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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 27

                Saturday, 28 November 1998

Today's Topics:

        "I'MNOTINXTC" to tour in the year 2000!!!!
               Re, Just a bunch of thaughts
                        Re Wanker
                       TB purchase
                      Re: Pink Thing
                  Mark Isham...The Sons
                        early days
                      a simple hello
               Re : Todd POV (Paris lunch)
                     The Individuals
                      Re: War Dance
                      XTC's "Rocket"
                        Re: Sussy
       More on your wife's best friend, John Thomas
                 The Persistence Of Andy
                     This Is The End
              Starbucks Hi-Fidelity Holiday
                   re: chalkhills #5-26
                       your not my
                       My favorites
               up, and places between, down


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:04:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Jon Rosenberger <>
Subject: "I'MNOTINXTC" to tour in the year 2000!!!!

OK this is a JOKE not the foundation of a RUMOUR. Don't try calling
the local ticket store.

But the other day I was thinking about how sad it is that Dave and
Andy can't see Eye to Eye on things (Or is that I to I). I understand
why, but it still makes me sad. I think this will be a detriment to
the music. But that isn't the point of this post.

This led me to think about the fact that there are now more ex-members
than members.  So I think Chambers, Andrews and Gregory should just go
out and tour on their own and call themselves "I'MNOTINXTC". With a
killer name like that, I am sure they can sell out a few arena's and
It would be interesting as well to hear Dave playing on Barry's music.
I think the biggest problem with Andrews XTC compositions is that the
band just doesn't seem to be with him, not firing on all cylinders if
you get my meaning. ( No Flames please I love ALL XTC tunes and Phil
Collins is my mothers, third husbands, brothers, dog's chauffer, and I
have always prefered the dominican's monks to beat(so much white meat)).

Ah yes! but I digress what I really meant to say is I miss XTC music
terribly and I need new stuff.  I actually listened to all of
"Testimonial Dinner" the other day. WOW talk about cats fighting in a
garbage can. Those tunes belong on the same album about as much as
Siskel and Ebert should be sleeping together ( I applaud anyone who
doesn't know who they are).

OK this post is going no where so I just hit the brakes.

I'MNOTINXTC in stores soon!!!!!

Stop!! Put the flamethrower down, and step away from it.

Jon Rosenberger
Wish I could tell ya I was on something but I wrote that ramble sober.
Scary Eh?


Message-ID: <>
From: Noriko Sadatsune <>
Subject: Hello
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:31:55 -0000

Hi all

I have recently joined this mailing list, so I
just wanted to say hello to all of you, XTC

I am 26 years old (well, soon to be 27years
old on 1st January) Japanese female, a mega
fan of XTCs' !! I am lookig forward to chatting
various kind of topics for all about XTC...!!

My favourite songs are "Happy Families",
"Senses working over time", "Respectable
street", "Ball and chain ( Reminds me of
Newbury bypath)", "Snowman", "Earn enough
for us" "Dear god","No thugs in our house",
"Meeting place", "Extrovert", "The Ballad of
Peter Pumpkinhead", "Gold", "Grass",
"The dissapointed (It's sad.)" and so on.I
might forget to list some more songs I really

Bye for now,

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Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:34:59 EST
Subject: Re, Just a bunch of thaughts

>From: "Gerardo Tellez" <>
>Subject: Just a bunch of thoughts...............
>Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:37:40 -0800

"I'll have to agree on that.  I think that My Weapon is the best song on
that album, with the exception of Meccanic Dancing.  In my opinion, Go2 is
Andy at his worst.  Jumping in Gomorrah is probably the worst song he has
ever written.  Barry and Colin's songs, though, help the album.  Can you
imagine what Go2 would be like without their songs?  I get chills down my
spine just thinking about it," said Geraldo .

"To the contrary," says Mark Einhaus.  "I find the whole GO2, an excellent
example of how advanced the compositions are on the entire LP.  This LP, as
it turns out, was my first introduction to XTC.  I recently began to
overplay this recording, again, and to my bemusement I felt how far ahead of
its time it is.  This, in my humble opinion, surpasses the grunge examples
of the present.  I reflects the punk sound of its time and it is all popular
rock music!  The song , 'Jumping in Gomorrah,' in particular, is one of the
songs I felt the need to revel in.  The Song "Red" is Andy at his finest.
The cool thing about it is Andy does all the guitar work.  The songs 'Super
Tough,' and ' My Weapon,' are the two songs that really drew me into the
band.  Funny don't you think?  Barry Andrews split after that recording and
my fondness of XTC grew.  Very cool!"

Thank you for you time,



Message-ID: <000e01be196e$9de6d400$3e0417d4@default>
From: "Steve Jackson" <>
Subject: Re Wanker
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:49:28 -0000

Somebody said.
I was just going back in the postings, because I have a huge tendancy
to overlook things I might not want to overlook... and I saw
a posting by Dom... that a wanker is not a happy love toy... meaning
a penis... PENIS... a wanker is a penis. If I am wrong than I have
missunderstood WAY too many jokes and references. A PENIS very much
is a wanker am I right? God, I'll just freak out if I am wrong here
because that will be years and years of not really knowing what
was being said around me.  It must be a love toy...right RIGHT?
Please PLEASE tell me I am right!

To end this...wanking is masturbating. A wanker masturbates. A wanger is a
A fanny is a vagina.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:38:28 -0500
From: (Bill Peschel)
Organization: The Herald
Subject: TB purchase


Jeff Langr writes:
I'm curious
how many people will be shelling out money for
Transistor Blast.  I can't see it selling more
than a couple thousand units.

I'll be buying it, but not until March or so, when some money I'm
anticipating will be coming in. Considering I just have Go2 and O&L, and
no Phil Collins'/Genesis albums, I got a lot of catching up to do.

-- Bill Peschel
Book page editor, Rock Hill (S.C.) Herald


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:27:23 -0500
From: (Bill Peschel)
Organization: The Herald
Subject: Re: Pink Thing

nross writes:

In all the Monty Python I've seen, I've never
heard it referred to as a J.T.? Has anyone?

i say:
Yes, actually. Near the beginning of "Meaning of Life," Graham Chapman
talks about condoms with his wife (Eric Idle?), and how he's thankful he
is not Catholic but Protestant, because he can go down to the chemist
and ask for a prophalyactic for his . . . and he rattles off a series of
euphemisitics for his weapon, including J.T. This immediately led into
the dance number, "Every Sperm is Sacred."

As for all the b-ing and m-ing about all these damn opinions clogging
the XTC newsgroup, I am shaking my head, trying to imagine what the
posters would rather see. If we can't talk about the music, what else is
there to talk about? I found all of the discussions fascinating,
especially the slagging bits, even about music I like (e.g., "Jumping in
Gohmorra" from Go2, which I thought clever).

I especially like to hear why a person like/hate a particular song. Just
offering a list does nothing for me. Was it the prose? The music? The
way Andy blew snot into the microphone during the bridge? The wanking in
the background on the backwards masking track?

Thanks be to Jason Legacy for pointing out the XTC influence on Sting.

-- Bill Peschel
Book page editor, Rock Hill (S.C.) Herald


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:51:24 -0500
From: richard leighton <>
Subject: Mark Isham...The Sons

On the O&L debate, I love it. On Mark Isham, he also did a record with
The Sons Of Champlin (the original Marin Co. band). This was before he
became famous for his movie scores. The record is out of print so good


Message-Id: <>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:12:38 +0000
From: john riordan <>
Subject: early days

It's no lie - White Music is not an album you would use as an example to
explain to people why you would sell your house to fund Andy & Colin's
song-writing experimentations.  It sounds like what is is - a grope in the
dark.  You wouldn't listen to this and place a large bet on a further 20
plus years of longevity.  It is quite instructional to compare the album
version of "This is Pop" to the single (the song that got me started).  The
former is pedestrian and instantly forgettable, the latter sizzles with the
fractured syntax that Andy has made his trademark.  To me it was uncanny to
realise that the single was not the original idea as it was envisioned.

It is quite interesting to hear how other fans treasure certain songs but
lambast others(I spluttered at the guy so disappointed at Nonsuch he traded
it in within a week - "Holly up on Poppy", "Then She Appeared" and
"Wardance" would  make it indispensable even if the rest was recorded by
Roxette.  But, surely, if you were that serious, you would take the trouble
to cross the Atlantic and hand it back to AP personally). I would say that
if you find it of no interest then scroll down. Such things will not squeeze
out missives of a calibre to radically alter long-held perceptions.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:36:56 -0500
From: Robert Cosentino <>
Organization: Pink Palace Productions
Subject: CC98

Hi All,

I'd like to congratulate everybody involved with CC98 on a job well
done! I haven't heard more people sound like Colin (vocally) in my life!

Rob Cosentino


From: Robert Salvini <>
Message-ID: <000b01be1a18$1167b8a0$2c8c5ed1@nate>
Subject: a simple hello
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:10:26 -0500

Hello All!
Been quite some time since I posted.
I am still here!
Yes, I have moved but my email remains unchanged and as does my homepage
which I intend to update at some point soon. I wanted to invite people to
please email me as I love to chat to people
who share the same appreciation of XTC as I do and love receiving email.
"You keep saying what you got,.......look out!"
My email is


Message-Id: <>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 98 15:45:20 +0100
From: (SOLANS, Frederic)
Subject: Re : Todd POV (Paris lunch)

     Hi everybody

     Todd wrote

        > Frederic Solans wrote:

                > I have an XTC "trophy" = a lunch with Andy and his new
                > wife (+ 2 friends of mine + 2 Virgin Paris girls) during
                > promotion of Fossil Fuel last year in Paris.

        > Hmmm ... goes against what I've heard about those Paris girls ...

     First, thanks to you, it reassures me to know that french messages are
     read. More precisions about this lunch : it was great... FOR ME !!
     (and my friends too). And only because I didn't think that I would
     meet Andy one day (very rare opportunity for a french fan), and less
     yet having a lunch !! Concerning the Virgin girls, I never see them
     before or after this lunch. I'm quite sure it was NOT great for them.
     They seem to be bothered by everything : job, weather (rain !), delays
     with Andy's appointments, fans encrusting (friends and I), too many
     people at the table (do you know how small are restaurants in Paris
     district "le marais" ?) etc. Seems to be just another job-lunch, and
     Andy's presence don't change anything. I was front of Erica, who
     apparently needed to speak about all we want except Andy's musical
     stuff (I understand it, two days with journalists in XTC universe, it
     was enough for her). With my poor english speaking, I don't think it
     was great for her too. And I think it wasn't a memorable instant for
     Andy too. So, it was certainly not a perfect instant (I NEVER say it
     was the best day in my life). But I don't meet (and will not) this guy
     everyday, so I confirm : it was great.

     See you



Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:13:29 EST
Subject: The Individuals

Hi Chalksters!

What with this group having excellent knowledge of all things Pop, I thought
I'd see whether anyone has a copy of this rare album:

The Individuals- "Fields" on the Plexus label

I've looked for this album for 15+ years, and would love to hear it.  Please
contact me off list if you can help.

Happy Holidays,

Curious George


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:42:17 -0800
From: Rich/MetalMan <>
Subject: Re: War Dance

>You want to talk about a crappy synth imitation, let's
>talk about War Dance and that clarinet-sax thing.  There's another
>one that should've been left off of Nonsuch.  Are there any fans
>of that  of that tune out there?

  You knew it was inevitable -- War Dance is one of my favorites from
Nonsuch! Not so much for that clarinet thingie which IS slightly
annoying, but I love the way that the lyrics are more softly-spoken than
sung, and the way the rhythm is kept throughout the song.

  I also like "The Smartest Monkeys" from Nonsuch. So shoot me, it's
cheesy, but the tune is really cool. Colin did well on that album, even
if he didn't make gems like "Then She Appeared."

* ----------------------------------------------
Rich Bunnell or "Metal Man," whichever sounds more insane
"This is your life and you do what you want to do, just don't hurt
nobody, unless they ask you" -XTC
"Do you have a special something you take to bed with you? Does it make
you feel good if you hold your special something?" -Mr. Rogers
* ----------------------------------------------


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:49:34 -0800
From: Ed <>
Subject: XTC's "Rocket"

I just saw a used copy of a CD called "Place of General Happiness:
Lyrics by Ernest Noyes Brookings, Vol. 2", and I noticed one of the
track was credited to XTC, a song called "Rocket". Was I a fool for not
taking a chance on buying it  for $12?? Is the song any good? I read on
the Chalkhills Archive that it's "Played, sung, and recorded by Andy
Partridge at The Shed, Swindon, England." There didn't seem to be any
other tracks of note.

After thinking about this, I'm beginning to know the answer to my

Ed in S.F.


Message-Id: <v03007800b284a051b7c2@[]>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:14:42 -0500
From: Erich Walther <>
Subject: Synchronicity?

Wake up, you dreamers!

Did anyone else notice that Lady C and Damien Foulger (sic) both used the
same quote in their sigs last post? I think it pretty well sums up a lot of
the slagging, wanking, wonking and honking we've seen around here for the
last couple weeks.

O&L caused me a reprimand at work when it first came out. I was out moving
my car for citation avoidance purposes when I heard the unmistakeable
warble of Partridge voice filling my car singing "I may be the Mayor". As I
sat transfixed, hands gripping the wheel, sweat beading, the DJ announced
that this was the new XTC and he was going to play the ENTIRE thing, which
he went on to do. Yes, I turned the engine off for the duration to avoid CO
poisoning, but I damned near drained the battery and upon my belated return
to work was consumately chastised - a beerless long lunch!

Crappy/bad/poor XTC albums - the ones that came out in 1993,94,95,96...(get
the picture)? Was Beethoven's Fifth worse than his Seventh? Please
extrapolate in one hundred words or less...

Richard at the trade schmooze: I think someone once opined that the music
business was like unto a hammer.

Harrison in #26: having a bad day?

Simon re de-Claydermanizing (sic and sick) your baby: 'Somnabulist' on a
loop would be great for sleep inducement - that back to the womb beating of
hearts thing.

As for Transistor Blast: Seeing as the Miles Davis 'Bitches Brew' box set
will cost about the same as a Park Avenue fanny, I think it's a shoe-in for
under the tannembaum. Also, could we not refer to it as TB?  Try the
following phrases:
"I want TB for Christmas!"  "Do you have TB yet?"  "I've got TB!"

Wishing for an acronym-free world,
Erich in Ottawa

"People will always be tempted to wipe their feet with anything with
welcome written on it"


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:58:38 EST
Subject: Re: Sussy

>Now, regarding Phil Collins' abilities (before dear Mr Relph declares the
>topic dead, since this is Chalkhills and not Sussy, the Phil Collins Mailing
>A: Yeah, good drummer in his youth. (Me an old Genesis (Gabriel phase) fan
>in my youth)
>B: No, can't sing. No discussion about that.
>C: No, bad songwriting.
>D: No, bad producer, too slick. That's a link back to O&L again.

  XTC-Phil Collins link: Hugh Padgham, producer of English Settlement, also
produced some of Genesis' 80's material(forget which album, I wasn't
particularly interested by that point)and I believe he's responsible for
some of Collins' solo material as well.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:05:54 -0600
From: John Voorhees <>
Subject: More on your wife's best friend, John Thomas

Ah, Monty Python.  So refined, so erudite.  A couple of you mentioned
Graham Chapman's reference to his Protestant John Thomas in The Meaning
of Life, but he also sang a delightful tune on the subject later in the
movie.  And now, thanks to the International Lyrics Server, I'm pleased
to present:

Penis Song (The Not Noel Coward Song)


Isn't it awfully nice to have a penis,
Isn't it frightfully good to have a dong.
It's swell to have a stiffy,
It's divine to own a dick.
From the tiniest little tadger,
To the world's biggest prick.

So three cheers for your willy or John Thomas.
Hooray for your one-eyed trouser snake.
Your piece of pork,
Your wife's best friend,
Your Percy or your cock.

You can wrap it up in ribbons,
You can slip it in your sock.
But don't take it out in public
Or they will stick you in the dock,
And you won't come back.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:23:35 -0500
From: Michael Versaci <>
Organization: Stormy Monday Enterprises
Subject: The Persistence Of Andy


>Granted they are unusually intelligent and challenging (and good)
>if you compare them with the rest. But ultimately they're about fun and
>dancing and having a laugh. If you want to get cerebral go off and listen to
>Bach or Monk (as I'm sure Harrison does anyway) and write about that, or
>better still write something of your own. I get the feeling some members of
>this list are letting XTC take up too big a part of their lives. You really
>should go out more - find an interesting hobby or something.

To the truly enlightened (fire away!), Andy Partridge IS making serious
music, deserving of literate and lively commentary.   It is absolutely
on par with the music of Bach, Mozart, Monk, Coltrane, Lennon &
McCartney and a handful of other brilliant composers/musicians.   The
word "genius" has fallen victim to word-inflation, but Andy Partridge is
a musical genius in the classic sense of the word.  I would label the
demos of "The Green Man", "River Of Orchids", and "Easter Theatre" as
perfect records, (and in concept, they are), but how then shall I refer
to the definitive versions when "Apple Venus" is finally released?

Technically speaking, and with rare exception, Andy Partridge writes
flawless lyrics.  You may argue with the sentiment being expressed, but
you cannot reprove the expression.  From alliteration, ("Breathing in
the boiling butter", "gulping in your opium so copiously"), to rhythm
and rhyme, ("Dear Madam Barnum", "The Mayor Of Simpleton",) to
hyper-imagery, ("He loves me / He loves me not / he's pulling pins from
an atom bomb" and from the same song "Look out for my corpse in the
color supplement!"),  to the unimaginable ("Burning With Optimism's
Flame", "River Of Orchids"), the man is without peer.

His songs and their respective arrangements are a collage of
intertwining melodies and counter-melodies that move the listener
emotionally and spiritually.  The music is simultaneously simple and
complex, busy and sparse, understood and mystifying.  As many have
mentioned, the records continue to change and grow with the listener.
Relationships between melodies and rhythms are seamlessly woven into the
fabric of the arrangement, in the same way that a  Salvador Dali
painting combines multiple images that appear as one from one
perspective and as many from another.  Long after we become familiar
with a particular record, we can suddenly find ourselves surprised by an
aural twist that was always there, but until that moment, inexplicably

While Colin and Dave deserve credit for their part, the demos of the
latest material reveal Andy Partridge as an artist of the highest order;
indeed as a musical genius.  I can hardly wait for his future

And for the record, I've got a life.  My interesting hobby is great

Stormy Monday


Message-Id: <>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 01:00:53 +0000
Subject: This Is The End

Dear Chalkers,

Last issue Simon Deane said:

> I mean, XTC are just a pop group.

Bad Simon, bad!
Now go and listen to Travels In Nihilon for 24 hours on end, that'll
teach you, heretic!!!

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse


Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:48:49 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <>
From: John Relph <>
Subject: Starbucks Hi-Fidelity Holiday


I cannot believe I forgot to mention this, but a week or so ago my
wife were in Starbucks (the evil empire I know, but the coffee is very
consistently decent - the local place across the street is
inconsistently decent) and on a whim I took a look at the recent
seasonal Starbucks CDs they had on display.  When what to my wondering
eyes should appear but The Three Wise Men!  Yes, XTC in disguise with
diamonds play their usual track "Thanks for Christmas" on *Starbucks
Hi-Fidelity Holiday ...a holiday compilation*.  Sorry, I didn't write
down the other artists on the compilation, so you're on your own.  But
you didn't want to give Starbucks any more money, now did you?

_Starbucks Hi-Fidelity Holiday_
     _...a holiday compilation in stereo_ includes The Three Wise Men
     (XTC): Thanks for Christmas.
	o CD, EMI Music Special Markets USA, 72434-97552-2-2, November
	  1998.  digipak.

Now they've really hit the big time.

	-- John


Message-Id: <>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 01:49:59 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: re: chalkhills #5-26

in spite of what i (may have) said in a previous chalkhills (my hypocrisy
is showing here, again!), the worst of xtc is still better than the best of
most bands, & the creative output of andy & colin rivals (in quantity,
anyway!) any band except the rolling stones.

>hey kristi.
>"burn down the disco, hang the blessed dj, because the music they
constantly play says nothing to me about my life..." - morrissey<

thanx 4 the quote! i'm not a big fan of the smiths, but this is one of my
fave songs. this & 'big mouth strikes again'. does any1 not see the irony
in both songs? same goes 4 many of andy's (& a few of colin's) songs, 2!

>hey mary_beth,
>i work for disney (ok, no comments about our corruptness, ok?  we do some
great stuff, we do some bad stuff, we're a huge company and there's no
getting around it.)<
i work 4 a major international corp., 2. we've been around 4 100+ years! we
do some good work, some bad work & some mediocre work, as well. as a matter
of fact, we make a product that u most likely use @ disney, tho i won't say
what it is hmmm

>hey "bob crain"
>i repeat myself when i'm under stress, i repeat myself when i'm under
stress, i repeat myself when i'm under stress (ad infinitum).<

nice king crimson quote here! do u like 'discipline'?

>subject: wanker
not that i'm an expert on english or wanking (ok, i'm not an expert on
english!), but 1ce & 4 all, according 2 the concise oxford dictionary;
wank v. & n. coarse slang. "usually considered a taboo word. - v.intr. &
tr. 2 masturbate. - n. an act of masturbating [20th c.: orig. unkn.]

2 take it a little further, a wanker is 1 who does something (anything?) 2
excess just 2 please themselves. in other words, just 4 self-gratification,
whether masturbating, playing guitar, exercising, surfing the web (?),
etc.! anything!

please, i hope that this is the ends of the great debate on wanking.
otherwise, we're all just wanking here!

>subject: fanny
again, not an expert, but
oxford again
fanny n.(pl. -ies) 1 brit. course sl. the female genitals. 2 us sl. the
buttocks. "usually considered a taboo word in brit. use. [20th c.: orig.

please, i hope this accomplishes the same as above!

>hey iain;
>"there are only forty people in the world, and five of them are
- captain beefheart.<

nice beefheart quote!

>michael stone, windsor.
crocodile: i agree!
that wave: i disagree!
then she appeared: great song!
miniature sun: also a great song. who cares about the 'synth brass'?!?
merely a man: another great song. & yes. mark isham's horn is augmented. so
war dance: crappy sample, yes, but a good song, nonetheless! are there any
fans? yes, count my vote!
this world over: well, 1 could complain about the drum machine being mixed
so high, but it's a great song, 2! the words r poignant & it has 1 of
colin's best bass lines ever recorded, 2. listen 2 it, it's so funky!

whether xtc should've used better instrumentation on certain songs is
irrelevant. they did the best job they could within (most likely, well
over) their budget & we should all be grateful they continue 2 record.
apple venus 1 & 2 will have many songs that will please & disappoint all
fans. i can't wait 4 it

the comparisons 2 the beatles r inevitable, but hey, even the beatles
wrote, & recorded, some bad songs! just listen 2 'let it be'!

hear, here! vive la difference!

that's enuff 4 now!



From: nedrise@MNSi.Net
Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:52:11 -0400
Subject: your not my


I meant Your Dictionary, not  My  Dictionary.

Michael Stone


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 01:54:16 EST
Subject: My favorites

 As a first-time poster, allow me to share my xtc history.  First saw G02 in
store, intrigued, didn't buy. Heard Nigel, bought everything available.  Saw
our boys 4 times in NYC, great clubs like Hurrah! and trax, also at
Palladium (opening acts: Jools Holland and Suzi Quattro). Bought all records
up to BE, then was divorced from my vinyl collection for several years. When
I started buying discs again, they were smaller and more expensive. Opted
for cassettes of Skylarking, O&L, Nonsuch.

Just bought Songs & Stories, same time I bought Celtic Crossroads: The Art
of Van Morrison. What do these two artists have in common? Mark Isham. His
trumpet adds excellence to President Kill, and also to great Van albums like
Into The Music and Common One. Check out Haunts of Ancient Peace from the
latter record. Different from xtc, but just as full of integrity.

Was very happy to read recent post about Helicopter. Hope I can contribute
something half as insightful to the online discussion.

Thanx for the opportunity to add my 2cents.
Henry Stein


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 03:00:33 -0800
From: Bob Estus <>
Subject: up, and places between, down

Dear Chalk-hearted,

Oranges and Lemons: "It's only gas and chemicals. We thought you'd
prefer something not nature made". Ha ha... not my words... :^)

This supposed over-produced-glitzy-dragster-queen of an album (that I
love) was promoted how? Three guitars and their musicians (in various
tunings) knocking on radio station doors stripped down for an unplugged
performance. And the songs survived marvelously...IMO. Something about
production falls into the fashion category. The thing that is true with
the majority of XTC songs is that if you take away the sugar coating
there's still a damn fine song underneath.

"The coffin's lowered and the lunches get packed." Just a brilliant
lyric! Er...what's for lunch?

I liked Harrison's musing about _That Wave_ although I chalk up the
Swim/Sky Fly/Sea reversal to something much more simple,
disorienteering. Andy flop-flips,  juxtaposes objects, includes
synesthetic references to stir up a predictable line in hopes of
tripping up the listener (ie. I fell down to heaven, How coloured the
flowers all smelled). Having a sweet tooth for psychedelica has produced
the Dukes phenomenon but also probably accounts for a penchant for the
simple reversal or match-miss either to startle or disorient the viewer.
Now that I think of it some of the vocals textures for _River of
Orchids_ feel like mock backweird masking (fits perfectly with the tail
chasing and sort of reverse imagery too).

The first time I obheard Helicopter I thought, "This guys voice is
sooooo hoarse..."
Here are some lyrics that point at each other in case you missed 'em:
Helicopter: She got to be obscene to be obheard
Have You Seen Jackie: Shy and quiet neither scene nor herd

Does anyone else hear this? On the phrase "Still I'm getting
higherrrrrrrrrh" in _Chalkhills and Children_ I've always had the
impression Andy was approximating the gas burner on a balloon.


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