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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 317

                 Monday, 22 November 1999

Today's Topics:

                      Re: Chalkhills
                    Happened Like This
   re: the "greenman" cd-single...and other "goodies!!"
                     Re: Sacre Diablo
                         Bird Nut
                      Snapple Penis
                   Wes Responds to Wes
                Meet Me on the Other Side
                Dobbyn Is My Horse's Name
     Chirpy Charlie & The Oubliette That Ate Noo Yawk
                   Sleepless In Swindon
       Martin Newell / Cleaners from Venus releases
                        X-Mas time
                 speaking of off-topic...
               Re: apology and declaration
          To turk or not to turk: Truth Revealed


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Message-Id: <>
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:41:27 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills

i dunno, i think i'm a little confused...

is it me, or has this digest gotten just a little bit weird lately? how
'bout a lot weird?

there's something about the past few digests has left me wondering; just
what the hell is going on in here?

perplexed in toronto...



Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:53:44 +0000
From: B Blanchard <>
Subject: Happened Like This

Dear all,
Thanks for everyone for the suggestions of XTC songs to accompany the
play I wrote and appeared in last Thursday.  Philip Lawes, please don't
ask me to stand up naked and grin, in any given room I would be the only
one grinning, trust me. Anyway, so the play went well (Thursday 18th
November at Battersea, South London) and I asked the sound/lighting guy
to play I Can't Own Her, as it was a tie between that and The Ugly
Underneath, and my director liked the mood set of I Can't Own Her.
So as everyone came in to the theatre the SoundMan lost concentration
for a split second and the whole of Harvest Festival was played instead.
Please don't tell anyone because - no, we couldn't afford to pay
ourselves let alone pay royalties.
Oh Well, That's This Play Over.
Off to NZ a week today, unsubscribing this week, have a great time
everyone and yadda yadda blah.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:36:40 -0800
From: Dan Phipps <>
Organization: CIC
Subject: re: the "greenman" cd-single...and other "goodies!!"

saw in a recent issue of goldmine where
a guy named david tyson is offering the
"greenman" single on cd for only $3.

his info is --

106 greene lane
summerville, sc

tel: 843.821.1514

does this mean that this single actually
does exist???

would love to have it!  (big sigh)  this
is definitely worth looking into, i feel.

i also saw where a guy named mike boyle
is offering the following lps for $6 a piece:

"skylarking" (w/ "dear god")
"oranges & lemons"  (2 lps)

...and for only $5 a piece, he's got these:

"go 2"
"5 senses"  (ep)
"the big express"

his info is --

po box 592
north bellmore, ny

no e-mail or phone no.

xtc fans unite!!  buy these things, okay?
spread the word!

xtc rule!!!

/Dan and Ginger Phipps <>

"Everywhere you look, you release parts of
 your senses."  (Jon Anderson)


Message-Id: <l03130300b45c5c008a83@[]>
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:39:15 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Re: Sacre Diablo

>>>I have had some good communication with Wes, other than that, every
>one either ignored my posts or sends the same old harassing emails that I
>have been trying to ignore.
>There there...mummy kiss it better. Honestly, I wouldn't take it personally!
>A large proportion of what appears on Chalkhills is "ignored" and no one has
>a divine right to be the centre of attention. Sometimes you have to earn
>people's interest by contributing something intriguing, funny or (in my
>case) stupid, rather than the somewhat banal posts you've sent in so far (no
>offence!). Also, since you appeared with both guns blazing we've been
>expecting something incendiary and controversial from you. Instead we get
>"ooh, anyone got any demos?" type stuff, which might raise a few responses
>in more barren times but thankfully the list is looking a little perkier at
>the moment.
>As for your request for demos & stuff - I'm sure there are numerous people
>here who would be willing to oblige, but don't be so impatient! Some of us
>have jobs and, bizarrely, better things to do, so you really can't expect an
>immediate and overwhelming response.

  I joined this list four years ago because of an interest in XTC(and
having newly discovered the Internet I thought- hey, I'll join some
mailing lists). At first I made the mistake of making
shoot-from-the-hip statements partly from wanting attention and partly
typing without thinking. Well, I got the attention, and when you get
attention from an ill-considered statement it usually isn't what you
wanted. These days I consider my responses a lot more carefully, but
not because I give a rat's ass what anyone thinks of what I have on my
mind(I don't), but because I want to make sure before I send something
else is this what I really want to say, and is this the hill I want to
die on? Usually it isn't. So these days I get "ignored" a lot more
than I used to, and I like it fine that way. I like a heated
intellectual discussion as much as anybody, but I try not to say
anything to anyone that I wouldn't say to their face at a party. I
find the most interesting people on this list have figured this out
and they say what they want to say and aren't trying to get attention,
they're just being themselves. By being themselves they get attention
and interest.

  There was one guy on another list I'm on who provides a cautionary
example, he would keep going on about the time he served in Vietnam
and had a few other idee fixes that he would keep coming back to that
had little to do with the subject of the list, and when others would
try to change the subject and bring it back on topic he would accuse
us of censoring him.  Eventually a few of us, myself included,
politely read him the riot act and informed him officially what the
subject of the list was, and if he didn't like that maybe he was on
the wrong list, and I couldn't resist observing I had several friends
who were veterans and that unlike him they knew their manners. Well, I
got the worst torrent of e-mail abuse I've ever received on a public
e-mail list from this guy as a result of that, beginning with him
accusing me of not knowing a single veteran and making it all up and
being a pinko-ass liberal(moi? I'm a libertarian myself!)and getting
steadily worse from there. Fortunately one of the other victims of his
abuse said "Well, as a matter of fact Mr _____, I'm a former marine,
and several others on this list have served in the armed forces as
well."  Haven't heard from the guy since. The point being, when
someone makes an idiot of themselves, kill them with reasonableness
and show them up. If it's an ill-considered moment from an otherwise
reasonable person, it'll blow over; a true bully and blowhard will
just slink away when embarassed.  So, Mr Diablo, I'll assume you want
to fit in; a word to the wise, just don't try to get a rise out of
anybody, it doesn't work. If you want to talk, just talk, that's what
we're here for, and if nobody responds, you're not being ignored, we
just couldn't think of something equally brilliant to say in response,
or maybe we're just being polite.

Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at

"A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has
10 GREAT laws.  A Good law protects me from you.  Laws against murder,
theft, assault and the like are good laws.  A Poor law attempts to
protect me from myself." - Unknown


Message-ID: <005a01bf3446$74e6c8a0$3afda68e@stimobileone>
From: "Greg Abrams" <>
Subject: Bird Nut
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:32:58 -0500

Bird Nut

So I'm eatin' the bird
Eatin' the bird
Well I've got to have a napkin
A man must wear a bib to keep him clean

Stuffing my face
Stuffing my face
Got to have a bit of gravy
I stain my clothing
But the wife don't complain

Some people say
That I'm a slob and a half
Or just a cranberry fool
Some day they'll see
Til then I'll throw you a drumstick
Cause white meat's
The stuff for me

So I'm raiding the fridge
Raiding the fridge
Got to have a little sandwich
Just steal a little bit
>From off of the rack

Some people say
That I'm a slob and  half
Or just a cranberry fool
Some day they'll see
Til then I'll throw you a drumstick
Cause white meat's
The stuff for me

So I'm eatin' the bird
Eatin' the bird
Well I've got to have a napkin
A man must wear a bib
To keep him clean
Keep him clean
Yeah, to keep him clean

Greg Abrams


Message-ID: <>
From: "Amanda Owens" <>
Subject: Snapple Penis
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:42:55 CST

Snapping out of delurk mode for just a moment.......

>You And The Clouds	XTC
>u + da clowdz		David Oh

Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!

>We're All Light		XTC
>You're All C*nts	Dom Lawson

Oh I'm sure Andy would love to hear that one.

>Standing In For Joe	XTC
>Andy's On My Phone	Mitch Freidman


>Church of Women 	XTC
>Church of Dave		Amanda Owens

Ahhhh.....yes indeedydoo! BTW-Anyone interested, there's a very cute
picture of Dave and Barry up on Guitargonauts. Dave's wearing a Cartman
shirt I gave him for...Christmas, I think...either that or his

>I'm The Man Who 	XTC
>Murdered Love
>I'm The Man Who		John Relph
>Killed This Thread

And you'd better not do it, Relph!!!!!

Tis all for now,
Amanda C. Owens
"Hey....I beeped....and they felt me up with that little thing, it was
good!"-AJ McLean
XTC song of the day-Harvest Festival
non-XTC song-I Saw the Light-Lori Carson


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:57:53 EST
Subject: Wes Responds to Wes

In the last issue of Chalkhills, Wes Hanks wrote:

>While everyone else in school (1980) was listening to Pink Floyd's "The
>Wall", (I) listened non-stop to "London Calling".

And Wes Wilson thus responds:

I actually had both RECORDS.

And I listened to "London Calling" far more than I did "The Wall." I felt
the latter was boring, and as a poor college student wished I had spent my
money on something else.

Oh shit! Why did I ever sell all of the cool vinyl I owned? I remember
now.  It was to pay for the final semesters of state college. Gawddamnit!
Thus, on vinyl I no longer have any Clash. Or Elvis
Costello. Pistols. Vibrators.  Richard Hell and the Voidoids.

(He lets out a sigh as he wonders where the years have gone, and lights a
cigarette in his dimly lit room.) I had it all. I once had The Jam's "This
is The Modern World" on vinyl. I once had a great mod album called "The
Low Numbers." I'll never hear that great track from that album called "The
Prom Bombed." I had a lot of punk/new wave stuff, on colored vinyl. All
gone, all sold, except for some 7'' (including such gems as "Ca Plane Pour
Moi" by Plastic Bertrand and "Dreaming" by Blondie. All in wonderfully
imperfect, substandard vinyl, like the kind you'd use to make black pocket
combs). I see that some of these albums have been re-released. But the
moment has passed.

So, as I climb the stairs of the subway toward the light, I see the
leather-jacketed punks, some of whom remind me of friends I used to have
in college. And I want to say something to them sometime. "Et tu, Sid and

But I won't rock no boats.



Message-Id: <v03007800b45e14b38317@[]>
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:35:38 -0500
From: Mitch Friedman <>
Subject: Meet Me on the Other Side


It's that time of the month/year/decade/century again. I'd like to
announce the release of "Meet Me on the Other Side" -- a cd compiling
songs written specifically for and about the new millennium. It's compiled
by Toby Thomas (who I believe may be Chalkhillian) and features songs in a
variety of styles and genres.  Everything from rock to pop to dreamy
instrumentals and everything in between. Fellow Chalkhillbillies Jim
Smart, Becki di Gregorio and yours truly are all represented on the disc.
Take a gander over to and check it out.  You can
also hear my song "When I Was Your Age" on and
Jim Smart's title track "The Other Side" at



p.s. Totally off the subject, I highly recommend the new film "Being John
Malkovich". It's unusual, very creative and funny . . . much like XTC.


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:19:53 +1000
Subject: Dobbyn Is My Horse's Name

>>From: Sebastien Maury 02 9950 3315 <>
>>Subject: Nihon shuffle

>>Dave Dobbyn. Now there's a name to conjure with (OK, OK Mr P Dant, "with
>>which to conjure"). <snip> I now own 3 albums and
>>recommend them (Lament for the Numb and Twist are the other 2) with most
>>of my heart (keeping something for myself for that blood pumping function
>>it seems to perform so well)

I haven't heard any of Dave Dobbyn's solo stuff (aside from "Slice Of
Heaven", of course), but DD Smash is also to be recommended. Find a copy of
"The Optimist" - in Australia, at least, Mushroom Records have re-issued
this for about $A10 on CD.

>>From: travis schulz <>
>>Subject: Know It Sounds Weird...

>>On a better topic.....1999 is almost
>>done, and I wouldn't mind seeing everybody's top ten
>>list of favorite albums of 1999.

Sweet Lord, no! You said the L-word!!!

Screw it - since you've asked (and this *is* in order) :

1.   "Mule Variations" - Tom Waits
2.   "Mock Tudor" - Richard Thompson
3.   "Bellavista Terrace" - The Go-Betweens (okay, it's a best-of.....)
4.   "Apple Venus, Volume 1" - XTC
5.   "The Unauthorised Biography Of Reinhold Messner" - Ben Folds Five
6.   "The Long Weekend" - Chris Wilson (technically late 1998, but there
you are)
7.   "Utopia Parkway" - Fountains Of Wayne
8.   "Testing Friends (demo)" - fellow Auschalker Chris Chapman
9.   "Smoke" - Paul Kelly
10.  "Art" - Regurgitator

>>From: "John  Boudreau" <>
>>Subject: Slept through Swindon ?

>>Now , how can any self-respecting XTC fan go all the to England , and
>>actually pass through Swindon without stopping for a look ' round ? I ask
>>you !

While I was in England in September/October, I went to Swindon. Everything
was shut, but I *did* get a photo of Andy's house - I would have taken two,
but he came outside and told me to piss off.

Okay, that last bit didn't actually happen.....

>>Subject: Unplugged

>>I saw the Mojo article about XTC earlier in the year, and it appeared
>>to have a photograph of XTC on an Unplugged stage.  Have they ever
>>appeared on Unplugged?  If so, what did they play, and - moreover -
>>can I get hold of a bootleg copy?

I think that would have been during their Oranges & Lemons radio tour. As
for the exact venue where that photo was taken......Mark? Mitch?

>>From: Lawson Dominic <>
>>Subject: Machine Dom Etiquette

>> Now
>>I live in Brighton, as does Captain Sensible. Spooky.

Brighton Beach was one of many highlights of my trip (that and the whacking
great Taj Mahal ripoff in the town centre - I actually drove straight past
it the first time, 'cause I was trying to find my way to the railway
station and was silly enough to be following the signs that said 'Railway
Station'). While I was there, I should have been looking out for people who
could fit the description "stinky longhair" - if only I'd known.....



Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:56:00 +1100 (EST)
From: Mud Shark <>
Subject: Chirpy Charlie & The Oubliette That Ate Noo Yawk

Submitted for your consideration : the crazed
ramblings of a diseased mind.....

> From: "David Seddon" <>
> Subject: Song of the Millennium
> What an amazing list we have being put forward in
> the media about this:
> Come on you voters...get real !
> Me, I'm going for Lily the Pink (second choice,
> Rawhide).

Have you forgotten "Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep"? For
goodness' sakes, it was the defining moment of a

> I'd love to see the Queen bringing in the next
> Millennium with that playing
> in the background!

Or how about the Sex Pistols' "God Save The Queen"?

> From: Satanas Diablo <>
> Subject: Charlie Buck.
> Stop emailing me
> with the drama and get on with your lives.  This
> only aplies to the
> assholes emailing me (bad stuff!) and the people
> pretentding to be
> other people.

This is probably as good a time as any to make a
confession : I'm actually Lord Lucan, and not a mud
shark at all. I'm sorry if anyone was deceived by my
cunning ruse - I hereby banish myself from the list
until such time as I can get myself officially
declared alive again so I can get my stuff back.

> Subject: Rasberry Cremes
> From: "Diamond" <>
> On another note, tonight is my bands First GIG!!! In
> case you don't know,
> my band is called
> Leviathan Chihuahua <snip>
> NEXT, a song of mine called In Your Oubliette
> (that's Ooo, Bleee, ette)

Now *there's* a word I never thought I'd see on a
music mailing list (unless Chris de Burgh was under
discussion - I'm sure they would have had at least one
oubliette in those castles he sang about. It's just a
shame he didn't get locked in one).

> P.S. Yes, that IS how I spell Rasberry in my
> dictionary, so there,
> Plplplpppp!!!

Just checking (happy birthday, by the way).

MS (aka Lord Lucan, Greg Norman, that flabby bastard,

"I rail against God because I was told to stop eating paste in Sunday
school" - P.J.O'Rourke


From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:21:09 +0100
Subject: Sleepless In Swindon
Message-Id: <>

Dear Chalkers,

> > Now , how can any self-respecting XTC fan go all the to England ,
> > and actually pass through Swindon without stopping for a look '
> > round ? I ask you !
you should have least paid a visit to old Horsey in Uffington, an
truly awesome sight and site for everybody, not just the XTC-minded

> Well, it _is_ Swindon, after all...
Heresy, go wash your mouth with carbolic soap, you.. you... you

Imagine yourself asleep in a car passing through Swindon.
You get stuck in traffic and Andy walks by on the sidewalk, casting a
curious glance at a guy who is snoring loudly in the backseat of a
car. Your car. By the time your driver has said: "Hey man, quick!
Look, there's that XTC dude you are always on about" Andy has
already passed a corner, out of sight.

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse


Message-ID: <Xgy$>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 01:04:53 +0000
From: Ashley Powell <>
Subject: Martin Newell / Cleaners from Venus releases

Jarmusic has just released the latest cassette-to-CD release, "In the
Golden Autumn". A limited number are available. "Blow Away Your
Troubles" will follow shortly. Also, Martin will be releasing a new book
in December.

For more details:

to buy this or any other Newell/Cleaners release:
Ashley Powell


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:24:44 EST
Subject: X-Mas time

 "Thanks for Christmas " is now on rotation at all Home Depots.
    If you get a chance, watch the Weird Al concert on VH1. He does an
outstanding song about Jerry Springer done to the tune of  "One Week" from
Bare Naked Ladies. Besides his creative writing,his band is very tight. An
excellent show.
  That'll do Pig, Roger


Message-ID: <>
From: "Megan Heller" <>
Subject: speaking of off-topic...
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:04:13 CST

okay, okay, *far* be it from me to complain about off-topic, but that really
probably isn't what I'm doing...

Satanas Diablo spaketh the word of the righteous--
>Note about thanksgiving.  Its a holiday that cellebrates the murder of the
>turks.  The concept of white people and indians sitting eating at a picnic
>table is about as true as the story that Columbus discovered Amerikkka.
>Also, the slaughter of Turkey's is SO bad this time of year.  I will
>celebrate the holiday (as having dinner with the in-laws) but I dont
>cellebrate the meaning nor do I slaughter animals.  No offence to non
>vegetarians out there, but I mean, if I were to come on here and it was my
>culture to eat dogs (I have Philipeno friends who actually do eat dogs,
>though most dont!)  I would have TONS of people saying I was disgusting
>and would put me down for eating dogs, so, I have just as much right to
>comment about Turkey.

Please...don't.  Don't assume my tastes.  Don't assume that I like being
preached to.  Don't assume that I'm dull and that I haven't thought about
the arguments you make.

Just don't.

(Sorry about this-- I'm touchy about proselytizing of any kind, whether it
regards my faith, my eating habits, anything, even when on issues I agree
with, and especially in a forum where it does not belong and was not asked

hm, I want to lighten this up a bit (I hate being serious on here, it seems
so ridiculous...)--

when I was 12 I had a dream that Andy Partridge and I went to Club MTV.
Then he shrunk down to about a foot tall and got into a large aquarium and
waved at me from the inside.


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:38:43 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: Re: apology and declaration

Subject: apology and declaration
I feel like a jerk. I don't want to fight! I was snippy in my last
post to DavidOh. I hate being snippy! DavidOh, I'm sorry, man. There's
just a simple miscommunication going on, and I'll bet it's my
fault. Please accept my apology for being so reactionary. I feel like
being a jerk here, in Chalkhills, is kind of like being a jerk in
i wasn't apportioning blame, i was simply stating that, sometimes, when we
say something in a textual forum such as this, it can be difficult to
understand the context in which it was intended. a little clarity is all it

i don't want to fight either (_way_ too much of that in here lately!), i
don't think you're a jerk, your apology is accepted (although, really,
unnecessary), so now let's move on and enjoy the music of xtc. ok?

 peace & xtc,



Message-ID: <006d01bf34c4$ce988680$7c5791d2@johnboud>
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: ICOH
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:08:48 +0900

Maggie Jungworth wrote re: ICOH :

>While I'm still learning everybodys personalities/preferences here, I'm
>guessing maybe John in Japan would like it while Dom would hate it, Molly
>might like it...

Your guess was correct , Maggie . ICOH is one of my fave tracks on AV1 .


Message-ID: <389499287.943261474752.JavaMail.root@web20.pub01>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:04:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Satanas Diablo <>
Subject: To turk or not to turk: Truth Revealed

You wronte:
" There you go again " , Satanas . Thanksgiving is a public celebration in
acknowledgment of divine favor ; not a " holiday that celebrates the murder
of turks ( turkeys ) " .

And I say:
I did not say turkeys, I said TURKS!  Learn some history, then come back
with an intellegent response.

You wronte:
Now I know the word divine is not in your vocabulary

And I say:
Oh, so now your god, as you have the ability to say what is and is not in my
vocabulary?  Not very Christian of you!

You wrote:
as you did with your little " joke " re: Christians killing you because of
your alias - your apparent ignorance .

And I say:
That was Andy's Comment from the book Song Stories, as I have said this 5
times before!  I was making a joke in reference to the book!!!  Who are the
people that bomb abortion clinics anyway?  Never once heard of an athiest
doing that!!!

You wrote:
Other than for use as food , a turkey has absolutely no reason for existence
on this planet

And I say:
You are right!  That is why man should nor reproduce turkeys for mans own
selfish impulses!

You wrote:
They were put on this earth to be eaten by us - the smartest
monkeys .

And I say:
Oh, so your God now?  You determin who is the "smartest Monkey?"  How are
you mesuring this data?

You wrote:
You said Thanksgiving was " a holiday that celebrates the murder of turks "
, and you " celebrate the holiday " with your in-laws ???

And I say:
Millions of people cellebrate Xmas though they are not Christians! (in
reality, Xmas is a Pegan holiday actually).  I cellebrate eating a table
with family, not the meaning!

You wrote:

I hope your Philippino friends are in the Philippines and not America !
Domestic pets should not be on anyone's menu in the land of plenty.

And I say:
No, they live in the US, and they have every right as you to eat what they
eat!  Its completly legal as long as its in their culture!  Its also legal
to sacrifice animals for spiritaul rituals!  So, how come all of a sudden
its wrong they eat dogs but its ok to eat other animals?!  Many people have
pigs as pets, so whats wrong with eating them?  Or horses, or rabbits?  Your
argument is whats called a "Slippery Slope"

You wrote:
>there is no way it is going to taste just like turkey ( and a good thing
! ) .

And I say:
Its still good, and its better on the environment and our bodies!
How much land and water is waisted on Live Stock?  Really, reseach this and
you will be quite suprised to learn the statistics.  Dont take my word for
it, see for your self.  You do know how to do reserch dont you?

And You so gracefully wrote:
What is a vegetarian ( you alluded to the fact you are a vegetarian when you
said " no offence to non-vegetarians out there ... " ) doing sampling the
culinary delights of Jack InThe Box and Taco Bell ?

And I say:
Just because I am vegetarian, does not mean I was my whole life.  If you
would like to know, I became vegetarian after working at my college at a
burger place.  So, I saw what goes on and it disgusted me.

In good Christian Faith and Spirit, while walking in the likes of Jesus you
so religiously said:

Satanas , you really do ASK for it . Even your friend Charlie Buck is
dis-owning you :

And I say:
Wow, that was fair, bring up that in an argument!  If it were true, I would
really be hurt (is that how Christians are supposed to treat others?) But
since its not, and Malcolm is my closest friend and employee, I means

Lastly I say:
Seek your argument furthur.  If your a Christian, than act like it.  When I
was a Christian (yes I ate meat and was even a Christian!) I was really a
Christian.  I did not try to put people down while holding up my belief in
god.  Its people like you though that I must thank really.  Its because of
you I was enlightened to see the truth.  Thanks!


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