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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 169

                 Saturday, 10 April 1999

Today's Topics:

           Chalkhills' Children tribute series
              the endless bb/beatles thread
                    AV1 (at long last)
                       Re: AV1 #2!!
                  Re: 'tape as canvas' ?
                        Power Pop
                  re Dave Seddon's List
                   Floydy Instruvocals
           Re: Which One's Pink? (and Beet Red)
                    re: Ridiculous...
           re: Voices / Instruments merging...
    XTC in CD Universe's "The Big Bang" newsletter...
                  Re: Which One Is Pink?
            OK, here's my Sgt. Pepper story...
                     New Member Intro
                Push my car from the road
                     So Much to Say!
                   Re: Meatloaf again?
               Re: Pure Pop for Now People


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Message-Id: <v03102800b3348157a38c@[]>
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:22:49 -0700
From: Richard Pedretti-Allen <>
Subject: Chalkhills' Children tribute series


CC orders for Van Court, Kouzes, Gillette, Milner and Palagyi shipped
from Santa Clara, California on 08apr99.  Sorry for the delay.

I have a six three-packs of the Chalkhills' Children XTC tribute series
left available.

Additionally, I have a couple CC98 left that I'll sell with CC97 as a

I will not sell any tapes separately.

THREE-PACKS  (CC96, CC97 & CC98)
United States = 14.15
England = $18.80 USD
Japan = $19.20 USD

United States = $10.00 USD
England = $13.30 USD
Japan = $11.70 USD

See the Chalkhills website for all the details
( or email me at

Don't delay!  Do it today!

Cheers, Richard

p.s. ...and stay tuned to Chalkhills for a very special tribute


Message-Id: <v04003a00b3347f2d66d1@[]>
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:10:20 -0600
From: "Michael De Bernardi, Psy.D." <>
Subject: the endless bb/beatles thread

first let me say that i am a huge fan of both the beatles and the beach
boys (but neither more than xtc at the moment), yet probably listen to the
beach boys more often.  their great stuff just goes to my heart more deeply.

regarding the discussion about the impact of sgt pepper on smile, i have
thought about this from time to time and believe that there is an argument
that the upcoming pepper shot whatever last bit of brian's strength was
still available for the project. 'dunks' mentioned that paul visited brian
between revolver and pepper, and, as legend has it, is chewing the carrot
on vega-tables.  published sources have stated that paul visited brian on
april 10 1967, less than two months before the release of pepper.  there
was only one pepper session that took place after the visit, so it is
questionable as to how much smile influenced paul's work on pepper.  the
concept behind pepper was created and finished well before paul's flight
back from america.  not to say that paul to this day doesn't regularly
'pepper' his interviews with comments about pet sounds, just simply that
smile had no influence on pepper.

on the other hand, depending on what source you read, paul either a -
played brian an acetate of 'a day in the life', or b - played 'she's
leaving home' for him on the piano.  he apparenly ended the visit with a
smiling challenge to brain that he 'better hurry up', referring to the
acknowledged rivalry they shared.  brian officially ended the smile project
shortly thereafter.  'she's leaving home' might be arguable, but hearing
the recording of 'a day in the life' could certainly have killed the fire
in brian.  his verging-on-paranoid beliefs, especially around this time
(i.e. the 'fire' sessions), could have stopped him in his tracks.  'dunks'
is right that brian saw the writing on the wall about releasing smile
alongside pepper, but paul may the one who sprayed it there.

yes, brian had been struggling with mental illness and drug use over the
past couple of years leading up to smile, and that certainly played a role
as well.  although i would argue that smoking even 'VERY large amounts of
dope' does not ordinarily have a 'very strong affect (sic) on the psyche',
we know that regular and excessive speed (amphetamine) use can cause
psychotic symptoms.  truthfully, almost any drug might push a mind that is
already on the edge over.   and yes, brian also had far more pressure on
him than any of the beatles, an unsupportive band (especially mike love),
and a clueless label, all of which contributed to the smile fiasco.

still, in my fantasy world, brian's fragile mind could not handle what he
knew was coming, so he simply bowed out. perhaps coincidence, perhaps
something more. it may have even worked to his advantage, because smile has
had far more celebrity as a lost covenant than it would have as a release
(sad but true).

i appreciated 'dunks'' comments about some of the smile lyrics.  while,
overall, the beach boys' lyrics are not anywhere close to the beatles',
'surf's up' practically defines the terms 'abstract' and 'surreal', and a
lot of other lyrics from the period were pretty trippy.  if only van dyke
had stayed around...

at any rate, i love 'em both, just wanted to leave some food for thought.

oh yeah, i bought drums and wires (and everything since) when it came out,
love AV1, have been on chalkhills since '91 and only posted maybe five
times, hate 'smartest monkeys', love xtc, blah, blah, blah.

i also highly recommend the new olivia tremor conrol cd, 'black foliage.'
talk about a 'smile' for the new millenium...



Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:34:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jennifer L. Geese" <>
Subject: AV1 (at long last)
Message-ID: <>

Bless you, bless you all you chalkhillians,

My computer has not been working well, so please forgive me if this is
outdated - I'm still in the beginning of March in my digests.  First of
all, let me say that it was great to see Milcon faces again in Chicago,
not to mention all the new friends we made, oh yeah, and Andy, too!  :)
Now, on to my AV1 comment.  I've thought this from the very beginning, but
I've kinda been waiting to see if I would get over it.  I haven't, so now
I bring it before the board.
For those of you who have the demos I pose this question.  Do you like the
demo version on "Your Dictionary" better than the album version?  Don't
get me wrong, I love the song.  I do, however, feel that the album version
is somehow missing something.  To me the demo version seems more angry,
which works very well with the song.  When I first heard AV1, YD struck me
as having mellowed from angry to resigned?, hurt but accepting?.  I don't
know exactly how I would describe it, but it seemed to have lost that
bitter edge that made it one of my absolute favorite demos.  Could it be
the passage of time that made it so?  Or am I dreaming the whole thing?
Questions?  Comments?  Vitriolic flames?


p.s.  Our local newspaper (The Saginaw News) publishes an entertainment
section each Thursday.  Shortly after the release of AV1 they printed a
short blurb with a rating of 4 stars!  Amazing, considering that about one
other person in Saginaw has heard of them!


From: "john gray" <>
Subject: Re: AV1 #2!!
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:28:05 +0100
Message-Id: <E10VtDS-0005wY-00@praseodumium>

> we are thinking of bringing out a 2nd version of AV1 with the Japanese
> booklet + all the demos + more so you might want to wait a couple of
> months?

whatwhatwhatwhatwhat????????? NOW they tell us !


From: "john gray" <>
Subject: Re: 'tape as canvas' ?
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:27:09 +0100
Message-Id: <E10VtDR-0005wY-00@praseodumium>

Hey sixties freaks, what about Joe Meek ? Maybe low on
available technology, but high on imagination and innovation.



Message-ID: <000801be82f6$4ded0fe0$13d0fc9e@default>
From: "Steven LeBeau" <>
Subject: Power Pop
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:59:32 -0000

Regarding the whole issue of power-pop bands: I think the best example would
probably be Badfinger (Check out No Dice and Straight Up; wonderful music!).
Great pop tunes with a hard rock slant (that's at least what I always knew
power-pop to be, but am I wrong?). Also Cheap Trick, some Squeeze (they
wiggled between power-pop and new-wave I think), and Nick Lowe and Elvis
Costello have already been mentioned.... my $0.02 ....

Steven LeBeau


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:48:51 +0100
From: B Blanchard <>
Subject: MFSL

Oh God I just woke up.

It was asked: sorry - what's MFSL?

Mother Father Sister Lover
"My Fanny's Sore, Love!!" (UK def of "fanny")
My Fave Song Lyric
Move Further South Larry
More Fucking Some Laughing
My Future's Stopped Lengthening

Yeah, I think it's one of them.


Message-ID: <002001be8339$a0e21c20$1a1d883e@gary-howman>
From: "Gary Howman" <>
Subject: VIDEOS
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:05:13 +0100

What about orchestrating a campaign to harass Virgin to release a follow up
to the "Look Look" video.

The might of the fans could not be ignored!


From: (Gary Thompson)
Subject: re Dave Seddon's List
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:10:15 +0100
Message-ID: <000001be8342$b5fa1be0$>

Least favourite moment on Apple Venus1:
The end of Fruit Nut where the voice is left on it's own

Least Fav XTC song:
Here comes President Kill Again

Artist most people seem to think is pretty naff, but you actually quite
Alice Cooper

Worst Beatles song:
If you've got troubles

Songs that should have been strangled at birth:
Lady in Red - Chris de Burgh

Extremely popular artists that you can't see what all the fuss is about:

Musician you'd like to kick hard:
Robbie Williams

Whackiest Title for a song:
Knights in Shining Karma

Most Unpleasant Musical Experience:
Having to listen to Fatboy Slim's album in my mate's car

'We won't be told the past was pure gold
We were there and it wasn't'
Paddy McAloon


From: (Gary Thompson)
Subject: Floydy Instruvocals
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:10:18 +0100
Message-ID: <000401be8342$b7c6eca0$>

Iain Fisher asked if the Floyd had a song where the vocals merge into an
instrument - the one I can think of is on The Wall. I think it's on side one
( vinyl ), and an anguished scream ( in a Roger Watres song - never ) fades
into the sound of a dive bomber.

'We won't be told the past was pure gold
We were there and it wasn't'
Paddy McAloon


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:49:08 -0400
From: mondacello <>
Subject: Re: Which One's Pink? (and Beet Red)

Jumping right in to the conversations at hand...

Mark Strijbos added:

>> Also just wanted to say that the last Balloon where Andy's vocals
>> merge into solo at the end is simply exquisite.
>>Anybody else think of any other songs where vocals and instruments merge ?
>>"Show Me The Way" by Peter Frmapton :)
>> I've got a nagging thought that Rogers Waters has probably done it but i
>> can't seem to figure out which Pink Floyd track it is ?
>"Welcome To The Machine" comes to my mind

On hearing that bit of gooseflesh inducing brilliance for the first
time, I was immediately reminded of another Floyd gem, 'The Gunners
Dream' from The Final Cut:

"... you take her frail hand
and hold on to the dream"

....aaaaaahhhhhhhh, bliss.

Carrying on with the topic of colours, there are a few rather
embarrassing items in my collection... it seems that The Monkees are
pretty much accepted by many (or a few, or some) on this list. Well, you
can add me into that barrel too...
And how about ELO? I know that Jeff Lynne is somewhat less than admired
by many, but I still enjoy a little bit of that mid-seventies fluff
every now and then. Although I do prefer his Idle Race days the most,
that's great stuff!!

~Mark Kirk~


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:09:35 -0700
From: Dan Phipps <>
Organization: CIC
Subject: re: Ridiculous...

Hey all on the Hill! --

>My question to you all is... What is the MOST RIDICULOUS song
>you LOVE? My submission, obviously, is Mandy.  Come on... embarrass

God, this is a cool question, don't 'cha think?

The "Gilligan's Island" theme comes to mind!
(By the time the line "The weather started
getting rough..." comes around, I'm hooked!!!)

"Porpoise Song" from The Monkees' "Head" film...
(Stupid lyrics, GREAT music!!)

...and as much of an AVID / RABID Beatles fan
that I am, I'd *have* to include "Ob-La-Di..."
here.  I mean, Christ!!  Even Lennon HATED
this one!!  Can't stand it once it begins,
but then for some reason, it finally kicks
in and I can't get it out of my head for the
rest of the day!  Go figure...

There are thousands of other tunes out there
that I've missed, I know, but these three will
suffice for the time being, I guess.

Waiting for AV2...

/Dan Phipps <>

"I would have made this instrumental,
 but the words got in the way."
(Andy Partridge)


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:16:22 -0700
From: Dan Phipps <>
Organization: CIC
Subject: re: Voices / Instruments merging...

Hey all! --

>Also just wanted to say that the last Balloon where Andy's vocals merge
>into solo at the end is simply exquisite. Anybody else think of any other
>songs where vocal s and instruments merge ? I've got a nagging thought that
>Rogers Waters has probably done it but i can't seem to figure out which
>Pink Floyd track it is ?

>The song is from the Animals LP, I believe it's Dogs, but I'm not sure I
>remember correctly. The CD is at home, and I'm at work. I'm sure someone
>else will correct me if I'm wrong.

Isn't this the song titled "Dogs" from Floyd's
"Animals" CD where the line comes up "Dragged
down by the stone..." and then the word "stone"
mysteriously changes into a dog barking in the
distance?  I think it is, ya'll.  Weird, but
WONDERFUL song and album by PF, BTW!!  :-)

But, am I wrong here?  Just wondering out loud...

(Still) waiting for AV2 --

/Dan Phipps <>


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:23:03 -0700
From: Dan Phipps <>
Organization: CIC
Subject: XTC in CD Universe's "The Big Bang" newsletter...

Read on 'Hillians!! --

Got this today in my e-mail from CD Universe
(cool damned music site!!  I get all my mail-
order music from them -- no plug, just fact!)

Check it out and enjoy!!


:: Pop/Rock Music News


After a seven year absence, XTC returns with a new recording APPLE VENUS
VOLUME ONE. The project took a year to complete and the band lost guitarist
DAVID GREGORY about half-way through but remaining members ANDY PATRIDGE
and COLIN MOULDING have seen it through to release an amazing album.
Flutes, horns and strings add luscious colors to the mix offsetting
bittersweet and mostly melancholy lyrical musings. XTC has always been an
innovative ensemble lurking in the quasi-genre corner known as "art-rock."
This new outing breaks new ground while retaining a familiar XTC
sensibility and results in a homogenous collection of hauntingly beautiful
songs. The band hasn't toured since 1982 and Partridge has no plans to
appear live anytime soon-- however, the TRANSISTOR BLAST box set released
last year does offer some live recordings between 1978-80. The band is
currently hard at work on APPLE VENUS VOL.2 that will feature a more
stripped down electric sound.

XTC's hauntingly bittersweet & orchestral sound APPLE VENUS VOL.1:

* _________________________________________________

"The Swindon Two" are surely getting around
lately, aren't they?  Wonderful!!!  :-)

Waiting for AV2 --

/Dan Phipps <>


Subject: Re: Which One Is Pink?
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:44:12 -0400
Message-ID: <01be8358$37bc4a80$>

Various folks wrote thusly:
> Also just wanted to say that the last Balloon where Andy's vocals
> merge into solo at the end is simply exquisite.
One of my fave moments on the AV1 album also.
But it does make me wonder a bit... is it real or is it ProTools?
> Anybody else think of any other songs where vocals and instruments merge ?
"Show Me The Way" by Peter Frmapton :)
> I've got a nagging thought that Rogers Waters has probably done it but i
> can't seem to figure out which Pink Floyd track it is ?
"Welcome To The Machine" comes to my mind

The track that stands out in my mind as an example of this is either "Sheep"
or "Dogs" on Pink Floyd's Animals album.  I can't remember which track it
is, but in several spots a held vocal note merges seemlessly into a synth,
then into a feeding back guitar that ends in a crashing chord.  It's a
really cool effect.  I think that Waters did it on The Final Cut too, but
not as memorably.



Subject: OK, here's my Sgt. Pepper story...
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:56:24 -0400
Message-ID: <01be8359$eba464a0$>

I wouldn't really call this a Sgt. Pepper because it's a pretty stripped
down record, but the one album that totally changed my life and maybe even
screwed it up immeasurably was Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex
Pistols.  It was about 1977 or 78, and a buddy of mine gave me the old "you
GOTTA hear this!" routine.  As soon as I heard Pretty Vacant, I knew that I
would be throwing away those lame Kiss and Ted Nugent albums.  For an
encore, he put on The Ramones' Rocket to Russia, and it was all over.  I was
a punk.  Still am.  My friend and I started what was probably one of the
first punk bands in NH, and now 20 years later we're in another one.  Of
course, we're better at it now...
Speaking of which, look for the Rat Fink website coming soon to a browser
near you...

As for the Real Sgt. Pepper, I had it on 8-track.  As any of you over 30 or
so can probably imagine, the songs were in the wrong order and I think that
one of them did that old "fade-out, big click, fade in" trick.  Plus, I had
to endure Within Without You to get to A Day in the Life.  When I finally
heard it on LP, it sounded totally wrong.  Never really listened to it



Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:33:37 -0400
From: Matthew Turner <>
Subject: New Member Intro
Message-Id: <[]>


I just joined your wonderful list, and got that triple-hit of digests!, so I
thought I'd join in the fun.

I first visited Chalkhills a few years back, shopping for xtc news where I
could. I typically went out looking for xtc sites once or twice a year. I
love the band, but I spend most of my time surfing graphics and design
related stuff.

Anyhow, once AV1 hit, I went out in search of more info and... the rest is

My AV1 story:

I didn't even realize it had been released. I'm driving in my car,
listening to a radio show when they announce that their upcoming weekly
music review will be xtc's new cd. WELL!, I pulled off the road, lit a
smoke and waited 10 or 15 minutes for the review. To hear the reviewers
affirm that xtc was indeed "back", with a gorgeously crafted album... it
literally brought tears to my eyes. And as they played ILT I was trying
desperately not to sob. Straight to the music shop of course, and as I
stood at the cashier, my cheeks streaked with tear stains, gripping AV1
like it was the arm-rest at the destist's chair, I thought, why are you
getting so flippin' emotional over this?

I suppose it's because XTC was the soundtrack to my angry, booze-soaked
late teens and early twenties. Early xtc was just the thing for drinking,
trying to steal airplanes, dressing up in women's clothing, drinking
etc. You know, the stuff we *all* do. This was a time of immensely good
times, my zenith, as it were, and xtc is just so intimately wrapped up in
it all that I feel a great attachment to the band.

That said, I have fully embraced the style changes which xtc has grown
through.  I suppose growing up in relatively the same age bracket as the
band that I've grown with them.

My first listen to AV1 (at home), I was just slightly disappointed. I think
more at the single style of the music (dynamically) and at the lack of
tracks. After seven years I wanted a good 20 tracks or so. Of course I
adore the cd now. Cuts that grabbed me right away were ROO, ILT, Gm and
HF. I think Colin's cuts, while exhibiting that silly charm he excels at,
are a bit of a let-down after such a lengthy hiatus. Needless to say, I'm
anticipating AV2 in a big way, as I'm sure you all are. *One thing I've
gotten in my head lately that I can't shake - I've really grown to like
ICOH, but I got this terrible thought that I was watching a 50's musical,
especially when it comes to a full stop and Andy says: "And I may as well
wish..." Don't try this at home!

Now to get in on a couple of the threads I saw:

Embarrassing Songs: I love the Dionne Warwick-Burt Bacharach stuff like
"Walk On By", "Do You Know The Way To San Jose" etc, and most stuff that,
for me, evokes a kind of mid-to-late 60's easy-listening California feel.

Sgt P: I have three older sisters, so I got a healthy dose of Beatles, Led
Zeppelin, Santana and Jethro Tull. All of these had a major impact on me,
and certainly got me to pick up the guitar. <Cringe> I guess I'd have to
include Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells in there as well. </Cringe>

Least Fav XTC Song: Gold. Guess that was AP's marching band phase.

Won't keep you any longer, sorry to drone on...


--Matthew Turner


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:08:23 EDT
Subject: Push my car from the road

Phillip Lawes wrote about in Vol #5-166:

Mark Fisher wrote
>You need it (a car) to travel a greater distance to reach the
out-of->town supermarkets that wouldn't have existed were it not for the
car. >You need it to live further and further from your neighbours, and
then >wonder why there's no sense of community any more. Were once you
>would have sent 15 minutes walking to the shops, you now send 30
>minutes driving there. And you call it freedom.

Mark was referring to my situation in Chicago.  I had proffered the
statement that I needed my car, without providing any real explanation why,
and his reply was as above.

I live in Chicago's suburbs, and have a job which requires me to travel in
and around Chicago, the suburbs, and surrounding states of Indiana,
Wisconsin and lower Michigan.  Of course, it also helps to have a 10
changer CD in the trunk of the car filled with XTC classics to listen to
while I drive :)

So I can't push my car from the road, as it were, because of its necessity
to get from a to b to a three binary syncopation :)

But, if I could, I would.

On another note: regarding "kissing glue."  Andy's lyrics remind me of the
phrase "give me some sugar."  Just one of those statements where you want
the sweetness of a kiss from someone badly.

John Gardner


Message-Id: <>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:24:04 -0400
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <>
Subject: So Much to Say!


First, let me just express my extreme happiness that there's another Ben
(Lukoff) who posts to the List.  I'm sure that, in a couple of years, Ben
Fitzpatrick will also contribute invaluable XTC information (like father,
like son!)

Last week, I was checking out some of the reviews of "AV1" on,
to see what other folk had to say about the album.  One guy (from
Liverpool, nontheless) said that it was s**t (basically), and that "we"
should just go out and buy "The White Album."  I chuckled.

6 albums that have had a profound impact on me:

Mike Oldfield : Tubular Bells I and II
XTC : English Settlement
The Smiths : The Queen is Dead
Robyn Hitchcock : Globe of Frogs
Suzanne Vega : Days of Open Hand

The rest are at

I consider all my musical pleasures "guilty."  I have a certain fondness
for the side projects of Soundgarden and Pearl Jam (i.e., "Temple of the
Dog" and "Mother Love Bone").  I know all of the words to "Opposites
Attract."  I own a few "Weird Al" CDs.  However, my claim to fame is this:
over my vacation, I met the son of the co-writer of "Me and You and a Dog
Named Boo."  Hah!  He's a nice kid, but imagine trying to live *that* down?

Last night, I was performing at yet another Bowdoin coffeehouse (hey -- it
gets the word around!)  Before the performance, my friend Mike came up to
me and said, "You've *got* to play that dictionary song, OK?  Someone
requested it."  So, last night's playlist included Richard Thompson's "Read
About Love" and..."Your Dictionary."

-Ben G.

     Benjamin Gott . Bowdoin College . Brunswick, Maine 04011
AOL: Plan4Nigel . Telephone (207) 721-5513 . Mobile (207) 798-1859
  And it's always been the same / It's just a complicated game.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:01:16 -0400
From: "John McGreivey" <>
Subject: Re: Meatloaf again?

>Extremely popular artists that you can't see what all the fuss is about:
>Meatloaf and Bruce Springsteen

I agree that Meatloaf is a puzzle (though he does have a great voice), but
Springsteen is a great songwriter. I don't say this as a great Springsteen
fan or anything. In fact, I have maybe 5000 records, and no Springsteen
records, but only because I've never gotten around to it (like somehow I
never got around to buying a Beatles album until a couple years ago). But
listen to "Nebraska", and other of his less-well-known stuff. The popular
stuff was, I'll grant you, pretty annoying and boring, but the suff you've
never heard is pretty good....

>Only Knows" is the best pop song ever, but I think that "Yesterday" is a
>better song, not to mention most of the songs that were recorded during the
>"Sgt. Pepper" sessions.  Better records. Better songs.  Better lyrics.
>Categorically better.

But please remember that this is your OPINION, not an absolute truth.
(...attempting to start a philosophical discussion here.... HO-HO...)

>Absolutely.  Is it "better" than "Pet Sounds"?  I believe that it is.

I believe that it is NOT better. Fa-fa-fa-fa-fa, fa fa fa (Listeneing to
"David Watts" as I write this)
Both are great. Why choose?

>Of course Brian regarded the Fabs as competition. But there were many


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:01:14 -0400
From: "John McGreivey" <>
Subject: Re: Pure Pop for Now People

>grips) There are two things I see in Sgt. Peppers that I have never
>detected in the Beach Boys material that I've heard. One is the
>surrealism of the lyrics, and the other is the downright abstract nature
>of the noises the Beatles used to color the songs. I think it was a
>major leap from the world of 20th century visual art into the auditory
>world. It was only the flood gates swinging open, though, as the tide
>had been rising for a while.

In fact, I have to disagree somewhat. In fact, the songs from "Smile"
(never released, but most of the songs found their way onto Beach Boys
albums in the late 60's) were pretty surrealistic, at times. THe music
itself certainly was. Listen to "Vegetables" (which features, by the way, a
"solo" by Paul McCartney, munching on a carrot) and "He's going Bald" from
"Smiley Smile"....

Both groups had a profound sonic influence on the music that came after
them. Both were great. But certainly the Beatles, od course, were more of a

>"Red Rubber Ball" by The Cyrkle is a close runner-up, especially since I

Great song! Co-written by Paul Simon and the leader of the Searchers (of
"Georgy Girl" fame).

>Forgive my English senses of humour, but what the lightly-poached arse is
>"power pop"?

DEF: Poppy songs with lotsa guitar.
ALT. DEF: Poppy orgasmically great songs that aren't popular. With lotsa

[lusher] "Earn Enough for Us" or Utopia's "Cry" or "Hammer in My Heart"
[midrange] Some Cheap Trick stuff
[more... umm... garagy?] Buzzcocks, Rezillos, as well American (mostly)
garage-pop bands like the Parasites, ... Maybe the Muffs....

Anyway, it seems like a convenient descriptive; not necessarily a generic
classification. Sort of melodic songs that make you want to sing along in
harmony AND play air guitar at the same time.
Well, that's the way *I* see it, anyway.


>Mitchell, but she's too damn good to get embarassed over.

Yeah! And, speaking of the Parasites, they did a great ...umm..
gulp...garage-power-pop cover of "Both Sides now....

Another definition of power pop: a can of coke, shaken violently, and then
opened in your boss's face.


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