only 300 kids in my school,
so...) I really have always thought that anyone who needs to take
anything, be it drugs, alcohol, whatever, just to be happy really aren't
trying very hard. I especially feel this way with with drugs. The hippies
who took drugs to "expand thier conciousness," I feel were actually doing
more harm then anything. I see it as a limiting factor, and a sign that
one is week if they have to take drugs to understand things better. A
truley strong person (mentally) Doesn't need drugs to understand
things. They should be able to handle things in thier life without the aid
of "concious-expanding materials." Then again, those drugs DID influence
some great music...Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

Also, My friend bought me a David Byrne live video called Beneath the
Teeth, and I must recomend it to anyone who likes David Byrne's solo
stuff, as well as anyone who likes good direction. Personally, I think
that this live movie is just as good as Stop Making Sense.
    Does anyone know if they ever released an album of the music on this
movie? If so, I want to but it. I haven't seen anything about one on David
Byrnes web-sight, though...

Kevin Diamond, Before and After Science (Homework)
* __________________________________________________________________________
"To emphasize the afterlife is to deny life. To concentrate on heaven is to
create hell."
          -Tom Robbins

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From: Iain.Murray.70428176@army.defence.gov.au
Message-Id: <4A25683F.0003991E.00@stagemaster.army.defence.gov.au>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:48:11 +1000
Subject: Films, Joe Jackson and a perfectly innocent question

>>From: "David Seddon" <D.Seddon@btinternet.com>
>>Subject: Old memories, kids and films

>>Also what's your fav film of the Millennium?

For me, it'd be a three-way tie between "The Last Waltz", "Doctor
Strangelove" and "This Is Spinal Tap".

>>From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: the country sounds of XTC

>>One more thing:
>>Say it aint so, Iain! I really like Big World a lot!
>>Most of the songs are pretty good, the only misfire is
>>the lame recording process involved.  Laughter & Lust
>>is a better example of a misfire, IMHO.

Sorry. I haven't heard "Laughter And Lust" as yet, probably because I've
never heard anyone say anything good about it. "Big World" sounds a bit
flabby to me - I think it would have been more listenable (at least, to my
one good ear) as a single album rather than an album-and-a-half.

>>From: Jeremy Cargill <musician@publicist.com>
>>Subject: Thank God!

>>I don't like anything
>>by XTC prior to Skylarking.

Forgive me if this sounds like a wind-up, or personal abuse - I assure you
it's just a question :

If you don't like anything by XTC before "Skylarking" (a period which,
let's face it, covers the bulk of their catalogue), why are you on this
list? Perhaps we can convert you over time....

Iain

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:13:04 +1100
From: Sebastien Maury 02 9950 3315 <maury.sebastien@a2.abc.net.au>
Subject: twisted old punks
Message-id: <E1105IFM2QB3I*/R=A1/R=ABCNET/U=MAURYS6G/@MHS>

Could be a retrospective album title for XTC. Just kidding.
Mark mused about the Joe/Elvis dilemma. Having seen Elvis twice and
Joe twice, I'm prepared to offer a qualified tie. I saw Elvis in 1991
in a large stadium. His keyboards had been damaged and he was
obviously pissed off. He played about 80 minutes then buggered
off. Some of it was good. He *was* my favourite singer songwriter of
the moment after Spike and Mighty Like a Rose, and the experience
was fairly abject, to say the least. Joe on the other hand, delivered
in spades the same year. He played a much smaller and plusher venue,
and amazed me with his constant reinvention of familiar songs, pushing
the structures, harmonies, and arrangements to the very limits, at
times, of recognition. This was underpinned by his talented
instrumental abilities, and an acknowledgment of just how to manage
his fascinating but admittedly limited voice. Smashing evening at the
theatre.
I saw Joe again in about 1995 or 6 on the back of his quieter album of
that year, and in anyone else's hands, the material could have
appeared lame and the evening would have most likely been a tedious
waste of time. But somehow, JJ's appealing performing persona managed
to keep things fresh and interesting. The material of the time
certainly foreshadowed the interestingly diverse sprawl of Heaven and
Hell (just why it's on a classical record label I don't know-those A&R
folk must *really* have been desparate to tap into the dreaded
"crossover" market), and the current Symphony (or at least I assume
so, as I have not yet heard it-anyone have any thoughts on it?). So a
qualified success.
Elvis Costello's' crowning achievement this decade has been the
sterling collaboration with Burt Bacharach on the Painted From Memory
CD. The swirling, romanticism and heavily orchestrated clarity of BB
meld wonderfully with the acid tongue and yearning tenor of EC. His
voice, while never classically "good" I think is stronger now than it
has ever been and his arching, aching, expressive high notes are
extraordinary.
Which brings me to Elvis Costello world tour 98-99. As many would
know, Elvis decided to eschew the full shebang of the album for parts
of his tour (including Australia) and simply take Mr Naive (sic) to
provide piano only arrangements of songs old and new. My evening in
Her Majesty's Theatre with a few friends threatened to obliterate any
other concert experience I'd ever had. I was lucky enough to be in the
front row there and as he finished with a beautiful unaccompanied,
unmiked lament with a soft spot, I was moved by an art of a
master. Truly stunning. Needless to say, I saw him twice, hang the
expense. Best $50 I ever spent.
So the conclusions are...inconclusive!
What a pity I couldn't have devoted the same space and enthusiasm to
Andy's vocal style and Colin's bassing.
Keep dreaming Seb.
Cheers, and thanks to all the kind people who e-mailed me with ideas
for procuring and offers to provide, Homespun. I have my Japanese
import. How good is the packaging?!!! 2 booklets, transcriptions,
extra tracks. I'm in heaven.
Seb.

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Message-Id: <199912060352.WAA12329@nantucket.net>
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 21:59:09 -0800
Subject: LATE ANAGRAM UPDATE
From: "Diamond" <arnos@nantucket.net>

Kevin Diamond=

Venom Kid: An Id

Man, I'd do Kevin

Dim, Vain end. OK?

I've no damn kid

Man Devoid Kin

and, my personal fav, since I live on Nantucket Island (Nan) Which is a
boring, boring place to live,:

Nan Kid, I'd move!

Thanks. Now goodbye.

Kevin Diamond

P.S. Anagram = A Granma
____________________________________________________________________________
"To emphasize the afterlife is to deny life. To concentrate on heaven is to
create hell."
          -Tom Robbins

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From: hiner1@uakron.edu
Message-ID: <384B37D5.55AE9072@uakron.edu>
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 23:13:09 -0500
Subject: ten (not the movie)

Again, I want to extend a thank you to those who passed along more songs
about Vietnam.  On my post when I listed the songs, I forgot a line:  I
do have Frankie Goes to Hollywood and stuff by the Minutemen included.

Frankie was (were?) the first "real" concert I saw back in the dark ages
of 1984.  I mentioned this to my class one day, and 3/4 of them stared
at me as if I had just dropped the old drawers and shat on my textbook.
"Frankie who?"  The other 1/4 were older, "non-traditional" students who
pretended they didn't know who Frankie were (was?).

Anyway, our local rag (the Akron Beacon-Journal) has been soliciting
people to send in their "Top Ten Albums of the 90s" for some time, and I
have been resisting until this point, but today I mailed one along with
15 entrees (just couldn't cut it down).  Since everyone on Chalkhills
has been posting their top 10 of 1999 (I spent most of the year buying
older material to complete my collection - stuff from Magazine, Gang of
4, Chelsea, Big Country, etc), I thought I would forward my top 15 of
the decade, and start a new thread!  Genius!

15. Mighty Mighty Bosstones - Let's Face It
14. Weezer - Weezer
13. Nirvana - Nevermind
12. Dead Milkmen - Metaphysical Graffiti
11. Ramones - Adios Amigos
10. Echo and the Bunnymen - Evergreen
9.   XTC - Apple Venus
8.   David Byrne - Feelings
7.   Breeders - Last Splash
6.   Gang of Four - Mall
5.   Cibo Matto - Viva La Woman
4.   Elvis Costello - Brutal Youth
3.   Buzzcocks - All Set!
2.   They Might Be Giants - Flood
1.   XTC - Nonsuch

And FYI - any Chalkhillians in the Akron area searching for "Homespun"
may find it at Digital Daze; they also had a copy of the "Disappointed"
CD single, "Peter Pumpkinhead" CD single, and the bootleg "This Is Live"
CD, which is actually just the BBC Radio One Live (as seen in Transistor
Blast) minus "Nigel" and "Are You...," but with a fairly decent live
version of "I'll Set Myself on Fire" instead.

--

-Matt Hiner
University of Akron
Lakeland Community College
hiner1@uakron.edu
 .
 .
"Brain and brain!  What is brain?"

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Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19991206005646.0070e8dc@mail.interlog.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:56:46 -0500
From: David Oh <davidoh@interlog.com>
Subject: various threads/thoughts, part 1

some comments on recent threads, for what it's worth
(and it is a long post, so page down if you must):
----------
country music:

just not to my liking, i'm afraid. the closest i've come to buying
"country" records is neil young (notable discs: "harvest" and "comes a
time") and a couple by the eagles (not that they are 'real country' - sort
of pseudo-country). i do have respect for the likes of old schoolers such
as wille nelson, waylon jennings and johnny cash, as well as new wavers
such as lyle lovett and steve earle, but i'd never buy one of their
records. it (country music) just doesn't turn my crank.

btw, did you know that if you play a country record backwards, the girl
comes back, the pick-up truck gets fixed and the dog comes back to life! ;-)
----------
"astronauts & heretics":

chris vreeland wrote that he listened to this thomas dolby disc at work one
day. i had just changed a few discs in my car's cd changer (a 10 disc unit)
a few days before his post. among other changes, i replaced my recently
purchased copy of "alien's ate my buick" with "astronauts & heretics" and
i've been enjoying it anew.

does anyone else like this album, too? or even, are their other dolby fans
amongst us?

it is a shame he's too wrapped up in running headspace to even think about
making a new record. according to "the flat earth" website (the url eludes
me at the moment), he has no desire to record any more music for release
under his own name. that's too bad, as i thought that, with each album, he
was getting better and better, but alas...
----------
"melt the guns":

dunks, i quite agree with your stance on freedom from and freedom to. i
have 2 things to say on the topic of guns.

1. in the 'song stories' book, andy says, "i just really abhor guns. they
are for one thing - killing. they're not for shooting targets, that's just
to keep you in practice to make you more efficient at killing... america's
love of guns still disgusts me. i am the anti-ted nugent. but it's not
anti-american, it's anti-guns. i like americans a lot". i think that
explains it all, really. however...

2. love them or hate them, the red hot chili peppers have often been
dismissed as sexist, misogynistic knuckleheads. however, if you can get
past the "socks on cocks" and the "special secret song inside", they have
made some poignant comments and observations in the past, as well as some
really kick-ass music. flea, bassist-extrordinaire, made the following
announcement at woodstock 99:

"hey! if you have, at home, or in your car, or under your bed, or in your
pocket... if you have a gun, be sure to throw it away! throw it in the
garbage! just get the fuck rid of it, okay? we don't need that shit!"

sure, he was buck-assed-naked when he said this and his words sound kind of
silly they way he said them (throw it away... throw it in the garbage), and
yes, there were rioters and arsonists running amok as he was saying this,
but the essense of what he was saying is very similar to what andy is
saying in "melt the guns" - get rid of them. all of them! the sooner, the
better, too.
----------
"no thugs in our house":

it baffles me that some of you are only now understanding some of the
lyrics to this song. i've always thought it was very clear what andy was
saying about racism, parental denial and the justice system. then again,
there are some songs where i'm uncertain about what exactly andy really
means, so i'll forgive you. and no, i won't embarrass myself by revealing
what songs i don't understand...
----------
"'harrison' and the argonauts":

i loved your observation on this song and its use of the flanging. i can
play a little guitar, but i certainly don't know shit about the theory
behind music, so it was nice to have it explained to me.
also this:
>This all reminds me of an interview I once read with Spike Jones's son, who
said (I paraphrase from memory), "Dad was a stickler for detail. If he
wanted to put a gunshot into a song in place of a C sharp, it had to be a C
sharp gunshot--or it sounded awful."

i'm pleasantly surprised to hear of someone else who has heard of spike
jones, nevermind actually hearing his music. my dad played spike's records
way back when i was "knee-high to a grasshopper" and for anyone who hasn't
heard them, it's great stuff. clever, inventive cartoon-like music, without
being cartoonish in any way.
----------
fave beatle/xtc member:
>Almost everyone (well, from my generation) had a favorite Beatle. Who is
your favorite member of XTC and why? Andy is my predictable choice although
I always root for the underdog as well. Maybe it's his haircut that appeals
to me.

not list as favourites, but this is the way i see it:

andy = john
colin = paul
dave = george
terry = keith moon?!? (well, for approach and aggressiveness rather than
actual similarities, technique-wise. really hard bashers, though, both of
them. i certainly wouldn't put ringo in the same category as those two)

but what do i know, anyroad? |:-)
----------
Steve Oleson asked for thoughts on andy's genius, plus fave xtc moments:

i've always found it interesting that andy puts some of the loudest, most
abrasive noises, or odd chord voicings, up against some off his loveliest
melodies.

example: in 'i bought myself a liarbird', he follows "all i can say..."
with the exquisite "methinks the world is for you...", and then back to
brash with "... or the back of this record sleeve".

another example is from 'the ugly underneath", with the harsh (ugly?)
verses sung over descending chords resolving into the lovely chorus melody.
beautiful! there are many more, but i've too much to say on other threads.

as for my fave xtc moment, there are just too many to list, but i will say
(again) that, in 'i can't own her', the strings coming up from under "like
the swirling skies" gives me chill bumps, a lump in my throat and can, in
certain circumstances, make my eyes well-up with emotion - a rare moment
for me. the same phenomenon sometimes occurs with "chalkhills and children"
and "wrapped in grey".
----------
From: Craig Vreeken <CVreekn@ns.net>
Subject: Best of 99
>Also, I think these should be limited strictly to releases from this year
(either new or reissued), as opposed to just something you bought this year.

i disagree. why should it only be restricted to new releases or reissues?
why does it have to be "the best of...", why can't it be "favourite
purchases of...". sometimes, i've rediscovered a great, older, album by
purchasing a new copy or up grading to cd. i don't like "best of" lists, i
prefer "favourites" because "best" is an opinion, while "favourite" is a
preference.
----------
From: "John Lerfald" <jlerfal@uswest.com>
Subject: Re: It's Not Your Granma
> Davidoh, Since you seem conscientious about your grammar/usage, I thought I
would risk petulance by asking: Are you sure "vis-a-vis" is appropriate in
the following sentence?
>to answer your question, vis-a-vis a cappella versions of xtc songs

according to the concise oxford dictionary, 1990 edition:
vis-a-vis: 1. in relation to

as this was the context i was using it in, to answer your question; yes, i
think it is appropriate. i just couldn't add the accent above "a".
----------
i have more to say about other things, but i've decided to break it down
into two posts to save bandwidth.

 peace & xtc,

 davidoh

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Message-ID: <384B557C.BD294AA7@gte.net>
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:19:44 -0800
From: Randy Hiatt <rhiatt@gte.net>
Subject: John has made me see the lite

John Boudreau said (in that demonic way),

"The stylistic direction, dynamics, and emotions are filtered through
the drummer. He is the catcher to whom the pitcher/songwriter is
throwing."

wow, your entire Terry & Ringo thing....you say that stuff good!.. and
your right about alot of it.

so now I must give up playing drums.

Randy (short stick) Hiatt

http://members.tripod.com/RandyHiatt/

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Message-ID: <384B5734.276A3F4@home.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 01:27:01 -0500
From: Mark Newberg <mhnewberg@home.com>
Organization: @Home Network
Subject: country fan

I don't if  anyone else considers Mary-Chapin Carpenter to be in the
country genre, but her cd 'Stones In The Road' is a favorite of mine. In
fact, I don't think she has put out a bad disc yet.

--
"Mankind IS my business"       - Dickens

			Mark Newberg

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From: JEFFREY.THOMAS.JT@bayer-ag.de
Subject: Ringo Chambers
Message-Id: <0006800017816090000002L002*@MHS>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:16:25 +0100

Hi "Kreideberger",

John "Boudleau-san" Boudreau wrote some very interesting observations
about Terry and Ringo in #237.  Good to hear from a Ringo fan!  Ringo was
incredibly close to metronomic *most* of the time (and, rarely, apallingly
off, like "You Won't See Me") and also able to come up with incredibly
good fills and very "melodic" parts, but unfortunately, *often*
appallingly off on that one.  Some of his recordings, particularly in the
solo years (either on his own or others' albums) are so unabashedly
uninspired and lazy, it's sickening.

Of course, one incredibly good song reminds you of how good he is.  Like
"When We Was Fab".  Or "I Keep Forgettin'".  Or "Hold On, Yoko/John".  But
there are entire albums where his uninspired playing annoys me to the
point where I can't listen to him.  Ringo seemed to lose the drive to be
good after awhile, both in his own records (what was *really* good after
"Ringo"?  one or two songs per album...) and in his playing.  Maybe it was
all the alcohol, drugs, and nicotine; maybe he was just too famous for his
own good.  For me, it's a damn shame, considering the fascinating phases
he went through as a Beatle.  His playing in the late psychedelic days and
during the "Let it Be"/"Abbey Road" days was awesome.  Drums as a melodic
instrument.

He, like the Beatles in general, showed clearly that musicality wins out
over technique.  And his "left-handed/right-handed" fills set a standard
that still lives on to this day.

As for Terry, I feel he really came into the forefront when the producers
realized what they had in him.  For me, "White Music" and "Go 2" are
albums with a proficient drummer, but "D&W", "BS" and "ES" are incredible.
I do not, however, share the relatively common opinion Terry fans often
have of the drummers that followed.  In fact, I think each of them was
excellent in his own right.  Not Terry, but excellent.  I honestly think
people like Peter Phipps and Pat Mastellotto understood what Terry was
doing.  And I think the music itself changed as much as the drumming did
-- i.e. even Terry would've sounded a lot different playing "Mummer"
stuff.

Nevertheless, if I were Andy or Colin, I would seriously consider giving
Terry a shot at one of the next few albums.  It sure would be interesting
to hear what he could do with some of this new music.  (And -- why not? --
since Dave is [very unfortunately] gone for good, maybe they could
convince Barry to play some keys on AV2.  Could be interesting...).

- Jeff

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From: JStrole@aol.com
Message-ID: <0.89a82e01.257d1dc9@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:10:17 EST
Subject: Huh?

The XTC comment was based on someone liking "Blame The Weather."  For
whatever reason the copying of their quote did not show up on my post.

<Ringo's ability to play odd time signatures>
John, nice comments on Ringo. What about the ability to change time
signitures such as in "Rain" (AP's favorite Beatles' track).  Another good
isolation on Ringo's drumming is the coda/fade-in of "Strawberry Fields."
Most of the drummers I've ever played with always seem to knock Ringo's
drumming, though I haven't come across too many that can play his style
correctly.

Harry

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Message-ID: <003901bf3fbf$28379d20$cb38d2cc@bestuspc2.san.rr.com>
From: "Bob Estus" <restus@san.rr.com>
Subject: sickle cycle
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:54:37 -0800

Hills and Dales,

Quick jot about country western influences and XTC. In Season Cycle I
always crack up when I hear, what I perceive as, a country western guitar
flare at the end of the line "it's growing greeeeen". I had attributed this
to a bit of Dave Gregory's pre-XTC country western band experience seeping
through. Maybe another example of how you can toss any musical genre into
the XTC filter and end up with something cool on the other side.

-Bob

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Message-ID: <EDA7A21E5B70D311A5480008C7E6C19F45D45B@nymse9th1.barnesandnoble.com>
From: Greg Marrs <gmarrs@book.com>
Subject: Aimee Mann/Minster Hill (No XTC content)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:21:45 -0500

Thanks to Jason Long for reminding me about the Magnolia soundtrack. I knew
it was coming, just didn't know when!  I just put in an order for it.

In general, Chalkhills has been a very useful space for recommending new
music.  One exception, for me, was the Minster Hill disc discussed here a
few months back.  If anyone would like to have the copy that I hastily
ordered, let me know and we'll work something out.  I'm not _recommending_
it, mind you -- this is for curiosity's sake only.

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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:07:27 -0500
From: Dorothy Spirito <spiritod@techmail.gdc.com>
Subject: Goodbye, Satanas; Hello, Cargill
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.9912060930540.15427-100000@esun2028>

Oh, goody.  Now we get to hear from the other side.  Are you sure you're
not Diablo in disguise?  What would make you think that taunting your
fellow Chalkids with "see-I-knew-better-than-you" and then lecturing them
with an holier-than-thou attitude would win anyone over?

Besides, Black Sea and English Settlement are effing brilliant.

--Dorothy.

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Message-Id: <s84b88ac.017@pigeon.dallasisd.org>
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:02:07 -0600
From: "David Martin" <dmartin@pigeon.dallasisd.org>
Subject: Rumblings & Ramblings

Seventh Grade Says:

1. Hey Grandpa, What's for supper?
2. What ever happened to Lulu Rowan?
3. The Roy Clark guitar instruction packet is a steal of a deal.
4. Nurse  Goodbody! Hot Damn!!
5. I'm ah pickin', and I'm ah grinnin'.
6. If you remember, Hew Haw doubled as a fake dinner theater.
7. BR549, Junior Sample : classic cracker comedy.
8. Gaylard Sartain both Hew Haw alumnus and landlord of Annette
Benning(?) in the "Grifters".
9. Hew Haw was also known as the Buck Owens farm system for wives.
10. I miss Minnie Pearl. She funny.
11 SALUTE!!

Back that ass up,

Mr. Martin

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Message-ID: <384BE0F3.C22788EB@ci.conover.nc.us>
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 11:14:43 -0500
From: erik schlichting <eriks@ci.conover.nc.us>
Subject: Re: Thank God! or, Spot the Troll

Someone claiming to be Jeremy Cargill wrote:

> From: Jeremy Cargill <musician@publicist.com>
> Subject: Thank God!
> Thank God the Satanas thing is over!  Or is it?
> Sure, I found his posts ridicules and his name quite irritating.

WARNING, DR. SMITH! WARNING! (Wave limbs about wildly)

Welcome to the list, Jeremy! I assume you are new here,
since I can't locate any previous posts from you. Obviously,
you've been lurking a while, since you've been witness to
the "Satanas" persecutions.

It was terrible what They did to him, rejecting his opinions
out of hand, and endlessly attacking his integrity. I agree
with you about all those people that argued with him just
prolonged the discussion. If everyone had just let his
rantings pass without comment, maybe he'd have gotten bored
and gone away. On the other hand, he did just keep shouting
'til some people couldn't take it anymore, so I guess, in a
way, he won. I guess he figured he had nothing else to
accomplish here, and so departed, though I suspect he's
probably still watching.

Normally, I don't discuss religion with people I don't know,
but I'm glad to see that you are secure enough in your faith
to just show it right up front, let everyone know where you
stand. And, you point out a good 'Christian' cliche, if I
may rephrase it, we should all love the sinner, hate the
sin. That's a very wise point. Even if they don't eat meat.

Finally, I'm glad you picked up on adding some small XTC
content to the end of your post, to insure its validity.
Keep doing this, or people will get angry and say that you
are "off topic." The rules for this seem vague, as it only
seems to apply to some people, like it did to Satanas.
Here's mine:

I'm sorry to hear that you don't like pre Skylarking XTC.
Personally, I find D&W up to Mummer to be their finest
period, and I have to agree with those in another ongoing
discussion that the loss of Terry Chambers changed the feel
of the band. Don't get me wrong, I still like the newer
stuff, it just doesn't have the edge that the music with TC
did. It never really rocks. I can accept this, I can
appreciate the changes in direction the band took, and why.
But, I still miss the XTC-that-rocks; Respectable Street,
Sgt. Rock, Scissor Man, Nigel, Towers of London, Senses, No
Thugs, etc. The live discs from Transistor Blast were a
godsend, no blasphemy intended. My fingers are crossed,
hoping  that AV2 will change my mind on this point.

*sigh*

Those were the days....
Erik Schlichting

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