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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 217

                   Friday, 28 May 1999

Today's Topics:

                        XTC Videos
          Another Member Of The XTC Retail Club
           Off Topic - Man. U. v. Bayern Munich
                  alternative music cafe
                        Robyn Who?
                     Viva Las Swindon
                      The Visitation
   ... and here is a phonograph record of me saying it!
                  silentious appointment
                  This is Pop - the book
               Who were those Goons again?
            On the cover of "Record Collector"
           Grays, and really vague XTC content
                     Head Like a Hole
                        The Grays
          AUTOreverse AP DEMOS article, part one
                       Stoner witch
                      Ethel the Frog
                        XTC videos


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Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:54:09 -0500
Subject: Wow!

About six digests ago Debie Edmonds said:

I met up with Dave Gregory yesterday lunchtime (as he helped me choose my
new guitar at Kempster's), and he mentioned to me that he will be playing
live very soon in Swindon.  He has agreed to play with David Marx's band
"The Refugees" at the KosovAid Concert to be held on Sunday 30th May at The
Oasis, Swindon.  And guess what??  Barry Andrews will also be joining Dave
on stage to play keyboards!!  There are a number of other artistes
performing as well.


Dave AND Barry?  How lucky can the audience get?

You know, if Terry could join them that would make
one heck of a band.  Dave and Barry could do the
singing.  It'd be worth the price of admission to
see THEM tour together!  Debie- how about passing
that suggestion on to Dave?  Yes, I am being


P.S. Until this point I never realized that there
are now more ex-XTC members than there are current
XTC members.  Anyone in the same boat?


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:06:08 +0100
From: B Blanchard <>
Subject: XTC Videos

Sorry about this but I just want to let all the people know who
kindly emailed me that, although I have most if not all of the
XTC videos, I am not in the position to make copies (my copy is
not itself very good).  As a result of my posting about some of
the directors of some of the XTC videos, I received quite a bit
of mail from people asking if I could make them copies or if I
knew where they could get all XTC videos from. If there is anyone
out there who is in a position to make copies and sell them on
they could make themselves known? You clearly have a market out
there!  I am not in a position to do this for people.


Message-ID: <000c01bea7bd$eb00ac60$>
From: "Victor Rocha" <>
Subject: Another Member Of The XTC Retail Club
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:22:52 -0700

Hello Hillbillys,

well I did it! I've just finished repurchasing the entire XTC music
catalogue on CD.


why did I do this?

Because I can...........and besides the boys get a piece of it now.

Another Member Of The XTC Retail Club,
Victor Rocha


Message-ID: <001301bea7c4$f0109600$c3c856d1@mcuevashome>
From: "Mark Cuevas" <>
Subject: Off Topic - Man. U. v. Bayern Munich
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:13:07 -0700

Congratulations to Man. United for the incredible win over Bayern Munich
today. Two of my friends and I were in a Santa Monica, CA pub to watch the
match and by game time the place was wall-to-wall Man U. fans. When United
scored in the final minute the place absolutely erupted. Never have I heard
louder fans - in (American) football, basketball, or baseball. When United
went ahead 2-1, I thought the place would come apart.

Four pitchers of Bass and One of Boddington (bleechh), into it, we realized
we were seeing history being made. I can only imagine what Manchester is
like right now.


Subject: alternative music cafe
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:09:56 -0500
Message-Id: <36306.798568981484800.290@localhost>

There's a cool new cafe called Cinema Classics in New York's East
Village that features an alternative music format.  Plus they show
classics movies on 16mm every night for only $5!  Cinema Classics is
located at 332 East 11th Street (between 1st and 2nd Avenues) in
Manhattan.  They also have a Web site:


Message-ID: <>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Robyn Who?
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:59:39 PDT

I read that Robyn Hitchcock is coming to Australia soon. I hear his name
mentioned in hushed tones in these hallowed halls. Pardon my galactic-scale
ignorance but he is one of those artists whose name I know but whose work I
really don't. Vaguely remember hearing something or other by RH & the
Egyptians years ago - that's it.

Is he worth seeing? If so - why?



Message-ID: <>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Viva Las Swindon
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:12:38 PDT


Elvis Presley??

Singing XTC???

What a totally ridiculous concept.

Should fit right in next to my long-cherished dream-concept albums,
tentatively titled:

"La Fucking Stupenda: Joan Sutherland sings the Sex Pistols"



Message-ID: <>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: The Visitation
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:35:34 PDT

Was Andy PRXTCFAN *really* him?

To be honest, the reason I didn't give it any thought was that,
A) I misread his post and
B) oddly enough, I saw nothing unusual about there being a real XTC fan in
Puerto Rico - or anywhere else this world over.

I'm intruiged, but still skeptikal. Must be my atheist upbringing - I want

Doubting Dunks


Message-ID: <>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: ... and here is a phonograph record of me saying it!
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:36:33 PDT

From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Subject: Re: Monty Python

>Methinks that both MP and Beatles (in particular John!) owed a great
>deal to the Goon Show, the legendary British comedy show with (i
>think) Peter Cook & Dudley Moore.

Yes (and no).

Yes Lennon LOVED the Goons, as did everyone from that era - it was
phenomenally popular and immensely influential on generations of actors,
musicians, writers and comedians. The term "Goonish" has become part of the

It was really THE defining point of postwar English-language humour - the
first rea,l innovative break away from traditional sketch/situation/standup
models, and the first comedy program to really come to grips with, and
properly exploit, the full possibilities of the radio medium.

Yes, the Pythons have paid often tribute to the Goons, and to Spike
Milligan in particular. It was no accident that he turned up in "Life Of
Brian". In essence, what they were really doing was trying to translate
onto TV what the Goons did with radio. They have often acknowledged Spike
personally for the insights he gave - especially the realisation that a
sketch - or indeed the entire show - need not follow traditional "rules" of

I've heard them specifically mention Spike's early "Q" TV series and some
other BBC shows he did, where sketches or whole segments would suddenly
start - or end - with no apparent explanation or reason. This is typified
by Spike's famous device of having the sketch suddenly halt, and all the
actors walk out of shot chanting "What are we going to do now? ... What are
we going to do now?"

And I hate to be pedantic, but the Goon Show cast was Spike Milligan, the
late Peter Sellers, and Harry Secombe, and the scripts were mostly by
Spike, sometimes in collaboration with Eric Sykes, Larry Stephens(?) and

Peter Cook and Dudley Moore first appeared in the famous "Beyond The
Fringe" revue, which also featured Jonathan Miller and the wonderful Alan
Bennett (whose marvellous "Talking Heads" series is getting a rerun in
Australia from this Sunday on ABC). They became famous through their
three(?)  groundbreaking "Not Only, But Also..." TV series, most of which
was later erased by some penny-pinching arsehole at the BBC.

The Pythons (like so many other Brit comedians of the last 40 years) got
their start in the Cambridge Footlights revue, then went into telly,
working on topical comedies like "That Was The Week That Was" and "The
Frost Report", and jobbing away writing situation comedy and other stuff
like "The Two Ronnies" and "Doctor In The House". Mostly they worked in two
teams - Cleese/Chapman, Jones/Palin, and Idle wrote on his own I think. The
thing which brought them together and led into the Python series was the
legendary "Do Not Adjust Your Set" (1967-69) which also featured The Bonzo
Dog Doo Dah Band as the house band; this was the connection between the
Pythons and Neil Innes, who later did music for them and appeared as the
minstrel in "Holy Grail" singing the "Brave Sir Robin" song.

Sorry you asked, aren't you

Yours anally


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:52:17 -0700
From: Yoshiko Yeto <>
Subject: silentious appointment

Dear Chalkhillians-

Regarding the Rick Springfield inquiry posited at the fair gender, I will
neither confirm nor deny a predilection to the man, myth, or music in my
pre-teen years.

With complete immunity,

Malady Nelson, Esquirette


Message-Id: <l03130300b372d1eb1fda@[]>
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:45:06 +0000
From: Mark Fisher <>
Subject: This is Pop - the book

The new catalogue for Canongate Books lists a title called This is Pop: The
Life and Times of a Failed Rock Star to be published in September. It's by
someone called Ed Jones who was in a band called The Tansads that never got
anywhere (but were once supported by The Verve, Cast, Pulp, etc).

As far as I can tell from the blurb, there is no XTC connection apart from
the title, but it might be interesting to see when it is published.

- Mark


Message-Id: <>
From: "Tim Parsons" <>
Organization: Oblivion
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:23:43 +0100
Subject: Who were those Goons again?


A short note (probably one of dozens, but what the heck: nobody's
ever written anything in response to anything I've yet written here,
so I figure my writing's invisible anyway)

Mark Strijbos said:

> Methinks that both MP and Beatles (in particular John!) owed a great
> deal to the Goon Show, the legendary British comedy show with (i
> think) Peter Cook & Dudley Moore.

The Goon Show was Spike Milligan (writer and chief Goon), Peter
Sellers (yes, /that/ Peter Sellers) and Harry Secombe. It started in
the fifties, and revolutionised radio comedy. Pete and Dud came
later, part of the wave of comedy that spewed from Oxford and
Cambridge Universities in the sixties, and were best known
(together, anyway) for a TV comedy called "Not Only... But Also..."

I don't know enough about the sources of the Lennon Muse to be
able to be certain of this, but given that many of his formative years
would have been during the time when the Goon Show was at its
height, I suspect the main thust of your point is correct, however.

Coming back to XTC, I am also becoming a little tired of the XTC
covers posts. Interesting though the idea is, it would only really be
a reasonable suggestion if XTC themselves no longer existed.
Okay, so maybe we'll never see them performed live by XTC, but do
we /really/ need to? They had their reasons for giving up with live
performances (TBH, I think Andy did well fighting his pathological
stagefright for as long as he did) and the band's continued
existence was in order to provide the punters with as near-as-
dammit perfect pop music in a medium that is perfect for it. (To
illustrate my point, I saw Echo and the Bunnymen play live a few
weeks back. They were, as you'd expect, scintillating. For the third
encore, Mac said, quietly, "This song is /really/ special" and they
started to play Ocean Rain. Until some bozo in the audience
shouted something offensive at the top of his voice, not 20 seconds
in. Broke the spell, Mac stopped, told him he'd spoiled it, and they
left the stage, for the last time. Left a sour taste in my mouth that
lasted a couple of days. But here, with my hifi behind me, I can
lovingly unsheath the vinyl and play the song as it was supposed to
be heard, with no bozos, no interruptions... Can you imagine what
a modern audience would /do/ to XTC? One that wasn't familiar with
the back catalogue, that hadn't grown up with them, or grown to
love their music, one that was there /just/ because they'd heard
AV1?) The XTC product doesn't come in a form that can be
experienced live, and that's the way they want it. Nobody else is,
or can ever be, XTC, and all the endless posts suggesting artists
covering XTC songs, to my mind, just illustrates that point
perfectly. Can we not be content with what we have?

Oh, and a quickie response for Richard (Chalkhills 5-215): Thanks,
ta and cheers all mean "thank you". "Ta" is the form that infants
seem to be taught ahead of more complicated words, but works as
informal shorthand, and "cheers" /tends/ to be "thanks and
goodbye" but can also just be "thanks".



...What do you call that noise that you put on? This is Pop!


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:44:03 -0500
From: Claudia Alarcon <>
Subject: piggies


John Yuelkenbeck wrote:

>I was listening to "Your Dictionary" on the jukebox at the bar and it got
>to this little transitional string run that sounded just like the little
>transitional string run in the Beatles' "Piggies." Anyone else hear it?

Yes, I do, and I posted it a while back in my first or second post, but
nobody commented. I figured maybe it was my own sounds just
like "Piggies", doesn't it, John?
It occurs to me, how about a writing campaign to get XTC on PBS' "Sessions
at West 54th"? I think the setting is perfect for our boys to perform in a
small scale stage, and David Byrne would be the perfect interviewer. What
do ya'll think?
Back to my cave now.

Soundgarden *seriously* rules!




Message-Id: <v04011700b373665a4daf@[]>
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:18:15 -0500
From: Olof Hellman <>
Subject: On the cover of "Record Collector"

Anyone else catch XTC in Skylarking garb on the cover of "Record Collector"
magazine in April??

Not many?  Then you must not have been perusing the racks of magazine shops
in Japan.  This will probably be my summer reading / Japanese study
project.  It just goes on for pages and pages....

- Olof

Olof Hellman
Northwestern University,  Dept. Materials Science & Engineering
2225 N. Campus Drive,  Evanston, IL 60208
Tel: (847)-491 5883,  Fax: (847)-467 2269


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:27:46 EDT
Subject: Grays, and really vague XTC content

Hey y'all,

I seem to have become the Miss Lonelyhearts of uniting people with their very
own copies of Ro Sham Bo, so let's try it again! You can find many copies, at
wildly variant prices, at either:


I also saw about 20 cassette copies for 99 cents at an outlet mall in
Barstow, if anyone's in the neighborhood...

I'll back up the recommendation, except (gulp) I usually have to skip over
three of the four Falkner tunes. If anyone is interested in a recent solo
album by Buddy Judge (you know, the songwriter in the Grays who isn't Jon
Brion or Jason Falkner, and who actually wrote some of my favorite stuff on
RSB), by the way, I'm in line for notice when it becomes available... email
me and I'll put you on the list of people to notify. (Ben, loved your story
about the record shop owner... it backs up a theory I'm developing,

Completely unrelated plug:

My friends and possibly my favorite band, the Solipsistics, have some gigs
coming up in New York City, Wilmington, NC, and Los Angeles. I figure I can
bring this up here because the last review of their new album compared them
to early XTC (which I'm not sure is accurate, but they've now been
professionally compared to everyone on the planet who I think is genius,
which is kinda cool). If you're in any of those areas, write me for the
dates... these guys are really amazing.

Speaking of people I've heard compared to early XTC, any thoughts on
Burning Airlines? I haven't heard them, but have heard some very
evangelical speeches on their behalf.

*And* the Negro Problem, who've been compared to "XTC meets Sly and the
Family Stone," have a new CD out this week. Haven't heard this one yet, but
if it's half as good as their first it'll be stunning.

That's all!
The Gallery of Indispensable Pop Music


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:59:29 -0400
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <>
Subject: Head Like a Hole


So...I was watching David Letterman a few nights ago, and he had Courtney
Love on the show.  To this point, I had simply shrugged Ms. Love off as a
woman "cashing in" on the talent of her friends and acquaintances.
However, she was friggin' *hysterical*, and I went out and bought
"Celebrity Skin" the next day.

Woah!  It's pop!  There are tambourines!  It was mixed by Tom and Chris
Lord-Alge and Jack Joseph Puig (sp?)!  "Awful" is amazingly catchy, as are
most of the other tracks!  I'd recommend it...and I think that Our Boys
would find it interesting, too...

How interesting that the line between "alternative," pop, hip-hop, and the
other "genres" of popular music are blending together...  That's the future
of music, methinks.  Would anyone else like to see Andy work with Dr. Dre?
Imagine XTC with samples, a kickin' drumbeat...!  I think it'd be great.


     Benjamin Gott . Loquacious Music . Salisbury, CT 06068
AOL: Plan4Nigel . Telephone (860) 435-9726 . Mobile (207) 798-1859
      I can see a hole in the sky / As wide as your smile...


Subject: The Grays
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:01:26 -0400
Message-ID: <01bea88c$77769320$>

Yep, off-topic once again:

I've seen a lot of requests for The Grays' Ro-Sham-Bo lately.  I got my
copy (and last week saw another one) in the cutout bin of Newbury Comics in
Manchester, NH for about $3.  If you live near a Newbury Comics, ask them -
they might have a copy or 50 in their warehouse that they can get for you.
I think that they may also be on-line.  I'm not sure.


(And what post would be complete without a totally shameless plug for ?)


Message-Id: <>
From: "Ian C Stewart" <>
Subject: AUTOreverse AP DEMOS article, part one
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:06:06 -0400

The entirety of this article appears in the new issue of AUTOreverse and
also on the website at along with 45 minutes of unreleased AP demos in
Real Audio format!!! If you like it, please buy a copy of the magazine! And
if you disagree with any of it, please let me know! Enjoy...

Ian C Stewart

One half of the stately Swindon pop due XTC, ANDY PARTRIDGE is also a
hometaper! Granted, it's not every hometaper who has a model of guitar
named after him (see: FANO GUITARS' "Partridge" model)...

Hometapers spend their free time making and recording music, perhaps for
their own enjoyment. ANDY PARTRIDGE is no different, it's just that his day
job happens to also be writing songs and making music perhaps for his own
enjoyment. Many new XTC products have been released in the last year after
a protracted battle with their former label, Virgin. XTC formed its own
record label, IDEA RECORDS, and TVT has taken up the reigns and has already
released one box set (TRANSISTOR BLAST) and a new album, APPLE VENUS VOL 1.
There's already talk of another box set and more new albums on the new
label. One box set is to be titled FUZZY WARBLES and is said to include
many PARTRIDGE demos.

ANDY PARTRIDGE has been recording at home since the very early 1970s when
he won a reel-to-reel tape recorder in a Draw Your Favorite Monkee contest.
Though no tapes from this period are currently in circulation, demos of his
later music have grown in popularity almost unmatched. To wit: A
first-edition pressing of THE LITTLE EXPRESS fanclub cassette "JULES
VERNE'S SKETCHBOOK," a collection of PARTRIDGE demos, recently sold on eBay
for nearly $300. He's also prolific: A bootleg collection of XTC demos came
out in the early 1990s--8 CDs worth--and even that didn't include
everything. He's a one-man cottage industry.

PARTRIDGE's demos circulate via an ever-expanding fanbase that remains
hungry for new songs during long lulls between XTC albums. Tapes and CD-Rs
change hands with alarming frequency. PARTRIDGE himself has said that he
doesn't mind if the tapes are traded as long as no money is changing hands.
He doesn't want eager fans ripping each other off in the name of a 50th
generation dub of a cassette. But where do the original tapes emanate from?
Who starts the ball rolling?



Message-Id: <>
From: "Michael Davies" <>
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:54:23 -0500
Subject: Stoner witch

> As for "drug-related things", I think you've completely missed the point,
> presuming that you're referring to the "stoner metal" bands I listed. I
> won't pretend that I don't smoke loads of pot, but there's no reason why
> you would have to in order to appreciate these wonderful records. I have
> numerous clean-living pals who often shake a tawdry buttock to the sounds
> of, say, Clutch or Cathedral and they don't feel the need to dismiss an
> entire genre because, gasp, the people involved might be, wait for it,
> drug users! Honestly, don't be so daft.

It's not that it was created by people who take drugs that makes me
not like it, it's that when someone talks about "stoner metal" they
mean a specific type of music - really slow with a deep-voiced
singer (exception: Black Sabbath).  Examples are Bongzilla (this
band is just tiresome because of the constant drug references in
their name, their song titles, the art on their records, their album
titles; if something other than pot was that much of a theme in a
band's work I wouldn't like it either), Sleep, and the Melvins.  By
"I don't like drug-related stuff" I mean that I don't like this type
of music, which is usually associated with drugs.

All together now: "Thanks for spending so much time clearing that
up, although I really don't care at all."

> They also
> did a song called "Hose", about Michael Jackson's penis - which can only be
> a good thing (i.e. the song, not the penis).

That is the funniest thing I've seen on Chalkhills so far, replacing
last digest's "I haven't even written 'em, but they've got 'em."
Partridge quote.

Michael davies
np: Royal Crown Revue


Message-ID: <000b01bea906$4013f420$2ebb0b3f@default>
From: "Joe Funk" <>
Subject: Ethel the Frog
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:33:09 -0500

Concerning Monty Python, The Goon Show and the following:

>As for Peter Cook and Dudley Moore -- they had a BBC TV show in the 60's
>but I'm not clear on the name (I did read it somewhere -- maybe it was
>called "Not Only, But Also").  John Lennon did a guest spot w/ them on one
>show, playing the part of a washroom attendant.

Cook and Moore also had a British TV series in the mid-sixties called Pete
and Dud.  But their major achievement that influenced Python and much of
the satirical comedy of the day was a theatrical troupe they formed with
Dr.  Jonathan Miller and Alan Bennett called "Beyond the Fringe"!  The show
ran from around 1960 till 1966, including a couple of stints on Broadway!
It's biting satire and the players amazing characterizations of public
figures heavily influenced the formation of Python.  There is actually a
film out there somewhere called "Monty Python meets Beyond the Fringe".
Check it out if you can find it!

Silly Party.....


Message-ID: <000501bea8ac$4f07b8e0$37bfa0d0@meridith-s>
From: "squirrelgirl" <>
Subject: XTC videos
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:49:17 -0400

Howdy 'Hillians

I was unpacking some boxes and decided to revisit my 6 XTC videotapes.
Most of the stuff is self-explanatory - live performances and old
interviews (Terry Chambers speaks!); however in both the copies I have of
The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul, there is a reference to Part 2.  What's
Part 1?  What is the significance of the men and woman dancing around the
chess board - seemed that may have been related to Part 1, which I don't
know anything about.

Had forgotten how good they sounded on Letterman back in '89; Colin really
seemed to be enjoying himself up there.  Wonder if they'll do something
similar for AV2.

Chris Rees, are you out there?  You are the one who taped Letterman for me
way back when.  Lost track of you but thanks anyway!

Back to the videos -


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