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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 232

                  Tuesday, 13 July 1999

Today's Topics:

             Desparately Seeking Captain Andy
          do you want to see XTC videos online?
                Old Chalkhills Sweatshirt
                      The same Mann?
              Thanks for the avi fruit, man.
              Oh well that's this world over
            If I Were a Rich Woman (hehehehe)
          catching up on all this damned e-mail
               XTC , Morphine and Mattacks
          SOMEday, MAYbe Fred will win the fight
                 GBV Now on the TVT Label
                         The La's
                       Space Ghost
                       Re: The The
                   That Wasn't Lemonade
                         GBV tour


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Message-Id: <>
From: "Shoalin" <>
Subject: Desparately Seeking Captain Andy
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:51:02 +0700

Song Stories states that Andy once got a cameo role as a spaceship pilot in
the DC comic book "Justice League of America" for mentioning the name of
the comic during his rap-like diatribe on "Melt the Guns."

Does anyone happen to which issue this was in??



Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:48:35 EDT
Subject: DAM!

In Chalkhills #229, B Blanchard <> said,

<<1)     I just spent three happy days in Amsterdam wearing my all
new small (phew!) black Phil Corless produced gorgeous XTC Apple
Venus T-Shirt.
2)     People stopped me in the street!
The above two statements are not at all related.>>

1) I just spent 6 wonderful days in Amsterdam, opting to wear my Phil
Corless produced  black CHALKHILLS T-shirt.
2) Prostitutes in the Red Light District stopped me!!
I had no relations!

Have to Gogh!
Paul :p)

PS) Only heard some Kinks while there, no XTC. :-(


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:27:17 -0400
From: Ian C Stewart <>
Subject: do you want to see XTC videos online?

What I wanna know is:
Do you want to see XTC videos online? The current technology allows for
a very primitive (ie: sucky) overall presentation, but it's still

I tried encoding a live rendition of "Snowman" using Real Encoder and
tried on every possible bandwidth option to get the video to come out
even remotely lifelike and it just couldn't happen. What COULD happen
though, is a sort of stained-glass effect or video that looks like a
long expressionistic painting that sort of jerks around in time with
nothing in particular. But if anyone is interested in seeing such a
thing, I'm perfectly willing to do the encoding!

Please respond to wanna see XTC video online even
though the quality blows?

Ian C Stewart


Message-ID: <00c901becbca$e80f4620$acdc93c3@genesis>
From: "john riordan" <>
Subject: ELO
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:26:33 +0100


You summed up the history pretty exactly.  Discovery was the one that
switched off the ELO buying impulse for me as much as New World Record had
turned it on.  All the albums I had were stolen in 1980 and I never had the
urge to replace them.  But recently I haven't been able to resist the
compulsion to find a copy of New World record on cd.  I've seen Out of the
Blue but I know it's wrong, even if it's a special edition.


Message-Id: <>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:10:34 -0600
From: Phil Corless <>
Subject: Old Chalkhills Sweatshirt

Cleaning out my closet..... I have a Chalkhills sweatshirt from a few years
back (the original, now retired, design), and have placed it on eBay:


  -- Phil


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:11:46 -0400
From: Gene <>
Subject: The same Mann?

The ties with Aimee Mann don't just end with Dave Gregory having been her
on-stage guitarist and off-stage companion a few years back.

I just read Jonathan Van Meeter's story on Aimee Mann in the Sunday NYTimes
Magazine (July 11), and in so many passages I could have swapped Mann with
Partridge. The article presents the larger picture around the old familiar
singer-songwriter recording artist vs. record exec struggle. In the end,
Aimee Mann closed the book on the big label for good (Interscope, formerly
Geffen, coincidentally) and is striking out on her own, hiring lawyers to
buy back her master recordings from the record company, starting her own
label (cuz she'd make more money from 70,000 of her own sales than 300,000
of theirs), and partnering with Liquid Audio to reach directly music fans
"online" like you and I. The latter is where xtc's own independent venture
may hang in balance, as I'm wondering how much Idea Records is taking
advantage of this increasingly crucial medium. I hope Andy's easy and
rather aloof dismissal of his Internet audience does not translate into
another missed opportunity in xtc's tortured career.

I am hoping (probably foolishly) that in his best efforts to see Idea
become a success, AP may put aside some of his long-standing qualms and
caveats and PROMOTE. Not necessarily tour, but a controlled live
performance or two after AV2 is released may go a long way not just for
album sales but for his label as a whole. I know, I know, Andy's aversion
to performing is much much more than a mere qualm, but could a fear of his
company's failure surpass a fear of the stage and microphone? Did he not
survive (and actually enjoy, to some degree) the Acoustic Radio Tour? This
is not a completely selfless wish, of course, but it does remain: after the
art, selling records IS a business no matter how you slice it, and I'm
curious what Andy and Colin are doing these days to feed their business,
and themselves. How's it all going, anyway? Any sales figures?

Concerned chalkizen,


Message-ID: <900822C71730D2118D8C00805F65765C78B8A4@EINSTEIN>
From: Jill Oleson <>
Subject: Thanks for the avi fruit, man.
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:14:06 -0500

Hey Bob Estus!

Thanks for sharing this URL with us:

I've loved the album for years, now I can love the movie as well!

As you said, Bob, "Hat's off to John Hedges, Dave Bregande
and Greg Singer for the running start."  I'm not sure what that
last bit means, but if these folks were involved in the making
of that little avi, then my hat's off to them too!

Love ya bunches,

Jill Oleson
Austin, Texas


Message-ID: <000b01becc16$606f3440$>
From: "Drew MacDonald" <>
Subject: Oh well that's this world over
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:26:48 -0700

No, (Chalkhills 5-231), you're not the Mayor of Simpleton. That
title belongs to those who still don't realize the by-now obvious truth:
hip-hop has decisively supplanted "rock" as the pop music of the Now and of
the foreseeable future. Hip-hop, along with its various substyles and
offshoots, is by far THE music of choice of rebellious teenagers as well as
the rest of the core popular-music-consuming public. It is also maturing
into a true artists' medium (Lauryn Hill is NOT just hype -- listen to her
record, Chalkhillers, and be expanded!).

But so what? We are now so far into the age of technologically-assisted
data-access and niche-marketing that it doesn't matter that
white-guys-with-electric-guitars are marginalized as a mass-media format.
Andy and Colin can cook this stuff up in their sheds and enough of us will
adore it, buy it and make it worth their while to continue.

Rock has had its day -- an artificially extended day at that, thanks to the
huge size and clout of the baby-boomer population segment. There is still
room for artistic exploration within the form, but let's all stop waiting
for the next Elvis/Beatles/Dylan/Sex Pistols to "save" the idiom. We are in
the late twilight of rock as a significant cultural force, but that doesn't
mean we can't enjoy the pretty sunset and then go sit around the bright
campfire of our choice.

Ouch. That metaphor just stretched so far that it broke and snapped back
into my eye.

-- Drew


Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:48:43 -0400
Subject: If I Were a Rich Woman (hehehehe)
Message-ID: <>

Now I have to agree with Dunks on that not everybody can afford or want
to buy everything XTC.  Why would I want to buy a single of a song that I
already have, just for the cover art?  I don't think so.  And most
imports do cost too much for me, but this doesn't mean I'm a lesser XTC
fan.  I still love the band just as much as the next person on this list.

Also, I think I've converted my brother to XTC.  He wants me to bring
home AV1 to listen to.  I can't believe it.  My brother has really great
tastes in music.  He got me into Styx, Queen and a lot of the classic
rock bands of the 70s.



Message-ID: <>
From: "Megan Heller" <>
Subject: catching up on all this damned e-mail
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:55:31 PDT

well, here's a go at the last week--

Wisemoon pondered--
>What religon are the members of xtc... i noticed that many of the new
> >album themes seen EXTREMLY pagan... and with the Wiccan Rede on the >back
>cover of Apple Venus i wonder...... can you help??? :) thanks

well, I hadn't thought about it in terms of Andy's religion-- since, to my
knowledge, he doesn't really have one-- but I do know what you mean about
the pagan themes.  Greenman, Easter Theatre, Harvest Festival-- lots of
cyclical nature themes in there.  I've practiced witchcraft for about nine
years now, so I was pleased and surprised to hear these themes.  I didn't
directly connect it with "religious" beliefs, though.  Frankly, when I was
in the Wiltshire countryside a little last year, it made me feel
particularly connected with nature and things wiccan, etc.  Maybe that's
just me, though.

by the way, where I come from, "Moonie" means something very different.

Erik expressed--
>I would shit my perverbial pants if Marr did anything with

that would be quite a combo.  It would also be like a good part of my
adolescence getting wrapped up into a neat package.  Throw in any past
members of Bauhaus and it's done.

by the way, I also like The The, particularly "Infected" and "Dusk."

garret harkawik <> mused--
>Am I the only 13-year old xtc fan in the world?  It seems that way.

well, now you've done it, now a hundred chalkers are going to end up
relating their lonely days as an adolescent XTC fan.  What's worse, I'm
going to join them.

Honestly, though, know how you feel.  Ten years ago (omigod, you were 3,
I'm so old) I was the only 12 year old XTC fan in the world.  I got into
them when they appeared on Letterman and then the following week when
Partridge hosted the now-defunct "Postmodern MTV".  I was hooked.  I didn't
realize how few people seemed to know who they were at first, because,
coincidentally enough, my best friend at the time's 14 year old brother got
into XTC at just the same time.  So that was good-- it made up for the fact
that my best friend had started listening to New Kids on the Block.  Then I
moved out to Denver from Atlanta, didn't find any more XTC fans, was a
lonely and miserable goth listening to XTC and the Smiths and the Cure and
moping all over while wearing all black and having now friends.  Oh, yeah,
and I was fat.

So I hated my peers.  Junior high sucked.  But when I was 13, I started
taking the Little Express, the XTC newsletter.  When I was 14, I ran an ad
for penfriends.  I got a lot of penfriends.  Yeah, they ranged in age from
17 to 32, and they were all male, but it was great (an only child, I
suddenly felt like I had five older brothers).  I made friendships that
lasted for a long time (including one guy I'm still friends with after
eight years).  I got exposed to new music and lots of XTC rarities, meaning
I got some great tapes!  So, my route was to forget about my peers until
they caught up with me and just have older friends.  Of course, that's me,
and I've never been the most social duck in the pond.

What was I saying?  Okay, my mind's going.

Anyway, Ian Stewart mentioned--
>RIP Mark Sandman

thank you for saying that-- I was getting really ashamed of this list when
I was reading through several days' worth and saw nothing.  "Cure for Pain"
is one of the most amazing albums I've ever heard-- when I got it I
listened to nothing else for weeks.  I was really broken up about his
death, and he will definitely be missed.

Coincidentally enough, for those of you following along, Ian Stewart was
one of those kind penfriends I had when I was 14, who I ran into once I got
on this list.  It's a small world after all!

Finally, Dom is right about the new Cardiacs album-- it's fantastic.

aie, time for bed,


Message-ID: <000b01becc54$d0d212a0$7a5791d2@johnboud>
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: XTC , Morphine and Mattacks
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:59:32 +0900

Todd Bernhardt wrote :

>John Boudreau alerted us (me, at least) to the fact that Morphine's Mark
>Sandman had died. RIP indeed. Sad to lose such a distinctive musician in
>our cookie-cutter world. I'd recommend any of Morphine's albums to those
>interested, esp. the early ones featuring Jerome Deupree on drums. "Cure
>for Pain" is a great example of just how _cool_ the band is ... or, given
>the loss of their leader, was.

I happen to know Jerome Deupree . He is the one who e-mailed to inform me
Mark Sandman had died . You might be interested to read this from a
communique of a few weeks back . I had mentioned to Jerome that I was a
huge XTC fan :

>John...Here we go again...Andy and Colin eh?? Have we talked about XTC??
>They are among my favorite bands!!! I tried to contact them years ago to
>try and play on a record but I couldn't get it past the record
>company... Then when we went to Cropredy a few years back I got to meet
>Dave Gregory thru DM!....

Jerome is good pals with Mattacks ( I know Dave , too ) . You might also be
interested to know that DM did some recording with Mark Sandman back in
April just before he went on tour with Mary Chapin Carpenter .

By the way , Todd was right on about the first two Morphine recordings "
Good " and " Cure For Pain " . Definitely must haves for any XTC fan .
Also , check out Jerome on the Joe Morris Trio LP " Antennae " on Aum
Fidelity (AUM004 ) .On bass is Nate McBride of Soul Coughing . Joe Morris
on guitar .  Phew ...

John in Japan


Message-ID: <>
From: Todd Bernhardt <>
Subject: SOMEday, MAYbe Fred will win the fight
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:31:05 -0400


Mark and Dunks batted the following about:
>>And don't forget: there are no 'extra bonus tracks' available right
>>now; all the material that was recorded and finished during the AV1
>>sessions is already on the album.

>OK agreed - but as I said: surely Andy must have virtual cupboards full of
nice little synthy noodles for us to partake of. I assume he is saving the
best stuff for this purported demos album, but hey, Im not fussy.<

There are indeed "bonus tracks" -- what about "Dame Fortune"? "Bumper
Cars"?  "Prince of Orange"? And that's just from the first batch of recent
demos. If Mitch is correct, Andy and Colin will tragically omit "I Don't
Wanna Be Here" from AV2, (and, somewhat less tragically, "Ship Trapped in
the Ice").  And there are other demos, too, that could serve as bonus
tracks. Of course, as Dunks said, they could be saving them for Fuzzy
Warbles, but there've got to have a few bones they could throw our way.

Being a cheap bastard and proponent of the free market, I've got to agree
w/Dunks and Mark Fisher, respectively, on this one. What would be worth the
money, IMO, is the Japanese collection of all three
singles/demos/explanations on one CD that we heard tell about on the list
not too long ago. THAT would be cool.

And, from Dunks:
>the hilarious "Upright Citizens Brigade". It premiered here on Fox last
night and was every bit as funny as you promised.<

For Americans' info, it runs here on Comedy Central at 10:30 on Monday
nights. Watch it. Live it. All hail, Eris!!

>From Nicole:
>I'm sure Todd will have something to say about Andy making a
children's album.<

Have I _really_ become that predictable, pookie? Given my comments a few
posts later, I guess so...

Iain said:
>but every now and then, a melody comes floating up from my
subconscious to haunt me (something like "Sussudio" can get stuck in my
head for days until I wish I'd never been born - or, on the days when I'm
thinking more clearly, I wish Phil Collins had never been born<

Here's what works for me, Iain:
FLINTstones, MEET the Flintstones
They're the modernstoneage famileee
FROM the TOWN of Bedrock
They're a triprightoutta historeee...

Overpowers the most inane melody (fire w/fire, and all that -- but at least
it's not Phil Collins). Works every time.

And David Edwards said:
>It's this jokey-serious telling the world it's stupid - Living Through
Another Cuba, Scarecrow People, Peter Pumpkinhead, and so on - and
particularly this telling the world what shouldn't be said because `it's
not cool - people don't care any more, they don't try to change things
any more!' that has endeared XTC to me for years ... we know AP's
career-destructive/life-affirming heroic confidence is very much intact.<

Yes. YES.

Have a yabbadabbadoo time,


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:54:09 EDT
Subject: GBV Now on the TVT Label

Along with XTC on the TVT label comes Guided by Voices, which has a new
album due out in early August. It's produced by Rick Ocasek
(ex-Cars). Check these guys out; they claim to have written a thousand
songs and gosh, they do come up with some super hooks!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:19:53 +0000
Subject: Congratulations

Just wanted to congratulate Mark S and Duncan K. These two have shown
everybody how to have two differing opinions of something and to have a
friendly discussion about it, without ripping each others heads off.

I think some other people on this list ought to read their posts before
they launch themselves into a tirade of abuse when someone happens to take
an opposite view to themselves.

Well done chaps.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:51:59 EDT
Subject: The La's

Just a note...don't know if any xtc fans are also fans of the band The
La's, but if so their only album has been reissued with 8 bonus tracks as
an import. Also, if you're a La's fan you might want to check out Cast
which was established by the former bass player for the La's. They've got
2 or 3 albums out all of them highly recommended.

You can find the import for The La's at both CDNOW: Your Music. Your
Store. and's Music Store (Use John's site to access them.)


Message-ID: <>
From: "robert baumgartner" <>
Subject: Space Ghost
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:32:42 PDT

I distinctly remember hearing that Andy & Colin had taped an appearance on
"Space Ghost Coast-To-Coast". Anybody else heard that? And if so, when will
it air?
As for my favorite XTC cd's.....hmm.....tough one. I love 'em all from
"Drums & Wires" on..... my three favorites must be (in alphabetical order):
"Apple Venus V.1" ("Frivilous Tonight" is awesome), "Oranges & Lemons" and
"Skylarking". Maybe I should throw "Black Sea" & "Nonsuch" in there, too!
Ah, hell! So many great ones.
I hope I don't sound like I'm being unobjective when I say that XTC
combines the spirit of great bands like the Beatles, Beach Boys and Kinks-
yet what comes out is completely unique. I always get irritated when a new
band pops up and the press declares them as the "next big thing" or the
"new Beatles" (see: Oasis....sorry...they are mediocre at
best!). Meanwhile, XTC SHOULD have been getting much more credit from the
press than they have. I must say that I am quite gratified to read all of
the glowing reviews for "Apple Venus". It has to be considered one of the
great 90's CD's. If it doesn't make critic's year-end top 10 lists, well,
what would they put ahead of it?
Britany Spears?
Sorry to ramble on. XTC is #1!!!

Drowning Here In Summer's Cauldron (in humid SoCal),


Message-Id: <>
Subject: Re: The The
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:58:34 -0500
From: "K.D." <>

On 7/9/99 5:38 AM Shoalin wrote:

>> From: Erik Meyer <>
>> I was just wondering who else was a fan of the The.  I put
>> (them) up with the greatest,
>Sorry it took me a while to reply Erik but yeah...., The The (or more
>specifically Matt Johnson) I do indeedy hold in high reverence, especially
>Infected which I consider to be an awesome outpouring of emotion and
>artistic ability and one of the most underrated and overlooked albums of
>the 80's.  Even though Matt's songwriting was still up to scratch on Time
>Bomb and Dusk, the music got more acoustic and I felt it lacked the punch
>and power and originality of his earlier stuff and, hey..., now why does
>this complaint sound so bloody familiar???  (SOUND OF HEAD SLAMMING

I really like Matt's stuff. Infected is great (Out of The Blue (Into The
Fire) being a personal fave...huh, how much more pessimistic can you get
than THAT title?), and has it's moments of genius, but Dusk is my
favorite The The album. Pessimistic for the most part, but incredibly
beautiful and well-done. Not a "skip-over" song on there, IMO. And Lonely
Planet seems quite optimistic to me in a way.

>(Okay, I've been able to get used to and equally love the quieter later XTC
>music as well as their noisier and wilder early machinations, but this
>transition has not been as easy with The The.  I appreciate Matt's later
>work but not nearly as much as his earlier punchy stuff.)
>Anyone out there interested?  Soul Mining and Infected are highly
>recommend , but be prepared for what's been described by some critics as
>"feel bad music."

Hopefully the critics mean that perhaps Matt was feeling bad while
creating it. Because quite a bit of it is upbeat musically (if not
lyrically), and has a definite feel GOOD effect on me.

>From the subject matter of his lyrics, Matt Johnson is one very twisted
>and angry Mo' Fo' with a very negative outlook on things.  XTC cover
>everything; the highs, the lows, the in-betweens, but Matt appears to be
>near permanently fixated on a cosmic bummer, albeit an extremely
>well-produced one.  And why all the weird Arab shit on Time Bomb??  Did he
>really feel so guilty about being prophetic and writing a song about the
>Gulf War (Sweet Bird of Truth) 7 years before it happened that he pulled a
>Cat Stevens and converted to Islam??  One can only wonder...

I've only heard and do not own Mind Bomb, so I can't really recall the
themes at the moment. I do seem to recall that he's been open about his
beliefs (?!). I'm not up to looking around for websites, but If I am
remembering correctly it could be out there.

Regardless, I recommend highly every album he's done (on down to the
Solitude least one of which is quite funny to me...just took a
song and backed the lyrics with a toy-sounding Casio keyboard). He's
recently signed on with Trent Reznor's Nothing label on Interscope (Yay!
I love NIN, but we'll not go there) so we can expect more material

This non-XTC related post brought to you by:



Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:55:20 -0700
From: "May O'Mahoney" <>
Subject: That Wasn't Lemonade

Victor Rocha writes:
> What's that sound at the end of Travels in Nihilon?
> is someone taking a leak?


Interesting!  Never thought of that, but as I had 'Black Sea' next to my
stereo I had to pop it in to listen to the end of the song.  Yes, it
could definitely be a urine 'sample' (ha ha) looped over and kind of could just be a real weirdo. (grin)

It's a strange coincidence that you should now be noticing the end of
this song.  Just recently I was "tripping out" (pardon the phrase - I've
lived in California too long) on the end of Nihilon after a night of
over-indulgence......I was laying there on the floor in this kind of
burnt out stupor - late night - and I was keenly noticing the different
layers of this song.

As the song came to a close, I noticed how the hypnotic drum beats
departed and were gradually replaced by a sort of dribbling, static,
white noise.  I was impressed not only by the distorted sounds
symbolising (to me) rain sputtering out of a dirty gutter in a sort of
winter wasteland, but also impressed by how ahead of it's time this
'outtro' (reverse of intro?) was.

Think about it......when you listen to 'Black Sea'....doesn't the music
and the production sound like it was just recorded yesterday?  I'm
always startled at how fresh this album is.

Yours Truly,
aka The Girl That Will Be Camping Out At Chalkhills As The Muse Has
Abandonded Her For Now And The Only Thing Better Than Creating Music Is
Discussing It


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:01:50 -0600
Subject: GBV tour
From: "Bob O'Bannon" <>

>The Rumor is that GBV which is also on TVT is planning a 10 month tour and
>according to Tobin XTC was joining the tour!

This sounds fishy to me. I read recently that GBV was all signed up to do a
big ol' tour with Cheap Trick, not XTC. And don't we all know Andy well
enough by now to realize that this probably is NOT EVER going to happen? If
the surviving Beatles actually do get together and do this rumored Yellow
Submarine promotion, only then will I consider that maybe Andy too could be
talked into performing live. Until then, enjoy GBV (that's Guided by Voices,
BTW). Their new album, set for release Aug. 3, and with a real producer this
time (Ric Ocasek), should be a beautiful thing.

Bob O'Bannon


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