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Subject: Chalkhills Digest #5-314

         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 314

                Thursday, 18 November 1999

Today's Topics:

                        food songs
                      Nihon shuffle
                 Know It Sounds Weird...
                       Re: Play One
                the Straight Dope on wicca
         Stuart Adamson Was A Big C*nt, Remember?
                  'Frost Circus' on PBS
                      Andy's tin ear
                    a few other tunes
                         Tina W.
                 Andy Must Have a Twin :)
                Re: Power of Suggestion II
          We Are Experiencing Hormonal Imbalance
                 Slept through Swindon ?
                  Machine Dom Etiquette
                       Jock's Trap


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:05:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: food songs

I love all the Thanksgiving song postings. Kevin
Diamond, yours are my favorite so far!
I do hope someone is going to take it upon themselves
to compile them all...

re: carmen or Rachmaninov:

I somehow feel better knowing that Partsy borrowed
from Rachmaninov rather than Eric Carmen. Maybe "I
don't Wanne Be Here' is Rachmaninov with a hard on...


Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:59:16 +1100
From: Sebastien Maury 02 9950 3315 <>
Subject: Nihon shuffle
Message-id: <E1713IET3GB5F*/R=A1/R=ABCNET/U=MAURYS6G/@MHS>

Damn, none of my evil schemes for snaffling a Japanese import of Homespun
have come to aught as yet...but I feel that while there's a CD out there
with Colin chatting about his stuff ( I already have the other two chats
on CD single...), then I must have it and hang the expense....but hang on
a minute, local CD shops are quoting me $70 ("well sir you know the dollar
is really weak at the moment compared with the yen" but Christ aren't they
supposed to be in recession or something) and to be brutally frank, that's
more than I'm prepared to pay. By quite a long shot.

Still all the positives about it have made me keep my operatives in the
field out and looking.

A quick question. I am by nature rather perverse and tend to appreciate
alternative takes on classic songs (hence my acceptance of Tall Tales and
True's cover of the Doors' Peace Frog and my chuckling delight in the
disturbing White Music version of All Along). I've played it for quite a
number of non-fans and most everyone seems to hate it. Anyone else have
any luck? (that was a quick question???) I'm rather partial to the
Transgender Flask version as well...

Dave Dobbyn. Now there's a name to conjure with (OK, OK Mr P Dant, "with
which to conjure"). I'm not sure I've ever seen his name mentioned between
these screens, at least not in the few years I've been reading.  Dave
Dobbyn. There he is again! Incredible...and I was just talking about him!
In any case he's most (in) famous in some circles for a little ditty
called "Slice of Heaven" in 1987 (fer crissakes it's 12 years old. Give
the man a break) which was overplayed and not terribly interesting after
the 407th time.  Still, he's one of NZ's treasures and had a superlative
album out last year called the Islander (a reference to his discovering
his roots). I was lucky enough to see him play 2 sets at a recent Womad
festival and he's a crack live performer too with a strong voice, fine
pianist and tasteful if unspectacular guitarist. The songs fall undeniably
on the pop side of the business but his distinctive voice and choice of
melody/harmony echo certain other elements of the music biz I like so much
(cue animal references-finn and partridge). I now own 3 albums and
recommend them (Lament for the Numb and Twist are the other 2) with most
of my heart (keeping something for myself for that blood pumping function
it seems to perform so well)

Duffy: can anyone explain why I like his solo stuff, his co-written stuff
(eg Stunt by BNL) but Lilac Time's 3 albums do very close to sweet FA for
me?? It's a true quandary which I'd like to remedy. Maybe I disfigured a
folk singer in a former existence or something.

Um, people are *surprised* that there exist people in the world (and on
this list too...shhh...don't tell anyone) who DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT
MOTOR RACING?  Which is not to say the death of a person, whoever they may
be, is to be sneered at. But I can guarantee Dunks was not sneering
(knowing him as I do), it was a simple reaction to what he felt was an
irrelevance. And yes, there are many cross-pollinating links on this list
and not all of them are interesting. In fact some of them suck. There are
people reading -this- saying something along those lines. But I'm damned
if we're a)going to limit content b) refrain from pointing out when
someone's being as fascinating as an Ozu film (that one's for you
Dunks!). I mean I found the lists of (yawn) gear a tad dullish and keyed
down. Dunks probably should've done the same, but judging by the reaction
to gear posts...and more gear posts...and a couple more...given that this
does touch on music related issues-funnily enough-people are generally
more interested in it than say, fishing (god), God (jesus), cars or
baseball. Still go ahead and say what you will. I merely point out
probable interest here.

Gary Hooper: thanks for your stellar input into proceedings. Your wit is
matched only by your intelligence and capacity for irony. I look forward
to many more diatribes. Still I'd hate to limit conversation. But I happen
to like Dom's schtick. And if you don't well there's really not a lot you
can do about it.

Oh dear, this e-mail started out so pleasantly. I think the Fountains of
Wayne are making me feisty.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:17:23 -0800 (PST)
From: travis schulz <>
Subject: Know It Sounds Weird...

What a bad dream I had about XTC. Andy was on the
Dinah Shore show, and when he was introduced, this
monterized version of Andy came out- some creature
wearing Andy's brown cap and coat. He got angry with
Dinah's questions, pulled out his eyeballs and threw
them at her. I never dreamt anything XTC until I read
other people's XTC dreams here- I think I regret
reading those now!
                  On a better topic.....1999 is almost
done, and I wouldn't mind seeing everybody's top ten
list of favorite albums of 1999.  With the exception
of AV1 and Homespun, I didn't buy any new albums this
year! Old stuff from Elvis Costello, Martin Newell and
John Lee Hooker and etc. is the kind of record buying
year I had.  Ben Folds and Jason Falkner had ones I
will get soon however. Robyn Hitchcock too.  Later.


Message-Id: <l03130300b4584e229fe7@[]>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:22:06 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Re: Play One

>I have a play on in South London for one night only next Thursday 18th
>and need ideas about which XTC track I should have playing as the
>audience arrives and leaves. My director has said I can play one so who
>am I to ignore that opportunity?
>I just can't think what would be suitable.

  I'd go with "Yacht Dance," for some reason, possibly because the music's
so pretty and the lyrics are so poetic and inscrutable.

Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at

"A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has 10
GREAT laws.  A Good law protects me from you.  Laws against murder, theft,
assault and the like are good laws.  A Poor law attempts to protect me
from myself." - Unknown


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:17:33 EST
Subject: the Straight Dope on wicca

Hi everyone,

The Thanksgiving-themed mock lyrics are so cute, I'm
already looking forward to a big batch of X-mas-and-
Hanukkah-themed lyrics...

Meanwhile, the inestimable Cecil Adams has served up
the skinny on the wicca phenomenon:

Orbiting elliptically around all things XTC,


Message-ID: <>
From: Lawson Dominic <>
Subject: Stuart Adamson Was A Big C*nt, Remember?
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:31:57 -0000

....and before that, he was in The Skids.

>>writing imbued with personality, that strives to
do more than simply present information--holds the inherent risk, when it
fails, of appearing to be about the  writer exlusively and not at all about
the subject being written about. Dom and Harrison occasionally fall from
that tightrope, as do we all, but that's a small price to pay for
maintaining the health of this incredibly lively, erudite forum we allshare.

Hear hear. I'm with you, you lovely man. Yes, I often talk a load of
bollocks but unlike certain people I regularly take the piss out of myself,
not just other people. It's the idea that somehow I (and this applies to
Harrison and others as well) am trying to score points by being nasty, or by
waving my ego in the air like a surrogate tadger, when in fact all I'm doing
is writing stuff that I think is quite funny. Most of it is relevant,
believe it or not, to this forum and the things we discuss and, as the man
says, the occasional faux pas should not be a green light to the Seriousness
Police to start pontificating about how we should all just love each other,
man, and so on. There's enough dull-but-worthy bilge spouted on other
chatlists.....somehow Chalkhills transcends all that, which is precisely why
I read it and participate when, in truth, there are many bands that I like
just as much as, if not more than, XTC. Honestly, check out a couple of
Metal chatlists and you'll see what I mean! I need you people for my

>>since there is far
too much phony niceness in the world and so it's kind of a relief to run
across phony misanthropy once in a while.

Exactly. Apart from the obvious fact that my more stroppy posts are
obviously tongue-in-cheek - for a start, why would I want to piss you all
off? - it needs restating that a lot of people actually enjoy a bit of
gratuitous outrage and belligerence. Anyone who has ever laughed at Monty
Python should see the value in that. Obviously I'm not that funny, and I
wouldn't claim to be, but then judging by the reactions I get I'm clearly
doing something right and some people are being entertained, in much the
same way as Harrison's posts, although occasionally bewildering, are not
designed to make anyone else feel stupid but are a genuine expression of his
scary, twisted mind (he eats children you know.......) and therefore are far
more believable and sincere than a lot of this "I dreamt about XTC last
night" bollocks. Yes, I know the dreams are "real", before anyone pisses
their pants, but as with my posts it makes sense to not take them too (or at
all) seriously. Or something.

Oh, and please leave Mr Hooper alone. I can fight my own battles - in fact,
it's a hobby! - and off-list flaming is a bit lame (as I have discovered on
numerous occasions.......that "delete" button is getting worn out!). Anyway,
the nurses have upped his medication until he calms down....

list has been funny, annoying, interesting, intelligent, idiotic,
useless, and invaluable.  It keeps us guessing, and that's why I'm still

Exactly - well said. Quite why this has to be pointed out time and time
again is anyone's guess, but if you find me or anyone else objectionable in
some way, DON'T READ THE POSTS!!! SCROLL THE F*CK DOWN!!!!! I won't pretend
that I'm not occasionally annoyed by some of the oh-so-worthy outbursts that
appear on Chalkhills from time to time, but why get mad? Get even or get
silly, that's my motto. Silly is best.

>>I suppose it comes down to
songs like "The Loving." While we may chose to hate things within our
society, we're still supposed to try to love the people.

It pains me to admit it, but I agree with William on this one. Of course
sport doesn't suck and, of course, greedy people do. But in a broader sense
this "loving" thing is relevant to Chalkhills in should be
taken as read that we all love XTC and are therefore a "community" of sorts,
however keen you might be to stove my head in with a rusty spanner, and so
it should also be assumed that despite our many differences, no one on the
list is trying to make anyone else miserable or spoil anyone else's fun.
It's incredibly arrogant to assume that I'm an arsehole just because I'm not
scared to be a bit over-the-top and hyperbolous in my defence of certain
things. Nor is it reasonable to berate me (or anyone else) for swearing or
being disparaging about someone else's taste in music (or
whatever).......fight back, by all means, but don't fall into the trap of
taking yourself too seriously because I don't, Harrison doesn't, "Barking"
Bob Crain doesn't, Ms Heller doesn't and nor, I suspect, do Andy or Colin
(although they'd clearly be scared shitless by the level of devotion on
display....I bet they don't have discussions about alternate track listings
on import CDs when they're down the Kebab & Calculator of an evening!!!).

>>And I don't mean to make light of your discomfort at the word "cunt," but
you should bear in mind that the word is less of a taboo in British slang
than in American

I, on the other hand, do mean to make light of your discomfort at the word
"cunt". It's a word. Get over it. You ****.
He's right though, it's a perfectly normal term of abuse, particularly (I
suspect) among "young males" (whatever that means) in the UK. Why, only last
night Lodger No.1 called me a cunt for using all the hot water. He was
right, it was a cunty thing to do. But I'm the landlord, so tough shit

Incidentally, I'm writing some sleevenotes for an Earache Records triple-CD
compilation thing (called "Immortalised"), due for release early next year
and I've managed to get a mention for XTC in there! Coolio. Basically one of
Earache's bands, Misery Loves Co. (a Swedish Industrial/Metal type thing),
covered "Complicated Game" on their second album, so I have used this fact
as an example of the record label's open-minded attitude, and the broad
musical church they preside over. Obviously the real reason is that I wanted
to plug the band (and you never know, there might be a couple of Morbid
Angel fans who suddenly find themselves in need of a quality pop fix!),
albeit in a very minor way. Just thought I'd mention it!

I hereby predict a victory for England at Wembley tonight. COME ON


Dom "You always were a headache and you always were a bore" Lawson.


Message-ID: <>
From: Eric Brittingham <>
Subject: 'Frost Circus' on PBS
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:45:51 -0500

I thought I would pass along this little tidbit.  (Hey, Brit-speakers!  Is
this what you guys call 'trainspotting'?)

I was watching a special on PBS (the US public broadcasting system) called
New York: A Documentary Film.  They used Frost Circus as the background
music for a scene where images of late-ninetenth century NYC architecture
were shown while a poem by Walt Whitman was read in a voice-over.

I thought, that's a pretty obscure little piece of incidental music.  I
wondered how the music editor of the film came into contact with the song.

Anyway, just thought if anybody would care, it would be some the folks on
this list.


Message-Id: <s832acf6.029@OAG.STATE.TX.US>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:26:03 -0600
From: "Steve Oleson" <Steve.Oleson@OAG.STATE.TX.US>
Subject: Andy's tin ear

Yellow, all!

In C-hills 5-311,  Dan "Col Bunt" Wiencek said (regarding Andy's belief
that Greenman sounds more Celtic than Eastern)
"I wouldn't berate myself for "misunderstanding" Andy; artists aren't
always right about their own work, and just because Greenman reminded Andy
of pagan rites (snip) doesn't mean that's where the song actually comes
from, formally speaking."

Sounds like HERESY, but I have to agree with Dan.

I was surprised, while reading Song Stories, to hear Andy describe Funk Pop
a Roll as "...very Tamla/Motown." It doesnt sound a thing like that to me!

Thank god for confusion! These are excellent examples that illustrate how
beneficial the cross-pollination of American and British music has been.

The Beatles, and Cream,  heard Muddy Waters, and Little Richard, and
emulated them, creating: She's a Woman, and Sunshine of your
Love. Americans heard these (and many others) and created: "You're gonna
Miss Me (13th fl Elevators), and Purple Haze (Hendrix) , and on and on and
on... to this day. XTC, of course have used the Beatles, Beach Boys et al
for inspiration, and they in turn, have been a wonderful inspiration to
bands on both shores.

With so many benefits to Anglo/American cultural cross-pollination, it
seems that a few ruffled feathers from the use of the word cunt, seems a
small price to pay! ;-)

Steve "Hands Across the Water" Oleson
Austin, TX


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:01:27 EST
Subject: a few other tunes

While waiting for AV2, I've been sampling a few other discs, my favorite
I'll mention here:

Blur, 13 - I actually got this album a few months ago and dismissed it out
of hand because it was so seemingly tuneless and unfocused. In fact,
however, upon listening to the entire album, it's actually a very
interesting work, and quite cohesive in a very unusual way. Plus "Coffee
and TV" is a fabulous and cool single, one of my favorite of the year.

Sting, Brand New Day - The album is spotty, but for me the price is worth
it just for the title track, one of my favorites of the year. It also has
about four other tracks that almost come as close in my opinion.

Richard Warner, Spirit of the Tao Te Ching - Quiet, New Age music, great
for work, mellow and quiet activity.

Have a great one, Will


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:25:45 EST
Subject: Tina W.

Okay, I'm behind again. But I couldn't let this pass without comment:

> From: Brown <>
> and speaking of The Talking Heads.. to the coquettish Melissa 'who looks
> like Tina Weymouth', I say la-tee-da, young missy!  People are always
> telling ME I look like Margaret Thatcher..but you don't hear ME bragging
> about it...SHEESH...

I think you'll find I actually said people USED TO tell me I looked like
Tina Weymouth. That was, like, 15 years ago. The only current comparison I
can come up with is to the cardigan queen Pauline Fowler of Eastenders. My
only consolation is that my light blond hair is still _naturally_
Pauline's color.  Okay, so that was bragging, but what're ya gonna do?
It's all I have to brag about.  That and my exquisite taste in music.

How bout that XTC?

--Melissa "Ground floor: perfumery, stationery and leather goods" Reaves


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:40:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Molly Fanton <>
Subject: Andy Must Have a Twin :)

Andy must have a twin living here in Buffalo, because
I sat next to him on the bus today.  I got on the bus
to take me to my job training course, and I had to do
a double take, because the guy next to me looked
exactly like Andy.  After I got off the bus, I started
to laugh.  That would be really weird for him to take
the Buffalo Metro.  If that was really Andy I would
have stayed on the bus and talked to him, or maybe I
would have fainted. :)


Fave XTC Song Right Now: "Harvest Festival"

Check Out My Craig Ferguson Tribute Page:
Molly's Page


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:43:59 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: Re: Power of Suggestion II

>David Oh asked "are you suggesting that we've made up our dreams about xtc
>just for the fun of it?
>No, I wasn't suggesting any such thing. And, I didn't make up my dream to
>entertain anyone either. I think the problem is when I said that I went
home and >"made" a dream, instead of the standard "had" a dream...
...Anyway, I wasn't >trying to belittle anyone's dream, and I'm fairly
shocked that an innocent dream >about all of us swimming like seals in the
ocean by the cliffs wearing matching >clothes would actually offend anyone.
* --------------------------------------------------------
i wasn't offended, but, to me, the way you worded it, sounded like you were
mocking those of us who had dreams. yes, the problem was when you used
"made" instead of "had". i now understand what you were trying to say.

please accept my apology for my misinterpretation of your miscommunication.

it just shows-to-go-you, it's all in the power of (mis)communication.

 peace & xtc,



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:47:25 -0700
From: "May O'Mahoney" <>
Subject: We Are Experiencing Hormonal Imbalance

OOOOOHH!  I LIKE this Chalkhillian display of PMS - It's kind of like in
"Fight Club"  when Brad and Ed walk away satisfied from beating the shit
out of eachother.  HAVE NO FEAR CHALKIES - A good devilish (bloodless,
thank God) debate, argument, pissing contest is JUST what we need

Come on!  Who's going to throw the next punch!?!  Haaaarrrriiisssooonn!
Stop playing with the pups and come on into the ring!

Brian Whitman wrote:

(RE:  Andy's Remarks on electronic music.)

"This from the guy who made "Procession Towards Learning Land"? Humph,
I'm insulted."

I wouldn't be too insulted by this statement because, in reality,
regardless of whether you like and/or create electronic music - it
really isn't the same as collaborating with other musicicans on live


One night my drummer boyfriend, his guitarist and I got to drinking and
hours later switched on a Roland 505 AKA the Groove Box and starting
running pre-programs and tweaking them.  Let's just say that we all
looked like @%@%'in geniuses - randomly punching buttons to create
"lush" walls of sound.

(A sober bystander, by the way, said it sounded 'rad' - whether he was
pulling our leg or not remains a mystery -as does much of that night.)

And if you're wondering, I LIKE a lot of ambient and techno music.

One of the greatest celebrations of electronic music I've seen this year
was the documentary "Modulations".  Good stuff.

Ciao Babes.


You're all C(bleeep)nts and Sl(bleeep)ty, C(Bleep)cksucking


Message-ID: <005d01bf319d$6e880e20$6b5791d2@p13s574p>
From: "John  Boudreau" <>
Subject: Slept through Swindon ?
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:13:19 +0900

In his post about a recent trip to England , Herne wrote :

>Finally...Swindon.  To be honest...I slept through it.

Now , how can any self-respecting XTC fan go all the to England , and
actually pass through Swindon without stopping for a look ' round ? I ask
you !

John in Sushiland


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:19:00 +0000
Subject: Unplugged

I submitted a question to your veritable electronic organ some weeks
back, and to date there has been no reply.  If I can't get an answer
here, I'm unlikely to elsewhere.  For those who did not see it first
time. . .

I saw the Mojo article about XTC earlier in the year, and it appeared
to have a photograph of XTC on an Unplugged stage.  Have they ever
appeared on Unplugged?  If so, what did they play, and - moreover -
can I get hold of a bootleg copy?

Yours in torment

Dave Wilson

Nottingham, England


Message-ID: <>
From: Lawson Dominic <>
Subject: Machine Dom Etiquette
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:24:49 -0000

>>I have had some good communication with Wes, other than that, every
one either ignored my posts or sends the same old harassing emails that I
have been trying to ignore.

There there...mummy kiss it better. Honestly, I wouldn't take it personally!
A large proportion of what appears on Chalkhills is "ignored" and no one has
a divine right to be the centre of attention. Sometimes you have to earn
people's interest by contributing something intriguing, funny or (in my
case) stupid, rather than the somewhat banal posts you've sent in so far (no
offence!). Also, since you appeared with both guns blazing we've been
expecting something incendiary and controversial from you. Instead we get
"ooh, anyone got any demos?" type stuff, which might raise a few responses
in more barren times but thankfully the list is looking a little perkier at
the moment.

As for your request for demos & stuff - I'm sure there are numerous people
here who would be willing to oblige, but don't be so impatient! Some of us
have jobs and, bizarrely, better things to do, so you really can't expect an
immediate and overwhelming response.

But on a lighter note, it sounds like Ken had a good time over here in our
little country. Good on yer my son, especially for using the word "Blighty".

>>Why do the pubs close so damn early?  Why can't I get a drink after 11?

Because you're foreign. Normally we drink all night (and all day) but as
soon as we see or hear anyone from elsewhere, the cunning artifice we call
"licensing hours" comes into play. We just don't want to share our booze
with a bunch of lightweights!

>>While in Edinbourough(please excuse spelling errors, if

Sorry, I can't help's EDINBURGH.......I feel better now -
carry on!

>>Black Sea---purchaed alongside the Dead Kennedys FRESH FRUIT FOR ROTTING
VEGATABLES in Pawtucket, RI's Beacon Records(now defunct).

A man after my own heart - I salute you!

>> I wondered if Dom was actually at this gig in late

Nope, but I kinda wish I had been. Somehow I've never managed to catch The
Damned live, despite their regular reunion tours. However, a band I was in
supported Naz Nomad & The Nightmares at the Mean Fiddler in Harlesden once,
which was very cool indeed. They were actually quite awful, with only Vanian
and Roman Jugg from The Damned in the line-up, but it was a great
nearly-punk rock moment. (Not) interestingly, Vanian used to be a
gravedigger in Hemel Hempstead, which is unfortunately where I grew up. Now
I live in Brighton, as does Captain Sensible. Spooky.

>> I guess he's too busy
listening to Test Dept., Emperor and Hank Williams Sr.  My brother and
Dom would have lots of music in common.

Yes, you may well be right! Out of those three I'd have to choose Emperor
though, for reasons of a Norwegian Black Metal nature. Seriously, an awesome
group of musicians. Most of you would hate it!




Message-ID: <>
From: Lawson Dominic <>
Subject: Jock's Trap
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:50:50 -0000

>>I hereby predict a victory for England at Wembley tonight. COME ON



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