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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 233

                  Thursday, 15 July 1999

Today's Topics:

                       This Is Pop?
     In those days they were called walking birds....
                       Missing link
                  Andy's Songs for Kidz
              Apple Venus Vol 1 PART 2!!!!!
                      XTC on Lexicon
             The The/O.Rang/XTC, Space Ghost
                    The Death of Rock
                         The Rain
                  The Natural Connection
    The Oracle disdaineth XTC (but any PR is good PR!)
                Stream of Subconsciousness
            Sick, Dude! (minimal XTC content)
                  Duffy doffs his hat...
                Putting *The Move* on XTC
Apple Venus Volume 1 Version 2 and a Harvest Festival collection
                    A Bit Of A Shower
                  Joe's Jive was Jumpin'
                 Andy Partridge interview


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Message-ID: <>
From: "damian marley" <>
Subject: This Is Pop?
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:09:34 PDT

Men, Women and Children of the Chalkhills,

Dan wrote:-

>alot of new pop or "alternative" music i hear nowadays just
>doesn't sound that fresh or interesting or even offensive to me. maybe
>its all about hip-hop? is that where the new ground is being broken now?

A highly interesting point.  Let me ramble on.  What is the answer?  Are we
just a pack of old fogies who stick to what we know?  Or is it true that
innovation has gone out of rock?

Well, there is no answer; it all blends into grey (but don't worry, I'm not
trying to sell anyone a world wrapped in grey).  My Dad, for example,
firmly believes that rock n roll died in the plane with Buddy Holly.  He
thinks The Beatles suck.  I could have gone down the same path and made
myself believe that rock n roll (and a lot of other things) died with Frank
Zappa - but how could I do that, when we still have bands like XTC and
albums like AV1 . . .  XTC, of course, now being a "veteran" band.

Some bands grow old and get stale.  Other bands mature along the way (in my
humble opinion, XTC albums keep getting better).  I think bands can be old,
grey and fat and still be innovative, and still be rockin'.  That's why
teenagers (such as our 13 year-old friend) are still finding XTC exciting.

As for the new "alternative" stuff - I agree that a lot of it seems dull,
tedious and uniform.  The "expected" guitar sound.  The "proper" laid back
vocal.  The "trademark" gritty lyrics.  Alternative to what?  Maybe it's an
alternative to INTERESTING.  It's not in the interests of radio stations
and record companies to have too much divergence from the alternative norm
(a classic contradiction), because crikey, they have to get their mass

Thank the Greenman for XTC.  They sound astoundingly fresh and different.
They make a habit of breaking ground.  Some people are content with their
back catalogue of Buddy Holly LPs.  Others need to keep abreast with what's
hot and new.  Still others delve into the past while keeping an ear out for
the new.  Aaah, who cares - we should all follow our noses. We all have one
life to seek out and listen to the pop which turns us on (among other



Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:56:29 -0700
From: Adam Tyner <>
Subject: Homespun

I was perusing tonight and came across a couple of
interesting XTC releases.  We've all known about the AV1 demo project for
quite some time, but this is the first I've seen of a title & release date.
(Apologies if this has already been posted; I'm on vacation and haven't had
time to read the digest as thoroughly as usual.)

   Homespun (Apple Venus Vol. 1 Version 2), 2LP $21.99
Release Date: 27-Sep-99

  Homespun (Apple Venus Vol. 1 Version 2), 2CD $23.99
Limited special release of XTC's brilliant 1999 album "Apple Venus Vol 1".
This special double cd will feature "Apple Venus Vol 1" in its original
form, while the second CD includes demo versions of all of the tracks.
Release Date: 27-Sep-99



Message-ID: <010b01becd11$170e3de0$ef3d883e@atidy>
From: "Adrian Ransome" <>
Subject: In those days they were called walking birds....
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:20:44 +0100

In "old music for young people" (#5-231) Dan wrote :-

>I'm just curious if there is still such a
>thing as truly underground, alternative, independent music that a 30 yr
>old could hear and scoff & say "why, that's not even music!"

Hip-hop/jungle/ambient/trance/trip-hop/drum'n'bass (and suchlike other
variants) symbolise todays 'New Wave' of music IMHO.
It has the same 'DIY' element as Punk/New Wave; it can be thrown together
at home (on a half decent PC), you don't have to be technically proficient
(musically) to play it, and it mostly appeals to those under 25. (No doubt
at this point I've upset Chalkhills' sole 45 yr old LTJ Bukem fan). To
those over 25 it sounds like a steel mill at full pelt.

What baffles me as a thirty-something music fan is the continued rise of
what is now known as R'n'B.(think PuffDaddyAnTiChrisT as opposed to BB
King). I can't see how someone rapping about "chillin' wi' ma homies on da
El Bee Zee" (or whatever) can connect with a disaffected Kappa-clad
teenager on a rainy street corner in Rhyll, let alone a grizzled old fart
like me. It says nothing to me about my life and perhaps it's not meant to.
I don't go out much anyway, what with beer tuppence a pint and Zeppelins
bombing London.
I'll just sit in my comfy chair wit ma Horlicks chillin' to Harvest
Festival thank you very much!

Expanding on the slender XTC related content, can someone please shed light
upon Mr Moulding's 'Washaway'; "But a thousand Yorkshire Puddings couldn't
make his business boom"? I don't get the connection between frozen
milk-based dessert and the impact upon its sales made by a Northern England
baked batter product. Enlighten me please.


Goodbye Damon


From: "Peter Jarrett" <>
Organization: S.O.A.S.
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:01:07 GMT
Subject: Missing link
Message-ID: <>

Seeing Martin Newell and Robin Hitchcock's names coming up on the
list so often (quite rightly) I couldn't help thinking it was about
time Captain Sensible got a mention (no seriously - for those who only
know Happy Talk and Wot).  Newell and Hitchcock have both been co-
writers on his records and I'm pretty sure he's done some kind of
musical somethings with Andy too.

Anyway, just to say: if you like the pure pop end of the XTC spectrum
(something like The Disappointed) you're almost sure to benefit from
listening to his stuff.  Although it can be dangerous to make
assumptions about what people are getting out of music even if they
like the same group.  Did I really read someone claim that Ball and
Chain was their favourite a while back?  Is this possible?  Surely
that was just an intentional wind-up.  But then again I think "The
Last Balloon" is the perfect ending for AV1...

Bye for now  -  PJ


Message-Id: <s78b07c5.052@OAG.STATE.TX.US>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:32:21 -0600
From: "Steve Oleson" <Steve.Oleson@OAG.STATE.TX.US>
Subject: Andy's Songs for Kidz

In an interview on Austin's KLBJ FM (during the O&L tour), Andy was
teasingly chided about his apparent happiness, given the general tenor of
his O&L compositions, and asked if it was because of his familial bliss.
Andy said something to the effect that: no, he was not going to get all
sicky, like some recording artists do when they have kids. He then launched
into a parody of one of those songs. Quite funny!

But then he said (seriously) that he didnt intend to write those kinds of
songs, but that the kids: " creep in there, don't they." He cited
Chalkhills & Children as an example. and that you cant help but be
influenced by major changes in your life, kids being a major change.

My question is this-
Who was Andy singing Mayor of Simpleton to? Marianne, or Holly?

I had originally thought that it was to Marianne, but after I learned to
play it on guitar, and began playing it to our baby daughter, I became
convinced that it was written for his daughter. Projection? Maybe, but if
seen in that light (the acoustical version played live on radio stations
during the tour) Mayor of Simpleton is a really sweet, touching song.

Andy- sing another one for the Utes!

Steve "Daddy" Oleson
Austin, TX


Message-ID: <>
Subject: Apple Venus Vol 1 PART 2!!!!!
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:07:12 +-9-30

Fancy the Apple Venus Vol 1 demos on CD or double vinyl?

My mate at Big Star Records in Adelaide advises me he has sighted these very
gems on an upcoming release schedule for Cooking Vinyl (and he's pretty

The release date is sometime in September and they will be know as APPLE

Has anybody else heard this?  Let hope its true.

Gray Packham
Adelaide, Australia


Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:18:47 -0400
Subject: XTC on Lexicon
Message-ID: <>

I just wanted to let people know that there's an article about XTC in the
current issue of The Lexicon.  I'm not sure if anybody mentioned this
though.  If anybody did I'm sorry.  Here's the URL:  I'm not sure if you
have to be a VIP or not.



Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:30:21 -0400
Subject: The The/O.Rang/XTC, Space Ghost
Message-ID: <>

I've never heard The The, but I know Matt Johnson has worked with O.Rang
(spin off band of Talk Talk).  Maybe I should ask Lee Harris (a member of
O.Rang) if he's ever thought about working with XTC.  That would be
interesting an O.Rang/XTC combo.  Hehehehe.
I'm also curious about when Andy and Colin are going to be on Space
Ghost.  I keep checking the web site, but no luck yet.  Does anbyody



Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:21:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: nross <>
Subject: hip

In response to:

From: "Drew MacDonald" <>
Subject: Oh well that's this world over

>>hip-hop has decisively supplanted "rock" as the pop music of the Now and
of the foreseeable future.<<

 Dude, I don't agree with you.
 I will bet it will be a return to the non-new-wave 80'sish sound like
debi gibson... hey, maybe its britney spears do you think?
Hip hop has too much to it for the general public to accept.

New Kids on the block = Back street boys... its like capri pants.

>> Hip-hop, along with its various substyles and offshoots, is by far THE
music of choice of rebellious teenagers as well as the rest of the core
popular-music-consuming public. <<

Lots of "rebellious" teens listen to Korn or Tool, too you know.

And then theres Goth and then theres this electronica stuff, etc.

Hell, Country is becoming more popular. Why don't we just say that
Country is the new pop.

>>It is also maturing into a true artists' medium (Lauryn Hill is NOT just
hype -- listen to her record, Chalkhillers, and be expanded!).<<

This IS a really good album.

>>But so what?<<


>>Rock has had its day -- an artificially extended day at that, thanks
to the huge size and clout of the baby-boomer population segment. <<

Ahhhh, no.

It will always be around, in some form. Puffy does "rock".

Puffy... now THAT'S an appropriate name.

- Nicole

Nicole's internet music station:

Why was I born with such contemporaries?
-- Oscar Wilde


Message-ID: <>
From: "Will Lewis" <>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:01:24 GMT
Subject: The Death of Rock


Your comment, "...hip-hop has decisively supplanted "rock" as the
pop music of the Now and of the foreseeable future." has inspired
me to strongly dissagree with you. Hip-Hop belongs to a family of
which Rock is the nucleus. Just as Young Country (blech) is a member
of the Country and Western Fam. Rock will always exist (at least
until the next ice-age) and it will inspire many children and
grandchildren. But I'm afraid your comment is like saying that
grizzly bears will replace mammals. They are on two different levels
of existence.

Will in Dallas


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:16:09 -0700
From: Rich Bunnell <>
Subject: The Rain

>As the song came to a close, I noticed how the hypnotic drum beats
>departed and were gradually replaced by a sort of dribbling, static,
>white noise.  I was impressed not only by the distorted sounds
>symbolising (to me) rain sputtering out of a dirty gutter in a sort of
>winter wasteland, but also impressed by how ahead of it's time this
>'outtro' (reverse of intro?) was.

Nope, nothing that profound or anything--it's just a recording of Steve
Lillywhite's shower head, according to Song Stories.

>Think about it......when you listen to 'Black Sea'....doesn't the music
>and the production sound like it was just recorded yesterday?  I'm
>always startled at how fresh this album is.

The music isn't layered or exuberant enough to sound truly like it was
recorded these days but it definitely has the best production of any
pre-Skylarking album.

* ----------------------------------------------
Rich Bunnell or "Taoster Man"--No, it's not a typo
"Some albums that come out today only have ten songs, or less! This
makes us angry. But instead of cursing the darkness, we've done
something about it. We put out an album with 19 SONGS. And that's why
OUR album's better." --They Might Be Giants
* ----------------------------------------------


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:39:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Susperia Five <>
Subject: The Natural Connection

Megan wrote:

well, I hadn't thought about it in terms of Andy's religion-- since,
tomy knowledge, he doesn't really have one-- but I do know what you
meanabout the pagan themes.  Greenman, Easter Theatre, Harvest
Festival-- lots of cyclical nature themes in there.  I've practiced
witchcraft for aboutnine years now, so I was pleased and surprised to
hear these themes.  Ididn't directly connect it with "religious"
beliefs, though.  Frankly, when Iwas in the Wiltshire countryside a
little last year, it made me feel particularly connected with nature
and things wiccan, etc.  Maybethat's just me, though.

Having had contact with with many folks in the British Isles,
particularly the rural areas, and being Wiccan myself, I've learned
that the Old Ways just seem naturally ingrained in the people.  Call
it ancestral memory or simply local traditions that span centuries,
but it's definitely prevalent.  I noticed the spiritual or Traditional
leanings of Andy when I listened to my first XTC purchase,
"Skylarking."  Since I had just started learning in the Craft, the
album became a sort of soundtrack to my lessons.  It may be of note
that the Rede on "Apple Venus" is more Wiccan and less traditional
Pagan in nature, coming from more modern sources.  Just a thought to
ponder when contemplating Andy's path.

The value of anything is how much it hurts ~~ Shriekback


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:55:46 EDT
Subject: The Oracle disdaineth XTC (but any PR is good PR!)

Hi, Chalkers,

The Internet Oracle [TM] is a feature where people submit
idiosyncratic queries of various degrees of silliness or, uh,
quirkiness, and get a reply, usually in kind, from their fellow
seekers.  It's all rather collective, although there are
moderators to help cull for quality Q's & A's.

Get very silly at:

Anyway, here's what popped up in response to a search on
"XTC", which I include here for your doubtful amusement:

The Usenet Oracle has pondered your question deeply.
Your question was:

> Oh great Oraclo, whose hair could outsmart even Albert Einstein, yowza
> yowza yowza unto thee.  The thought of squash makes me sexually excited.
> Zucchini is pretty intense also, watermelons turn me on, but butternut
> squash is *it* for my sexuality.  Is this bad?  Should I get a sex
> change?

And in response, thus spake the Oracle:

} I hate it when people don't give me enough information.  How can I
} tell if you need a sex change if I don't know what kind of sex you
} are?  What do you expect: a multiple choice answer?  Oh well, it's
} been a slow afternoon at Oracle Central today, so what the hell:
} -----------     ---------               ---------
} None            Penis Envy              Radical "Mayonnaise" Liposuction
} XX              Horny                   Come to Oracle Central sometime
} XY              Incurably insane        Massive doses of Vitamin C
} XTC             Tone Deaf               Massive doses of rock groupies
} X11             Nerd                    Massive doses of bitblt's
} V8              Vegetable Juice         Pound Hand Against Forehead


Apparently, the Oracle doesn't care for Andy's experiments in
"open E" tuning -- presumably, it favors the Aeolian scale?

Enquiring minds stick with entrails-reading,


Message-ID: <005701becd83$ac7dfba0$>
From: "Victor Rocha" <>
Subject: Stream of Subconsciousness
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:01:42 -0700

RE: the water sound at the end of Travels In Nihilon

after giving it some more thought I've come to the conclusion that the
water sound at the end of Travels In Nihilon is Religion and Fashion
pissing on our heads........or maybe it's us pissing away the time?
Victor Rocha

Travels, travels in Nihlon
we've seen, no Jesus come and gone


Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:42:17 +1000
Subject: Sick, Dude! (minimal XTC content)

>>Victor Rocha writes:
>>> What's that sound at the end of Travels in Nihilon?
>>> is someone taking a leak?


>>Interesting!  Never thought of that, but as I had 'Black Sea' next to my
stereo I had to pop it in to listen to the end of the song.  Yes, it
could definitely be a urine 'sample' (ha ha) looped over and kind of could just be a real weirdo. (grin)

Early CD pressings of the album "1977", by Irish group Ash, had a "secret
track" tacked onto the end of the album, and there can be no question as to
what *that* noise is. Basically, it's about ten minutes' worth of the band
members getting drunk and vomiting (perhaps they got the idea from "Black
Sea" and decided to put their own spin on it....). Revolting, but strangely
amusing at the same time - I think EMI (?) have since re-issued the album,
and sadly, "Sick Party" has been omitted.

FLINTstones, MEET the Flint....oh, goddammit!!



Date: 14 Jul 99 14:44:58 AES
Subject: Duffy doffs his hat...
Message-ID: <>


Stephen Duffy, with whom Andy has worked in the past, has reconvened his old
group, The Lilac Time and they've recently released a new album, "Looking For
A Day In The Night".  Its simple, pastoral beauty and overt Englishness is
bound to appeal to those of you who admired these same qualities in AV1.

In a recent interview given for a Japanese music magazine, Duffy had this to
say about Andy:

Q:  And by the way, Andy Partridge, has also recently released a new XTC
album. Have you listened to it yet? What do you think about it?

     I think he is one of the few geniuses, really, of English music.
     He's an amazing writer but beyond that he has a musical
     ability, and a singing voice that is far better than most people
     in England. He is incredibly talented. I think that people are
     used to far more inferior talents than what Andy has. I think
     that he's just dazzlingly brilliant.

Q:  Are you still in touch with him at all?

     Well, yes, occasionally. I mean we worked together on "I
     Love My Friends", which was a kind of year ago, we are both
     on the same label over here.

...the full interview can be found at:



Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:50:18 -0700
From: Yoshiko Yeto <>
Subject: Putting *The Move* on XTC

Fellow Chalkhillians:

Greetings!  I've been quite reluctant to reveal another musical
predilection.  However, John Riordan's recent posting regarding ELO
prompted me to make another admission.  I absolutely adore The Move.  I'm
particularly fond of "Hello Susie", "Cherry Blossom Clinic", "Fields of
People", "What?", and "Open Up Said The World At The Door".  All of the
aforementioned songs boast incredible hooks and wonderful, yet distinctly
skewed musicianship.  My beau, who is a huge XTC fan himself, is distinctly
horrified by this obsession because it veers me towards the heretofore
largely uncharted territory of progressive rock.  Although, I was a great
fan of King Crimson in my late teens.  Is anyone else remotely or vaguely
interested in them, meaning The Move?

Regarding the Monkees movie, "Head", it was lovely jaunt to revisit at the
American Cinematheque.  I hazard to guess that I saw the movie at least 20
times in my teen years in ye goode olde 80's.  It truly is a cohesive,
brilliant film, which has some startling parallels to such "Marxist" Godard
films as "Two or Three Things I Know About Her" or "Weekend".  Mr. Dolenz,
who participated in a dialogue with the curator of the film series, sported
a serious comb-over combined with a Steven Segal-esque ponytail.  He seemed
a bit embittered by the Monkees experience, but was genuinely proud of
their only cinematic endeavor.

Here's a question to all you Californians: Do any of you hear Ray Davies
sing "God bless Huell Howser" in "The Village Green Preservation Society"?

That's it for the incessant ramblings of a madwoman!


Mlle. Malady "hey you, fuzzy wuzzy" Nelson

"Insect bomber Buddhist droning"
---the only XTC content of this posting


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:51:38 +0200
Subject: Apple Venus Volume 1 Version 2 and a Harvest Festival collection


Last week I pointed my browser to to find out that
"Apple Venus Vol 1 Version 2 (Double Album)" is due to be released in
september 1999, for the Discount Price of #128.45 (according to yahoo
that's about US$ 211 or 196.83 Euro). And it looks like there will also be
an lp version for the same price.  Now I don't know about you all, but for
me that is a big amount of money.  For that amout I expect the items to be
at least hand-numbered and signed, packed in a big hand-made box, including
high quality pictures and a big book with all the lyrics and who plays what
on which song. And I hope Andy and Colin are collecting their
nail-clippings and facial hair to be included somewhere in there too ;-)

I didn't put it in my shopping bag, yet :-(

To end with a more upbeat message: the label Harvest has a collection out
to celebrate that they're around for 30 years or so. The good thing is that
it's called 'Harvest Festival'! Don't know much about the artists that are
included but you can be sure XTC is *not* one of them.



Message-Id: <>
From: "Mark R. Strijbos" <>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:58:38 +0200
Subject: A Bit Of A Shower

Dear Chalkers,

First things first:

> What's that sound at the end of Travels in Nihilon?

AFAIK this one is answered in the Song Stories book also but anyway:
it's supposed to sound like rain but in reality it's the multitracked and
'doctored' recording of a shower - think it was the shower from the
apartment the band were staying in during the B.S. sessions.

>  Just wanted to congratulate Mark S and Duncan K. These two have
>  shown everybody how to have two differing opinions of something and
>  to have a friendly discussion about it, without ripping each others
>  heads off.

Thank you...  i always try to avoid mutilating my honourable opponents
on this forum. I've said it before but i'll say it again: in this cold and
darkened world we xtc fans are too few and far between; we need each
other to keep the fire burning.

And truth is that if i had known that Duncs' doubts about this release
were for a large part financially motivated i would've kept my gob shut -
there's no arguing with an empty wallet.

While we're on the subject of personal finances and xtc releases:
Looks like the AV demo double cd extravaganza that is scheduled for a
November release is going to be just a tad expensive...
I'm not sure at all if this is true or just an ugly rumour but a "street
price" of 180 Pound St. (gasp!) was mentioned so we'd better all start
saving right away.

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos @ The Little Lighthouse


Date: Wed, 14 Jul 99 10:35:51 EDT
From: Jeff Rosedale <>
Subject: Joe's Jive was Jumpin'
Message-ID: <CMM.>

Last night I heard Senses Working Overtime, played live.

Joe Jackson on piano/vox (playing choppy brief little riffs that were
either supposed to emulate guitar string plucking or hearken back to
Barry Andrews' staccato style); Graham Maby on bass (did a very
respectably loopy Colin imitation); Gary Burke on drums (ordinarily
very creative but left me hankering for the dearly departed Terry!).

In his intro, Joe named XTC as one of his favorite groups and
specifically Andy as one of his favorite songwriters.

It was great fun.  By the way, the rest of Joe's show was sublime;
catch the August performances at "Joe's Pub" (Public Theatre, Lafayette
Street, NYC) in August if you're in the neighborhood.  Who knows, he
may play Statue of Liberty!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:49:31 +0200
Subject: Andy Partridge interview

Hi all,

An exclusive interview with A.P appears in the summer issue of "Factory"
Spanish music magazine. Most of its content was already known for me,
but there are some bits of little revelations, which I'll try to
translate here:

(...) We chose Cooking Vinyl because they were happy letting us doing
just what we wanted.

(...)In the past Virgin refused whole albums because they didn't see
them good enough, without hits, or just because they contained too many
songs : Mummer, Nonsuch, O&L .

(...)Ray Davies was one of the biggest influences, I think he's
sensational.(...) It's curious but I don't know him in person.

(...)What is your favourite album? Oh my god !  I think Skylarking is a
good album, and also ... I have a special affection for  The Big Express
, but definitely the last four are my favourites. We've been making
better albums each time, I really didn't expect this.
I thought we would go getting worst until our total disappearance, but
now I think just the opposite thing.

(...)Do you have any intentions of bringing The Dukes of the
Stratosphear back to life ?No, but I want to record different kinds of
music as anonymous. I enjoy working that way, it's like lying... and
,artistically meaning, lying is funny.

(about A Testimonial Dinner) ...some of the covers are splendid, even
better than the originals although I must confess that other versions
are awful.
Sarah McMachlan's Dear God is excellent, and Ruben Blades' TMWSAHS is
marvelous.This song just push me into driving and run (and I haven't
driver's license !)

(...) Drugs aren't creative, I'm against them.

Just wanted to share it with you,

Imanol Ugarte


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