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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 282

                 Tuesday, 12 October 1999

Today's Topics:

                   Homespun Inspiration
          Full of sound and fury, signifying...
                         homespun
                      Oh, the irony
                  old browsers and stuff
                         The Sids
                      domicile woven
                       Re: Charlie
              mercy, mercy me (the ecology)
                       Odds'n'sods
                  Pertinent schmertinent
               Return of the Prodigal Idiot
              Mark, Mark, Mark (shakes head)
             Homespun liner notes on the web
                        Racism...
                   blah blah responses
                  I find myself leaving.
     my two cents on lack of XTC content on this list
           Faux-beatles? Skylarking praise.....
                       Re: Homespun

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Message-ID: <001101bf139a$9eaa1060$725791d2@p13s574p>
From: "John  Boudreau" <aso1@mocha.ocn.ne.jp>
Subject: Homespun Inspiration
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:41:28 +0900

Sitting around on a lazy Sunday afternoon ( ah , the Small Faces ... ) with
a Double Diamond Ale ( miraculously procured at a provincial Japanese
liquor shop ! ) listening to newly acquired " Homespun " when my daughter -
an XTC fan of sorts at 11 but still prefers her Japanese " idol " singers -
sits down and listens to the bonus CD of three tracks of " how ... came
about " .  She listens intently with an occasional question and after the
final tracks ends promptly marches into her rabbit hutch bedroom , sits
down at the piano ( takes up half the room space I kid you not ! ) , and
begins to work on an original tune . Minutes pass and then ... piano stops
.  I walk to her room , open the door , and there she is lying down on the
floor in front of her CD player studying APPLE VENUS 1 ! Can't tell you how
much my heart was warmed and how overjoyed with pride I was at that moment
. I nodded in paternal approval and said , " Keep up the good work ! " She
smiled widely as I shut the door and strolled back to computer to write
this .

John in Japan

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Message-ID: <3801BF30.2EF5C854@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 06:42:56 -0400
From: Todd and Jennifer Bernhardt <toddjenn@erols.com>
Subject: Full of sound and fury, signifying...

Hi:

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Shaking my head in disbelief,
Todd

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Message-ID: <19991011153534.90418.qmail@hotmail.com>
From: "garret harkawik" <funktaisia@hotmail.com>
Subject: homespun
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:35:34 EDT

Andisheh Nouraee wrote:

>Yesterday four armed men wearing dark blue windbreakers with the >letters
>"TVT" emblazoned on the back stormed into my house and forced me to >buy a
>copy of XTC's Homespun.  "But I already have some the demos on a >CD-R," I
>pleaded.  "You will buy Homespun and you will buy it NOW," said one >of the
>gunmen as he reached into his wallet to give me change and a receipt.

I had a similer experience in.  I drempt that I was in a cd store when a
lepricaun appereaded.  He led me to homespun and used his lepricaun powers
to make me buy a copy.  When I awoke, I was holding in my hands a copy of
homespun with a reciept, and change.  When I checked my wallet, I was
missing $13.  Wierd.

Garret Harkawik

"Ya know, you go through life, risiting the urge to punch someone out, and
in return, you get treated like dirt.  Well i'm better then dirt!
Well...Maybe not that store bought dirt.  That stuffs loaded with nutrients.
  I can't compete with that."-Moe Syzlac (From The Simpsons)

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Message-ID: <D9E6CEC7734AD111BCF70090273C5D674B66AB@user8.chemonics.net>
From: Todd Bernhardt <TBernhardt@Chemonics.net>
Subject: Oh, the irony
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:39:03 -0400

Hi:

 From David Oh:
>btw, although i try to maintain a certain standard when i'm writing,
sometimes i misspell words, sometimes i make typographical errors and
sometimes my grammar is incorrect.
so fucking what!<

And now, his sig quote:
>"if you celebrate mediocrity, you get mediocrity" - frank zappa<

That is all.
Todd

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Message-ID: <19991010190403.28654.rocketmail@web2102.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:04:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com>
Subject: old browsers and stuff

RE:
Even if you're a poor slob or starving artist, you can get the latest
browsers from Microsoft or Netscape on the net for FREE! Secondly, it's not
silly and pointless to design a site for newer generation browsers.  Do you
still listen to 8 tracks?
--------
As I've written to the several people who e-mailed me
off list on this topic, in my case the money issue is
not with the software but with hardware. Our computer
is fairly old, and dosent have much memory. We've
resisted upgrading to Netscape 4.0 because it is a
much larger package then the 3.04 we're currently
using. It could fill our hard drive, and then some!
I'm sure there others with a similar predicament as
well. I'd love a new computer, and am saving for one,
but for now this is all I have.
Oh, and we have a microsoft-free computer, so IE is
out of the question. No microsoft product will ever be
installed on a computer we own. It's some of the worst
software I have ever used!

When I learned web design (and I consider myself an
ameteur-check out my site:
http://www.mindspring.com/~t.hewitt/) I was taught
that one should design pages so that they can be read
by anyone-no matter what hardware/software
combinations they are using. For personal pages, it's
not really an issue. What is silly and pointless to me
is designing a commercial site that many potential
customers can't access. Sort of like trying to go
shopping on a Friday afternoon and finding that the
store is only open on Sunday evening between 8pm and
midnight! Why bother? If your goal is to get as many
customers as possible onto your site, why make it
difficult for them to do so? I personally will not
waste my time on sites I can't access.

Do I still listen to 8-tracks? No, although I do
regret selling my copy of Iggy Pop's The Idiot on
8-track. It was just too damn funny too look at!
Do you still listen to vinyl? To many, that is a
relavent question. I know a lot of you love vinyl, yet
others see it as obsolete. Do you vinyl lovers see
yourselves as luddites? Just because something is old
dosen't automatically mean it is obsolete. Just
because something is new dosen't automatically mean it
is better. Our computer works fine, and does most of
what we want it to. It's a perfectly fine piece of
equiptment, just has a smallish hard drive.

Enough on that.
XTC content: Where the hell is my copy of Homespun? I
advance ordered it from CD now, and have been
paitently waiting by my mailbox, but it has yet to
show. Has anyone else had problems with advance
ordering from them (maybe I'm being impatient, but
this is XTC we're talking about! Even if it's demos,
their second release after 7 long years has me excited!)

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Message-ID: <011101bf1411$2aa63b40$2373fbd1@JH3.alternatech.net>
From: "JH3" <jh3@netins.net>
Subject: The Sids
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:50:54 -0500

 From Gary Hooper <hooperg@bigpond.com>:

>Way back in Digest #276 I posted a question about
>Wendy & Sarah Partridge - I didn't get one reply! Well,
>thanks for nothin'! I'm leaving. You bastards!

I'm afraid this is because you phrased the question incorrectly,
Gary! You asked "Who are Wendy and Sarah Partridge," when
of course the correct question should have been "WHAT are
Wendy and Sarah Partridge"? The (admittedly little-known)
truth is that "Wendy" and "Sarah" are actually incredibly life-like
android "dynabots," assembled in the Far East as the first stage
of an experimental test to determine if Western music fans will
accept robots as pop stars! The company behind the experiment,
Sheisho International Dynabotics, Inc., was largely financed by
record-company money in an effort to reduce the threat of
Internet-based free music distribution by eliminating the human
element from the production process altogether. (Hey, no more
messy contracts!)

Some would say that the failure of Stage I was unfortunate,
since it did involve Shriekback's demise as a recording group,
but of course we all know about the recent massive success of
the Stage II dynabot, "Ricky Martin."

I realize the above info still doesn't answer the question of
whether or not Wendy & Sarah (aka "the Sids", an acronym
for the company that produced them) are related to Andy
Partridge, but I think I can safely answer "no" to that one!

Thank you for your support,

John H. Hedges
XTCWare: http://www.alternatech.net/jh3/xtc

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:08:53 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id: <199910111808.LAA05624@mail2.deltanet.com>
From: Brown <mb2@deltanet.com>
Subject: domicile woven

Hey chalk dudes and dudettes!

I just want to tell y'all that I purchased Homespun...and I'm glad I did.  I
am not well connected to the inside... (way more than six, bloody degrees of
separation, mind you!), and I have never heard any of the demos.  With the
liner notes and all, Homespun is a treat for me!!
I am hesitant to give this subject any more attention than it already has
received, BUT:
I was disturbed by the Charlie Buck racism allegation, and I sent him a
personal message conveying my distress/apologies.  Then I read the ever-sage
Mr. Bernhardt's musings on the subject, here it is-

"I hope everybody recognizes this as the flamebait it is. I had just thought
Charlie Buck was not the sharpest knife in the shop, but now it's obvious to
me that he's just been yanking our chain (the hotmail address is a clue).

Adios, "Charlie." Interesting approach, but one that shows you don't really
know us very well. Wonder who you'll try to come back as?"--

Thank you, Todd.  I wonder who Satanas Diablo is....hmmmmmmm.

Stir the embers until they glow,

Debora Brown
looking forward to AV2  ...AND-no more digest disruptors**

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Message-ID: <19991011220902.61611.qmail@hotmail.com>
From: "Kjetil Sorenssen" <kjetilks@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Charlie
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:09:01 PDT

What's happening to this list?

I urge whoever called Charlie na n-word to leave this list right
now. These racists should understand (and I'm pretty sure that the rest of
the list agrees with me on this) that PEOPLE WITH THOSE KIND OF OPINIONS
ARE NOT WELCOME IN THIS SITE! We can quarell about anything else (well not
everything) that we want to discuss, but if I hear of any more racially
discriminating remarks I will leave this list.

Now over to my favorite topic that you decided to discuss while I was on
vacation: David Bowie. While XTC are my favourite group, Bowie is my
favourite solo artist. Favourite album:Scary Monsters. The new album is
very good but compared to my other favurites release this year it is a
little bleak.

Chalk Chalk - "Spirit of Children"!

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Message-ID: <01BF141F.9F512460.wes@iolvegas.com>
From: Wes Hanks <wes@iolvegas.com>
Subject: mercy, mercy me (the ecology)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:33:47 -0700

Dear Ones,

Did Andy's appearance on Space Ghost Coast to Coast come and go with nary a
word? I have been checking the Cartoon Network's site and it appears they
are running re-runs. I have yet to see his episode listed. Wasn't Andy's
episode scheduled to run sometime during this past summer? Or did I totally
muff the punt return?

Next question counselor... why, once heard, is it nearly impossible to get
T. Rex's "Jeepster" out of me head?

And finally...am I the only person who can't get enough of watching "Iron
Chef"?

Life currently on back order,

Wes Hanks
Las Vegas

http://clubs.yahoo.com/xtcenglandsglory

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Message-ID: <19991012023202.25527.qmail@hotmail.com>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <dunks58@hotmail.com>
Subject: Odds'n'sods
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:32:01 PDT

Welcome newbies. To the one (aoplogies for forgettin' your name) who opined:

>I usually wait until I have something actually pertinent to add
>about the band, and this time is no exception (imagine what this >digest
>would be like if EVERYONE did that).

... I can only reiterate: I imagine it would be a really REALLY f***ing
boring list which I would not contribute to. It's pretty much Anorak City
already, but Jesus wept, if we had to ONLY talk about XTC??? I am already
on other lists where that policy is rigidly enforced, and man but they are
a dull read! I routinely delete all the mail from one list in question (see
me after class) unless a particular title catches my eye. It's just SO
anal, so tedious ...

FEE FI FO FUM
Is Charlie a troll? Hmmm ... I find myself wondering why people are so quick
to doubt Charlie's word. All the indications are that he/she is for real,
and I'm a more than a little concerned by the disquieting tendency to assume
"Oh no, no-one here could possibly do such a thing ... it's a joke/trick
etc" Wanna bet? Prejudice must be resisted at all levels and all times, and
I still advocate "outing" the culprits and banning them.

Homespun: hmmmmm...
Bought it on the weekend. Not bad value, not great value, although finally
hearing Andy's demos leaves me wondering why he bothered re-recording them.
Of course there are certain bits that you can see he intended to 'tart up',
but I also see what Dave was driving at: they certainly don't leave much
room for development or improvisation, especially compared to Colin's, which
are much "sketchier". (Does anyone else think he and Dave might do some
stuff together in the future?)

That being said - a feeling of rip-off lingers. I thought this was going to
be "the ones that got away?" Pretty cheesy only having the AV1 demos,
*especially* when several have already been released on the singles - and
you can't tell me this is going appeal to anyone outside the cult of rabid
completists which inhabits this list (mea culpa, mea Nancy Culpa). And are
we to be treated to Homespun II (The Wrath of Conned Fans) with only the
AV2 demos on board, in the near future?

Value for money: 4/10

Compelling need to own it: 2/10

But hell, I still bought it. What a schmuck.

Duncan Watt: handsome is as handsome does. I'm not saying anything about
you other than rapping your knuckles for using The Word Girl. It's
inherently sexist and demeaning, and I took it as being a put-down in the
context as I read it. Maybe I was wrong? I'll have to re-read the whole
thing now.  Dammit.

Dunks

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From: StarlingV@aol.com
Message-ID: <0.8e6b9b5f.2533f905@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:37:57 EDT
Subject: Pertinent schmertinent

 adamette@augustine.gci.net wrote:

<< I usually wait until I have something actually pertinent to add
about the band, and this time is no exception (imagine what this digest
would be like if EVERYONE did that).>>

Um... woefully brief and infrequent?

-Janis

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Message-ID: <19991012025402.28502.rocketmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:54:02 +1000 (EST)
From: Iain Murray <twentiethcenturyfrog@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Return of the Prodigal Idiot

I'm back from overseas - did I miss anything?

=====
Iain

============================================================
"Information is not knowledge, knowledge is not wisdom, wisdom is not
truth, truth is not beauty, beauty is not love, love is not music. Music is
the best." - Frank Zappa
============================================================

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Message-ID: <19991012030138.17268.rocketmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:01:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Molly Fanton <mfanton99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Mark, Mark, Mark (shakes head)

Mark, I know what trolls sound like, and I'm not
convinced that he is a troll.  He e-mailed me a nice
response, and he was very apologetic for getting so
bent out of shape.  Oh and btw, are you saying that
all people who use Hotmail are trolls?  Hmm, I know a
few a lot of people who use Hotmail and who aren't
trolls.  Why don't you say that AOL users are losers?
Or people who use Yahoo are stupid and don't know
anything.  That's so uncool.
With this talk about racism and XTC I just remembered
one time I was doing an AOL listening party for White
Music and a bunch of racists came in.  They thought
White Music was something different.  It made me
totally uncomfortable, and when I ever do a listening
party for this album again, I'm going to make sure I
make it clear that this is a name of an album.

Molly

=====
http://www.angelfire.com/mn/mollyfa99/index.html

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From: StarlingV@aol.com
Message-ID: <0.6acb9b69.2533fe4d@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:00:29 EDT
Subject: Homespun liner notes on the web

WTDK Wayne said (among a lot of other good stuff):

<<Homespun strikes be as having the same place in XTC's catalog as the
Beatles Anthology albums. It's almost like hearing an alternate version of
the same album and, while very interesting, isn't essential for all
fans. I happen to like it. There's a charm to a number of the tracks
particularly Harvest Festival and Fruit Nut. Clearly the fact that it's a
limited edition demonstrates that is for the fans. The packaging is
terrific, particularly the comments by Andy and Colin. My only complaint
is that it would have been nice to have How Greenman came to be as a bonus
track or additional disc.  Andy's monologues are quite charming and
intimate. It's almost like having him in your living room entertaining.>>

I could not have expressed this better, Wayne... splunge, on all points.  I
am *treasuring* my Homespun copy already, especially for Andy's (and Colin's)
written comments on each demo.

For those of you who have to miss out or who can't wait to read the liner
notes, I've typed them out at my humble homepage.  I'm sorry, I simply can't
suffer any XTC fan to miss these great insights on the AV1 songs as they
developed.

Read the text of the liner notes at
http://members.aol.com/starlingv/homespun.txt

Blessed be,
Janis
http://members.aol.com/starlingv/starling.htm

My favorite Andy quote from the Homespun notes (on Greenman):  "It takes two
to tango, monotheists!"

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Message-ID: <001b01bf1460$bfd22720$2a89b3d1@oemcomputer>
From: "Aaron Pastula" <apastula@earthlink.net>
Subject: Racism...
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:19:38 -0700

>For the
>guy who lives in California, you can come meet me and Malcolm (aka Charlie)
>any day and see if he is "real."  As for mentioning playing the race card?
>Come on man, if you live in the US then it is quite obvious that racism is
>still a major part of this country.  If you don't believe that, then my
>friend, you are the ignorant one.

If you go back and read my original message carefully, you'll see that I
*never* implied that racism didn't exist - in fact, part of the reason I was
so worked up about the whole thing is because I know what a problem it is.
Even my "huckleberry little whitebread chickenshit conservative republican
mind" acknowledges that there's a lot of bigotry in this country, but I
simply don't buy the fact that Charlie's (or Malcom's?) original question
about something as trivial as a the title of a stupid record album
snowballed into a case of racial hatred.  It just doesn't make sense, and I
hate to say it, but I've been in a position where I've seen people say
things that are simply unfounded in order to get their point across or get
special treatment.  Just as you have witnessed firsthand the absurdity of
being pulled over with your black friends for their being black (I had a
friend in college who used to have this happen to him, so I know how
ridiculous this is), so too have I had firsthand experience with people who
are simply unjustified in their claims of racism - it's not "total and
complete bullshit" at all, it happens.  The guy stated in a post that his
message had been "censored" from the list, which *is* bullshit (how - and
why - would the moderator of the list censor his message because he was
black?!) because his message was there.  Why, then, should I believe his
other claims, especially since he originally got so worked up over
**nothing?**  If there's information that I'm not aware of, please let me
know, but from where I'm standing it looks like this: Charlie asked a
question that didn't make sense, people asked him to clarify it, he didn't,
a few people offered suggestions anyway, the next thing we knew he was
bitter because "no one wants to help other fans," and within a matter of a
few days he was leaving the list because he'd been called a nigger.  I mean,
come on...does this really make sense?  Tell me if I'm missing a step,
because I just don't see it.

I know racism exists, and for me to claim otherwise would of *course* make
me ignorant.  But I would also be ignorant if I didn't acknowledge that
there are people out there who will spin a simple misunderstanding into a
major issue if it serves them in some way (even if it's somehow just to make
them feel better) and this infuriates me because, like I said in my original
post, it takes away from the people who really *do* have genuine concerns.
Charlie's messages put up serious red flags for me and reminded me right
away of the situations I used to see, and no doubt will see again, and
that's why I responded the way I did.  I hate to think that anyone would
actually have to endure the abuse he claims to have, especially if it comes
from a group of which I happen to be a member - and of course, if he indeed
did, then the people responsible are obvious scum.  I'll say it again - I'm
sorry if Charlie feels he was offended, and I'm certainly sorry if he
actually was.  But I just have a hard time believing that this is the case.

Aaron.

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Message-ID: <19991012034126.37966.qmail@hotmail.com>
From: "Megan Heller" <hellerm@hotmail.com>
Subject: blah blah responses
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:41:25 PDT

I have to find a job... my responses are getting too long and sarcastic...

hm, first on the whole 'older v. newer fans' thing-- I can't remember who
started it-- it made me think of how my favorite XTC album has changed over
the past few years.  For years my favorite was "Oranges & Lemons"-- a later
album, I guess-- primarily, I think, for sentimental reasons-- that was the
album I started listening to XTC with.  In the past couple years, though, I
think I have to say my favorite has shifted to Black Sea-- there's something
so incredibly tight, yet so incredibly dynamic about that album-- I can
honestly put it in my top five.

as for Americans not listening to XTC-- no, not much (although I've known
some Brits who didn't know XTC, either).  I think both the US and UK have
their ups and downs on the charts, although the UK charts really do seem to
show a bit more creativity and (god forgive me) intelligence (I'm thinking
of the fact that Underworld and UNKLE have shown up on top of the charts,
and the KLF back in the late eighties).  Still, the UK has Boyzone, just to
keep it from getting too cocky about quality music.

let's see...

Patrick (adamette@augustine.gci.net) ponders--
>I usually wait until I have something actually pertinent to add
>about the band, and this time is no exception (imagine what this >digest
>would be like if EVERYONE did that).

infrequent and boring. (I've been on the list six months, and I think I've
seen this argument, what, sixty times?)

pancho artecona <partecona@yahoo.com> suggests--
>And if anyone is interested in seeing Obie's Wan
>Kanobi in greater detail, I highly recommend Peter
>Greenaway's film "The Pillow Box" where our hero uses
>his light sabre against male and female foes (Japanese
>no less).

ahem.

I agree, very good movie (it's "The Pillow Book", btw)-- unusual, although a
bit devestating near the end-- make sure you're in the mood for heavy if you
see it.

"Andrea Rossillon" <rossillon@hotmail.com> instructs--
>The long pause between "wire" and "toasting" is just
>for rhythm's sake, and is called (in poetry) a _caesura_.

argh!  no!  I never want to see that word on this list again!

(very tired of studying for the Graduate Record Exam in Literature...)

pancho artecona <partecona@yahoo.com> returns--
>They know who Ricky Martin is though......(he's sooooo cute!)

hey, have you heard that song, something about la vida loca?  I think it's
going to be a big hit!

"garret harkawik" <funktaisia@hotmail.com> (who seems to have *excellent*
taste in music) questions--
>On a rather strange note-A few online music stores that i've been to
> >lately have totally screwed up the release dates of xtc's albums. For
> >example according to one store, almost half their albums were >released
>in 1991.

I think I can answer that one.  That's when a whole bunch of XTC albums were
re-released on cd in this country by Geffen.  I remember because I was
almost 14 (so limited money) and had just bought most of those very albums
on Virgin as imports at a cd store in Atlanta.  hm, I think it was
everything before "English Settlement".  No, wait, "Mummer" was one, too.
The releases have bonus tracks on them, I think (although the Virgin ones I
got have bonus tracks, too).

m out.

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Message-ID: <387217450.939701668125.JavaMail.root@web05.pub01>
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:14:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Satanas Diablo <thedevil@minister.com>
Subject: I find myself leaving.

I cant believe all you ignorant fucks!  I mean, as I said in the last post,
you are here trying to prove shit and put down someone and you have no basis
but the fact that you want to believe there is no such thing as racists or
blacks into XTC?!
Come to Southern California any day and meet us.  I will disclose who one of
the fucks were!  When he first forwarded me a letter, it was from someone
named Perry Sadval or something like that.  I deleted it.  I never thought I
should have "kept it for evidence."

Second of all, this argument about Malcolm not telling he was black is so
ignorent!  He already explained that he told he was black to the person who
emailed him, not on the list!  He recieved some e-mails that kept saying how
ignorent he was and the person made some racial comparison or something.
He then said that he was black and took that statement by offence.  Then,
the person started saying stuff like "I'm sure you can educate yourself at
some community college for free, or maybe welfare will cover it."  As the
argument worsened, it started on with race.  Then, he got another message
which seamed to be from a friend of this person or something and they
started with the race stuff.

I can't believe how ignorant and immature many of you have turned out to be!
This is stupid!  I am not going to spend the next few months trying to
defend someone who recieved racist remarks from this list!  Fuck it then.  I
guess it is just a bunch of biggots here!  If you want a picture, I will
send you one, and any day any of you want to talk your racist trash to us,
say it in person, and not behind a bunch of Laser printer "drums and wires!"
I cant believe all this, really.  You were not the one called nigger and you
all are taking more offence to Malcolm talking about his treatment then you
are the fact that some of you are bigots!

Well, count me out.  I like Boingo better anyway!

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Message-ID: <19991012065436.4906.rocketmail@web2106.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:54:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com>
Subject: my two cents on lack of XTC content on this list

RE:
I usually wait until I have something actually
pertinent to add
about the band, and this time is no exception (imagine
what this digest
would be like if EVERYONE did that).

It would be PRETTY FUCKING BORING, IMHO. I'm on three
other lists (Chalkhills was my first). Thinking that
they were all this much fun, I joined lists for the
Residents, John Oswald (Plunderphonics) and Los Lobos,
in that order. Let me tell you, they are all pretty
damn boring! The Residents list I find really
annoying, like a bunch of Jr.High kids sharing a
private joke. The Los LObos list is endless posts
about trading tapes and how cool Los Lobos t-shirts
would be if they were available. The oswald list posts
so irregularly that I'm surprised when a message
actually shows up.
Yeah, endless posts about Nirvana, Bowie, Phil
Collins, racism, my old computer, how many bowel
movements Ringo had in August 1966, etc. can get
tedious at times, but have you ever seen as active and
varied e-mail group as this one? Since joining this
list last January I've traded tapes with several
people, met Andy Partridge (an event I may have missed
had I not saw it on this list), read countless
rapturous reviews of AV1, learned of the existence of
Song Stories, and butted heads and/or comiserated with
lots of strangers that I know like XTC enough to put
up with all of this.
And, for all the posts I read about keeping to the
topic at hand, etc. I know most of you secretly dig
this list, or you woulden't be wasting your time with
it!

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Message-ID: <3802D5D1.2E7DCA1C@mail.gci.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:31:46 -0800
From: adamette@augustine.gci.net
Subject: Faux-beatles? Skylarking praise.....

In Chalkhills #281 Luna writes:
the most common criticism of XTC was that they were a "faux Beatles"
band, and I think that's crap.

I wanted to say bravo to this comment!  Having been a long time Beatles
fan (I was the only 14 year old that I knew of that all of their
LPs...and I was born after they broke up) my ear was ready for what XTC
had to offer, but to call them a faux-Beatles band IS crap.

In my mind, there are hundreds (thousands?) of bands whose songs are
blatant attenpts to be Beatlesque (I think we can all think of a few).
The thing was, they more or less copied what they thought made the
Beatle's sound (and you can tell that it is what they did).

XTC on the other hand simply took cues from the Beatle's work and
explored ideas further, giving us the luxurious Skylarking and the
complete success of exploring Beatlesque motifs that is the Dukes of
Strasphear catalog.  I found that they apparoached their music for a
great respect for what came before them, and in doing so were able to
expand on the groundwork.  I recognize that the groundwork  was not
exclsuively laid by one band (The Beatles) but that it is clear that XTC
were heavily influenced by them.  I read in the Little Express some 15
years ago (was it that long ago?) that Andy's favorite song is "Hello
Goodbye" from The Magical Mystery Tour.  This and that XTC had posed in
at least one picture to look exactly like the Beatles (this picture was
also included in the Little Express).

A note about Skylarking:  I recently rediscovered it (I love doing that
about every two years) and have once again determined it to be a
masterpiece.  That makes about 6 times now in various stages of my life
that I have thought of it in that regard.  From the natural images in
Summer's Cauldron to the reckless abandon of Grass, from the multiple
images in "ballet" to the double meanings in "another satellite," from
the sadness of "Dying" to the anger of "Sacrificial Bonfire" it just
doesn't quit and is one of the main reasons I pursued a passion for
XTC.  Thank you Andy, Colin and Dave (if any of you read this) for
giving us that recording.  It has been a profound joy to listen to over
the years.

Patrick
Juenau, Alaska

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:09:45 +0100 (BST)
From: Chris Clee <cmc@sanger.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Homespun
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.9910120942050.2236-100000@piranha>

Yo chaps, well reckon i like this one. To be honest i found AV1 somewhat
overproduced (and not because i'd heard the demo to death, thanks to john
m, for letting me have a copy though). the homespun album is a must for
anyone who likes to hear the musician playing their own composition. A
much better buy than av1 in my opinion,

have fun

chris :)

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