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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 264

                Tuesday, 7 September 1999

Today's Topics:

                    Are You In A Band?
                  We're goin' to Vietnam
                    Erica Up On Uffie
                         The List
                         weird al
              Overlistening/Intrusive extras
            To Your Mother! (kraaaaannnngggg!)
                    Apple Venus Vol 2
                    Popular Mechanics
          The dancing about architecture debate
         why we agree to disagree (or something)
               sunflower/fashion-plate andy
           Stop that, it's silly! Off you go!!
                       World Party
            World Party, a leetle xtc content
                  Re: to be or not to be
               scat singing in rock'n'roll!
               need not be present to enter
               XTC Interview In Real Audio


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Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:26:57 -0400
Subject: Are You In A Band?
From: "Diamond" <>

Hi and howdy doody
(i'm the union man, you can call me roody!)

Kevin here. Just writting to say a few things. First, before I forget, I
have page-a-day calander of the 367 stupidest things ever said. Today's is
pentagon's discription of peace. According to them:

PEACE: permanent pre-hostility

Nice, eh? Thought you'd enjoy it. Thought of a possible weird al spoof:
life ain't so good in the whitehouse:

Life ain't so good in the whitehouse
Hilary wants to divorce me and run for house

Life ain't so good in the whitehouse
My VP is gonna be the next whitehouse mouse

Anyway...recently bought an album I thought you people would like. The
buggle's The Age Of Plastic. Classic new-wave here, folks. Great stuff.
Especially "Living in the plastic age," "Elstree," and of course "Video
killed the radio star" any new-wave fans (Say, fans of Devo or Thomas
Dolby) will love it, but I could definetly detect trace xtc-like
moments. The Lead Singer/Bass player (Trevor Horn)'s voice sounds like a
cross 'tween andy and colin. good stuff.

Also: Best lyric on AV1: I heard the dandilions roar in picadilly circus
Worst: Knights in shining Karma tend your flame (That whole song just annoys
me, I don't know why.)
Song I thought should be single: River of Orchids. (Even thought up a music
video for it.)

One more question: How many readers of the hills here are in bands, or
write and record music? I'm in a band, myself (Bass Player, co-songwriter,
Co-Vocalist, Colin-wannabee), and I thought if there was enogh people here
who wrote music here we could put together a compilation album like they
did at the They Might be Giants website. We could either all do XTC covers
(I Call Extrovert!) or we could even do originals just to show each other
what we do. It would be fun, what do you think? I already missed the TMBG
one, that's why I thought I'd ask about it here. Think about it, and get
in touch with me. Thanks.

That's all

Kevin Diamond

"I've got to get a cool qoute to put at the end of my messages"
                            -Kevin Diamond


Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id: <>
From: DCB-MBB <>
Subject: We're goin' to Vietnam

Greetings Chalkers!

In a recent digest, John Hedges shared his thoughts on Vietnam themed songs,
here's a snippet-
"Most American alt-rockers have treated the whole subject of Vietnam
as more of a joke than anything else (witness Lee Harvey Oswald Band's
"Panic in Hanoi," Dead Milkmen's "Beach Party Vietnam," and Lotion's
"Marijuana Vietnam")."
This is probably true because most alt-rockers are relatively young,
compared to the generation(s) that were more directly impacted by the war.
The passage of time allows us to view the human experience with a sharper,
less emotional eye.--(Cue up the satire and scathing humor)....Which makes
me think of the song, 'Truckdrivin' Neighbors Downstairs', by Beck.  It
starts out with the lines;

Acid casualty with a repossed car...
Vietnam vet, playin' air guitar...
He's just the shit kickin', speed takin', truck drivin' neighbor,

Darkly disturbing songstory... and rings of truth too... first time I heard
it I was sure Beck was referring to a man who lived in the apartment across
from mine (circa 1981).... anyway, I'm just rambling now, sorry everyone....
--On the recent discussions about Jason and The Argonauts, and the nautical
leanings of Mr. P....didn't Mr. P senior pick the name Andrew because it was
slang speak for the Navy, as in 'being in the Andrew'?  I love that!
Sorry to bend your chalkie ears, kidz-

Best regards,
Debora 'is that a Sears poncho you're wearing?' Brown
* ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
p.s.- if anyone has any $ to spare, you should contact Mitch Friedman and
pick up a copy of his fine, The Importance of Sauce CD...I'm enjoying it,
right this minute :-D
(may I give out your email address, Mitch?), if my
memory serves me, and it rarely does*****
* ----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:56:40 EDT
Subject: Erica Up On Uffie


A few weeks ago, punch drunk tired and full of Guinness, I half heartedly
started a contest called "guess what's in my pocket" thing I could
come up with at the time....and promised the author of the most entertaining
answer a free cdr of demos from my accolade studded list of goodies:
Click here:

I received about a dozen entries, and this was my fave:

Nicole Ross' entry:

A miniaturized representation of Andy's "Brown Guitar" with the song list
and lyrics from the last concert they ever performed written in red ink all
along the neck.  On the head...a tattoo of the Uffington White Horse with
Erica riding on its' back and the whole company of Virgin being trampled

I dig it......Erica Up On Uffie!........sounds like it may get pretty Ugly
Underneath for the Virgin execs.

Thanks to all who participated, I enjoyed reading your responses.

OH.........and the cdr she wanted.......misc Colin Moulding demos!



Message-ID: <BFF173C03701D211852000805FA74505693B67@sbkmxsmb05>
From: "Wayne, Rich" <>
Subject: The List
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:14:34 -0400

The fact that anyone would discuss Phish underscores just how awful this
list has become.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:14:43 EDT
Subject: weird al

okay , I almost sent this the last time someone assked what song should
weird al parody.

      Do you know what noise awakes you
      Every morning ,from your ass?
      Coming from the beer you guzzled ,
      Coming from excessive gas....

                          etc...etc   that is a s far as I got, thank
                eddie st.martin


Message-ID: <000b01bef599$1297eb20$634e08c3@sdd2>
From: "SteveD" <>
Subject: Overlistening/Intrusive extras
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:15:23 +0100

Somebody mentioned overlistening to AV1 recently. Don't do it kids! Just
say no!  "Skylarking" was rarely off my turntable when I first bought it
back in '87.  By '88 I could hardly bear listening to it, and it wasn't til
about '94 that I was able to appreciate it again. It's like it's *so* good
it becomes impossible to listen to. A problem I still have with REM's
"Green".  So now I carefully mete out my listening - AV1 pops in and out of
the shelf a lot, but there are whole passages of days go by withoug my
listening to it, just so that I can continue to listen to it. Also enjoying
Barenaked Ladies "Stunt" at the moment so am rationing that too.

Am also annoyed, as I swap my battered old records for pristine new CDs, by
the intrusive nature of the additional tracks. Why couldn't they slap on at
the end. For some reason, the additional tracks really seem to effect the
balance of "Mummer" for me.

Anybody know where I can find Hunter's and Collector's "Jaws of Death"?

under construction:


Message-ID: <>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: To Your Mother! (kraaaaannnngggg!)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:49:36 PDT

Derek salivates:

>And I'll reiterate something Jeff pointed out - that the Beatles >"Yellow
>Submarine Songtrack" is due out on September 14th (at least >in the U.S. it
>is). In case you hadn't heard, they actually went back >and did all new
>remixes from the master tapes for this release.

Help me get through my cynical days. I am moved to ask why this was not
done in the first place? (The low moaning sound you hear is emanating from
all of us who are being induced to buy this record for the third or fourth
time ....Marketing Rools, OK.

>Heresy? Perhaps, but it certainly piques my interest that we can hear
> >classics like "Nowhere Man," "All You Need Is Love," and "Lucy in the
> >Sky With Diamonds" for the first time without the mixes being >dictated
>by only having had four tracks to record on before >everything had to be
>"bounced down" a generation.

Heresy?? Is this a religious relic? Zappa remastered all his stuff for CD -
which has to be done anyway if you really care about how it sounds - and of
course the purists threw their hands up in horror. So what? Frank reckoned
he was never all that happy with the original mixes and masterings anyway.
Likewise for Lennon: I recall him saying in the 70s that he didn't like the
quality (pre-CD obviously) of a lot of the Beatles stuff and would have
liked to re-record some of the things like Pepper using better equipment.
(George Martin was a bit miffed of course.)

As far as four tracks is concerned ... hmmm, not sure about that. As far as
I know, for all that earlier stuff like "Nowhere Man" they will only have
the 4-track multitracks to work from, although whether ALL the multitracks
survive is another question. I would assuem a lot of the working tracks
which were later bounced down to the 4-track master were not kept, but who
knows? Anyway hey won't have to "bounce it down" as before, although one
can't help wondering how this will affect the overall sound. The later
stuff I'm not so sure about - I know by that time they were starting to use
8-track - some of the stuff on Magical Mystery Tour (I think) was done on
the new 8-track at Olympic, as I recall, which was one of the first times
they worked outside Abbey Rd.

(Is this an anorak I see before me?)

The well-known songs I can take or leave. What I'm most interested to hear
is George's stuff. Apparently he took particular interest in the remix of
"Only A Northern Song" and "It's All Too Much", which have always been two
of my faves (All Too Much being IMHO one of THE great pschedelic songs) so
they should sound pretty wild now. Apparently EMI are also giving a big
push to the wonderful "Hey Bulldog", which is one of the best Beatles songs
from that era, and a classic bit of Lennon at his acerbic best. Killer riff
too.  Should be good.

Which reminds me... speaking of marketing (where is the "Smile" box set,
please, Capitol? How about the Japan and XTC boxes please Virgin?) ... I
found an interesting page on a Beatles site the other day all about why EMI
squashed a proposed re-release of the mono mix of Sgt Peppers. It's a very
interesting point, and really bears out my belief that the majors are
trying to squeeze every last cent out the Fab Franchise.

The mono mix of Pepper - and indeed for almost all the Beatles LPs - was
always regarded by the group and George Martin as the preferred mix format.
The vast majority of time and effort was put into the mono mix, and it was
these to which the band themselves paid the most attention, and were often
directly involved. As I understand it, they were mostly not even present
for the stereo mixes, which were generally done very fast, and more or less
as an afterthought.

The most obvious result of this process is the infamous stereo mix of
Rubber Soul (which the Fabs hated). RS was only ever intended to be heard
in mono but it was deemed necessary to 'remix' it for stereo for the US
market (a rush job, by all accounts), so we ended up with that terrible
"mix", which I think was done merely by separating the tracks on the stereo
master, with all the vocals squashed over to one side and all the backing
tracks on the other.

According to this article, only about 10 hours was devoted to mxing Sgt
Pepper for stereo, out of the 700-odd hours of recording and mixing on that
album. The mono mixes for most of the mid-late 60s LPs were noticeably
different from the stereo mixes. The White Album is a case in point, with
the mono mixes of songs like "Piggies" and "Helter Skelter" reputedly being
significantly different from the "standard" stereo versions most of us

Anyway - apparently EMI had the whole Pepper mono thing ready and sent out
adverts and it was all going to come out in a nice limited edition box etc
etc - and then they inexplicably pulled the plug and no-one will now talk

It really begs the question of what moneygrubbers EMI are. There is no
reason why they could not have issued the mono mixes of the LPs on the same
CD (or even on a 'bonus' CD). It's not as if they haven't made their money
back ninety times over, and it's certainly not as if they need to be
worried about whether it will sell!

Same goes for XTC: how long until we have to fork out more of our
hard-earned bucks when Virgin decides to remaster it all properly? (I can
dream can't I?)

Oh well ... back to the alleged grind I suppose. In the meantime, let me
express my best wishes to fellow Chalker Iain Murray and his bride-to-be
Louise for his impending wedding, which will also be a mini-Chalkhills
convention by the sound of it.

If anyone knows any reason why this couple should not be joined in wedlock,
let them speak now or forever hold their peace!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:20:52 EDT
Subject: Apple Venus Vol 2

Wondering if anyone has a release date for Apple Venus Vol 2?


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:16:09 -0400
Subject: Popular Mechanics
From: "Diamond" <>

    I thought I'd let you all in on something I heard today. There's a
13 year old girl whom I work with at my summer job. yesterday, she
bought the first Cd she's ever bought with her own money. It was a
Beastie Boys CD. And then, when a song came on the radio, she said
"Hey, this song isn't popular, what is it doing on the radio?" It kind
of shows the state of music today, eh? If it's not popular, it doesn't
belong on the radio. \

XTC Content: Theres this band called xtc, and they've got these cool
songs, and I like to tlisten to them. maybe you've heard of them.

Kevin Diamond
"Oh my dear, I find myself a stich short of a tapestry"



Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:56:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Misty Shock <>
Subject: The dancing about architecture debate
Message-ID: <>

<<Hi all, found this on Alan Scotts Quotes Page
Apparently no one is sure about this one.>>

I thought I'd chip in that I was looking at a rock quote book this last
weekend, and they did attribute it to Elvis.  Something tells me that,
alas, we'll never know one.

Behind on digests, so this might have been settled already...
Misty Shock

"No round of drinks can extinguish this feeling of love and engulfing
bliss."						--Andy Partridge


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:29:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: why we agree to disagree (or something)

I rarely see as much disagreement in
say, the catalogues of The Beatles or They Might Be Giants or (don't
laugh!) The Monkees...

You might see some disagreement if I were on a Monkees list. My
favorite song of theirs is 'Zilch'.

Seriously, though, I chalk up a lot of the disagreement about XTC songs
on this list to what we like about XTC, or how we discovered them. I,
for example, got into them because they were lumped into the new wave
scene, and I just ate that stuff up during highschool and most of
Other people on the list seem to have discovered XTC through their love
of good pop music. The Beatle-esque parts of the XTC catalog appeal
most to these folks. I recall talking to someone at Andy's signing in
CHicago in Feb. who can't tolerate anything from the new wave yet loves
XTC. I thought it was somehow contradictory until I realized that this
person had found XTC through Beatles fans who recommended Skylarking.
This group seems to accomidate people with a wide variety of musical
tastes. That makes this list more interesting.


Message-ID: <001801bef5dd$06327460$0f298ad1@funtosplamisham>
Subject: sunflower/fashion-plate andy
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:22:03 -0400

ok, i know there are some beach boys fans around here!  i am searching for
"sunflower" on any format.  if you have it and are willing to sell, ill buy
it.  if you have and arent willing to sell, i want to tape it off of you.
if i dont hear this album soon, im going to fucking explode.  thank you. :)
ps- if youve got "holland" and "surfs up" (which ive got, but ive listened
to too often and its starting to make funny noises where it shouldnt) then
ill be glad to tak(p)e those as well.  love you all.
pps- dig andy in that residents shirt in that book about xtc which most of
us own.  its nifty.


Subject: Stop that, it's silly! Off you go!!
Message-Id: <0006800014719534000002L042*@MHS>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:51:58 +0200


HAH!!  Got ya!!!  Of course, I love reading Harrison's posts as much as the
next guy, but something about that last bunch in #263 piqued my interest.
Okay, the Chaucer was well-researched and nearly flawless (although I
wonder if he went back far enough, I thought there was some mention of the
topic in the heroic poem "Beowulf, Episode 5: die mihtig architektuere
taenzah baekke").

Bu-hutt: we were probably meant to think that "Complaining about lists is
like shaving your legs about Volkswagens" was a Harrison original -- and
yes, it is deep -- but somehow, when I read it, it seemed to strike a
familiar chord.  So I decided to investigate and tapped into the website
"Quotable quotes", Al S.  Quothee's fantastic and excruciatingly useful
page at:

I found the quote to be attributed to numerous, completely diverse
individuals, including:

Harrison Ford  - 34 times

George Harrison  - 33 1/3 times

Rex Harrison - 7 times (attributed to him at least once by Mr. Ed, another
time by Eddie Murphy)

The George O'Hara-Smith Singers - 3 times

Tina Weymouth - 2 times

Harrison, NJ - 1 time

Joe Krishna - 0 times

Timothy Leary - 43 times
In my eyes, the arguments for Leary are definitely the most persuasive
evidence thus far, despite the fact that a few of the attributions (42)
were associated with a slight variant on the theme:  "Wow, man, look at the
colors!"  I support this hypothesis on the following basis:
1) I know for certain that it is a *fact* (my brother told me) that, No
(no-no-no), Leary is NOT outside looking in, he is *dead*.
2) Leary is associated with other amazing quotes ("Tune up, drop in, turn
left") that are also cool.
3) Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is not about LSD, but about a girl named
Lucy flying cross-country with our very own Kevin Diamond in the same
(astral?) plane.
4) Because I said so.

So there we are.  Can't pull the wool over *my* eyes!

- Jeff "I did" Thomas

PS - Q: Would I like to read more posts by Harrison?  A: Sherwood!

PPS - On an entirely different note, my quote of the day (by Brooke
Shields, of all people!): "Complaining about lists is like wearing Calvin
Klein underwear about Volkswagens."

PPPS - I'm fresh out of Charizards.  Perhaps we could work a deal with some
of my other tradeables: a Bicentennial set of bladeless knives without
handles, or my collection of assorted contact lenses with frames, or -- for
the lady in your life -- some top-chic gownless evening straps.  Let me


From: "Damian Wise (Foulger)" <>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:48:09 -0500
Subject: World Party
Message-Id: <>

Molly wrote:
> started listening.  I just love the songs: Giving It All Away and What Is
> Love All About?.  What do you guys and gals think of World Party?

I have to say that World Party is top banana.  While their other
albums are good, Bang! stands out head and shoulders above
them as an example of pop styling we don't see often on this
planet.  One song, And God Said, would have made Andy proud
(and the Christian Right angry) if he'd written it.

Dames tWd

'Real' is an adjective and 'Really' is an adverb.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:17:07 -0400
Subject: World Party, a leetle xtc content

Molly asks:

<<What do you guys and gals think of World Party?>>

Well, I'm sure I'm not the first to get back to you on this one Molly, but
the previous two were much better than Bang,
which I was sorely disappointed in. Private Revolution, and Goodbye Jumbo
they are called. A nice variety of sounds,
and some influences clearly on display...

Of course, I'm certainly not telling you to BUY THEM...LOL!!

To inject a little XTC content: I have a sampler CD with six tracks on it,
one of which is "Dear Madam Barnum". Don't know
if there is an avid xtcollector out there who "needs" this, if so, e-mail
me back privately...


NP: Joni Mitchell, "The Magdalene Laundries", live in Ontario 10/30/98


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:37:30 -0700
Subject: Re: to be or not to be

>I was wondering if anyone can think of another band that has used
>as much do do do doooo de da do do do's in their songs.

i can't think of any right now but that old 'de do do da' song by the
police. but my fave example from an xtc song is the backing vocals on
'season cycle' which is really more of woo-hoo-woo than do-da-do, but i
think youi know what i mean.

bob wrote:
>My complaint would be that on the whole the covers are
>very unimaginative; they seem to exist more as duplications
>instead of interpretations. One noteworthy exception is the
>Ruben Blades' "Man Who Sailed around his Soul"

which is almost the same thing i wrote in response to the 'testimonial
dinner' question.
pinch poke you owe me a coke, bob.

I have touched the grass
so green on the other side,


Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:00:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrea Lynn Rossillon <>
Subject: scat singing in rock'n'roll!
Message-ID: <>

> Something else on my mind......
> I was listening to various albums and songs the other day and I was
> wondering if anyone can think of another band that has used as much do do
> do doooo de da do do do's in their songs. (Let's call it scatting (as in
> the Jazz phrase) because that's all I can think of calling it.)  I know
> it's one
> Rob Macdonald
> Victoria, B.C.

Rob and listmates:

The band Too Much Joy uses LOTS of lalala, doodoodoodoodado, schoobity bop
bop.  What makes their use of it really interesting is that they are a
heavily Clash-influenced band.  Unfortunately, their first four albums are
out of print, because they pissed off their recording label, and their
fifth, _Finally!_ was banned in some areas, and there are both "clean" and
"dirty" versions of the album cover.

Too Much Joy is a really cool band, and their music is good, but I sold
all their albums when the boyfriend that got me into them in the first
place dumped me.  I kind of regret that now, but I have most of their
catalog memorized, so I still can sing 'em any time I want.



Message-ID: <>
From: Jill Oleson <>
Subject: need not be present to enter
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:57:53 -0500

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"If we'd all breathe in and blow away the smoke..."

What kind of smoke is this?  What's it a metaphor for?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Sample Answers:  You guess which Chalkers supplied them.
* ------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. "Metalhead effluent from a million bong hits."

2. "Like wow, man, it's the smoke from my father's nuclear
    power plant!"

3. "smoke gets in your eyes
     your meat pies
    curious (but dead) flies"

4.  "There's no smoke in this god-forsaken place, only dust."

5. "I dont see why your talking a bout metaphores.
     I didnt majer in english you nknow."

6. "duh"

7. "Don't try to analyze XTC lyrics unless you're British."

8. "When I asked Andy about this, he just laughed and
     said the Internet's full of dullards and idiots."

9. "Researching the subject, I found that according to a
    certain, but rare Gregorian chant, that the phrase can
    only be interpreted as "yadda yadda yadda. *Also spelled

10. "kurdt wrote metefers 2"

11. "There's beauty in them there metaphors."

12. "It's not really smoke.  It's a veil covering a dead
      bride's face."

13. "I won't pretend to be an expert here, but as I recall
      Phil Collins used similar imagery in his previously
      unreleased hit single "Ever Loving You.""

14. "Es muy facile--es nada!"

15. "Let's stop bickering.  Can't we all just enjoy the smoke?"

16.  "This week's forbidden topic:  Easter Theatre Smoke"


Message-ID: <002401bef63f$bc503c20$>
From: "Andisheh Nouraee" <>
Subject: XTC Interview In Real Audio
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:08:40 -0400

Here's a link to a RealAudio interview with Andy and Colin (March 1999)
from the KCRW radio show, Morning Becomes Eclectic.  It's a neat career
overview and, not surprisingly, quite funny at times.  It's almost an hour
long, with no commercials.  Hooray! has a bunch of very good interviews archived from the same
radio program.  There's a big alphabetical list if you click on the "In
Studio" link on

XTC Interview:

	[ See also ]


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