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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 189

                    Sunday, 2 May 1999

Today's Topics:

                  table that tabla talk
     while we're on the subject of British sitcoms...
                 last hurrah?! spare me!
                   "AV1" LP in Germany
                  RE: Behind her bonnet
                     Dom is a bum!!!
                      Re: British TV
                     More British TV
          Re: May You Live in Interesting Times
          Sgt. Sherwood's Moldy Farts Glub Band?
          the nonsvch controversy +bonus feature
                Burt and our parents music
                        the single
                  XTC LIKES AND DISLIKES


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:15:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Desmond <>
Subject: table that tabla talk

John Nahasapeemapetalon of Chicago wrote:

[after a paragraph on tabla, sitar, and ragas, which Ive helpfully not

>There really is no connection between the Tabla and XTC's *Greenman,*

And yes, ladies and gentlemen, with this sentence we have finally
reached OFFICIAL XTC CONTENT.  Woo-hoo, and here I thought this post
was just wanky tripe.  Perish the thought.

>This brings up another song, ABACAB, by Genesis. This is a 6-part
binary ternary {I know, its' quite the pun!}

Oh dear.  I like the part on "In the Air Tonight" when Phils drums
come in.  Ba-bam, bubabamm, bubabumm, bububummm!  It rocks.  In a very
non-ternary sense, of course.   Perish the hemiola!

>But Genesis's song *ABACAB* was based on the keys they were playing
therein. Nothing more!

Wow, so quickly youve contradicted yourself!  Im more impressed by
this than by your wordy knowledge of musical form!  Wank on, mate!

>I hope this helps, unless you were just goofing around! which case it then becomes wanky tripe.  Thank you for it,
though.  I appreciate the effort.

Your friend,

ps.  Oh, christ!  I havent included any OFFICIAL XTC CONTENT myself!
Im so sorry!  Okay, here goes:  Andy Partridge for some reason thinks
we on the list are loonies because we go on and on about pointless
things.  Discuss.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: while we're on the subject of British sitcoms...

No one has mentioned Absolutely Fabulous yet. It had a fairly strong
following in the U.S. for a while a couple of years ago. I could never
figure out why, however. It was a horrid piece of shit, IMHO. The
mother in that show basically emotionally abuses her daughter time and
time again and it's supposed to be funny.I found it incredibally
mean-spirited and cruel.
Ranks right up there with the Honeymooners-a supposedly classic
American sitcom in which the main charecter repeatedly threatens his
wife with physical violence. A laugh riot, let me tell you. Who thinks
this stuff up? And who thinks that one person's abuse of another is


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:54:46 -0700
Subject: last hurrah?! spare me!

liz spencer said: >Digging this band is about digging growth.

you said it! i was thinking the same thing last nite during my afterwork
ritual of sitting in front of my stereo and shuffling thru my xtc discs
to find that perfect musical moment for the day (yesterday it was
'chalkhills and children' that anchored my feet). i was thinking how
much better xtc have gotten over the years & years & years &
y-e-e-e-a-a-a-r-r-rs. since they stopped touring and began writing
studio-only songs, their music has become so rich and painterly that i
get vertigo sometimes when i listen. the word 'evolved' always comes to
mind when i'm sitting there with a stack of their music in front of me
and 'then she appeared' is swirling loudly about my room. alot of
pop/rock music is like these naked, slope-headed knuckle draggers
banging rocks together without knowing why, then one day a new tribe of
straight standing men with metal tools shows up and builds a fire.
xtc are aging quite nicely and i hope they keep making records and
branching in new directions for a long, long time. apple venus is not
the end, its a new beginning. give it a chance. i've never heard anyone
say "i only like their early stuff" about xtc.

And the clothes that were draped
Was all that told man from ape
Change must be earnt
Sacrificial bonfire must reign,


Subject: "AV1" LP in Germany
Message-Id: <0006800010816705000002L052*@MHS>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:50:41 +0200

Hi there all you "Kreideberger",

I just wanted to say that I got my vinyl copy of "AV1" yesterday (and
immediately sent off the postcard to get me on Cooking Vinyl's list -
yeah!).  Unfortunately, the sound of the LP is a bit "muddy" in comparison
to the CD, but the big format is great for the feather, it looks good!  And
of course, as mentioned numerous times in Chalkhills, the inner gatefold
pics are different from the ones in the CD.

For all of you in or near Germany (where CDs etc. are cheapest in Western
Europe), both CD and LP cost DM 24.90 (plus 6.90 P&P) from , the owner (?) of which (Dirk Lohmann) sent me a
personal letter in response to my order saying he's a big fan, as are
several others at Poplife.  Anyway, look again at that price, it's pretty

All the best from sunny Germany!

- Jeff


From: "Robin Holden" <>
Subject: RE: Behind her bonnet
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:05:01 +0100
Message-ID: <000201be932b$95c5d640$8d1cac3e@FREE467871>

> There seems to be some kind of artwork behind the disc tray on the Easter
> Theatre digipak.  Has anybody taken the plunge to steam the plastic tray
> off to find out what's underneath?  Or does anybody know what's underneath
> anyway?  Obviously, I don't want to risk finding out with my copy!

It's just the middle of the peacock feather, the part that the egg is
covering on the front of the single.  It's only a little circle printed on
the card, just viewable through the hole in the plastic.

Robin Holden (

Check out Pathogen's Website:


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Desmond <>
Subject: Lust

Hello darlings!

It's confession time for Chris and at long last some XTC content.

I was chatting with a friend and fellow XTC fan the other night when I
made an admission (You're not going to like this Amanda), but always
though Dave Gregory was really hot. I know, I know, I'm supposed to
feign being an intellectual snob and pretend that I am above all this,
but for fuck's sake, I'm only human. The fact remains, I think Dave is
an incredibly attractive man and started drooling as soon as I saw that
fantastic picture of him with the long hair on the Oranges and Lemons
record sleeve. Be still my beating heart. Colin is pretty easy on the
eyes as well, I might add.

Come on ladies, fess up! Am I the only one here who has been harboring
secret desires for our favorite band (Or in Amanda's case, not so
secret desires), or are you all a bunch of prudes? It's your chance to
come clean.

Yours ever so truly,



Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:07:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: nross <>
Subject: Dom is a bum!!!

Dom wrote:

>> Oh, and Nicole, I wasn't joking about Metallica. What a suckfest!<<

What was it... a rhinoceros you were making friends with?
I can hear him squealing right now. My question is... where is his horn?
Oh! up your arse, I see!

:-)! Iron Maiden? seriously...

With pleasure, always, Nicole


Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:29:23 -0400
Subject: Re: British TV
Message-ID: <>

Okay okay I can't hold out anymore.  I used to also love Are You Being
Served? a lot more than I do now.  I think it's because I grew out of it.
 I watched it over and over again.  Now I get BBC America and they've
played some good stuff like Black Adder and The Young Ones.  I'm not a
fan of Brilliant (The Fast Show) though.  I still think British humor
better than American.  =o)
Now let's go back to XTC.

ICQ # 37635413


Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:33:48 -0400
Subject: More British TV
Message-ID: <>

James said:
<<the best British series that AFAIK hasn't made it to America is not a
comedy, although it doesn have some great comedic moments. The Cop series
"Hamish Macbeth" (starring current big name Robert Carlyle) was Britain's
answer to Northern Exposure, and it was one of the best things I've seen on
TV. If you get a chance to see it, do so. If you don't, write to your TV
station and say that you want to.>>

Hamish Macbeth is playing in the US.  It's on BBC America, it's a cable
station that shows shows from the BBC (EastEnders, Harry Enfield, etc).
It's one of my fave stations.

ICQ # 37635413


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:53:40 EDT
Subject: Andy

Hey XTC Clan ~

Did you ever wonder, if Andy Partridge is in disguise as an *Andy* on this

You know, he refers to us Children on Chalkhills herein, in interviews,

Is he a lurker?

Just a goofy thought,

John Gardner


Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:44:22 -0400
Subject: Re:
Message-ID: <>

I just wanted to say thank you, Paul.  I don't really like all the people
bashing me.  Do I have a bullseye target on my head or something?  Nobody
else gets picked on more thatn I do.  I'm getting sick of it.  I love
this list, but I just don't like getting picked on for my comments.  I
know somebody will say, "Well you must be really thinned skinned", I have
to admit it that I am.  I don't take personal attacks to well.  That's
I'm going to say on this subject.
Well, I'm off to Boston.  So watch out you Boston area XTC Fans.  =o)

ICQ # 37635413


Message-Id: <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:59:49 -0700
From: "Dane Pereslete" <>
Subject: Re: May You Live in Interesting Times

For any Chalkies interested in exploring what can be accom-
plished with unusual time signatures, might I suggest what
is possibly the best and most refined *crash-course* about
odd meter on the planet: Dave Brubeck's classic "Time Out".

Oh yeah, and Honourable Mention to: Don Ellis' "Tears of Joy"

In Jazzbo Heaven on Cloud Eleven,


Logging in from beautiful Glendale, CA  USA
"Waiting for AV2"  -or-


Message-Id: <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:16:56 -0700
From: "Dane Pereslete" <>
Subject: Sgt. Sherwood's Moldy Farts Glub Band?

>From: Harrison Sherwood <>
>Organization: Averstar, Inc.

>**Subject: Squeezing Bacharach by the Nuts**

Now *that's* what I call a great band name!!  ;-)

Just couldn't resist,


Logging in from beautiful Glendale, CA  USA
"Waiting for AV2"  -or-


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:49:48 -0700
Subject: the nonsvch controversy +bonus feature

for those of you who "just can't get into" nonsvch, i just want to say
i'm sorry for you. i would hate to hate that album. i can't possibly try
to cite references and give reasons why you "should" like it. this is my
second posting where i've defended (for lack of a better word) this
album. again, i'm not saying "this album kick ass and you assholes
should like it!" i'm simply dumbfounded that it seems to be the most
hated album since go2.

* ----

bonus feature:
-----  bad day in xtc fandom -----
i have the largest selection of cds of all my friends and the "worst"
taste in music. last weekend i had a few people over. it was lovely,
warm day; a few of beers, a little smoke, sitting around listening to
tunes and cracking wise with some friends. my girlfriend (cherubim
cheered then she appeared) asked me to play 'king for a day' cuz she
wanted to hear it. the other people who were there didn't really know
anything about xtc (big punk & indie-rock fans, my friends) but they
were open to hearing it. so as i was putting it on i said "i think this
might be a little saccharine for you guys". as the happy intro chords
were playing i could hear every one of them thinking: this sucks. the
vibe in the room was unbearable. all the talking and joking stopped and
everyone just sat politely listening in agony, taking embarrassed swigs
off their beer. i offered a few xtc fun facts and passed around my
crown-shaped 'king for a day' single cover, which everyone wanted to
hold (know thy enemy). as soon as the song was over i grabbed the most
unlistenable kentucky hillbilly music i could find and put it on louder.
"fuck them," i grinned inside "fuck them."

climb aboard,


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:36:11 -0400
From: (Bill Peschel)
Organization: The Herald
Subject: Burt and our parents music


Let me briefly drop a thought into Harrison's essay about Burt Bacharach
and the New York Review essay about him.

Since I'm at work, I downloaded the essay and will read it this weekend,
so I can't comment about that just yet.

It's Harrison's conclusion I rather minded and it goes something like

(start snip)
In Apocalyptic 1999, when both Marilyn Manson and Henry Mancini are
brought to us by Seagram's, no music is any "better" or "worse" than any
other music--there no longer *is* an Other. And after all this time,
after what seems like hundreds of variations on the theme of
Counterculture have uselessly waxed and waned...the
Counter-Counterculture, c'est nous. We have finally crossed the Great

We have become our parents.
(end snip)

Beautifully written with a lovely kick to the last line. And I believe
totally dogheadedly wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

No, what I believe is this: we view the culture through who we are at
the moment. As we grow older, we change, physically, spiritually,
emotionally, acquiring (we hope) some wisdom, some common sense, some
experience. This changes our attitude toward everything we hear and

So when we first hear a song, we hear it through the filters we have at
that time. Our prejudices are in place, in varying strengths, and so are
our pleasure centers. If I was a teen-ager in the late '60s and
listening to Hendryx, the Who, and Jim Morrison, what do you think my
reaction will be to someone like "Do You Know the Way to San Jose?" One

So flash forward to the present day. I'm older (of course), more
settled, my tastes in music may have shifted and been affected by what
I've heard. My prejudices against what I thought of as 'cocktail music'
may have changed as well. At the very least, it would have softened,
because I fought that battle back in '69. (For a more extreme example,
if I was an anti-war protestor, I would have hated something like
"Ballad of the Green Beret" back then. Would I hate it as much now? I
seriously doubt it.)

The result is, nowadays, the music I rejected has been stripped of many
of its cultural associations. What was once a detested example of that
smooth piece of crap is now . . . just a song. Music. Lyrics. The
cultural assumptions it carried with it back in the '60s is no longer
present (or if it is, it's no longer has burdensome).

Bacharach's music is being reconsidered by a culture that has become
more sophisticated, more discerning. His music has been repackaged and
rereleased, and with his duet with Elvis Costello, he has built a neat
platform for the usual "comeback" articles the media likes to write.
Fortunately for him, his music stands up to the scrutiny. Would the same
thing happen if it were another composer from the '60s? I doubt it.

That's why Harrison's line that "no music is any "better" or "worse"
than any other music" sticks in my craw. That's a simplistic reduction
of a complex thought. I prefer to think of it as a bell curve. Some
music sucked when it came out, sucked decades later, and will continue
to suck for all eternity. Some music does not. The majority will shift
along the continuum, battered about by the growth and dying of our
cultural assumption, with the usual good and bad luck that plagues
everything that's set on a material that will degrade with time.

-- Bill Peschel
Book page editor, Rock Hill (S.C.) Herald


From: Mitch McGlothlin <>
Message-Id: <>
Subject: the single
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:37:38 -0500 (EST)

Chalk, chalk, chalkers,

 I think the 'easter theatre' single is a very nice gift
(besides being a good tool for revenue enhancement)
to us from xtc and cooking vinyl. The quality of the
packaging is exceptional compared to that of typical singles.
Of course, the content is great, too.
Real nice one, cooking vinyl! :)

Seek it out.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:10:54 -0400
From: "Mark D. Irvin" <>

ya know....i am glad that so many people have voiced their opinions on
which XTC albums they liked versus which ones they don't like.  Now,
grant it I do favor some XTC songs over others, but I must confess.....I
like all of their albums....hell, I downright enjoy them to the bone.  I
bought Drums and Wires first (on 8-track no less) in early 1980, which
was followed by White Album and Go2 (thanks to JEM imports) and my local
"Homer's Record Shop".  I awaited the release of Black Sea as well as
the release of the many that followed....  shit man...this is a great
band.....I have been enjoying XTC for 19 years now.......topped only by
Elvis Costello (22 years) wife is sick of the both of
them...LOL.....(listening to English Settlement right now, Yacht Dance -
she has retreated to the back room).....

Anyway....still diggin' on my Apple Venus Volume One.....

Anyone enjoying Adore by the Smashing Pumpkins??  Haven't really enjoyed
them too much until this album......i think that this is awesome piece
of work for Billy and Company....

hey cool......ciao

XTC song of the moment - All of a Sudden (It's Too Late)
non XTC song of the moment - Annie Dog

hey bradenton brian - How's life??

floating in Orlando and currently accepting donations,



Message-Id: <>
From: "Michael Davies" <>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:09:02 -0500
Subject: Press

> XTC Content:
> I don't think I've seen it written here (for some reason I didn't get 5-182)
> AV1 is featured in the May edition of Wired (the techie mag not the music
> one), page 170.  A somewhat short and lyric-heavy paragraph (lots of Fruit
> Nut) but they only ever review stuff they like.

It was reviewed in Esquire recently too.  I don't think it was the
newest issue but you can look at your library through this year's
issues if you're desperate to see the review.

The North will rise again,
Michael davies


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