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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 20

                 Friday, 20 November 1998

Today's Topics:

               Fano Guitars Website Update
Andy's Real Dictionary and Yet Another Explanation of THE FEAR
                       TVT Security
                         Big Day
Lightening never strikes in the same place twice so don't move!
                         Re: O&L
                   That zany >> button
                   Re: Oranges & Lemons
                  Re: Oranges and Lemons
                 Re: Wanker Rotary Engine
                  Overproducers and such
                    wankers wanking...
                      EEK, O&L Again
        Regarding ordering XTC over the internet.
                  appropriate commentary
                 The Inner Mounting Flame
                    Re: Brahms & Liszt
                        More stuff
                      Terry vs. Phil
                        Mummerings
                           xtc

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From: FANOGTRS@aol.com
Message-ID: <dc0eefd5.36545486@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:25:26 EST
Subject: Fano Guitars Website Update

Hello!

We have changed the layout of FanoGuitars.com and have added new pictures of
Andy Partridge and Dave Gregory with their guitars, and David Yazbek with
his Electric Mandocello.  Please come by and visit.

We will soon be adding pages for the newest additions to our Artist
List...Chris Difford of Squeeze and Ed Robertson of Barenaked Ladies....
I will let you know when those are up.  Thanks!

www.FanoGuitars.com

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Message-ID: <900822C71730D2118D8C00805F65765C1FD6FF@einstein.moneystar.com>
From: Jill Oleson <oleson@moneystar.com>
Subject: Andy's Real Dictionary and Yet Another Explanation of THE FEAR
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:48:14 -0600

With the imminent release of "My Dictionary" on the forthcoming
"Apple Venus" album, I thought now would be a good time to pass
the following Andy story on to you Chalkhills Children.  Perhaps
this will drag you away from your obsessions of bashing O&L and
bashing other bold and clever posters whose notes I enjoy immensely.

During their "Oranges and Lemons" _tour_ of the United States,
XTC did an in-store visit at Waterloo Records in Austin, Texas.
We got there early that afternoon to be sure not to miss the band.
Sometimes bands perform a few songs in these in-store visits.
I once saw Robyn Hitchcock there singing REM songs while
Mike Mills playing acoustic guitar -- fabulous!

Upon entering the store, we saw that each of the three members
of the band were standing behind separate counters in different
parts of the large room.  In front of each guy was a line of locals
standing politely waiting their turn.  Screaming BehJesus I thought,
they're signing autographs and really talking with their fans!  I had
already seen them in concert twice (Drums and Wires and Black
Sea tours), so this arrangement seemed even better to me.
Having a fear of public speaking AND having had more than a
few goons land on my head as they stage-dived during shows of
ever-increasing violence, I completely understood why Andy chose
not to perform before a crowd any more.  Or at least I thought
I understood.

Dave Gregory's line was the shortest, by just a few people,
so I went there first.  He was SO NICE.  I remember asking
him if XTC was ever going to tour again.  He said that he would
like to, but then nodding his head in Andy's direction, he added
that Andy was the one we needed to convince.
(Okay, I'll try that, I said to myself!)

Then, I did the unthinkable.  I asked him if he would pose for a
picture.
He smiled and said, sure.  Then I upped the ante.  Would you
pose with my Mr. Nixon doll?  I had made a three-foot paper doll
of President Richard Nixon.  My Mr. Nixon doll had gone on
many adventures and I wrote illustrated stories about them.
Sweet Dave held the doll up high next to his face.  As he peered
over Mr. Nixon's shoulder (a clothes hanger covered in a white
t-shirt that said "BUILD THE MUSEUM NOW!"), I snapped the
Polariod.  We talked nonsense for a minute while the photo
developed and then chuckled at how funny it was.  He autographed
the picture "Dave Gregory + friend."  I was thrilled.

I went off to Colin's line next.  My God, what incredible hair that
man has!  He was just as nice as Dave, but in a more quiet,
subdued kind of way.  I told him that I had enjoyed "Oranges
and Lemons" a lot, but that the Dukes of Stratosphere stuff
was the best!  He said that they had really enjoyed making those
albums and might do more later.  I asked in a round-about way
if they had any sort of chemical inspiration for turning toward
psychedelia.  I think I mentioned the Beatles and their well-
documented forays into drugs.  He shook his brown locks left
and right and said no.  Definitely not.  Drugs were not the
inspiration.  For some reason, I wanted not to believe him
(yes, that's my problem), but I did.  I understood then that
the joy of exploring that style of music was the sole inspiration
for the Dukes.

I asked Colin if I could take his picture.  He had seen Dave
posing with Mr. Nixon.  For a split second, he turned bashful,
but then with an encouraging word from Dave, he held the
doll up and bared his teeth in a full-blown grin.  Yes, both
uppers and lowers are showing in this pic.  He signed his
name after the Polariod dried and I thanked him for being
such a good sport.

On to Andy.  By now, the music store had gotten quite
crowded and Andy's line was a bit longer.  The crowd was
a noticeably noisier too.  As I neared the counter, I saw
a girl that I had met at a party a couple of weeks before.
She had quite a reputation for being a coke-head.  This was
in the days before crack cocaine took over the drug scene,
so I'm talking white powder lines here.  From the looks of
things, she looked pretty coked up right then.  I ignored her.

When it was my turn to talk with Andy, I asked him about
touring again, as I had promised myself to do.  He had a
we'll-see attitude about that.  I told him how much I had
enjoyed the radio interview they had done that morning
on one of our local stations.  The coked-up girl behind me
hears me say this.  She rushes up to the counter and starts
screaming at Andy, "A radio interview!!!  What station was it?
What station was it?"  He says he doesn't remember -- they've
done so many interviews in the last few weeks.  I'll tell her it was
KLBJ, our station named for President Lyndon Baines Johnson,
who was born in a small town just outside of Austin.

She doesn't hear me.  This girl is relentless.  She doesn't
listen. "What station was it?  What station was it? I'VE GOT
TO KNOW!"  She's yelling at him again -- more aggressively.
I'm feeling the rush of cocaine in HER body.

Again, Andy says he doesn't remember.  "K-something," he
adds this time.  (Well, half the radio stations in the United
States have call letters that start with the letter K.)

I tell her again it was KLBJ.  She's still not listening.
"Was it KHFI?, she yells,  "Was it KLBJ?  I"VE GOT TO KNOW!"
I'm thinking the other people in the line are going to kill her.

Andy releases a big sigh and says, "It was probably KUNT."

OH-MY-GOD.  I can't believe he has said this to her.  What
a horrible thing to say... just horrible. BUT, NO WAIT!
She deserved it!  She completely deserved it.

I'm embarrassed for her nonetheless.  I'm embarrassed for
everyone there.  I'm embarrassed for my entire home town.
And in that moment, I realize an even better reason for Andy
not wanting to tour.  Some of his fans are nuts.  More than
mentally unbalanced, they're scary.
Downright scary.

This girl doesn't even hear him call her a cunt.  Somebody else
in line pushes her back and Andy returns his gaze to me.  He
offers to pose for a picture with Mr. Nixon and seems to enjoy it
a lot.  He holds the doll up high with one hand and flashes a
peace sign with the other.  After the photo dries, he signs it at
the bottom and draws a small goatee on his chin and a flower
on the doll's t-shirt.  I say thank you and leave him to fend
off the other fanatics on his own.  He can handle it.  He just
won't enjoy it.

I guess this is part of why I wished I hadn't read "Song Stories."
I don't want to be that kind of fan.  I don't want to be a fanatic.
I want to enjoy the music, but not in an obsessive kind of way.
Sometimes I question why I joined Chalkhills at all.  I've
justified it to myself as an opportunity to have discussions with
interesting people.  It has been my experience that most of the
genuinely interesting people in my life also happen to like XTC.
The other reason I wished I hadn't read the book is that I felt no real
sense of joy from the band at their accomplishments.  I am so
proud of them for the music they've achieved, yet I didn't get
a sense from the book that they share that same pride.  I didn't
get a sense from the book that they'd experienced any real joy
in their creative process at all.

It makes me sad.

Jill Oleson

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Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.00746166666f72643030303830303038@MAPI.to.RFC822>
From: "Stafford" <stafford@gtii.com>
Subject: TVT Security
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 98 13:13:22 PST

I talked to the webmaster at TVT's site.  He said that some of the graphics
that are on the website make that error message come up and that anyone
buying the Transistor Blast from the site will have no problems with the
security of their credit cards.  I bought a couple of copies myself, I
looked over the security first on my own, and it seems he is correct.  It is
the graphics from XTC that are not secure...so anyone can view these.
So...if you would like to pre-order your copy of Transistor Blast from TVT
you will be safe.  The note I got from them said I would have my copy within
2 weeks (I can't wait!)

Lisa Stafford

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Message-Id: <199811192148.WAA04672@mail.knoware.nl>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:54:34 +0000
Subject: Big Day

Dear Chalkers,

First of all many many thanks to Dave G. for the Dobbin badge
(Dobbin is the E.S. horsey). He actually bought this treasure
at XTC's last gig in San Diego, 1982 and that of course makes it even
more special for this old trainspotter.

And today I also received my copies of Transistor Blast (UK edition)
and it's a corker!
By far the most attractive 'product' they've ever released, with
proper liner notes and nice introductions by Colin & Andy.
And the radio styled packaging is just dead gorgeous, with the four
silk-screened discs in translucent, neon coloured cd-trays.
I'll try to put some of the artwork etc on my site ASAP

My only gripe is that "they" decided not to include all the songs
from the 1978 & 79 live shows at the Hippodrome and Paris Theatre
Those songs would fit on one cd, so why not? Of course the setlists
are quite similar, but nobody is going to buy this boxset except
the die-hard fans. And they don't mind ! (or do we?)

Anyway, it's great so get it or force your parents to buy it as a
Xmas present. Let's get some money in their pockets so we might
get to hear Apple Venus Volume Two
(are they really going to use these titles? i sincerely hope not...)

PS: the T.B. box also holds a registration card for Cooking Vinyl's
mailing list for  "priority information on forthcoming releases
including the new XTC album to be released in Spring 1999"
SPRING??? Hold on, whatever happened to January?

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse
 http://www.knoware.nl/users/mmello/
     or http://come.to/xtc

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Message-ID: <8191BF798BAFD111817B0001FA0E3A5777D823@ZSCED004>
From: "ARCHER-MAY,Mark" <Mark.ARCHER-MAY@deetya.gov.au>
Subject: Lightening never strikes in the same place twice so don't move!
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:20:02 +1000

Just a brief note of complete Trivia.
1) I was listening to "Fly on the wall" the other day when the words "I  see
the  money,  the pennies  you  save,  stored on  computers  from  birth  to
the grave  the fly   on  the   wall he's seeing   it all" brought back a
brief memory. A show that we have here in Australia called the "Money"
program did a report on Swindon which is one of the testing grounds for the
new cashless society. Put a little card into an automatic teller or
telephone and have it charged with money from your account then spend it in
the shops. It looks as though the "Fly" has come to Colin's home town in a
big way.
2) Reading an interesting book called Ex-Libris, the main character runs a
bookshop called the "Nonsuch Bookshop" and one of the main characters has
the initials of A.P.
As I said complete trivia.

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:30:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Davy Jonestown Massacre <jemiah@q7.com>
Subject: Re: O&L
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981119142622.2128A-100000@q7.q7.com>

Gee whilikers, I haven't posted in about two years, but I can't believe
some of the things you 'Hillers say about O&L.  I mean, damn.  It's not my
favorite, but "One of the Millions" is one of my favourite Colin whinges
(up there with "Living in a Smokeless Zone") and "Across this antheap" is
one of their songs to conmpletely sum up my particular misanthropy.

I just got Drums & Wires again (gimme a break, my house burnt down, taking
my coveted batch of XTC early demos and albums with it -- "O&L" was one of
the THREE tapes that survived and I'm slowly getting everything back)  and
I appreciate it now so much more now that I've been through Eno's rock
albums.

That is all.  Back to deleting 90% of my Chalkhills digests.  If I was on
realtime I'd write a lot more often  Hi John!
      ------------------------------------------
	Alizarine		jemiah@q7.com
	"I'm a binge writer." -- Hunter S. Thompson

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Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981119173703.007cd610@mail.clemson.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:37:03 -0500
From: Adam Tyner <ctyner@CLEMSON.EDU>
Subject: That zany >> button

>I don't know about YOUR CD, Steve, but once I've gotten to "Books Are
>Burning", I don't need to hit the >> button, 'cause it's the last song
>on MY CD. I only need to hit STOP - which I never do. :-)

Steve may be like me -- I rarely listen to CDs in anything but "shuffle"
mode, where the >> button comes in handy, even for the last track...  :-)

-Adam
--
/=---------------- http://www.he-man.org/ctyner/ ----------------=\
               http://www.crystal-night.com/~ctyner/
             http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/ctyner/
 He-Man, Tuscadero, "Weird Al", Yoo-hoo, Killer Tomatoes, & more!

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From: "Jim McGowan" <jmcgowan@cms.dbc.com>
Subject: Re: Oranges & Lemons
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:58:42 -0800
Message-ID: <000001be1410$2787dc40$df0bd9c7@jmcgowan.dbc.com>

In Chalkhills #5-19, Duncan Kimball <dunks58@hotmail.com> writes:

> 1. I'm astounded ... there are actually people who *don't* like Oranges
> & Lemons???? Inconceivable!! I must admit I hadn't really thought about
> the "sheeny" production aspect, other than presuming it was part of the
> whole quasi-psychedelic tone of the album ... like having a great
> psychedelic record with GOOD production, instead of we usually got from
> that era, with everything compressed to within a semi-tone of its life.

Actually, the compression on O&L is, to my ears, one of the things that
severely dulls the album. The overall sound is excessively processed.
Compare the album's feel to that of Black Sea or ES.  I definitely prefer
the latter's big, live-room warmth. (I don't even think they're real drums
on O&L. Anybody know?) In short, I dislike the production but still place
O&L ahead of Mummer and Big Express on the strength and variety of the
tunes.

As for psychedelic, I know of this band called the Dukes of Stratosphear
that had *the* definitive psychedelic sound... (heh!)

- Jim

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Message-Id: <4.1.19981119145759.019de4e0@mail1.electric.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:02:52 -0800
From: David Hathaway <davidh@electric.net>
Subject: Re: Oranges and Lemons

At 01:50 PM 11/19/98 -0800, you wrote:

allo all chalksters...

>From: "Duncan Kimball" <dunks58@hotmail.com>

>1. I'm astounded ... there are actually people who *don't* like Oranges
>& Lemons???? Inconceivable!! I must admit I hadn't really thought about

And since I haven't posted in an eon, yet still read the list every single
time it comes in, I'll comment for a change and throw my voice in for the
many people who would seem to agree...

Oranges and Lemons is a great album, chock full of great songs, and, as
someone else notes with apparent glee, is easily in my top five favorite
XTC albums, where "The Big Express" and "Black Sea" often duke it out for a
billing...

my 2cents canadian.

|We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
|typewriters will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare.
|Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.
|                     http://www.monkey-boy.com
|David Hathaway, CEO Of monkey-boy industries, davidh@monkey-boy.com

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Message-ID: <00a401be1410$f028f1c0$995808c3@default>
From: "Squidly" <squidly@clara.net>
Subject: Re: Wanker Rotary Engine
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:04:13 -0000

>Andrea , I'll never forget watching an old episode of Happy Days when I
>was about 16 years old. Being a Brit, I almost choked on my Welsh
>Rarebit (!) when a character came on and Richie introduced him to his
>mum with the immortal words " mom , this is Arnold Wanker.".

This also happened in Mork and Mindy.

Mindy's landlord  was called "Mr. Wanker"....and he
was, too!

Love Will.....xx

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Message-ID: <2043F72A2C73D2119D5B0008C74CA17B02D7F5@azmail.rjconsult.com>
From: "Miller, Ed" <emiller@rjconsult.com>
Subject: Overproducers and such
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:26:52 -0600

Hello, Chalk Full o' Nuts...

In a recent Chalkhills, our fabled interlocutor, Sherrison Harwood asked
that we more precisely define "overproduced."

Okay.  I'm game.

Overproduced -- "Music that sounds like the Oranges and Lemons discusion
on Chalkhills."

Minimalistically yours,

ed

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Message-ID: <900822C71730D2118D8C00805F65765C1FD70C@einstein.moneystar.com>
From: Jill Oleson <oleson@moneystar.com>
Subject: wankers wanking...
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:00:29 -0600

Jesus!  You people sure know a lot about
wankers and wanking..

I wonder why...

                                   ...oh, no I don't.

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From: MrsHugh@aol.com
Message-ID: <bcf41a4d.3654b163@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:01:39 EST
Subject: EEK, O&L Again

Chalkers,

I have to add again to the O&L debate.  When I first got O&L I mainly got it
because, "The Mayor of Simpleton".  But when I listened to it I loved it.  I
even got some of my college friends liking it.  One of my friends loved,
"The Garden of Earthly Delights".  As I said before, I don't care whether an
album is "overproduced", because I buy an album for the music, not the
production.

Am I the only person who doesn't hate any of the XTC albums, except for
White Music.  It just doesn't sound like their best album, but it was their
first album, and a lot of time first albums aren't that great.  The whole
O&L debate just made me started thinking why the hatefulness.  If you don't
like O&L (or any XTC album) don't listen to it.  I don't listen to White
Music, because I traded it in to a used CD place.  Oooh, I must be a bad
person for doing that.  I hope someone else can enjoy it more than I would.
Why should I keep something I don't listen to.  I'm not that type of person
who keeps all of their albums.  If I don't like something I'll get rid of
it.  But that doesn't make me a bad person, does it?

Sorry, I didn't mean to ramble on like that.

Molly
Molly's Pages: http://www.angelfire.com/mo/mollyfa/index.html
IRC Name: MrsHugh
E-mail: MrsHugh@aol.com

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From: "Damian Foulger" <damian@imclaser.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:10:24 -0600
Subject: Regarding ordering XTC over the internet.
Message-Id: <19981119180117.eefbe99b.in@ceo.ceolasers.com>

Why worry about people getting hold of your Credit Card details.
No one does over the phone.  Even if someone does, just tell the
Card company, sign a form saying that if wasn't you and they give
your money back.  Buy XTC, support the band.

Dames tWd

* --------------------------------------------------
Dr. Damian Foulger
Cutting Edge Optronics, Inc.
20 Point West Boulevard, St. Charles, MO 63301
Tel. (314) 916-5599 #323, Fax. (314) 916-4994

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Message-ID: <36542824.4B23372E@mailbox.syr.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:16:09 -0500
From: Paul Brantley <pebrantl@mailbox.syr.edu>
Organization: Syracuse University
Subject: appropriate commentary

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Message-ID: <3654D1C4.53E2@sprintmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:19:49 -0500
From: Michael Versaci <stormymonday@sprintmail.com>
Organization: Stormy Monday Enterprises
Subject: The Inner Mounting Flame

Folxtc,

(My apologies to Mr. Relph)

In his expected reply to my "searing indictment", Dom posted the
following:

> As for the rest of your searing indictment - heard it all before, and most
> of it is nonsense. If you payed attention you might actually understand what
> I'm on about, but no, you'd rather adopt the traditional knee-jerk pomposity
> that precludes anyone from being "off-message". And, for the thousandth
> time, I care not whether you are "hip" or not. I'm not that fashionable
> myself, and have no desire to be. If you don't like Hip Hop then, IMO, you
> are missing out on some truly thrilling music & lyrics. That's all.

I've been posting for over two years now, and those that know me (I used
to post under my e-mail name "Stormy Monday") know that I've been known
to go off topic, I've posted some pretty negative opinions about other
artists, and I do pay attention.

So Dom, here is my explanation as to why I went off on you the way that
I did.

Here is what you had to say back in May of this year:

> (iii) Much as I've enjoyed discovering a world of fellow XTC fans, I have
> been a little disturbed by the somewhat narrow musical view shared by many
> of you. As a proud fan of heavy metal, hip hop, various strands of dance
> music and pretty much anything with imagination, I'm puzzled as to why
> everyone seems to be solely into white, commercial, adult-orientated pop
> music, albeit of an often vaguely quirky nature. Acoustic guitars are not
> necessarily a prerequisite for good music, and nor is sounding like The
> Beatles.  TMBG are a prime example. This is what conservative people
> consider to be "left of centre" music. The term "alternative" is redundant
> and has been for years, and it's no wonder, if people won't broaden their
> minds beyond catchy tunes and "things that sound a bit like XTC".

Now, I really didn't care so much, considering you were eight years old
when "Black Sea" was released.  I've got better things to do then get
offended over anything that anyone says in this newsletter, let alone a
kid that was still in diapers when I was playing my first gigs.  But
anyone that makes an entrance like that has got to expect, indeed wants
some attention.

So, along comes Harrison Sherwood and responds with a well conceived
answer to your ignorant musings. (Before you get too defensive, look it
up, because you are obviously ignorant if you believe the claptrap that
you posted on that day.  I'm 41 years old.  You can't possibly imagine
all of the music that I've been exposed to and I've loved in my
lifetime.)

Since that time, you have pounced on virtually everything the man has
written, like you've got to something to prove.  I've heard that your
reasoning goes something like "people are intimidated from posting
because of people like Harrison."  While this may be true, (and if it
is, that isn't his fault)  I haven't known Mr. Sherwood to mercilessly
hound anyone the way that you've been hounding him.  If you're so
worried about people being intimidated, why are you so inflammatory?

The last straw (aeroplane) for me was when you commented on this item
from Mr. Sherwood:

>>I don't know which was tougher--getting a word in
>>edgewise through the brittle banter, so reminiscent of the Algonquin Round
>>Table in its heyday, or the Yankee Pot Roast I ordered.

And your comments:

>Firstly, I find the idea of Harrison struggling to get a word in edgewise
>(or edgeways if you'd rather use the right word) fairly hysterical. Nearly
>choked on my conceit.  Secondly, you fucking wish, pal. Alexander Woollcott
>would have chewed you up and spat you out as if you were mere muesli and
>the fact that you even attempt such a comparison just goes to show that you're
>probably a Marx Bros fan and therefore an intelligent and cultured kinda
>guy. Oops, that didn't go to plan.........shit.

Clearly, Harrison was not implying that he himself was on par with the
"Algonquin Round Table", and your "You fucking wish pal" crap in my
estimation was completely uncalled for.  Seems like maybe you were
projecting here.  Moreover, your feeble attempt at being pedantic was
misguided; edgewise and edgeways are synonymous.  Yeah, I know the Brits
favor "edgeways" but the fact remains that both are equally acceptable.

I really don't care what anyone else thinks about Phil Collins.  I think
"Take Me Home" is one helluva record with a beautiful background vocal
track courtesy of Peter Gabriel.  You and Catherine Sweeney and everyone
else that felt compelled to write about Phil Collins are obviously free
to hate his music and call it shite.  I think "Another Day In Paradise"
was one of the worst records ever recorded.

My message to you is this:  You have every right to say whatever you
want, but when you antagonize people, expect them to respond in kind.

Michael "Stormy Monday" Versaci

"Strike up the band love, and let the show begin,
  For this is the last time, I'm painting on a grin"

Andy Partridge

"A-ya-ya-ya-ya ya-ya-ya-ya  New Orleans
  A-ya-ya-ya-ya ya-ya-ya-ya  Evergreens"

Johnny Rotten

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Message-Id: <v01540b04b27a895d2993@[139.80.100.99]>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:55:13 +1300
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)
Subject: Re: Brahms & Liszt

>From: Kyle melancon <babyloco@zoommusic.com>

Hi Kyle

>One last thing:  Is "Brahms and Liszt" British slang for being EXTREMELY
>drunk? 

you've heard of Cockney Rhyming Slang? "Plates of meat" is slang for
"feet", "apples and pears" for "stairs", etc? Well, "Brahms and Liszt" is
the rhyming slang for "pissed", which in ther UK means drunk, rather than
angry [1].

James  (originally from Barnet, and yes, he has long hair [2])

[1] I wonder if Americans think "pissed as a newt" means "as angry as the
speaker of the house" :)

[2] "Barnet fair" = "hair" in C.R.S.

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Message-ID: <19981120030932.19512.qmail@hotmail.com>
From: "Amanda Owens" <daveizgod@hotmail.com>
Subject: More stuff
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:09:32 PST

And now for some responses:
Rich doth say:

>   Am I the only person on this newsgroup that feels that The Big
>Express is one of the best albums crafted by mortal man? It's a great
>combination of the early jerky XTC and the later poppy XTC. The singles
>and album tracks are pretty much ALL great off of it.

You are definitely not the only one. TBE is my favorite album on a
lyrical quality. I think Andy was in top form on this one.

>   Grass wins. Sorry, personal opinion.

Amen brother!

Tis all for now,
Amanda C. Owens
"People will always be tempted to wipe their feet on anything with
welcome written on it."-Andy Partridge
XTC song of the day-Burning With Optimism's Flame
non XTC song-Sympathy for the Devil-Rolling Stones

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Message-ID: <36550AA3.A1112817@zoommusic.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:22:34 -0600
From: Kyle melancon <babyloco@zoommusic.com>
Subject: Terry vs. Phil

All this talk about Phil Collins...What about a TRULY great drummer like
Terry Chambers?  Not only was he a great vocalist (you can check out his
pipes on the chourus of "My Weapon" and "Goodnight Sucker") but Whatta
Drinker!!!  Any British drummer of any consequence was pissed virtually
24 hours a day.  Ringo, John Bonham, Keith Moon, Bill Ward...Terry
Chambers!...All SERIOUS alcohol abusers, all geniuses in their chosen
field.  Coincidence?  I think not.  Phil strikes me as a
cupofteabeforeslippingintobed-type which, as I have previously stated,
is fundamentally NOT rock and roll, much less "genius".  He may very
well be a better DRUMMER than Terry, but that's hardly the point.
Suppose a brawl erupts in a pub, and your choice of fighting partners is
Terry or Phil...Who do you choose?  Terry, of course!!!  Phil might
startle the opponent briefly with a rambling diatribe on Tony Blair, but
Terry would've sennt three people to the hospital by then, Phil
included!!!  Think about it...  Genius comes in many forms, you just
have to know where to look for it.  God bless you Mr. Chambers!!  Thank
you..and goodnight...

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From: Adamette1@aol.com
Message-ID: <8203c192.36550a5b@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:21:15 EST
Subject: Mummerings

In Chalkhills Volume 5 Number 17, Will Writes:

Haven't bought a klunker
yet, consider them all essential. We'll see what happens with Mummer next...

I strongly encourage you to take your own advice where it concerned the Big
Express, and go out and buy Mummer.  A classic album in every sense, and the
home of my personal favorite XTC song, "Funk Pop A Roll," it should NOT be
overlooked.  You obviously have the ears for appreciating XTC's sound, now
go do yourself a favor and pick up one of my top three favorite XTC
offerings (Go2 and "The Dukes" are the others).To help motivate you, the
following track listing/review:

Beating of Hearts -- Awesome!
Wonderland -- Awesome!
Love on a Farmboy's wages -- Awesome!
Great Fire -- Awesome!
Frost Circus -- Fair (not on original LP)
Jump -- Excellent!
Toys -- Good
Gold -- Good+
Procession Towards Learning Land -- Awkward at best
Desert Island -- Awesome!
Human Alchemy -- Excellent!
Ladybird -- Classic!
In Loving Memory of a Name -- Awesome!
Me and the Wind -- Awesome!
Funk Pop A Roll -- Simply my top pick for favorite XTC song!

So in review, the "not intended for release" middle of the CD is shaky but the
bookends are worth every penny!

My two cents regarding O&L....I agree with previous comments regarding too
much polish...especially the comment about how it is so overpolished that it
no longer "sticks," an intersting image....but here's some other points that I
thought should be made.

1)We've heard these lyrical sentiments (Mayor of simpleton, Cynical Days) in
XTC songs BEFORE O&L came out.  Agreed that "spike" had more to offer the
listener in 1989 than O&L in terms of original sound, lyrical content.

2)What was intially stated was that O&L is XTC's worst album (which
automatically means that it is in the top 1% of all albums put out in the
past 20 years), not the worst album overall!  It was frustrating reading
entry after entry describing why O&L is a great album.  Of course it is
great, but in light of everthing else they did, I can see O&L being their
worst.  Truth be known, I think Nonsuch (Smartest Monkeys, Dissapointed,
That Wave) is the worst XTC album (which, again means it still kicks the ass
of 99% of the schlock that is typically put to record).

Go Go2!

Patrick

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Message-Id: <s655468d.085@parliament.uk>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:36:49 +0000
From: Dominic Lawson <LAWSOND@parliament.uk>
Subject: xtc

David says:
>>xtc is the band, xtc is the music. let's  stay on the correct subject...

Ooh, sorry! Blimey, that told us.

Ben Says:
>>Didn't Phil Collins play drums on Tears for Fears' "The Seeds of Love"?
Mmm.
That's a good -- overproduced -- album!

GRRRrrrrrr!!! NNggghhhh!!

but also says:
>>Steve
Lillywhite remains, in my mind, the world's best producer...He brings an
energy to songs that I find astounding.  Ample evidence of this is available
on Morrissey's "My Early Burglary Years," his recent collection of singles
and B-sides..."Sunny" and "Swallow on my Neck" are pure gold.

I can't agree about Lilywhite, although he is a superb producer on the
whole, but I have to agree about the mighty Mozzer's more recent material.
"Vauxhall & I", "Southpaw Grammar" and "Maladjusted" are all top notch Moz
action. Is the collection your mention only available in the US? I've not
seen it over here....
Producer-wise I would go for one from John Leckie, Jim Thirlwell or Tim
Smith...Hmmm.

>>I'm astounded ... there are actually people who *don't* like Oranges
& Lemons????

Well, possibly, but I think people are getting a bit hysterical over
nothing. From what I've read, it seems that many of us find the production a
bit too glossy - epitomised by that hideous synth brass - but I've not
noticed anyone dissing the songs to any great extent.
"Oranges & Lemons" is a great record. It's an XTC record, for a start and
even though it's not one of my favourites, it's still chuffing marvellous
(especially the guitar solo on "Pink Thing").

>>But I acknowledge that he's a talented guy, and millions of
people think he's way cool.

They do? Jesus, we are in trouble. Way shit, more like.

Michael says:
>>Now, now Dom, I bet you'd start slagging Colin and Andy too if they
started
selling of millions of records, wouldnt ya?

No. Not unless they started selling millions of AWFUL records. Which is
highly unlikely.

>>I really like some of the things Phil Collins has done.

Yes. I particularly enjoyed his recent attempt to "redefine" his music, by
adopting the highly original and rarely attempted World Music approach to
his emotionally sterile and largely dim-witted drivel. Seeing him on Top Of
The Pops trying to dance in an "ethnic" fashion, surrounded by an
embarrassed looking brass section was one of the funniest things I've ever
seen. Imagine being even more contrived than Paul Simon, AND ten years too
late! Twat. I also thoroughly enjoyed his drumming on "Puss'n Boots" by Adam
Ant, but then I was eleven at the time. I'm better now.

>>I'll even go as far
as to say that I think Selling By The Pound is just about one of the best
records ever made.

Fair enough. I think you might be missing the point slightly though. Early
Genesis, i.e. before Collins started squawking through his anus, made some
terrific records. The one you mention and "The Lamb Lies..." are corkers.
Here's the facts...Peter Gabriel GOOD Phil Collins BAD. Mind you, Gabriel
has released some stinkers in recent years as well, but at least he doesn't
pretend to understand the plight of the homeless. "Passion" was ace as well.
Anyway, I'm a Marillion fan so what do I know? (Am I joking? Frankly, who
cares...)

>>I never cared much for Jimi Hendrix either, but he was a pretty fair
guitarist.

Yes, I think you blew it with that one. "Fair?". That's like saying that Idi
Amin was a bit unreasonable. Come on, Hendrix was unique - a phenomenally
talented player who could do things with a guitar that people are still
trying to replicate thirty years later.
No one is disputing Collins' drumming abilities, but drummers should know
their place and not try to terrify us for decades with their bald-headed,
right-wing, piss-thin attempts at music. Just ask Roger Taylor.

>>I KNOW full-well what
a wanker is.A wanker is a happy
love toy. let us move on!

Err, no it isn't. Is anyone else getting scared?
Mummy!

Finally, what a relief it was to find that "Transistor Blast" is being sold
at such a reasonable price. I had visions of having to shell out #40 or
something hideous, but at #22 (Our Price Records) it's a veritable snip.
It's a shame I'm totally potless after buying the new RZA album. Still,
Christmas is mere weeks away and as far as I know, my parents still quite
like me. Here's hoping (and that goes for the book too...)

Cheers.

Dom.

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