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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 204

                   Tuesday, 11 May 1999

Today's Topics:

              We are gathered here today...
                       Crank it up
                       Bonus Tracks
                 Re: I Saw Andy Partridge
           Re: Nasal Bassoon? French Trombone?
                         Re: AV2
                      AP on the list
                         Come on!
                     Come on Eileen!~
               Cousins and Mummers, Nonsuch
                   Re: River of Berlin
                       Space Ghost
                 Harvest Festival Mystery
        write a song about love? are you kidding?
                 Mea culpa, Episode 2785


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:29:29 EDT
Subject: We are gathered here today...

Hello XTC Clan,

Just thought I would pick up on the funeral - song - spin, of late. Since
there are what 1500 Chalkies, you all get 1500th of my small, but modest
estate!  (And my debts...kidding!)

This maybe too typical, or even on the sappie side, but I tried to hold
back this one, having tried to resist the temptation of providing too much
information about myself on this digest, but here goes.

When my father passed away in 1994, the song that took me away to far away
places, was *Hold Me My Daddy,* for obvious reasons.  I was close to him,
anyway, and was not *needing* to say I loved him, say after his passing.
Luckily, I was one person who had a relatively close relationship with my
father.  You can never have enough opportunities to convey these sentiments
to loved ones, I think.

But that song, still to this day, chokes me up.  It is a beautiful ballad,
and has left an indelible mark on my soul.  For it fills me nostalgically
when I think of him.  All the good things in life too!  The music that
brings me out of that tailspin is from Skylarking, for its rite of passage

Quoting Neal Buck:

Unless this is the same song you were considering, there is, from the The
Doors, *This is the end,* which hauntingly is probably too trippie for a
funeral scenario.  But I think most of Van Morrison's tunes are a somber
and subtle reminder of life, given its lyrics and musical landscapes,
perhaps giving rise to thought provoking memories for such a social
gathering place.  It seems to fit the mood best, from my vantage point at

An even better mood producing scenario: I just want to have a party at my
funeral!  It would be required to play Van Morrison and the Chieftains, and
have a Kegger of Guinness on hand for those paying respects...Drink and be
merry!  You know?

My slogan in Life: *He had but only one political aspiration in life: Don't
eat Grapes, the Pesticides don't wash out,* on the headstone.  Sorry if I
am morbid, but, its an honest approach to dealing with the unknown, and
funny too (at least those who know me best would agree :O)

[I have had a secondary boycott on Table Grapes since I met Cesar Chavez,
the California Grape Growers President, in 1985.  He was the one man who
took on the crusade to stop employers in California from spraying those
pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides on the plants and consequently, the
migrant farmers, who have developed cancer, and whose children are/were
born deformed as a result.  Chavez died in 1994, I think, from the very
thing he was attempting to blockade: the sprays, and the inevitable

*I forgot to say I love you!* - AP

Have a great day all!

John Gardner


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:53:22 EDT
Subject: Sidebar

Hello again,

Just a sidebar to my last post.

Having read Digest #5 - 202, and written my putrescent little number of my
funeral, etc, now I cannot get *The Last Balloon* out my head.  The ringing
of the bells, the theme and the line: *The last balloon is leaving.* See
how this works?  Inevitably the subconscience takes you places you never
intended upon going to.



Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:09:08 -0400
From: Todd Bernhardt <>
Subject: Crank it up


Feeling cranky this morning. A train ride plagued by technical
difficulties was compounded by Gene Yoon, who said:
>as a human being I don't have a rosey impression of Mr. P.
Emotionally stunted man, by most

How incredibly presumptuous -- and downright mean-spirited -- of you
to judge someone whom you've never met (and, even if you have, whom
you don't know) in a public forum. Whose "reports" are you basing your
judgement on? Are you balancing those reports by doing some research
and talking to people on the other side of the issue? How much exactly
do you know about the myriad, complex and interrelated factors that
led to Andy's "burned bridges"?

Idol speculation (yes, the pun is intended) like this is the reason
that I hope (and know) Andy is not on this list. After all, why would
he waste his time on the half-baked personality theories of a bunch of
nasty little trainspotters like us? He's got more important things to
do, like make music. Great music.

And yes, Gene, I know you tempered your comments with:
>who cares about the man if he makes music that we enjoy and appreciate?
his private life is none of our business, etc.etc.  <snip> and Apple Venus
isn't any less brilliant because of Partridge's recurring
personnel/personality perversions.  <

But that don't do it for me. Putting chocolate sprinkles on a dog-doo
snowcone ("perversions"?!?) may make it taste a little better, but
it's still shit underneath.

You ended with:
>In the end we still have the music, and it's all good.<

We agree there. Discussing his (and Colin's) music, after all, is why
we're here, IMO, rather than guessing at the reasons why Andy does the
things he does as he runs his band or his life.

Michael Davies chimed in with this charming and considered reply to
Harrison's musings on the origins of "morgasm":
>Of course that's it.  Why would it be anything else? It's certainly
not a word.<

Well, I guess that settles it! Thanks for putting this issue to bed,
Michael, and I look forward to more of your sparkling wit and
well-researched replies.

And, on a more positive note -- actual insights relating to XTC's
music, courtesy of Kiwi James Dignan:
>anyone else see a similarity in chord structure and melody between
dictionary" and Patti Smith's classic "Dancing barefoot"?<

By James, George, you've got it! The whole "black on black, a
guidebook ..." part is definitely reminiscent of that song! (Off an
album, BTW, that Todd Rundgren produced...)

Finally, Tyler Hewitt talked about an article in the NY Times that
goes into why and how bands get reamed by record companies, a subject
near and dear to the parts of musicians and fans alike. I'd also point
people toward, where they can read about
how one eccentric, brilliant, frighteningly articulate English
guitarist is fighting the power and taking control of his art while
providing others with an opportunity to do the same.

Here I go and I don't know why,


From: Huw Davies <>
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:40:28 GMT0BST
Subject: Bonus Tracks

I just thought I'd give my views on the issue of bonus tracks on the
CD reissues. I became a fan of XTC after the the CDs were released so
I guess my attitude towards the albums is affected by the inclusion
of the bonus tracks. A case in point is Mummer. I feel that some of
the bonus tracks are better than the songs on the original album.
"Wonderland" and "Deliver us from the Elements" are two of my least
favourite XTC songs and I think that "Jump" and "Toys" are much more
worthy of inclusion on the album. However I have a completely
different attitude towards Black Sea and whenever I listen to it I
program my CD player to miss out the bonus tracks. Black Sea works
much better as a whole album. I do agree that the bonus tracks should
have been put on the end of the CDs. The whole way the CDs were
re-issued and re-packaged seems to show a complete lack of thought
and care on Virgin's part. They didn't even reproduce the
original artwork and I feel like I'm really missing out when it comes
to the likes of English Settlement. I think I might even go out and
buy the vinyl version of ES. There's a second hand record shop in
Cardiff that I've seen it in, but at the moment I really don't have
the money.

Re: Songs for AV2
One song that I would really like to see on AV2 would be "Church of
Women". Another would be "You and the Clouds Will Still be Beautiful"
but I gather that it's not in the running which is a huge shame. Oh

Huw Davies


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:17:24 EDT
Subject: Re: I Saw Andy Partridge


Saw Andy at the Arts '99 Chicago.

Anybody else?

I saw him only after a bunch of people were standing around him and he said
quite clearly, "I'm here to enjoy the show. I have a friend at the exhibit."

Anybody else see him (I haven't been keeping up with the mailing list
lately...)???? Please respond.

I'm a little puzzled that he was there as I want him to be working on the
next album.




Message-ID: <001501be9bab$f56f2f50$1df1c4cc@ois-010783.DOA.STATE.LA.US>
From: "John Voorhees" <>
Subject: Re: Nasal Bassoon? French Trombone?
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:44:07 -0500

James Dignan asked:
> what is that weird 'nasal bassoon' instrument providing the rhythmic
>motif in "Greenman"? Is it a crumhorn?
I've seen this question pop up a few times, but has no one taken it on yet?
To my ears, this nasal bassoon is in fact... a bassoon!  Or rather, a
bassoon and a contra-bassoon playing together.  The contra is laying down
the low drone note.

John Voorhees


Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Benjamin Lukoff <>
Subject: Re: AV2
Message-ID: <>

> On Mon, 10 May 1999 10:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Misty Shock wrote:
> "My Brown Guitar"
> "I Don't Want To Be Here"	 :( Sorry this won't be on
> "We're All Light"  Hard to think of an XTC song more instantly likable
> These all sound like Paul McCartney, btw -- "My Brown Guitar" is Beatley,
> "I Don't Want To Be Here" sounds like a 90s Macca b-side, and "We're All
> Light" just because it sounds like something cheezy Paul would say
> (Actually, look at Q's Cash For Questions).  As Andy gets older, he's
> becoming more and more like Paul McCartney.  And come on, we all know that
> Paul is the heart of the Beatles. ;)

And Andy is a dead ringer for Paul in "How Easter Theatre Came To Be".
Sounds like something out of Oobu Joobu!

Benjamin Lukoff
"She is by my side, and the sky is wide -- so let the sun shine bright"
  -- Ray Davies


Message-Id: <4782AD6ADDBDD2119B570008C75DD5C10A3088@MGMTM02>
From: Lawson Dominic <>
Subject: Oops!
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:01:58 +0100

Another day, another abusive post (sorry!) and another cowardly little
e-mail from Ed Miller. No change there then.

Yes, I know my reponse to Dunks was over the top. Apologies to anyone who
was offended by the swearing etc etc

I'm sorry for spoiling things for the fragile few, but Dunks' insulted me,
my post and my favourite music, so I insulted him back. Yes, it was a bit
nasty, but despite what the fool Miller seems to believe, I'm not actually a
nasty person. You'll all make your own minds up, and quite right too, but
don't assume I'm an asshole just because I choose to vehemently defend
something I care about.



Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:22:34 -0400
Subject: AP on the list
From: "Duncan Watt" <>

>And lastly, Andy, if
>you're out there (and I know you are) why not completely cement this
>obsession we have with XTCs' music and reveal yourself ?

Maybe he IS here. Forest-for-the-trees, y'know? Give us a frickin' Sign
already, will'ya?

Waiting for the rap-ture,

Duncan Watt


Message-ID: <>
From: "kristi leigh siegel" <>
Subject: Come on!
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:21:09 PDT

Mike "Oh, behave!" Myers wrote:

>>-  It's been fun reading the last few issues of this digest because it
>>seems to me that more females are posting on a regular basis than before
>>and I for one appreciate their point of view and comments.

This is a pick-up line, isn't it? ;-)



Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:03:40 EDT
Subject: Come on Eileen!~

Hey XTC Clan,

In the U. S., Music Boulevard merged with CDNOW.  I think it's been
mentioned on the 'gest before.  But, while visiting and enquiring about the
XTC schtuff, I found an album, a compilation rather, entitled *1982-Cmj
Year In Alternative Music * with the following song list:

01. Come On Eileen - Dexy's Midnight Runners
02. Our House - Madness
03. Sensed Working Overtime - XTC
04. A Town Called Malice - The Jam
05. Tainted Love - Soft Cell
06. Never Say Never - Romeo Void
07. I Know What Boys Like - Waitresses
08. Homosapien - Pete Shelley
09. The Look Of Love (Part One) - ABC
10. Love Plus One - Haircut One Hundred
11. Nick The Stripper - Birthday Party
12. Shoot Out The Lights - Richard And Linda Thompson

This reminds me too much of the 80's, a period of music I would rather not
remember.  I will take Number 3 and 4 above, and that is it!

John Gardner


Message-Id: <>
Date: 11 May 99 16:14:05 -0400
From: Jennifer Ralston <>

Sorry everyone, but...

Joe! My replies to your note have been bounced back
numerous times; any alternate addresses for me?

Huw: My note to you was bounced back as well, but thanks
for the Billy Bragg note.

Thanks too to John Y in KC for the Billy Bragg lyrics.
How silly that upon reading them, I find his song must
have been about a different Mary.

carry on...

Say a sunflower I became, I'd be growing in your brain...


Message-ID: <>
From: "Bennett, Kristen L." <>
Subject: Cousins and Mummers, Nonsuch
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:48:00 -0500

Chris Coolidge wrote:
>I've found that more women than men I know are
>XTC fans. I don't know why that is.

No way!  I've barely met any females who were into XTC...just several
guys who were fanatics and several more who've heard of them.  But I
have few female friends who even know who XTC are.  People here in
Indiana seem to think XTC is the name of a rap group.

and he wrote:
>So if you're looking to settle down with an XTC fan, who knows, you
>may get lucky.

One can only hope.  Like I said, help me out cousin.  Tell Sue to keep
her eyes open as well.  <G>

Todd Bernhardt wrote:
>Do individual preferences (pro vs. con) about Mummer correlate with
>whether the individual heard the album pre- or post-CD?

Well, I heard it first a couple years ago on CD, and only last week did
I find a vinyl copy for 50 cents.  Silly me, I wondered where all the songs
were!  At least Ladybird was intact.  But seriously, I LOVED that album
on CD.  I thought "Toys" and "Jump" were fantastic.  The only one I didn't
care for was "Procession..."

-- Francis wrote:
>The extra tracks in the middle of the CDs drive me batty on Mummer
>and Black Sea.  I'm sorry, they're just wrong, and they interrupt the flow
>in the big way.

I guess since I never heard it before CD, I didn't realize there WAS a
flow.  But, as I've mentioned before, I wondered why "No Thugs" was
placed between "Jason" and "Yacht Dance."  Then it was pointed
out to me that it wasn't actually between them on the original vinyl.
That's what I get for becoming an XTC fan A.C.D. (after CD) I guess.
The original vision is lost on me.  And I guess it's harder for me to get
into any album before English Settlement....the older stuff just sounds
so rough and messy.  Oh, God, I just made all you "old-school" fans
scream on the inside, didn't I?  I'll just have to quantify that with a
statement that I like SOME of the old stuff, just not as much of it.

KT Coope wrote:
>But it seems I'm the only person on this list who doesn't like 'that

You're not the only one, baby!  That song is Yuk.  But I could listen
to "The Disappointed" and "Holly" over and over and over ad nauseum.
Obviously I prefer the overproduced tracks on Nonsvch, eh?

Thanks to anyone taking the time to listen, and praise God for XTC,


"Now, by the world, it is a lusty wench; I love her ten times more than e'er
I did:
O, how I long for a chat with her."  W. Shakespeare


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:33:41 -0700
Subject: Re: River of Berlin

anyone ever noticed how the beginning of 'river of orchids' sounds just
like the beginning of lou reed's 'berlin' album? i'm talking about the
loud sound of machinery(?) (anyone know what that sound is?) giving way
to slow piano playing in the intro of the song.
* -----------------------------------------------
why do the longest posts on chalkhills have the least xtc content?
* -----------------------------------------------
now that my body is quite used to a steady diet of av1, i find myself
skipping over 'i can't own her' and 'last balloon' all the time. so sue
* ------------------------------------------------
the best of xtc, tue., may 11,1999:
1. the cover of 'white music' (andy's white trousers)
2. "....layyourhead, layyourhead, layyourhead, layyourhead..."
3. harvest festival
4. "waxworks, the singles"
5. andy singing "neh-NEH-neh-ne-neh-ne-neh...etc." in his shed on the ET
6. the uffington horse

the best of everything else:
1. olivia tremor control "black foliage - animation music"
for those of you who haven't heard it, i.m.o. it's the best thing to
come out this year.

sgt. rock is going to help me,


Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:56:56 -0400
Subject: Space Ghost
Message-ID: <>

Does anybody else know when the Space Ghost with Andy will be on?  I
would love to know.  I get Cartoon Network and I'm planning on taping the
show, even though I don't usually watch Coast to Coast.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:16:54 -0800
From: michaelw <>
Subject: Harvest Festival Mystery


Does anyone know where the sound sample at the very beginning of the
song (what sounds like a school classroom, and all the kids moving
their chairs? or standing up)
came from?  It introduces the song quite nicely, but has been bugging
me ever since I heard the CD (as the demo doesn't have it).
Also, what do you think are the chances of seeing a Moulding/Gregory
composition and/or collaboration in the near future?

Film at 11!



Message-ID: <>
From: "Jason Garcia" <>
Subject: write a song about love? are you kidding?
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:21:51 PDT

re: "All You Need Is Love"

>The song is simply a rather careless distillation of a mood that had >been
>pervasive throughout society, and particularly the >counterculture, for at
>least the preceding few months.  John didn't
>make peace and love fashionable with this song: he was conforming to
> >fashion.

Yeah, but that wasn't the Beatles' fault.  BBC comes to them and says,
"hey, we're doing this satellite link thing, we want you to
represent Britain, write a song or something, but keep it simple."
So literally one or two weeks before the airing, John scribbles some
bullshit about love, they record some harpsichord, they gather up
Mick Jagger and a bunch of other hippie children, and voila, they're
on the air and everyone loves the message.  It was a written-to-order song,
definitely.  I love the Beatles, and I think one of the reasons
is because they were the kings of bullshit.  They were always in the
right place at the right time to make deep meaningful statements
with simple "well, duh" ideas.

And now, back to lurking...


Message-ID: <>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Mea culpa, Episode 2785
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:13:23 PDT

Dear Chalkers

A sincere 'sorry' to Dom for my snide and wise-ass dig at Metal. I WAS
joking of course, but as usual I forgot that :) thingy.

And please don't flame the poor guy OK? He was having a bad day. We all
have them - God knows I've had my share recently. I'm a big boy - I can
take a serve, and I did probably earn that one to some extent.
Let's save the bandwidth for something more useful - like picking on Molly
:) Dom and I have kissed and made up and the engagement will be announced
in the Times soon. (Watch for our photo on a forthcoming cover of Country
Life.  Dom loks just dishy in his Slayer-inspired codpiece, and I think my
pink silk gown looks thimply divine. Should I shave off the beard though?)




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