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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 207

                   Friday, 14 May 1999

Today's Topics:

                     The Big De-Lurk
                 What Dog Doo Tastes Like
                         Genesis
                  Andy in Rolling Stone
                  The Happy Valley Lion
               Re:What Dog Doo Tastes Like
                   Is Andy P. in here?
               Dave and Andy's Guitar Solos
               "Fly Upon the Wall" by Blur?
             Newell and other recommendations
                   my convoluted picks
                     Re: XTC Concert
                      a fantasy list
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From: Greg90@aol.com
Message-ID: <e2130045.246c8a3a@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:04:10 EDT
Subject: The Big De-Lurk

Hello All,

Although I've been on the list and enjoying the Digest since 12-12-95, this
is my first post.  Is that a record?  Anyone been lurking longer than that?
I have a lot of discussions to catch up on and one observation about a song
lyric that no one has made yet....but first....about me: I am 35 years old,
live in New Jersey, work for a large Theme Park company (not Disney),
studied music at NYU, am married, and by this time next week will have one
child - age 0.  I've been an XTC fan since 1982, loved Skylarking and
Nonsuch best when they were released, but now I lean towards English
Settlement.  I met Andy and Colin at Tower in NY in February, they were
very nice.  I didn't hear the AV demos before they were released, didn't
really want to. Oh, and I don't use any of those smiley face things that
are supposed to show that you are being euphemistic or something, and I
don't use IMHO.  It's pretty much all my opinion, I'll try to be humble,
you can figure out the rest.

There have been so many threads in the past 3 1/2 years they I have almost
jumped in on, but just never felt that I had anything really different to
say.  In retrospect, here are a few I should have gotten in on:

1.  Bungalow - Love it?  Hate it?  Worst XTC song ever? This thread goes
way back.  I happen to love the song.  It's the one song I can not skip
over on Nonsuch. At one time I was really into the Moody Blues.  If you
listen to their albums, especially the earlier ones, there were always a
couple of songs on there written and sung by either Ray Thomas or Mike
Pinder, somewhat different in style from the Justin Hayward / John Lodge
songs everyone has heard. Bungalow always sounded to me like the best Ray
Thomas/Mike Pinder song the Moodies never recorded.  Listen to the vocals.

2.  XTC should produce themselves?  Andy should produce?  No way.  Listen
to the two recent Martin Newell albums.  Andy's production on Englishman
just sounds so thin as compared to the Off White Album.  It makes me wish
that Louis Philippe had produced Englishman.  Listen for yourself.

3.  Dave, Dave, Dave Did anyone watch the Beatles Anthology on TV or video?
They do about 20 minutes on Jimmy Nicol, the drummer that replaced Ringo
for about ten days in 64 when Ringo was having his tonsils out.  Ten days -
twenty minutes.  (maybe a bit less) The point is that Ringo still seemed
all broken up over it 30 years later.  Jimmy Nicol was the smallest of
footnotes, but Ringo still seems hurt that they played a few shows without
him.  I don't think Ringo ever felt like he was a full member of the
Beatles.  He didn't write, he didn't sing (you know what I mean), he laid
down his tracks and then played chess.  He wasn't even the original
drummer. He admittedly went through a period in 68 where he felt that the
other guys didn't even want him around anymore............How could it be
any different for Dave?  Did Dave ever feel like a full member of XTC?  In
retrospect does he feel that Andy looked at him differently than he did
Colin?  Did Andy think of Dave as being a sub-member of XTC?  If the
Beatles had gone on for 20 years, Ringo would have quit somewhere along the
way too.

O.K.  Here's a lyric quibble that has nothing to do with No Thugs.  My
favorite song on AV is Harvest Festival, but I have a feeling that all of
the printed lyrics I have seen are wrong.  To see what I mean you have to
look at the story.  Harvest Festival time at school.  Children are
assembled, boys on one side, girls on the other.  One boy and one girl walk
together to the front of the hall to participate in the ritual.  Andy looks
across at girl sitting on the other side of the aisle and daydreams that it
is the two of them walking down the aisle on their wedding day, girl gives
him a "longing look."  Years pass, Andy finds out that the girl has gotten
married to someone also, just like he has.  "You TOO got married and I wish
you well."  I don't see where this other character comes in as in "You TWO
got married...."  Who is this guy?  Why is Andy singing to him? Maybe he's
Graham's younger brother?  I don't think he exists.

Is that enough?  I've been saving it all up for you for over 3 years.

Maybe I'll try this again some time.

Greg

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Message-ID: <373B4401.4099A39F@risd.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:28:37 -0400
From: gene <gyoon@risd.edu>
Subject: What Dog Doo Tastes Like

Apologies in advance for the following. Just needed to clear a few things
up.

> From: Todd Bernhardt
> Subject: Crank it up
>
> How incredibly presumptuous -- and downright mean-spirited -- of you
> to judge someone whom you've never met (and, even if you have, whom
> you don't know) in a public forum. Whose "reports" are you basing your
> judgement on?

Published ones, by numerous journalists and a couple biographers. And no,
I'm not looking up author names!

> Are you balancing those reports by doing some research

Well, I guess I might count the probably hundreds of accumulated hours I've
spent reading about xtc as research. (Place thumb and forefinger shaped in
the letter "L" on forehead now.)

> and talking to people on the other side of the issue?

Just one in person, someone who worked with xtc.

> How much exactly do you know about the myriad, complex and interrelated
> factors that led to Andy's "burned bridges"?

A lot more than you know about me, I think. So who's being
presumptuous. But I am sincerely sorry for causing you or anyone else
offense by my remarks ("emotionally stunted" was indeed harsh wording), as
I intended them to be more observation than judgement.

To clarify, I never suggested Andy Partridge is a bad person, father, or
friend, nor do I want to speculate. But it is apparent that he's had a
disproportionately large number of clashes with a lot of different people
directly affecting his band, music, career. Disportionate to what or whom,
you ask. Colin Moulding and Dave Gregory, for two. Nothing everybody here
didn't already know, of course. I should have added the first time around
that genius often arises from strong personalities, and few here would
argue that Andy Partridge possesses true genius.

Anyway, even you regard my view as passing judgement, it's not
uninformed. And making informed judgement is a natural part of any critical
discourse, which this public forum certainly is. For that, I too am glad
Andy Partridge doesn't read this list. (I was counting on it last week,
obviously!)  I wouldn't in his shoes. But my main point is, if we were to
apply Todd's logic, the work of every scholar, writer and historian, among
others, would all be shit, to use his term.

> Discussing his (and Colin's) music, after all, is why
> we're here, IMO, rather than guessing at the reasons why Andy does the
> things he does as he runs his band or his life.

Why Andy does the things he does as he runs his band seems to me a very
relevant topic, because this is an xtc discussion group.

If you want to talk about mean spirit, you baked a pretty good one
yourself, Todd. Or maybe just when you're "cranky". ;-) (oops-- another
dash of chocolate sprinkles?? )

whew! not an auspicious return to chalkhills, I'll say.....
Wanting to stay clear of any further nastiness,
Gene

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From: CCooli9575@aol.com
Message-ID: <c7f2f9f6.246ca1b7@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:44:23 EDT
Subject: Genesis

>I know, opinions are like..well you know, but to imply that Steve
>Hackett was a weak link in Genesis is absurd!!  Yeah, he didn't fit in when
>he wrote the music to " I Know  What I Like" ( of course, PG wrote the
>lyrics ).  Try comparing his solo on the live version of "The Knife" to Mr.
>Phillips' on Trespass!  I love Anthony Phillips with Genesis and solo,  but
>Hackett's imagination on the guitar blows him out of the water!  You really
>think "And Then There Were Three", with Mike Rutherford's dulcet Guitar
>work, holds a candle to their previous work?  You are entitled to your
>opinion ( however wrong it is).  Give "Los Endos" or "Blood on the Rooftops"
>a listen, and then tell me where Steve Hackett doesn't fit in!!!!  They even
>had to get an accomplished studio guitarist ( Darryl Stermer ) to tour with
>them, because Rutherford couldn't handle Hackett's licks.  Darryl did a
>pretty good job, but he is no Steve Hackett!!  Maybe it is because their
>music took a turn for the commercial after he left, that you are so
>enamoured at aimlessly putting down one of the key ingredients to early
>Genesis' critical success!!  Shame on you!!  Go take a Genesis history
>lesson before you open your big mouth about something you seem to know
>nothing about!!!!!
>
> Fuming in Austin
>
>Jomama

OK, OK, stop your fuming. I must rephrase here, and I hope I can make it
brief. Steve Hackett is a very talented guitarist, one of the best out
there.  What I was trying to say that I feel he and Genesis just weren't a
match, more on a personal and spiritual level than anything else. Musically
it was like there were Genesis' ideas and Steve's ideas, they sometimes
seemed to be pushing against each other. The occasional great guitar solo
would stick out and grab my attention, or I'd notice his guitar work during
an extended instrumental section where he had a chance to stretch out. I've
read in interviews with him that he was never particularly happy in
Genesis, that at best they were a job and a paycheck and a chance to
express himself creatively. When Peter Gabriel left, Hackett, who had never
gotten along with Tony Banks particularly to begin with, began accusing
Tony of stealing his songwriting credits. He left after Wind And Wuthering
because he believed he was more responsible for the band's music than he
was given credit for. He may have had a case, for all I know; The rest of
the band, being friends since school aside from Phil, pulled ranks and
backed Tony on the dispute. If you've ever wondered why Steve never plays
at Genesis reunions, that's why.  He and Tony refuse to appear onstage with
each other. Wonder what will happen when they make the Hall of Fame? In
Tony Philips' case, he doesn't like playing live. The songwriter credits
weren't as important before Gabriel left, because the songs were all
credited to the band. After Gabriel, songs were credited to individual
songwriters for the first time, which caused the dispute over credits to
come to a head. As I recall, Steve's only writing credits(I could be
wrong)on A Trick Of The Tail and Wind And Wuthering were Los Endos and Wot
Gorilla? Both instumentals.

  Sorry to bore anybody with no interest in Genesis. Hey, at least this
isn't about Air Supply or heavy metal. Back to our regularly scheduled
program.

Chris

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From: CCooli9575@aol.com
Message-ID: <b477ec22.246ca1ae@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:44:14 EDT
Subject: Andy in Rolling Stone

  Thought this would be of interest to the list, it's in issue #813, the
one with Jennifer Love Hewitt on the cover.(Schwing! She's a babe!
Yodyyodyyodyyodyyodyyody...And no, I don't watch Party of Five either)

FIVE FAVORITE TUNES OF ANDY PARTRIDGE
The Beatles-Rain
It's certainly got buckets of fire. It seemed to have everything you wanted
from all the individual Beatles: some of Ringo's loosest, most exciting
drumming, great, bulldog-teeth-in-your-groin guitar tone; Mc CArtney's most
acrobatic, melodic bass. It's that snapshot of them right before they tip
over and start to slide down.

Burt Bacharach- Casino Royale
Distressingly perfect. This seemed to be the best side of the music of my
parent's generation. It's like somebody distilled sunshine and made it into
a piece of music, like someone got a yellow crayon and played it.

The Kinks- Autumn Almanac
It's like a little minioperetta or something without any pomposity, like
half a dozen tiny little songs. They pass you on from hand to hand, which
in my opinion is perfect songwriting. It's like this decaying, beautiful
garden gate somewhere in an English suburb, set to music.

Honeybus- I Can't Let Maggie Go
It's almost the perfect pop song- just acoustic guitar, bass and drums,
chugging along midtempo. It uses the sort of melody and chord changes that
you wouldn't hear outside the classics or jazz. It's got a sweet
resignation to it.

Judee Sill- Kiss
One of the crimes of the century is you can't get this record on CD. Judee
Sill was by all accounts a reformed prostitute, but she found God in the
twelve-string guitar. This song scares the shit out of most people.

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From: CCooli9575@aol.com
Message-ID: <110db550.246ca1c7@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:44:39 EDT
Subject: The Happy Valley Lion

>Hey Max Germer,
>
>There's an absolutely mad XTC fanatic in Montague. Sorry I missed your
>gig at the Iron Horse, but I was slogging at the Hadley Pizza Hut...
>
>Andy Partridge rules and Wal Mart sucks.
>
>Liz

  I haven't lived in the Happy Valley for over ten years, but I went to
college and was turned onto XTC there. My friend Chris Barnard still lives
in Greenfield, and I remember him being an XTC fan back then and probably
still is one now. And ah yes, Hadley, my last address in the Noho/Armrest
area before I moved to Montreal. I had a rehearsal space in the basement of
the now-defunct Carburs(there's still one here in Burlington, VT, though),
and recorded countless demos down there, including a rather eerie cover of
"All Of A Sudden(It's Too Late)." Some of them might be worth releasing if
I could find them, most of them were lost during my many moves in the 80's
and early 90's.

Chris

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Message-Id: <s73b1a94.090@chemonics.com>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:28:01 -0400
From: Todd Bernhardt <tbernhardt@chemonics.com>
Subject: Re:What Dog Doo Tastes Like

Hi:

Gene responded to me and the list by saying:

>>> How incredibly presumptuous -- and downright mean-spirited -- of you to
judge someone whom you've never met (and, even if you have, whom you don't
know) in a public forum. Whose "reports" are you basing your judgement
on?<<<

>Published ones, by numerous journalists and a couple biographers. And no,
I'm not looking up author names!<

Hmm, the band has only two biographers I know of (Chris Twomey and
Phillippe Bihan). My french is rather rusty (rustique?), so I've only read
Twomey's book, but I don't recall him analyzing or making suppositions
about Andy Partridge's motivations without asking the man himself.

>Well, I guess I might count the probably hundreds of accumulated hours
I've spent reading about xtc as research. (Place thumb and forefinger
shaped in the letter "L" on forehead now.)<

Well, I suppose I've done the same amount of "research" as you, and spoken
with Andy several times, including one two-hour interview, and I don't feel
qualified to speculate about why he does what he does.

>>> and talking to people on the other side of the issue?<<<

>Just one in person, someone who worked with xtc.<

And they said?

>A lot more than you know about me, I think. So who's being presumptuous.<

I was making a comment about something you clearly stated in a public
forum, and -- I think -- your motivation was clear. You, on the other hand,
were making comments based on second-hand reports, and making a leap in
logic from those sources' description of _events_ to Andy Partridge's
_motivations_. Quite different, IMO.

> But I am sincerely sorry for causing you or anyone else offense by my
remarks ("emotionally stunted" was indeed harsh wording), as I intended
them to be more observation than judgement.<

I wasn't offended. It made me angry to see the kind of writing that keeps
Andy off the list in the first place.

>To clarify, I never suggested Andy Partridge is a bad person, father, or
friend, nor do I want to speculate. But it is apparent that he's had a
disproportionately large number of clashes with a lot of different people
directly affecting his band, music, career.<

Which he is, naturally, rather protective of. Again, do you really know
enough about all of the circumstances surrounding these clashes to place
the blame on Andy's shoulders (or in his head)?

> Disportionate to what or whom, you ask. Colin Moulding and Dave Gregory,
for two.<

How much do you know about the professional and/or personal clashes Colin
or Dave have had? Perhaps theirs just haven't been as public as Andy's.

> Nothing everybody here didn't already know, of course. I should have
added the first time around that genius often arises from strong
personalities, and few here would argue that Andy Partridge possesses true
genius.<

But how do you make the leap in logic from someone possessing "true genius"
to someone with "recurring personnel/personality perversions"?  These are
unfounded assumptions on your part.

>Anyway, even you regard my view as passing judgement, it's not
uninformed.<

Not completely uninformed, but not informed enough to pass judgement on
others' motivations. Besides, is an informed point of view _ever_ really
reason enough to pass judgement on someone else? If so, how informed does
one have to be before one is qualified to do so?

> And making informed judgement is a natural part of any critical
discourse, which this public forum certainly is. For that, I too am glad
Andy Partridge doesn't read this list. (I was counting on it last week,
obviously!)  I wouldn't in his shoes. But my main point is, if we were to
apply Todd's logic, the work of every scholar, writer and historian, among
others, would all be shit, to use his term.<

As far as I know, this public forum is about the music and art of XTC, and
how it relates to us, the participants in the forum. It's not -- IMO, and I
guess I might be wrong -- a place to bandy about ill-informed theories
about why the members are living their lives in one way or another.

That still leaves us many, many things to discuss -- for example, we can
talk about their music and the way it makes us feel; we can talk about what
we think the songwriter might have meant by a certain set of lyrics; and so
on. But it doesn't give us carte blanche to dissect a person's personal
motivations. Knowing the art and knowing the artist are _not_ the same
thing. Responsible critics, scholars, writers and historians know this.

>Why Andy does the things he does as he runs his band seems to me a very
relevant topic, because this is an xtc discussion group.<

If we hear it from a primary source. That's one of the reasons I'm glad
people like Mitch et. al. are on the list. Otherwise, it's just speculation
on our parts.

>If you want to talk about mean spirit, you baked a pretty good one
yourself, Todd. Or maybe just when you're "cranky". ;-) (oops-- another
dash of chocolate sprinkles?? )<

Sorry, Gene -- I should have said at least prefaced my rant with a "welcome
back." Please don't take this as a personal attack. It's something I feel
very strongly about, obviously. I care about Chalkhills and its --
certainly, when compared to other similar Internet lists -- consistently
high level of discourse, and so I tend to get rather vehement in my defense
of what I see as the proper rules of engagement.

--Todd

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Message-ID: <000901be9da4$32adc940$28bfa0d0@meridith-s>
From: "squirrelgirl" <squirrelgirl@citrusonline.net>
Subject: Is Andy P. in here?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:52:48 -0400

Howdy 'Hillians!

The more I think about it, I really do believe that Andy P. is lurking
behind a pseudonym or alter ego on this list.  But which one?   Dunks?
Chris D.?  Chris C.?  Harrison? Dom?  Molly?  Amanda?

Which one do YOU think is the real Andy P.?

Just food for thought,

Squirrelgirl

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From: WWi8064839@aol.com
Message-ID: <a6443fdf.246cd8af@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:38:55 EDT
Subject: Dave and Andy's Guitar Solos

Honestly, I could never tell Dave and Andy's guitar solos apart unless it
was specifically written somewhere. Andy's quite a soloist and can create
some clever doodles on the fretboard. Check out the solos on "We'll Build a
House" from Martin Newell's "Greatest Living Englishman" and "Books are
Burning" (in which he and Dave trade solos).

Wes Wilson

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From: WWi8064839@aol.com
Message-ID: <83d2568e.246cd975@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:42:13 EDT
Subject: "Fly Upon the Wall" by Blur?

At the Tower Music station, I heard "Bugman" from the new Blur album today.
Sounds like they've been listening to English Settlement, eh? (By the way,
Blur should hang it up. They'll never outdo Parklife.)

Wes Wilson

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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:49:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles <mullin@sscf.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Newell and other recommendations
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.990513182357.25052A-100000@alishaw>

Hi gang!

I gotta get some new CD's!  I often hear people in this newsletter
recommending various bands/artists, but foolishly I have not paid studious
attention to these recommedations nor have I committed them to memory.  Is
there any archive of bands/artists that people in this newsgroup have
recommended?  If anyone wants to email me with a list, feel free!

I have dug Martin Newell since I got "Greatest Living Englishman" when it
first came out, but I have not gotten around to purchasing any other
Newell product.  My job (University professor) does not afford me tons of
spending cash, and I tend to get depressed when I buy a CD that sucks, so
I have to choose wisely.  Of the Newell catalog, I have been considering
"Golden Cleaners" (Cleaners From Venus comp.) and possibly the "Off White
Album."  However those are both imports to me, and would cost about $25
each, whereas I can get "The Wayward Genius of Martin Newell" for about
$13.  Where can I find a track listing for the latter album?  Please
advise.

Someone in this newsgroup recommended some Terry Hall product once.  I
thought it was an album, but it may have been a single.  Any particular
Terry Hall recommendations?  He has a compilation which covers his entire
career (incl. some Specials)...is this a worthy album?

Also, any opinion as to what the best online source of CD's is?  Is there
any place with some kind of "15% off with every purchase over $100" deals
going?

XTC content?  Hmmmm...had the opportunity to see XTC and the Police play
in a gym in my hometown circa 1979.  Missed it for reasons that are now
lost in the mists of time.  I did however see The Knack, Tom Petty, and
The Pretenders (separate concerts) in that same gym between 1978 and 1979
though.

Thanks!

Charles

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Message-ID: <373B9B51.F0D5910D@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:41:06 -0700
From: Yoshiko Yeto <beaudrillard@earthlink.net>
Subject: my convoluted picks

Let us talk about some trivial things we like.

---Mssr. Moulding

Esteemed Chalkhillians:

As usual, I am the wallflower finally participating in a weeks old
discussion.  Please kindly excuse the belated relevance...My picks for the
five most important musical artists are as follows:

1. Charles Mingus
His music beautifully captures the neuroses of the modern city dweller in
pieces such as "II BS".  Acting as a foil to the aforementioned piece,
"Peggy's Blue Skylight" lush harmonies transcend this earthly plane.

2. Astor Piazzola
Piazzola single handedly revolutionized the tango by incorporating the feel
of jazz with elements of modern classical music in this traditional form.

3. Nicolas Slonimsky
Slonimsky's "Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns" is probably one of
the most referenced books in music theory.

4. Brian Eno
Utilizing concepts previously relegated to the visual arts, Eno established
process oriented music.  Essentially, ideas became of equal importance to
music itself.  Eno's "Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy), originally
released in 1974, still sounds relevant and contemporary.

5. The Shaggs
The Shaggs defied all conventions of music theory, musicianship, and
musicality!  Their songs breathtakingly teetered on impending
disintegration, yet they always miraculously managed to "stay together".  I
defy anyone to try their nerve shattering tightrope act!  As an all girl
group, they provide inspiration to us deranged members of the double x
chromosome set.

Well, I must retire for the evening, so that I can prepare to toil another
grueling day at the non (emphasis on non) profit organization.  Ahh, love
on a farmgirl's wages...

Uffingtonly yours,

Malady Nelson

Some people say
That I am out of my tree
Or just a strawberry fool
---oh, you know who

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Message-ID: <373BAEE5.F5851EC1@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:04:37 -0700
From: Yoshiko Yeto <beaudrillard@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: XTC Concert

The senses are the organs through which man communicates with external
objects.

---Jean-Anthelme Brillat-Savarin
The Physiology of Taste, 1825

Chauncy and Fellow Chalkhillians:

I should like to contribute to the vittles for the XTC concert.  My
proposed menu of tastes would consist of:

1. Seared scallops with wilted fennel in a Calvados reduction
2. Poached quail eggs perfumed with black truffles
3. Peeky toe crabs sauteed with lemon grass and ginger
4. Stilton gnocchi topped with apple wood smoked salmon
5. Tagine of pidgeon accompanied by preserved lemons
6. Pain perdu (for my friend Mary)
7. A proper carmelized pear trifle

For my culinary efforts, would you kindly play "Leisure"?  I would
like to join in on that number by replicating Andy's saxophone solo on
my clarinet!  How about it?

Malady "Senses Working Over Time" Nelson

p.s. As evidenced by Orson Welles, gastronomy is a death sentence.  On
his final evening, he consumed a six course meal at Ma Maison,
followed by 14 (I believe) hot dogs from Pinks!  Thus, I fully expect
this XTC extravaganza of music and epicurian delights to yield the
death knolls.  At my wake, please kindly play "Chain of Command" to
encourage frenzied dancing by my friends and loved ones.

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Message-ID: <373BD5EF.25F0037F@mnsi.net>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 03:52:26 -0400
From: Michael Stone <nedrise@MNSi.Net>
Subject: a fantasy list

> what would your dream XTC tribute album be?

Molly  -what a great idea!

I can use any body  I want ? O K then...Here's my list.

1.        Summer's Cauldron/Grass  -k d lang
2.        I Remember The Sun    -Bill Bruford & Earthworks
3.        Vanishing Girl  -The Hollies
4.        Easter Theatre  - Chicago Symphony Orchestra
5.        No Thugs in Our House  -The Kinks
6.        Love on a Farmboy's Wages  -The Chieftains
7.        River of Orchids  - Kronos Quartet
8         No Language in Our Lungs  -The Pretenders
9.        The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul - Sun Ra Arkestra
10.      medley: Greenman/Human Alchemy/Deliver Us From The Elements
                               -Genesis(w/ Peter Gabriel)
11.      Church of Women  -Terry and the Lovemen
12.      I Can't Own Her   -Nat King Cole
13.      Travels in Nihilon     -The Who
14.      Then She Appeared  - The Beatles

Did any body else play that music trivia contest on Yahoo on Wednesday night?
It was mo fo ing tough!

Mike

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From: Jdmack01@aol.com
Message-ID: <3d73de97.246d5beb@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 06:58:51 EDT
Subject: I'M SORRY!!!

Forgive me!  I really meant to change the subject line before I sent that
last message!  It's 7:00 am, and I can't unsend the message with my
software.

J. D.

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Message-ID: <373C1778.95F5E5D2@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:30:49 -0400
From: Todd and Jennifer Bernhardt <toddjenn@erols.com>
Subject: The Internet Rules

Hi:

> If "Chips" sounds "dated", (and I assume you meant that negatively,) then
> you don't "get" the Dukes, and if you don't get the Dukes, how can you
> really "get" XTC?

Liz I, I'm sure you're going to hear this from several people, but:
It was a JOKE.

Eddie St. Martin posited:

> so,maybe morgasm is a morning orgasm?

Great! Cool interpretation...

Speaking of great, that was a great tribute list, Molly. I especially like

> 6.     Statue of Liberty - Squeeze
> 7.     Another Satellite - Kate Bush
> 9.      Jump - Neil Finn
> 12.    Mayor of Simpleton - Paul McCartney

Haven't thought much of Paulie's efforts lately, but I'd love to hear him
do that song. The bass line was custom-made for him.

Melissa asked:

> PS to Todd - what other kind of child could Chrissy Hynde and Rudolph
> Nureyev have than a bastard child?  ;-)

A bitchy child?  :^)

Just wondering: Is all this confusion about where "No Thugs" falls in the
running order of English Settlement based on where it's placed on the
(bogus) single-LP release? The CD, after all, matches the running order of
the double-LP version.

Paul from Oz said:

> I used the wealth of material contained in that interview to compose items
>  that I submitted to most of the major newspapers and specific music organs
>  in this country - all to no avail.  Disappointing after a lot of hard work
>  on my part.  I guess I'm just not the "journalist" I sometimes aspire to
>  be.  But I still reckon my interviews with AP and TC are corkers!
>  Nevertheless, it's great to see our boys getting coverage in Oz.

Don't feel bad -- what you've experienced is fairly typical. The odds are
always against the freelancer who does work and then shops it around. Most
media outlets that you're going to want your stuff published by will want
the work to be done by their own people; it's usually only the smaller,
less-prestigious publications that will publish unsolicited work.

This is the greatness of the Internet, though -- it's making this crap less
and less necessary. Bypass the record and publishing companies, say I, and
go directly to The People!

And now for something completely different: A man with three
buttocks. Wait, that's not it. Oh. I was mistaken in my last post when I
said there were only two biographers of XTC. A quick glance at Chalkhills
reminded me that two Italian gentlemen -- Paolo Bertrando and Vittorio
Azzoni -- have also written XTC books. However, because my Italian-language
skills don't extend beyond the food groups, I haven't read them either.

To clarify my points to Gene in that last post: I'm not saying that Gene is
wrong in his assessment of Andy's personality or his motivations. For all
we know, he might be right. But -- and this is the crux of the biscuit for
me -- we _don't_ know, and so I think that's territory we should steer
clear of.

I also realize that some people may look at my regard for the "rules of
engagement" here on Chalkhills as naive -- after all, this is the Internet,
where anarchy generally rules. But I don't see the guidelines I'm talking
about (discussing the art rather than the artist, the action rather than
the actor) as particularly restricting. Posts based on first-hand knowledge
or analysis will always be more interesting to me than those based on
assumption or conjecture, and it seems to me there are far more topics and
opportunities for us to write about the former than there are for the
latter.

And if you disagree with that, well, I'll retreat behind the defense we can
all use: It's my opinion.  :^)

-Todd

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