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Subject: Chalkhills Digest #5-303

         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 303

                Thursday, 4 November 1999

Today's Topics:

                         New XTC!
                   RE: Englund Swyngs?
            Chalkhills Digest #5-300 comments
                   Death of a salesman
             Dreaming again... of Pink Things
          A plea for tolerance and understanding
                      Hydro... what?
                  The Rose Tatoo and a ?
After they were rock stars/ If they had never been rock stars...
                   Serving Its Porpoise
    Green is the colour: Celebrity secrets revealed!!!
                       flaming lips
                       Re: New CDs
                   The other beach boys


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I felt the punch of a punch.


Message-ID: <>
Date: 2 Nov 99 20:09:04 PST
From: vee tube <>
Subject: New XTC!

      Coming soon! to a Chalkhill
              Near YOU!

       YES! It's a holiday treat!
          It's Reet! Petite!


            TURKEY PLUTO!
  (The Thanx for Giving holiday demos)


01. Turkey Pluto (I heard the cranberries scream inside
       totally dried out Turkeys)

02. I'd baste that! (If I could slide
       down your roasted fork?)

03. Pilgrim Theatre.

04. Stove Top in Boiling Water.
05. Pumpkin pie tonight.

06. Cream Man. ( He's been your desert for
    a million years)

07. Sport Dictionary. (C-O-W-B-O-Y-S is that how you
     spell losers in your....)

08. Fruit Cake (Yuk)

09. I can't roast her.

10. Turkey Testicle.

        And last! But not least!

11. The Last Giblet. ( gobble down, gobble down
     all of you young toms)

             Come on!

 We, (Pan-dimensional Hyper-finoids) Do doth
  challenge you (pathetic humans) To a duel
    Beyond the gills! Let's (us'uns and u'uns)
 get together and make this the best 'holiday
           on the 'Hill, ever!!!



Message-ID: <>
Date: 2 Nov 99 21:28:35 PST
From: vee tube <>
Subject: RE: Englund Swyngs?

  Well, It used too! Way back in '71-72
  Remember the Isle of White? You don't?
  Sando's Labs & Nepalese 'Temple Balls'

  That's ok, at least you'll go down (on me?)
in history as having invented the Garrard automatic
              record changer!

                Ta! Mate!


 (boys who want boys to be goils who want to
        be boys who like goils who like boys
    who like boys to be goils?)

        "I smell, Therefore I'm well"
   Sigmund(dove beauty bar) Froid,

P.S. You know, Like, don't ya? know,like.
  If it wasn't for XTC, America never would've
 entered the World War II thing!?!?

   I mean, for Prince Charles! Ha!


Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 01:04:35 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: Chalkhills Digest #5-300 comments

>> Billy Bragg (one of the few artists who can actually make an overtly
political statement whilst still sounding good)
>True, although his best album, for my money, was actually his least
political overall ("Don't Try This at Home").

i agree. i've been on the fence about mr. bragg's music - some is good,
some is just too political for my tastes - but "don't try this at home" is
a very good album. for those who don't know, it features johnny marr, peter
buck, jody linscott and kirsty maccoll. i especially like "sexuality"
(well, wouldn't you?) and "moving the goalposts".

>Subject: Partridge & Belew
>The God's discuss chords, and hair loss...

that's funny! btw, someone asked previously for recommendations of albums
by mr. belew, so here's my 2 cents worth...

"the lone rhino" - his first solo album. standouts are the title track -
wait 'til you here his rhino roar, it is unbelievable! - and "adidas in
heat", but as a whole, it's a good buy. also good is "mr. music head",
which includes the "hit", "oh daddy" that featured his daughter, audie, on

>From: Danielle Gaither <>
>Subject: John Linnell and other interesting things
>As for O&L, one man's "overproduced" is another's "richly textured." ;)

here, here! count me in as "richly textured"... :-)

>From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
>Subject: Kill Mike Love
>>>Brian Wilson is God
>>>Mike Love is the Anti-Christ

mike love is an egotistical, self-centred jerk-off who contributed nothing,
absolutely NOTHING, to the beach boys but "bad vibrations". he's been
riding on the coat-tails of brian wilson since the beginning. nothing a
sharp shot from a blunt instrument wouldn't take care of... and i dont mean
a guitar... a piano, maybe?

>From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
>Subject: Fuzzy Thinking
>I must admit that i'm totally baffled by this. The only people who are
going to fork out hard earned cash for Fuzzy Warbles are the diehard fans
like ourselves. And we don't want a selection, we want _everything_ !!!

yeah, you hear that, andy? we want _everything_!!! now, if only andy could
be made aware of our desire for _everything_! anybody know how we can
convince andy to release all of the demos? i wouldn't argue if there were 2
- or 3, 4... - volumes created (fw1 & fw2, anybody?), just as long as we
can have it all!

whatever it is that i want, i want it now!

>Subject: RE:Q for the gear heads
>>I'm about to set aside the cheap-assed acoustic I've been playing for the
last 5 years and purchase a new (or old) one that is a dramatic
improvement. I've got about a grand to spend & am looking for some
sugestions. I do not like Ovations...every one I've played has a very thin
sound to it.  Help me out here folks....what's the best deal for the money?

i've always like the sound and feel of a takamine (pronounced
'taka-mean-ay', for those who don't know...). i've been drooling over a
particular model at my local dream shop for a while now. it's a beauty;
sounds great, feels like a woman and it's red, too! ( i have a red guitar
fetish - 3 of my 4 guitars are red!) my problem is that i don't have a
grand to spend on such an item... hell, i don't even have... ah, nevermind!

>From: travis schulz <>
>Subject: A Grammy for XTC- I'd Like That!!!
>On the Grammy topic brought up by Wes in Digest 299, I also have wondered
how to push for an AV1 nomination.
>I'm not a Grammy buff by any measure - but the recognition of it all would
be awful nice, not to mention that good surge in album sales that can come
with it.

considering that the grammies has been nothing but a celebration of
mediocrity since its inception, i don't think xtc meets their criteria in
the first place.

>Nonsuch (my favorite much of the time) was nominated in 92; I think in the
alternative category

are you sure about this? i have my doubts about music as good as xtc's
being nominated by such a bland organization as n.a.r.a.s., and in the
alternative category? alternative to what? insipid mediocrity? well, yes,
now that i think of it, xtc _is_ an alternative to what n.a.r.a.s. thinks
is music.

any bets on how many nominations ricky martin will get?
how 'bout cher? do you believe?
how 'bout mariah carry?
btw, has anyone seen her video where she fights with herself over a
2-timing guy? hack! ptooey!


in conclusion, i'd love to see xtc receive the recognition they deserve for
the brilliant "av1", but it really can't see it happening. in a perfect
world, maybe, but...

 peace & xtc,



Message-ID: <>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Death of a salesman
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:26:37 PST

No offence, DavidOh - I'm sure Greg whatsisname was a nice guy, and 24 is
very young to die, and you seem to like him ... but to be blunt - you pays
your money, you takes your chance. Frankly, it upsets me about as much as
hearing that peace-keeping troops have been killed. So what? That's their

*I* get sad when I hear about the death of people like Frank Zappa and Steve
Marriott and Tim Brooke Taylor and Graeme Chapman and Peter Sellers, who
actually contributed something useful, meaningful and lasting to our society
- i.e. their art.

*I* am moved by the lack of recognition for the quiet, dedicated mass of
people in charity and research and health care and education and other such
endeavours, who tirelessly, thanklessly work for the betterment and benefit
of others, without ever getting a gold cup or a blue ribbon or having
champagne sprayed on them by pneumatic, bikini-clad "hostesses".

Chez moi, motor racing ranks right up there with fishing and golf and every
other form of sport: i.e. the epitome of pointless, meaningless human
activity which (due to its inexplicable attractiveness) has been co-opted
into a means of syphoning rivers of cash out of suckers across the globe.

Motor racing - a bunch of egomaniacal young hoons, squandering obscene
amounts of money, driving mobile billboards at high speed. Big deal. Wake me
when it's over.

As for whether motor racing is a sport? Well, given that I inhabit a world
which (in the interests of better marketing) now defines chess as a sport
... hell, what else would you call it? Sport is a good a name as any. Me, I
call it bollocks.

XTC content - nil. So sue me.



Message-ID: <002501bf25f2$3bf09880$03ef883e@atidy>
From: "Adrian Ransome" <>
Subject: X-TV
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:51:02 -0000


I thought I should inform those Hillers present in the UK that, according
to next week's Radiotimes (the Greek god of telly listing), XTC will be
appearing on Top of the Pops 2 on Wednesday 10th November at 6pm on
BBC2. Personally, I hope they're showing the lads performing Sgt. Rock; as
I recall that the drumming style of Terry Chambers was mightily impressive
for that track.  Knowing our luck, however, this appearance will be
replaced with one from Classix Nouveau or Modern Romance.

For those of you outside these shores, Top of the Pops is a weekly
television pop music chart show which is better watched with the sound off
and subtitles on. Top of the Pops 2 is a dip into the TotP archives showing
acts from as far back as the early 1960's (hence the once-a-series showing
of Status Quo's 'Pictures of Matchstick Men') up to the present day. These
are accompanied by sarcastic comments by "has-been voice over man".

No takers for the yorkshire pudding question, then?



Message-Id: <s81ff1c3.002@OAG.STATE.TX.US>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:26:23 -0600
From: "Steve Oleson" <Steve.Oleson@OAG.STATE.TX.US>
Subject: Dreaming again... of Pink Things

Chalkhills has definitely invaded my unconsious! I dreamt again of things
XTC. Cant remember it clearly...

Andy had come to a dinner party my brother gave. At some point, he shows me
a painting called "An Explication of Pink Things". Represented on the canvas
are 6 to 9 women perched above the ground, on crosses. Their pubic areas
have been shaved.

The crosses are not the usual bloody Christion type, but made of blond tree
limbs. The women are not nailed to the crosses, but sort of perched, hapily
conversing with each other.

I say to Andy: "Ok, I get it, but where are the guys?" He shows me another
canvas that depicts a creek bank, out of which slowly appears a boy, or a
dog... I cant remember which...


Steve "Jung-er than yesterday" Oleson
Aw-stone, TX


Message-ID: <>
From: Todd Bernhardt <>
Subject: A plea for tolerance and understanding
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:05:18 -0500


Nicole, talking about Natalie Merchant, said:
>Have you noticed that, since she left 10,000 Maniacs... her head is a
bit disproportionate to the rest of her body?<

There could be two reasons for this, Nicole. The first, hydrocephalus, can
disfigure a person on its own or show up as a secondary manifestation of an
associated disease of the central nervous system, such as Arnold-Chiari
malformation. Then again, Ms. Merchant could be suffering from
megalencephaly, which can also manifest itself as a primary disease, or as
secondary to an associated disease of the central nervous system, such as
neurofibromatosis or tuberous sclerosis, or a metabolic-storage disease,
such as Krabbe's disease.

In either case, I hardly think her unfortunate circumstances warrant such a
vehement reaction from you ("After a while, though, I just want to yell
'SHUT UP' "). Let's try to have a little more tolerance toward the
misfortunes of others, hmm?

And while we're at it, let's make sure we keep strictly on-topic. I hate it
when people go off-topic.

That said, back to the fascinating discussion of instrument-and-equipment
lists (which has to do with XTC because they must use instruments and
recording equipment to make their music).

Herr Jeff sagte :
>Sacre moo, Homme de Batte, they're trying to kill us all!
This CANNOT work and you know it.  Why?  It's simple: The bounded sequence
of the logarithmic base is integrally proportional to the cotangent of the
square root of the matrix, times the rate of diffusion, convergent to the
y-intercept, when graphed octahedrally on a cotermind and consistently
expanding plane, when the angle of depression "b" is the deteminant of the
interpolation, increased in gradients by the chi-square value of pi.<

Well, duh. I never said my fix was conventional. I decided to sidestep the
physics and it worked for me (once), so it probably will for Dom. If not ...
ah well, at least there'll be no more talk in the digest about that annoying
"metal" music he seems so fond of.

--Todd "Tuttle is my hero" Bernhardt


Message-Id: <l03130300b4460f77a8d3@[]>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:15:10 -0500
From: MinerWerks <>
Subject: adverbally

 Richard Pedretti-Allen regaled us with the following story in digest
>Subject: What a coincidence!
>I attended an ISP Conference (coincidentally called "ISPcon") in Silicon
>Valley  (coincidentally where I live) and the Ariel Corporation
>(coincidentally a company from which I have purchased DSP cards) was
>playing XTC ("Merely A Man") in their tradeshow booth.

Are you suggesting that the choice of song was not coincidental?

= Derek "Was that smarmy, too?" Miner =


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:53:07 -0800 (PST)
From: nross <>
Subject: Hydro... what?

To a previous post, Todd responded:

Nicole, talking about Natalie Merchant, said:
>Have you noticed that, since she left 10,000 Maniacs... her head is a
bit disproportionate to the rest of her body?<

There could be two reasons for this, Nicole. The first, hydrocephalus,
can disfigure a person on its own or show up as
a secondary manifestation of an associated disease of the central
nervous system, such as Arnold-Chiari
malformation. Then again, Ms. Merchant could be suffering from
megalencephaly, which can also manifest itself as a
primary disease, or as secondary to an associated disease of the
central nervous system, such as neurofibromatosis
or tuberous sclerosis, or a metabolic-storage disease, such as Krabbe's

Or we could discuss the effects of gonadal hormone depletion on the
development of the cortex, if you wish... This may be relevant to Ms.
Merchant's condition, as when she left the band... she did leave behind
a lot of testosterone...

Show off!

In either case, I hardly think her unfortunate circumstances warrant
such a vehement reaction from you ("After a
while, though, I just want to yell 'SHUT UP' "). Let's try to have a
little more tolerance toward the misfortunes of
others, hmm?

I'll blow you a raspberry...

And while we're at it, let's make sure we keep strictly on-topic. I
hate it when people go off-topic.

sarcastic schmuck, folks, isn't he?!

XTC content... uh... hmm...

-regards, Nicole

Nicole's internet music station:


Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:12:30 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <>
From: brown <>
Subject: The Rose Tatoo and a ?

Laura wrote:
-I, too, loathe romantic comedy. However, at least one of my favorite movies
is a love movie, The Rose Tattoo. Seen it? With Burt Lancaster and that
beautiful Italian actress who was in some Fellini movies? Man, that movie
gives me life! Whew, just thinking about it makes my heart a happy bird!-

That wonderful actress is Anna Magnani...she won an Oscar for her portrayal
of the widow in The Rose Tatoo (1955).  This movie is a celebration of
life...and one of my faves, as well....

as for L & H, I didn't care for them.... but I love The Three Stooges!

XTC content:
Picked up Nonsuch yesterday...with the exception of one or two songs, this
is all new territory for me! :)  A question, por Dear Madam
Barnum about the now ex-Mrs. P?....I was chuckling at the little
illustration for DMB on the back cover...the shrew in the cart(Marianne?),
being shuttled around by the hapless clown (Andy?).... if this question has
been addressed before, I beg your pardon.....danke!

Before you read on, dear Chalkers...please send ANOTHER request to VH1 now-     -or-    go the VH1 website, click on SHOWS

Perseverance, them we're a tenacious lot, eh?

Stir the embers until they glow,

Debora 'two requests a week is all I ask' Brown


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:20:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: After they were rock stars/ If they had never been rock stars...

Fishbone is the shiznit!  Though, the guitarist now
works in Whole Foods Market.  It really sucks thinking
that one of my favorite groups in the 80's ended up
working at a market!

It's not all bad. I've heard thaat Whole Foods is a
really progressive company that treats their workers
well. Expensive place to shop, though. I call it
'Whole Paycheck'.
The Fishbone story reminds me of something-when I
worked in a record store in Michigan a few years ago,
a fellow employee told me that he had once worked in a
factory in Detroit, where one of his co-workers was
Richie Stotts. Who is Richie Stotts, you ask? He was
the bass player for the Plasmatics!

Does anyone remember Trouser Press magazine? Sometime
back in the early '80's I remember them running a bit
where readers would imagine the careers of rock stars
had they never become famous. Some of them were
funny-Jello Biafra as a social worker, etc. The
poignent one was John Lennon-someone wrote that he
would be living.

 Sounds like a fun game to me, how about it?
I'll get you started:
If they hadn't become famous, they would be...
Andy Partidge: History professor
Colin Moulding: Gardener
Lou Reed: drug dealer or novelist
Madonna: prostitute
Marilyn Manson: fast food restaurant employee
Peter Gabriel and David Byrne: Anthropoligists


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:12:26 +0000
Subject: Serving Its Porpoise

In #5-298 Danielle Gaither pondered:

> pronouncing the last word por-POIZE.  I was wondering if that was the
standard British pronunciation of the word <

Where I come from, darn in sarf Lahndahn, we say 'poor-puss', so I reckon
he was having a laugh

In #5-299 May O'Mahoney wondered:

> the lyric in 'Respectable Street' is 'A vow lady' and that it is,
instead, 'Avon lady.....' <

It is definitely 'Avon lady', ie. someone selling Avon cosmetics
door-to-door (hence 'fills the creases')

and Mark Kirk asked:

> a cover of 'Silver Machine', and at this point I shall prove my ignorance
and pose the question: "Who did this originally?" <

Hmmmm, dredging ancient synaptic connections, long dormant - how about

Cheers, Steve


Message-ID: <>
From: "Witter, Karl F" <>
Subject: Green is the colour: Celebrity secrets revealed!!!
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:05:38 -0500

Usually I watch Due South, but it wasn't on last night at 6p
(11/2). So, while grazing, I find Comedy Central's usually
tepid SNL rerun, and there was Brian Wilson being interviewed
by Larry King!

Well, it wasn't really either of them, but Tim Robbins, doing
this doppelganging Brian Wilson impersonation. No makeup, no
anything, just his incredibly expressive face. It was so
spot-on it made me wince.

Recently I asked anyone to figure out "Green is the colour".
If you're breathlessly awaiting to know what it means, go to and look for
"fight song". If only I could post about music or XTC and be
paid some attention.

Here are your lovely parting gifts; thanks for playing!

Tortured wordplay explained on request,


Message-Id: <>
From: Janis VanCourt <>
Subject: "Kkkkssttttsss"
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:49:36 -0500

Harrison querrisoned:

<<Dammit, somebody help me out here.

I *know* I've seen a transcription of a recent interview with Partridge
in which he's actually holding a copy of the Chalkhills FAQ and reading
from it (rather derisively, sad to say); he holds forth on the "proper"
pronunciation of XTC: "Kkkkssttttsss," if memory serves--no vowels, you
see. I could have sworn it was in the Big Takeover article from this
summer, but I skimmed it and didn't find it.

I searched the archived articles at Chalkhills, to no avail.>>

That quote was indeed from the interview in The Big Takeover magazine.  I'm
working on typing the whole derned thang out to put on the web; I'll be
happy to send it along to John for the Chalkhills page when it's all done.

-Janis (no, no, transcribing lengthy and silly interviews is just a *hobby*,
you see...)


Message-ID: <006f01bf2649$1d853340$23ce883e@pbncomputer>
From: "chris browning" <>
Subject: flaming lips
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:16:00 -0000

yeah - whoever recommended the soft bulletin i *utterly* agree - would be
the best album of the year of it wasn't for AV1 - i have seen the flaming
lips live four times this year, and - well - about the most unique live
music experience i have ever had (aside from kevin rowland sings karaoke in
a dress at reading of course. -sigh -). let's just say - gongs, nun and
dinosaur puppets, lots of glitter and - erm - footage of various
bloodthirsty operations to the strains of some of teh most astonishing music
you will hear. first time i saw them - at bowlie - i genuinely felt i was
seeing a genuine leap forward for music - and tellingly they play an
interview between wayne coyne and brian wilson before they come on.
pertinent to recent discussions methinks....

only XTC content - have managed to convert my new housemate to the guys
*completely* by accident. he was talking about how much he loved simple
minds (and he's only 19! is there no hope for the man?) and i scoffed
mightily. so he challenged me on my music taste and asked who my favourite
ever band were. XTC. no question. next day he scampers into my room waving
fossil fuels which he'd just bought in the city centre and had been playing
non stop! good grief! if only everybody i mention the band too would buy
fossil fuels on impulse! makes you glad to be alive - sniff - sniff.




Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:13:43 -0500
From: Rob Hill <>
Subject: Rejoycing

Pancho Artecona sez:

> so it does appear that the Partridgean pronunciation is an accepted
> British one (this was meant for Rob Hill but I erased his email
> address, sorry!) after all.

Received & acknowledged, though I'm still pouty that you went & lost my
email address. Harumph. I think you should send Herr Rundgren a copy as
well, since he reportedly gave Andy so much grief over the

Later on, Harrison Sherwood punted:

> That little Venereal Vixen can shuck my oyshter any day, growl
> growl. And Old Sobersides is showing an enormous amount of
> self-discipline here by refusing steadfastly to reach for the the
> easy punch line about a pearl necklace. Yes, sir. I have no
> intention to expand the purlieus of the matter.

> (That last is perhaps the classiest awful pun I have ever stolen.
> A big, manly Double Corona for anyone who can identify the source.
> Here Comes Everybody!)

Well, if your tipoff can be believed, then the answer is Finnigans Wake,
though what any rational human being is doing within the vicinity of
that mischievous tome, I'm sure I don't know. Well, I'm waiting beside
the mailbox. Send on over my prize. A question though. Are the postage
rates affected depending on what hemisphere I'm located in? I've heard
about the controversial Double Corona force.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:47:13 EST
Subject: B.B./XTC

Well, as long as we have a Beach Boys discussion going on . . .

Has anyone ever noticed the similarity of the bass line in the verses of
"The Good Things" by XTC, and "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" by the
Beach Boys?

J. D.


Date: 4 Nov 99 12:05:12 ADS
Subject: Love
Message-ID: <>

All this talk about Brian Wilson and Mike Love reminded me of the punsome
title of an album put out a coupla years ago by Aussie trio Smudge: "Mike
Love Not War" (!)


Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:12:11 -0500
Subject: Re: New CDs
From: "Diamond" <>

To DavidOh-
My "Big Express" CD's fine, but I have the Geffen version.

on another note, HELP!!!!

My god, I'm being drowned in music!!!! (although,"What a love-a-ly way for
me to go")

To many new CD's!!! Oy, vay, I can't take all this at onbce. I had just
gotten three Prefab Sprout CD's and John Linnell's new State Songs when I
went on a little "vay-cay" day tip to Boston to check out Berklee
(awsome).  While I was in boston, I just happened to stumble into a Tower
Recods store, where I forced mysel to only buy two CD's, Elvis Costello's
"Trust" and Prefab Sprout's "Jordon: The Comback" then, while walking down
the street, a guy was selling used stuff on the sidewalk. So, I stoped,
and picked up a copy of Wilco's "Summer Teath" on tape. To top it all of,
When I got home, there was a package containing to CD-R's of the Bear's
first (and only) two albums. (Thanks Trish!!!!) Now I don't know which way
to turn, and, most importantly, which album to listen to. Not to mention
that I'm getting these sudden cravinfs for AV1 and The Big Express
(Thank's a lot for bringing the subject up, davidoh!!! {jk}) Plus I've got
PILES OF HOMEWORK to do, and I'm behind in my sleep. god, it's hard being

(Now's the part when you all comfort me and tell me that I'll get through
it somehow... go on...)

One last thing, I've got a question for you all. I know this is EXTREMELY
EARLY TO ASK THIS QUESTION but what do you think XTC's Post-AV album will
be called (Asuming they have one) Do you think it will come from a AV1 or
AV2 song?

Waiting for your replies (and comfort)

Kevin "How about 'All Your Corn I'll Reap' for their next album? (jk)"

P.S. or how about "do what you will but harm none"? (not jk) or "Do what
you will" or "harm none" if that's too long.

"The universe does not have laws, it has habits, and habits can be broken.
               -Tom Robbins


Message-Id: <l03130300b445de2e9488@[]>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:51:24 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: The other beach boys

>What if the Beatles had a member who constantly attacked every advance
>attempted by the band? At least that particular Beatle wasn't the only
>songwriter. Of course, with the Beach Boys, it was Brian and pretty much
>nobody else. It was all on his shoulders. Mike Love knew how sensitive Brian
>was. He knew that he could make Brian feel bad & guilty about his art. He
>wanted "Fun, Fun, Fun" in the sun and screw the melancholy/introspective
>stuff. Because, he was/is shallow. So let's not fully blame Love for
>stilting Brian's growth (Brian had inner demons galore). Rather let's heap a
>good portion of blame directly on his head. There. That's better. I can't
>defend Mike at all.

  Not to nitpick, but Al Jardine and Carl Wilson did some writing on their
late 60's-early 70's albums; on my vinyl copy of Surf's Up there's two each
from both of them.(Jardine's offerings were earnest but a bit forced,
Carl's two songs were among the highlights of the album)Bruce Johnston
contributed the occasional song as well, such as "Disney Girls" from Surf's
Up, and his infamous "I Write The Songs"(yes, the one Barry Manilow did)was
recorded but never released(thank God). During the period when Brian wasn'r
performing with them, the remaining band members mostly picked up the
songwriting slack themselves, though Mike Love was mostly responsible for
picking outside material and I don't know that Dennis wrote much(though his
reportedly excellent solo album suggests that if he didn't he should have;
I've only heard little bits of it myself)

Christopher R. Coolidge

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