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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 209

                   Monday, 17 May 1999

Today's Topics:

                     Re: Bad Reunions
                     Wishful Thinking
              Partridge HELLO CD EP at E-bay
            Populate Your Unconcious Grotesque
                  "Recommended" Archive
                     Bitchy rows boys
            Reissues and an Unsubscribers Rant
              New Chalkhills member/Genesis
                     once again . . .
                       Re: Genesis
                     Re: Tribute List
              Re: XTC on the Comedy Channel
     The Phantom Bridegroom & Julian's birthday card
             Re: Dave and Andy's Guitar Solos
                     re: pagan babies


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:44:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Bad Reunions

alot of band reunions would have to occur to make my dream tribute album
come true:
1. wonderland - beck
2. reign of blows - tom waits
3. frivolous tonight - randy newman
4. no language in our lungs - virgin prunes
5. human alchemy - dead can dance
6. fruit nut - paul burch & the wpa ballclub
7. don't lose your temper - stiff little fingers
8. living through another cuba - public enemy
9. senses working overtime - jon boy langford and the pine valley cosmonauts
10. wrapped in grey - patti smith
11. ball & chain - new model army
12. i remember the sun - kate bush

whew! i don't know if i was gonna have an orgasm or an aneurism trying to
come up with that list! an orgeurism?

-artthief (i'm not andy partridge)


Message-ID: <>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Wishful Thinking
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:51:40 PDT

Squirrelgirl suspects me of being Andy?? Egad, but I'm flattered!!
Regrettably I can assure you I'm not, although I take that as a mighty big
compliment. (Not to mention being rather chuffed to be included in such an
august company of suspects). My wife reckons I look vaguely like him

Does Andy lurk here? I doubt it. I suspect he may pass messages on to
people from time to time to be placed in an appropriate spot, but that's
about it.  I had my suspicions about that post from a few weeks back, but
if memory serves it was a hoax. I can't remember who did it - something
makes me recall it was Dom, or Todd, but I could be wrong.

  * * *

So Partsy loves 'Casino Royale' too huh? I always found that piece
irresistable. The bit in the middle where the trumpet hits that incredible
high note always knocks me out. (Am I mental or do I remember reading that
it was Herb Albert?) It's one of those pieces, like "I Just Wasn't Made For
These Times", that always elicts from me what my old friend calls FIF -
Funny Inner Feeling.

The whole arrangement sparkles in a way that could never be reproduced now
- it's a perfect distillation of everything that Bacharach could do
musically.  The interplay between the horns and the strings is so
fantastic. It's hip, groovy, fluffy, cheeky, bouncy, cool and
sophisticated, with a great latin swing to it. The horn playing is pretty
close to being perfect IMO. And listen to the melody line - it's very
'classical', very vertical, quite complex and convoluted, yet as catchy as
the Ebola Virus. How does he do it?

Production-wise it's also a great illustration of what Brian Wilson talks
about re: the blending of different instruments in the studio to create a
new sound.



Message-ID: <000201be9eeb$888e8fa0$>
From: "Dave Franson" <>
Subject: Partridge HELLO CD EP at E-bay
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:56:38 -0500


I have the following extremely rare item up for auction at e-bay.

     Great songs, unavailable anywhere else, a must-have for the XTC fan.
     Wow! Autographed and doodled upon by Partridge in Chicago, IL, on
2/25/99. Cardboard sleeve is in Excellent condition... the bottom edge was
trimmed to fit in a CD jewel case. Disc in Mint condition. From private
collection. Buyer pays shipping. Cashiers check or money order only.
     Andy Partridge: A Hello Selection Prince of Orange (2'55); It's Snowing
Angels (3'20); Candymine (2'29); Some Lovely (My Brown Guitar) (3'58). solo
single, released only to Hello Recording Club subscribers. CD-5, Hello USA,
HEL-411, November 1994.

Check it out!




Message-ID: <000701be9d9c$0eb5b140$d1e7abc3@vucqprlj>
From: "David Seddon" <>
Subject: Populate Your Unconcious Grotesque
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:54:20 +0100

All this talk of getting an ideal list of people to cover XTC songs has got
me thinking.  The weirdest thing would be for dead stars to sing things in
your imagination.  It's a totally stupid and vacuous idea and one that
wasted 15 minutes to think up, but what the hell, it's Saturday and I've
just spent ages marking bloody mock SAT tests!  I could do with a celestial
choir, about these suggestions?

Bob Marley...Knuckle Down
Jimmi Hendrix...Another Satellite (I can just hear the Star Spangled Banner
style solo in there somewhere)
Buddy Holly...Life Begins At the Hop
Nick Drake...Rook
Tim Buckley...All you Pretty Girls (in his jazz/rock, Greetings from LA
Jeff Buckley...Garden of Earthly Delights (in several octaves)
John Lennon...The Ugly Underneath (he could do his rocking, psychedelic and
ballad styles on this!)
Freddie Mercury...Respectable Street (camped up like Death on Two Legs)
Frank Sinatra... I Can't Own Her (swung with Nelson Riddle Strings)
John Denver...Love on a Farmboy's Wages (hammed up)
Phil Lynott...Making Plans for Nigel
John Coltrane/Miles Davis...The Last Balloon

I'm sure there's loads more that can be done with that list, but that'll do
for now.
What would Elvis sing?



Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:12:24 -0700
Subject: "Recommended" Archive

Charles asked:

" Is there any archive of bands/artists that people in this newsgroup
have recommended?

Great idea!


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:01:51 +0100
From: B Blanchard <>
Subject: Bitchy rows boys

Evening officer. WHAT lights!?

Just caught up on a week of Chalkhills and really enjoyed the
Dom/Dunks row about metal, well it READ like a row and it was
good n bitchy. Loved it..  And - as I was listening to
Diamondhead followed by Kiss, Vardis and then Thin Lizzy as I
read -  I'll let you decide who's side I was on. (Thin Lizzy?
Metal? Yep.) Sorry they made up with each other really.  It was a
neat fun harmless row.

The Todd / Gene whoever else row about Andy's motives and
character and all that stuff is as dull as shit.  It would be
fine if I was learning something or even being entertained but
I'm not. Maybe everyone else is!  Who cares!  I'll defend
anyone's right to say what they want on the list. Go ahead and
bitch away!  Sun's shining!  Tank is gassed up (or "contains a
full tank of petroleum spirit" as us Brits might say). And
yesterday I survived another birthday 20 years after they thought
and I assumed I would die!  Hooray!!!!!!

Oh, and welcome to the list one very cool girl LYNNE WILKERSON
SCHAPPERT resident in California who I met at the Manchester
conventions in 1990 or whenever.  She is now on line and I told
her about this usually cool list.  Altogether now - WELCOME
LYNNE! Delurk away and tell us some dirt!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:20:15 -0700
From: Herne <>
Subject: Reissues and an Unsubscribers Rant

Regarding the b-sdes/extra tracks on the reissues.   My problem was that
since my first exposure to most of the early non-lp tracks was from
BEESWAX, it was odd to hear things out of order from that album pop up
everywhere...oh well I'll go CD by CD

WHITE MUSIC---Science Friction ep plus extras.  Was thrilled at the time
that Traffic Light Rock popped up here since I only had it on
Guillotine.  The order of the others follows the Beeswax order...though
Science Friction itself was on Waxworks.

GO2---My first copy of this was the import so ARE YOU RECEIVING ME was
always on it.  Not a problem.

DRUMS AND WIRES---This thing has been F***ed up so many ways by
different companies.  Who knows what the actual order is?  I Know it's
probably in the archives but anyway.  My first version was the US Epic
reissue.  It had the Life Begins at the Hop(edit) on it but No Making
Plans for Nigel and No Day In Day Out.  Then I found the single with
Limelight/Day In Day Out and Chain of Command on it.  I recorded it at
the end of the Drums And Wires Tape I made...a tape which I had recorded
the album in reverse.  Side two and then side one.  I think at the time
I preferred Roads Girdle the Globe over Complicated Game.  Come to think
of it, I really didn't like Complicated Game.  That of course changed.
Later I bought the Canada version because it had the then unfindable
lyrics for the first three albums and b-sides etc.  That version had
Nigel at the beginning.

As for the cd's...well.  I have two of them.  One is the "picture" disc
from the three disc box set.  I bought that because it was actually
cheaper to buy that then the imports seperately.  Of course after I had
spent all the extra  money, the damn things came out in the US like the
next week!  The cd  order is a total cock-up to me because  every
version of this one is different.  It all just gives me a headache

BLACK SEA---The problem isn't where the songs lay.   It's that Smokeless
Zone, Temper and Sonambulist don't sound like they belong here at all.
I thought Smokeless Zone and Temper were from an earlier time and
sound.  And Sonambulist, which I didn't get into until like 1991, would
do better on Rag and Bone Buffet.  It just seems like a stand alone

MUMMER---Well I hated MUMMER from the word go.  In fact I f***ing hated
it.  I despised it.  Coming after the greatest album of my life(ES) with
this "Alan Parsons Project sounding tripe"(Now remember this was near
the EYE IN THE SKY time and it isn't that far a leap...and I like some
AP Project so don't flame me) was something I think I took personally at
the time.  It's like it hurt my feelings or something and I've never
been able to quite forgive it.

Though later my opinion of the album slowly began to change when I
started to become a bitter youth while at USC film school.  Me and The
Wind took on a new meaning there.  Then the b-sides I got when I bought
the singles improved things.  I liked Desert Island and Gold a lot.  So
when all of them were finally thrown together on cd, I finally came to
some sort of peace with it.  Though there's part of me that wants to
smash every known copy of this one.  It's an all too vivid memory of a
very unhappy time.  So I don't give a shit what order this one's in.
Cause no matter what order it's in, Wonderland is still on it.

Geez...what was I talking about?  Oh yeah the reissues.

Skylarking---while not a real reissue...I've never gotten used to the
version with Dear God.  I prefer the original import which was the way I
heard it first.  Though Mermaid Smiled is one of my least favorites and
no great loss, I'd rather have it there than Dear God cause it just
doesn't sound right.

Rag and Bone Buffet---Again the Beeswax problem.  The fact that Blame/
Tissue Tigers/Punch/Broken Glass aren't in the Beeswax order, or that
the album is in no order to speak of, annoys me to this day.

I guess  I can live with things the way they are.  It would of course be
better if they re-did the whole catalog a la the Costello re-issues with
bonus tracks at the end.  Or have seperate CD's in order a la  the
Beatles Anthology series...and just have demos at the end of the
originals.  Any suggestions people?  And when the f**k are the Meeting
Place demos(Find the Fox etc.) going to be on disc?

Boy I'm starting to get pissed.  Talking about Mummer gets me into a
lather.  Better go before I go off about people who de-list....TOO

What is it with people leaving the list?  Paraphrasing: "I'm
unsubscribing because I joined this list to hear about XTC and not about
blah, blah, blah,..."or it's "this list is too mean spirited."  Come on
people.  PLEASE!  The debate is indeed "spirited" but disagreements are
mostly farcical and derived from "passionate" viewpoints.  For what it's
worth, some people on another list described this list as "boring".  I
couldn't believe that.  I love this place.  It's informative and the
laughs are many.  Dom's posts alone are worth it.

If you truly ARE a fan, why would you not follow this list? Chalkhills
has several people in DIRECT contact with band members.  I don't know if
some people truly comprehend the significance of this fact.  The fact
that we have any idea what's up with the boys at all is AMAZING.   AND
this list, despite it's alleged obscurity, is known by band members,
record companies and journalists.  TVT and Cooking Vinyl monitor us and
use us for marketing research.  Remember the trial balloon to guage
interest in a Special Edition of Apple Venus I?  I certainly do.  I
wonder what happened to that idea.

I mean what more do you want?  Andy's home phone number so you can call
him every damn day and ask him what's up with the new album and his love
life and whatever?  Such a thing does not and will not exist.  This is
as close as you're going to get.

It's one thing if you're busy and you don't have time to read e-mail.  I
often get behind and end up posting on threads that died weeks earlier.
That's one thing.  But to leave because you don't think Chalkhills is
not informative enough?  You're (Virgins cover your eyes!) FUCKED in the
head!  Sorry no asterisks for deserters.  And if you get upset because
of the flaming?  SCROLL FUCKING DOWN!  Hell we've all been singed here.
I think you get flamed on every third post you put up.

There are a lot of passionate people here with stong opinions diluted by
the limits of language and letter writing skills.  Posts are often
composed in the wee hours or under the influence of something.  Or
during periods of intense self-reflection or melancholy.  I recall one
listmember whose shall remain nameless seemingly crying out in the night
wondering if anyone read her posts or noticed she was here at all. that person...yes I read your posts and I do notice
you're here.  I almost wrote you personally to say so but for some
reason I didn't.  I only tend to skip posts about time signatures cause
I don't understand them...YET.   The point is that on the internet there
are REAL people with REAL emotions unleashed by the safety of relative
anonymity.  So there's bound to be some heat.  And if you can't stand
the heat...fine.  Be gone.  You'll be back though.   Especially if the
record companies or the band finally cough up a  Chalkhills only disc of
rarities a la Jules Verne's Sketchbook or something of that ilk.

There.  I'm done with my rant.  Apologies to those offended by
language.  But one more post whining about what Chalkhills IS, ISN'T or
SHOULD BE and I am going to scream.  Just wait till your boat goes
down.  That's when you'll need us most.


 who wonders, "Where 4 art thou, David Oh?".


Message-Id: <>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:14:38 -0500
From: "David R. Bauman" <>
Subject: New Chalkhills member/Genesis

Hello, everyone--

I am a very new member of Chalkhills...Actually, I am a pretty recent
devotee of XTC itself; though I was familiar with Nonsuch from my college
days, the first album I bought was Apple Venus.  Since then, I have
purchased Nonsuch, Skylarking, Oranges and Lemons, Mummer, and English
Settlement, each of which has a very distinct charm.  I suppose that I
enjoy Apple Venus the most, and so far have yet to really get into Mummer
and English Settlement.

About me personally...I will be a 3rd year law student at the University of
Wisconsin (Madison), happily living in this beautiful city, and happily
just finished with exams.  Unfortunately, school takes up most of my time,
so I rarely have time to do anything other than lurk on mailing lists and
keep up on news, with the occasional, rare contribution.  Still, I'm happy
to be here, and I hope to learn a lot more about XTC.

In terms of my musical interests, I enjoy everything from Tori Amos to
Frank Zappa, but my main interests are XTC, Genesis, Marillion, the Police,
Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Ben Folds
Five, Elvis Costello, King Crimson, and the Dave Matthews Band.
Fortunately for me, most of them are still active, if not prolific.

For my first contribution (I suppose everyone here already is aware of
this, but...), for how many albums have XTC drawn the title from a phrase
in the previous album?  For example, "Apple Venus" comes from the first
line of "Then She Appeared" on Nonsuch, "Nonsuch" comes from "Chalkhills
and Children" on Oranges and Lemons, "Oranges and Lemons" comes from
"Ballet for a Rainy Day" on Skylarking... does this continue on previous

Having more than a passing interest in the music of Genesis (one of the few
bands I enjoy more than XTC), I couldn't help notice and respond to the
following post: wrote:

>OK, OK, stop your fuming. I must rephrase here, and I hope I can make it
>brief. Steve Hackett is a very talented guitarist, one of the best out

I wholeheartedly agree, and his most recent album (Darktown, released about
three weeks ago, does nothing but bolster my belief).  It's nice to hear a
guitarist who isn't necessarily about flashy playing, but rather atmosphere
and a unique sound.

>What I was trying to say that I feel he and Genesis just weren't a
>match, more on a personal and spiritual level than anything else. Musically
>it was like there were Genesis' ideas and Steve's ideas, they sometimes
>seemed to be pushing against each other.

This is, to a large extent, true -- there were probably too many competing
ideas in the band for each to get equal attention.  Especially after the
departure of Gabriel, when the band really wanted to prove that they were
more than the background accompaniment to Peter's unique vision.  And it is
true that the band lost something when Steve left.

> I've read in interviews with him that he was never particularly happy in
>Genesis, that at best they were a job and a paycheck and a chance to
>express himself creatively.

Well, this is a new one to me, and I've heard, read, or seen a fair
percentage of the interviews with the members of the band.  While it is
true that Steve was a bit of an outsider to the "inner circle" of the band,
I've seen nothing to indicate that he viewed the band as merely a "job".
Indeed, his release of "Genesis Revisited", an album of his reworkings of
Genesis's songs, seems to me to show how much he enjoyed the music produced
by Genesis, as for example when he comments of _Firth of Fifth_, "one of
Tony's finest, in my humble opinion."  He also refers to his time with the
band as "special."  Still, it is true that Steve was rarely entirely happy
within the band as an entity.

>When Peter Gabriel left, Hackett, who had never gotten along with Tony
>Banks particularly to begin with, began accusing Tony of stealing his
>songwriting credits.  He left after Wind And Wuthering because he believed
>he was more responsible for the band's music than he was given credit
>for. He may have had a case, for all I know; the rest of the band, being
>friends since school aside from Phil, pulled ranks and backed Tony on the

Not quite accurate.  Steve never accused Tony of stealing songwriting
credits.  Rather, within the band's fairly strict procedure of voting on
what songs would go on each album, the band didn't like many of Steve's
musical ideas enough to put them on an album, which led to a sense of
confinement, that his input wasn't being valued properly.  That, in a
nutshell is why he left.  He wasn't being given credit in a lot of
instances because he didn't get the chance to contribute to certain pieces.

>If you've ever wondered why Steve never plays at Genesis reunions, that's
>why.  He and Tony refuse to appear onstage with each other.

Well, Genesis have only really had one reunion, back in 1982 to help out
Peter Gabriel's newly founded, but financially strapped WOMAD festival.
Steve did perform, but only for the encore.  The "dispute" between Tony and
Steve really is blown out of proportion most of the time, as has recently
been a topic on the Genesis mailing list.

>After Gabriel, songs were credited to individual songwriters for the first
>time, which caused the dispute over credits to come to a head. As I
>recall, Steve's only writing credits(I could be wrong)on A Trick Of The
>Tail and Wind And Wuthering were Los Endos and Wot Gorilla? Both

Actually, on ToTT, Steve is credited for "Dance on a Volcano", "Los Endos",
and "Entangled" (one of the more beautiful pieces in the Genesis canon, by
the way).  About the same credited contribution as Phil Collins at that
point.  On W and W, Steve is credited for "Eleventh Earl of Mar", "Blood on
the Rooftops", "Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers" and "In that Quiet

All in all, a fair amount, but Tony Banks definitely had a larger input at
that point.

>  Sorry to bore anybody with no interest in Genesis. Hey, at least this
>isn't about Air Supply or heavy metal. Back to our regularly scheduled

Yes indeed -- this is after all an XTC list, and I take a share of blame
for contributing to an unrelated thread.  However, both bands certainly
produce(d) excellent music, and I'm just trying to help set the record
straight a bit.

Hoping for some enlightening conversations,


David R. Bauman


Message-Id: <v03007800b363cbff27ed@[]>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:15:45 -0500
From: Mitch Friedman <>
Subject: once again . . .


I thought I should post the only likely tracks for AV2 since there seems to
be some confusion about it. Here goes . . .

You and the Clouds Will Still Be Beautiful
Church of Women
Some Lovely
The Wheel and The Maypole
We're All Light
Wounded Horse
Stupidly Happy
I'm the Man Who Murdered Love
Boarded Up (CM)
Standing In For Joe (CM)
In Another Life (CM)

That's it I'm afraid.



Message-ID: <000e01be9fae$40bce640$61b52299@default>
From: "Joe Funk" <>
Subject: Re: Genesis
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:10:35 -0500

Afew minor clarifications:

Chris stated:

>As I recall, Steve's only writing credits(I could be
>wrong)on A Trick Of The Tail and Wind And Wuthering were Los Endos and Wot
>Gorilla? Both instumentals.

when actually Steve Hackett co-wrote: "Entangled" with none other than Tony
Banks, along with "Dance on a Volcano" with Banks, Rutherford and Collins
from "Trick"; " In that Quiet Earth" with Mike Rutherford, Banks and
Collins, "Blood on the Rooftops" with Collins, "Unquiet Slumber for
Sleepers" with Rutherford and "Eleventh Earl of Mar" with Banks and
Rutherford on Wind & Wuthering.  By the way, "Wot Gorrilla" is a
Banks/Collins composition.

XTC content:

Last week I was listening to the morning radio show on KUT 90.5 fm here in
Austin.  They call it "Ecclecticos", because it usually features a wide
variety of ecclectic music.  Well the theme that morning was flowers!  So I
called in and requested ROO, and wouldn't Ya' know it was the next song
they played!!!  I was exstatic!!  Hearing ROO on the radio was a
mindblower; not only because I truly believed I would never here that song
on the radio, but that the other listeners who had not heard AV1 or even
heard of XTC might give them a second thought!!

I don't know about ya'll, but I am ready for AV2!!!!

....Me and Crusoe are sharing the same fate.....



Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:15:06 -0700
From: Yoshiko Yeto <>
Subject: Re: Tribute List

Greetings Chalkhillians!

Molly's idea for a tribute list is simply brilliant!  Bravo!  Here is my

1. Your Dictionary-Elliot Smith
2. Helicopter-Brian Eno
3. Roads Girdle the Globe-Thee Headcoatees
4. English Roundabout-Elvis Costello and the Attractions (circa "This
Year's Model")
5. Chain of Command-Devo
6. Have You Seen Jackie-Terry and the Love Men with Leonard Nimoy
narrating (and no, I am not a Trekkie)
7. 1000 Umbrellas-Belle and Sebastian
8. Frivolous Tonight-The Magnetic Fields
9. When You're Near Me I Have Difficulty-Ian Dury and the Blockheads
10. Deliver Us From the Elements-Wire
11. Paper and Iron-The Raincoats
12. Yacht Dance-Arthur Lee and Love (with Brian McLean on vocals)
13. All of a Sudden (It's Too Late)-Jimmy Scott
14. The Last Balloon-Nick Drake

I imagine that Elvis Costello would prefer the Burt Bachrach/Beach Boys
influenced "Wrapped in Grey" so that he can histrionically belt out this
lovely tune.  You can bet that I will wrestle it away from his little
greedy hands!

Oh by the way, the tribute album would be entitled "Across the Hymnbooks".

Decisively yours,

Malady Nelson


Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 03:58:11 -0400
Subject: Re: XTC on the Comedy Channel
Message-ID: <>

Patrick wrote:
<<I had the Comedy Channel on in the background while checking some
baseball statistics and much to my surprise, an advertisement for XTC's
Apple Venus Vol. 1 appeared!>>

Is this The Comedy Network (Canada) or Comedy Centrall (US), or is there
another Comedy network in a different country?  I've never seen any AV1
ads on TV here, maybe I'm not paying close attention or my cable system
hates XTC.

Non XTC song lyric, but I like it: "Happiness is Easy" (Mark Hollis, Talk


Message-Id: <>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:51:53 +0100
From: Philip Lawes <>
Subject: The Phantom Bridegroom & Julian's birthday card

Greg wrote in #207
>One boy and one girl walk
>together to the front of the hall to participate in the ritual.  Andy looks
>across at girl sitting on the other side of the aisle and daydreams that it
>is the two of them walking down the aisle on their wedding day, girl gives
>him a "longing look."  Years pass, Andy finds out that the girl has gotten
>married to someone also, just like he has.  "You TOO got married and I wish
>you well."  I don't see where this other character comes in as in "You TWO
>got married...."  Who is this guy?  Why is Andy singing to him? Maybe he's
>Graham's younger brother?  I don't think he exists.

Hi Greg.  I've always assumed that the bridegroom was the boy at the
beginning of the song - the narrator's long term rival, but your
interpretation seems equally valid.  I've listened to it a couple of times
and it sort of flips in my head either way - both scenarios provoke a sense
of loss that's nicely expressed in the song.  Maybe Andy didn't put the
lyric sheet in to keep the conversation on Chalkhills going a bit longer.

>Although I've been on the list and enjoying the Digest since 12-12-95, this
>is my first post.  Is that a record?  Anyone been lurking longer than that?

Anyone de-lurking now is going to lose the record. "I'm the record
holder because I've been on the list twelve years and I've never
posted...   oh bugger".

...and since you mentioned the Beatles may I recommend that any 'hillers
on London get over to the new British Library in St. Pancras if you have
an hour or so to spare.  The permanent exhibition 'Treasures from the
British Library' is absolutely gobsmacking.  First off it's in quite a
small, intimate room, so the sheer *weight* of history in there is
almost palpable as you step through the door.  I stood in the middle and
turned round and saw the Lindisfarne gospels, the Magna Carta, a couple
of Mozart autograph scores, a Gutenberg bible, Captain Scott's diary,
the original handwritten illustrated manuscript of Alice in Wonderland,
Wellington's Waterloo despatch and loads of other stuff.  XTC lyric
enthusiasts might like to go and see handwritten letters from Nelson to
Lady Hamilton and Victoria to Albert (nothing from Hector or Helen of
Troy though - try the British Museum).  The whole thing is a real

Anyway, if you step up to the Magna-Carta (you know, the start of
British, and by extension Western, democracy - signed by King John in
1215), turn around and walk three paces forward you'll see the Beatles
display.  This has a number of their original lyric sheets in all their
scruffy glory, including 'A Hard Day's  Night'.  This is probably the
tattiest and most illegible of the lot having been scribbled in
ballpoint on the back of what looks like a child's birthday card (happy
smiling boy riding toy train -Julian?).  Really bring's the story of
John Lennon knocking off the song overnight to life.  I doubt that
McCartney or Lennon ever thought that their backs of envelopes, ripped
out notebook sheets and doodles were ever going to be reverently
displayed in a glass case next to a Mozart score and the Magna Carta!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:00:22 -0400
From: Rob Hill <>
Subject: Re: Dave and Andy's Guitar Solos

Wes Wilson ( sez:

>Honestly, I could never tell Dave and Andy's guitar solos apart unless it
>was specifically written somewhere. Andy's quite a soloist and can create
>some clever doodles on the fretboard. Check out the solos on "We'll Build a
>House" from Martin Newell's "Greatest Living Englishman" and "Books are
>Burning" (in which he and Dave trade solos).

Oh, I think they're distinctly different. Dave is smooth, fluid,
well-practised, and frankly more conventional. Andy is jarring,
inspired, adventurous, and altogether completely insane. I can hear the
rogue jazz fiend in him longing to get out. Though Dave is certainly a
more dependable guitarist, I find Andy to be genuinely exciting. Listen
to the Church of Women solo, or I Remember the Sun, or Heatwave, or his
jazzy scribblings in the XTC At the Manor. Dave is more studied but a
bit more faceless than Andy (sorry, Dave). Listen to the 1980 Radio One
concert. Andy on the right, Dave on the left. At the end of This is Pop
(I believe) Dave gets a few bars to twiddle and you realise what he
would sound like without Andy's Andyness keeping him on his toes.

That said, I didn't realise how much I was going to miss Dave until I
rewatched the MTV acoustic performance of Scarecrow People. All those
little melodic nuances are gone, folks. If XTC decide to do another
acoustic tour or similar, Andy's going to be far too busy singing and
keeping his meal down to add much to the instrumentation.

And as for Tom Waits, yep, this new one's a doozy. I think it actually
ranks above Bone Machine. Filipino Box Spring Hog, Take It With Me,
Picture in a Frame, Cold Water etc are as good as anything he's ever
done. What's He Building is genuinely nightmare-ish. Only downer is
Georgia Lee, which for me is his Books are Burning. Someone commented to
the effect "there are no malls in Wait's world." Apt, I'd say. Great



Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:55:38 EDT
Subject: re: pagan babies

Hi, everybody,

Bob Estus recently deadpanned:

>>It was rumored that in the last weeks of the drive a pagan
baby was traded for a rather choice bagged lunch.>>

I nearly bagged it myself, as I happened to be chowing down
at the time, and could've choked for laughing.  One should
never mix eating and horselaughs...

There's nothing like the inanities of organized religion to
crank out atheists, is there?  (I'm speaking for myself, of

It reminds me of when I had to attend Sunday school
as a kid...  Once, around 1980, my church featured a
guest lecturer, who ostensibly was there to warn us of
the moral perils of rock 'n roll in general, and of sexual,
drug, and satanic references in the same.  This lecture
actually lasted for two consecutive Sunday classes, and
the second one was packed, standing room only.  This
guy used tapes, slides and his own record collection to
produce his multimedia show.  With our rapt attention,
he covered all the bases:  the satanic imagery in album
art (i.e., Blue Oyster Cult's "Agent of Fortune," if memory
serves), heavy metal nihilism (Judas Priest), punk violence,
anarchy, and cover art nudity (Wendy O. Williams), back-
wards satanic lyrics, etc.

Needless to say, this lecture series had largely unintended
results for me.  I learned tons about the music world that
was beyond the pale of anything I was familiar with previously,
and I rather admired the targeted artists for their clever, daring
and sometimes allegedly subtextual or even subliminal artistic
statements.  Who knew?  Sunday school gave me a crash course
in the baroque complexity of symbolic art, subversive subtexts,
multitracking, production tricks, and punk anarchy in general.

And to this day, I have a soft spot for B.O.C. and for any
band that at least attempts something interesting on their
album covers.  (The "miniature portrait" size of CDs was
the final nail in the coffin on the golden age of album art,
IMO.)  And my appreciation for studio wankery in general
also dates back to those lectures.  In that sense, my "Sgt.
Pepper" was the Beatles and Led Zep played backwards.

[tenuous XTC content]:  I wonder if churches still attempt
these kinds of classes, and whether XTC has enjoyed a
boost from their exposure in them (for "Dear God," especially).
Are there any Chalkies who can comment on this?  And
are there any amongst us whose first exposure to XTC was,
oddly, church-related?

"I'll inherit the earth I'm told...,"
Stephanie Takeshita


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