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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 164

                 Wednesday, 7 April 1999

Today's Topics:

                        Red Barron
                   Most R song you L...
                What did Dave play on AV1?
                        Guy Barker
                   Embarassing songs...
                       Oopsy Daisy
    Embarrassing music and Yes (maybe the same thing)
                  Re : Dick-u-lous Songs
                    Testimonial Dinner
           At Last! (my turn for an AV1 review)
               Lennon & McCartney vs Wilson
       Testimonial Dinner and my Favorite XTC video
                   Re: music theory 101
                Re: Testimonial Dinner...
                  To the one and only...
            "I'm so anal, got two brown eyes"
            "Easter Theatre" CD Single in US?
          another interview with Andy and Colin
  Re: XTC's influence on Nixon's Head/Pop Culture Press
         Hey Dave Gregory: Talk with Bill Nelson
                    learning to spell


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Message-ID: <003801be8043$8fcb92c0$>
From: "Steven Paul" <>
Subject: Red Barron
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:31:33 +0100 wrote:
>Now as far as my Pepper goes:
>Well I can remember as a child having a children's record that contained
>the SNOOPY AND THE RED BARON song.  You know the :
>or more!

Don't know if I remember the words just right, but your post in chalkhills
(#155) brought back a flood of memories.  Your not Eric Mullenburg are you?


Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 12:47:26 -0700
From: "Dane Pereslete" <>
Subject: Most R song you L...

Let's see...It has to be:

"Surfin' Bird" - The Cramps


Logging in from beautiful Glendale, CA  USA
"Brrrryakasaky, Gimme some seafooood, Mama!"  -or-


Message-ID: <000c01be8089$f2dd0b00$4b6456d1@mabrey>
From: "Andisheh Nouraee" <>
Subject: What did Dave play on AV1?
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:02:36 -0400

This question goes out to those who know and to those who think that they
know.  What did Dave play on AV1?  I know that he did some the arranging on
Colin's tracks, but what instruments does he play on the album?  Does he do
any of the backing vocals?  Inquiring mind wants to know.

Andisheh "Keeping It Real In The A-T-L" Nouraee


Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:09:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ted Harms <>
Subject: Guy Barker
Message-ID: <>

In 5-162, Carey Guitar stated:

> ...barker plays the sweet shit out of that tune (The Last Ballon). who
> is he?

>From the All-Music Guide:

> A superior British trumpeter with an attractive tone and a versatile
> style, Guy Barker has thus far recorded as a leader for Miles Music and
> Spotlite. In England, after formal study, he played with John Dankworth,
> the visiting Gil Evans, Mike Westbrook, Chris Hunter, Carla Bley,
> Ornette Coleman ("Skies of America") and Clark Tracey. Baker also worked
> extensively with Stan Tracey and played at repertory concerts. His
> _Isn't It_ set for Spotlite includes an effective version of Bix
> Beiderbecke's "In a Mist."

It then lists the artists with whom Guy has played with.  Many pop-types
in there - everybody from Wham! to Joan Armatrading to Erasure to the
Housemartins!  He's even played with Macca (on Flowers in the Dirt)!

For more info, check out

Ted Harms                                      Library, Univ. of Waterloo                           519.888.4567 x3761
"But all things excellent are as difficult as they are rare."  B. Spinoza


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:16:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: Embarassing songs...

My question to you all is... What is the MOST RIDICULOUS song
you LOVE? My submission, obviously, is Mandy.  Come on... embarrass

...God, there are so many embarassing songs I love!
How about 'Love is Like Oxygen' by Sweet?

'The Clapping Song" by Shirley Ellis?

'Goo Goo Muck' by the Cramps?

There are whole genres of music I love which are embarassing. Remember
power pop in the early '80's? That stuff still makes me smile.

Some friends have suggested that I should be embarassed at how I love
Joni Mitchell, but she's too damn good to get embarassed over.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:23:17 -0700
From: KenL <>
Subject: Oopsy Daisy

In the Oops department...

>From Kristi...
>>Colin's songs on Nonsuch sounded
>>like naval gazing

Naval gazing (verb) : Glancing at cute military guys in those little
sailors' caps.

D'Oh!  Well here's proof that you should never completely check spell
checkers to do all your proofing for you.

Ken L


Message-Id: <>
Subject: Embarrassing music and Yes (maybe the same thing)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:06:39 -0400

Nicole wrote:

> My question to you all is... What is the MOST RIDICULOUS song
> you LOVE? My submission, obviously, is Mandy.  Come on... embarrass
> yourselves!

Maybe "What Have I Done To Deserve This?" by the Pet Shop Boys.  So there.

And Erik wrote:

> Has anyone else heard or made that comparison? I've always been a
> borderline fan of Yes, sometimes they're great, others merely annoying.
> I think it's Jon Anderson's voice that causes me irritation, much like
> Geddy Lee.

I did read that comparison elsewhere and I just don't hear it myself.  I'm
a Yes fan, too, but of course the problem with being a Yes fan is that Yes
is almost never the same band twice.  After a long stretch of a lot of
dreck, they finally put out some stuff that recalls their good albums from
the 70s, the two "Keys to Ascension" collections (both are about half live
material, half studio material).  The live stuff on KtA Vol. 2 is fairly
inessential, so it's a little irritating that they didn't release the
studio album separately, but Vol. 1 is pretty swell, featuring a totally
unrecognizable, Yessed-out cover version of Paul Simon's "America".  After
this brief detour into respectability, Yes once again lost it completely,
acquired a new keyboard player, and put out the abysmal "Open Your Eyes".
What is with those guys?

-- Francis Heaney

"Everybody needs a mood lifter."
   -- Rush (Hmm, still embarrassing.  Oh, well.  So there again!)


Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:37:21 +1000
Subject: Re : Dick-u-lous Songs

In Chakhills #5-162, Nicole ( offered this
challenge :

>> What is the MOST RIDICULOUS song you LOVE?

For me, it would probably be <shudder> "Crunchy Granola Suite" by Neil
Diamond, for two reasons. Firstly, the way he grunts "Good Lord!" at the
end of the first verse was probably the last time he exhibited even the
slightest trace of balls on record ; and secondly, I've always found the
line "I know a man who's out of touch" to be strangely amusing. It's irony
on a base level, I grant you, but I still get a laugh out of it.....

A close second would be "Billericay Dickie" by Ian Dury & The Blockheads.
This wasn't a ridiculous song as such, but in Australia, it was turned into
a commercial for cleaning products (!), so now it's hard for me not to make
the connection with Spray 'n' Wipe (bastards).


"You can cram it with walnuts, ugly!" - Homer Simpson.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:21:39 EDT
Subject: Testimonial Dinner

Dorothy wrote:
>Is there anyone among us Chalkids who became turned on to XTC because they
>liked one of the artists who performed on Testimonial Dinner, bought the
>album, and then wanted to hear more XTC?

How about this one: I discovered XTC by subscribing to the HELLO club.  I
got the 1994 series in one lump sum in the spring of 1995 while at
college. As most of you no doubt know, Andy Partridge contributed to this
now defunct monthly CD club with 4 brilliant songs: Prince of Orange, It's
Snowing Angels, Candymine, and Some Lovely (My Brown Guitar). I had know
idea who Andy was when I popped in his CD, but ended up asking a bunch of
friends the following day.  Only one of them knew Andy was in XTC.  Once I
heard that, I checked the local CD store and decided to buy the last CD,
hoping it would be somewhat like the HELLO contributions.  Needless to say,
Nonesuch was even better--even more varied and polished that I instantly
became a fan.

The second CD I bought, however, was Testimonial Dinner, because, at the
time in 95, Upsy Daisy did not exist and it seemed to me that Testimonial
was the closest to a greatest hits album. I was looking for something in
which I could sample a bunch of their songs. After listening to it, I was
intriqued even more and wanted to hear all the XTC originals. After that it
was all uphill: The Dukes, Oranges, Skylarking, Settlement, etc.

One benefit of discovering Andy & XTC in 1995--I didn't have to wait 7
years for a new album.



Message-Id: <v01540b01b3309d178088@[]>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:27:20 +1200
From: (James Dignan)
Subject: At Last! (my turn for an AV1 review)

Dear god, but it took the longest time for Apple Venus 1 to arrive in New
Zealand! I arrived at Echo Records a handful of hours after it turned up at
the store, and by the time I got there there were only two copies left!
Admittedly a store in a city the size of Dunedin wouldn't have stocked that
many, but the manager did tell me there had been 'several on display',
which I take to imply that at least three or four of them had gone that
day. No doubt Tim, the store manager, had hidden one of them away for his
own listening pleasure, as he too is an XTC fan...

As I type, I am listening to the CD for the first time, so please forgive
any strangeness in my sentence structure... I just felt like giving an
initial, as-it-happens first thought on it. Of course I've known several of
the songs from the demos, but i'll try not to compare them, as I
deliberately didn't overly play the demo tape (didn't want to spoil the
album!). I'm also not going to say much about the lyrics - we all know how
good Andy in particular can be lyrically, and have had time to start
dissecting them - other than to say how glad I am that they have that
typically XTC feel: pastoral, hopeful, and in tune with the religion of
Nature - Pre-Raphaelite rock.

River of orchids... very nice. Almost an 'Across the antheap' approach in
the complexity. Philip Glass? Never. I note the arrangement was by Gavin
Wright - formerly a member of Penguin Cafe Orchestra - and it is their
sound I hear more than anyone else.

I'd like that... oh, the backing vocals! Perfect... and the weird
circus-esque caliope glissandos - a lovely touch, as is the slow backing
vocal fade after the song itself has ended.

Easter theatre... the chorus works very nicely, and its good to hear the
bite of the guitar. The brass makes me think of Penny Lane. The first verse
didn't gel particularly well on first listen... needs time...

Knights ISK... hitting that same faint Beach Boy-ness that works so well in
'Chalkhills and children'. I feel that this one may become a firm

Frivolous tonight... oh dear... This is a shame - I was always a fan of
Colin's work, but I'm afraid that on first listening this doesn't really
cut it for me. Maybe a second listening... Just a bit too bouncy-jokey in

Greenman... lovely. Just lovely. The 'Arab morris dancer' feel of the
intro, the chorus which seems to echo the melody of the hymn "Jesu joy of
man's desiring". The grand sweep of strings. The interplay of voices in the
'lay your head' passages. Mmmm. Excuse me while I play this one again...
this is one of those tracks that feels like I've known it for longer than
my lifetime - it's always been here waiting.

Your dictionary... melodically it reminds me vaguely of "Dancing barefoot",
oddly enough. Lyrically it's a little heavy-handed, but not as badly so as
I'd feared - the orchestral arrangements mask some of the venom - a more
rocking feel would have made it too blatant.

Fruit nut... same bouncy-jokey feel as FT. At the risk of a B**tles
analogy, this may be Colin's equivalent of McCartney's Maxwell's silver
hammer period. I just hope he doesn't go downhill from here in the way
Macca did. FWIW, I prefer this to FT so far, but I think the arrangement
may be too much for it. It may have been better left as a mild acoustic

I can't own her... strangely, this sounds more like vintage Moulding to me
than Andy's work, with the ghost of 'In loving memory of a name' coming
through occasionally. The song is suspended in the air by strings (pun
intended), with the high aetherial patented Van Dyke Parks feel to the
unsettling violins here and there. The swirling build-up in the 'swirling
sky' part are excellent. I'll have to listen to the demo of this one,
because I siimply cannot imagine it without the orchestration, which is
spot on. I note with some surprise that they are by Mike Batt - Mr. "Bright
eyes", Mr "Wombles", Mr "Tarot suite"!

Harvest festival... a fairly straightforward arrangement, which does suit
this song, which I've liked since I first heard the demo tape. Nothing new
really to report on it except the bonkers recorders - not sure yet whether
they work...

The last balloon... on one listen., I'd rate this the weakest of Andy's
songs on the album. A shame, as XTC can usually be relied on to finish
their albums with a breathtaking bang, whether it be the desolation of
Travels in Nihilon or the soaring, heartrending grandeur of "Chalkhills and
children". Lyrically, it's an interesting comparison with the latter. In
C&C, Andy felt he was floating but tethered to his past, and that that was
all that kept him in tune with his surroundings. Here, he is saying that
those anchors should be jettisoned, that he and all around him should be
jettisoned. Just a thought to ponder.

It's difficult to make a fair assessment based on one listen while trying
to analyse and type at the same time, but I'd say that with the exception
of Colin's songs, which are weaker than I would have liked, this album
would rate pretty highly with me amongst XTC's albums, and it wouldn't
surprise me if it eventually joined the great four of English Settlement,
Black Sea, Mummer, and Skylarking in my thoughts.



Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:51:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Benjamin Lukoff <>
Subject: Lennon & McCartney vs Wilson
Message-ID: <>

> On April 6 1999 Michael Versaci <> wrote:
> Ben forthatmattered:
> >For that matter, "Wouldn't It Be Nice?" and "God Only Knows" blow much
> of Sgt.  >Pepper's, if not all of it, out of the water in terms of
> songwriting.
> Lennon & McCartney have never been "blown-out-of-the-water in terms of
> songwriting" by anyone.

Their entire body of work has never been blown out of the water in terms
of songwriting by anyone, but certainly individual songs have been.
You're not suggesting, are you, that "The Word" is superior to "Easter
Theatre", or that "Little Child" tops "Waterloo Sunset"?  Certainly the
Beatles' worst song isn't better than anybody else's best song?  So what I
meant in my post was that "Wouldn't It Be Nice?" and "God Only Knows" are,
in my opinion, better *songs* than "She's Leaving Home", "Good Morning
Good Morning", "Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite!", "Lucy In The Sky With
Diamonds", "Lovely Rita", "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band", and its
reprise.  Lennon & McCartney are great, but even the great aren't
infallible, and Brian Wilson is great too.  And once we get to Lennon &
McCartney's solo work, well..



Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 02:13:56 -0400
Subject: Testimonial Dinner and my Favorite XTC video
Message-ID: <>

I copied some songs from my friend's copy of Testimonial Dinner, and I
loved Sarah McLauchlin's version of Dear God.  She does an amazing job.
I also loved TMBG version of 25 O'Clock and Spacehog's version of Senses
Working Overtime, what ever happened to them (Spacehog I mean)?  I also
heard XTC mad cameos on the album what did they do, or was this a rumour?
Okay, here's my Favorite XTC video.  Since I haven't seen many bad ones
it's hard to say what I don't like, except Making Plans for Nigel is a
bit awkward, especially Colin's off sync.  But here are my two favorite
videos from XTC.

Grass - I love this video.  It just makes me smile whenever I see it.  I
loved it when Andy almost gets run over by a lawn mower, and he loses his

Mayor of Simpleton - This video is just fun.  I love the Avengers style
of the video, especially the European version that I got from Ian
Stewart.  I'll get more stuff from you soon. :)

I played the song Easter Theater to my parents and they thought it was
cool.  Should I try to convert my parents to like XTC, or just leave
alone.  They do like different stuff from Clannad to Rod Stewart.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 02:40:00 -0400
From: Jefferson Ogata <>
Subject: Re: music theory 101 (Dan Schmidt) had this to say:
> My hearing of the song is that the vocal phrases tend to start on 1.
> I'm sure it's possible to hear it other ways as well, but I'm not sure
> how you can prove that this hearing is invalid.

I don't think you can prove it either way. I personally suspect
that those who hear the vocals on 1 need to turn up the bottom end
on their stereos a bit. One could always ask Andy...hey, Mitch!

On the last balloon:

> If you mean the chords at 2:30, I hear the sequence as this, reading
> from left to right, higher notes above lower notes (make sure you have
> a monospaced fon, againt):
>   G  A A# C#  E D  D Eb
>           B     C      \
>           F#    F       Gb
>   C       B     Bb      Bb

Hmm. I hear (MIDI notes):

G3      A3  Bb3 C#3     E3  D3      D3  Eb3 F#2
                F#2         C3              A#1
                B1          F2              G1

Jefferson Ogata.  smtp: <>
finger:  ICQ: 19569681  whois:


Message-Id: <l03130300b330b00dfb17@[]>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:48:21 -0600
From: Brian Landy <>
Subject: Newsweek

The reviewer in Newsweek gave AV1 four out of four stars this week!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 00:32:29 -0700
From: Rich Bunnell <>
Subject: Re: Testimonial Dinner...

>Okay, this is my first post, and I'm declaring that I found XTC through
>Testimonial Dinner about 2 years ago.  I bought it because I'm a huge
>TheyMight Be Giants fan.  I really enjoy their version of "25 O'Clock"
>although I now love the original version as well.

Whew, FINALLY, someone else who loves the TMBG version of 25 O'Clock.
The Dukes version is definitely without a doubt more inherently
psychadelic (someone tell me that Andy's "FIVE!!!" at the beginning
doesn't sound straight out of the 60's), but in my opinion TMBG's cover,
while it takes a lot of the 60's-style production and psychadelic
gimmicks away, is a perfectly great cover. Some XTC fans have called it
a "mechanical, cold" take on the Dukes tune, but Flansburgh's sly vocals
work well with the verses, and when Linnell joins in for the
chorus--that just clinches it.

I don't care for much of the rest of Testimonial Dinner myself, but it
could possibly be because the Verve Pipe version of "Wake Up" is so
godawful (and completely destroys any of the jerky spark that Colin's
original genius Big Express-opener had) that it makes the entire album
sound not very good to me (aside from TMBG's cover).

At this point an angry Verve Pipe fan will jump in and defend the band
and the cover--but this is the internet, Chalkhills has over 1,000
subscribers, opinions are bound to differ.

* ----------------------------------------------
Rich Bunnell or "Taoster Man"--No, it's not a typo


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 06:35:45 -0400
From: Todd and Jennifer Bernhardt <>
Subject: To the one and only...

...Nicole (for me anyway):

I said, about Cheryl's totally twisted Tellytubby theme thread:

> What I (and Jerry Falwell) want to know is, which one would carry the
> purse?<<<<<<

She said ("I know what it's like to be..." no, wait, that's not it):

>  It would be Andy, my friend.

Why? What casts him into Tinky Winkydom in your mind?

And she asked:

> My question to you all is... What is the MOST RIDICULOUS song
> you LOVE? My submission, obviously, is Mandy.  Come on... embarrass
> yourselves!

That would probably be "Ogre Battle" by Queen. Actually, all of Freddie
Mercury's side on Queen II (The Black Side) is pretty ridiculous, but it
was done back when the band rocked, and it's a hell of a lot of fun to set
the stereo at 11 (when the wife and kids are out of the house, natch) and
sing along to.



Message-Id: <4782AD6ADDBDD2119B570008C75DD5C102201C@MGMTM02>
From: Lawson Dominic <>
Subject: "I'm so anal, got two brown eyes"
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:03:01 +0100

...and to think that some of you had the cheek to complain about a little
anti-censorship debate. Tut and indeed tut.

>> I think Sgt. Pepper's place in the cultural pantheon should be secure,
but I don't believe it's revisionist history to suggest that it wasn't such
a pioneering work in terms of engineering and production and even

No, but it is a load of anal twaddle. (And yes, before my house is
fire-bombed, I am being mildly facetious. I trust that's enough warning for
the irony-free among us!). This all reminds me of the rubbish that Metal
fans always come out with when they're desperately trying to be "for real"
and more clued-up about the whole scene than everyone else. The classic one
is "what is the best Thrash album ever?" - a simple enough question, with a
very easy answer (it's "Reign In Blood" by Slayer - obviously!).
This is guaranteed to have every acne-encrusted, greasy-haired hygiene
vacuum (that's "Metal fan" for anyone who is unfamiliar with them, and BTW
this is self-deprecation - ENJOY IT, DAMN YOU!!!) waving their
a-lot-cooler-than-Slayer albums in the air, shrieking "Ahhhh! But
Possessed's "Seven Churches" is much better" and "Ahhhh! But Venom were
around first" and "Ahhhhh! Slayer are commercial sell-out corporate
bitchwhores who remind me of Journey - I vote for Xentrix" (NB - this is
only funny if you were into UK thrash about 10 years ago, and even then it's
more upsetting than funny...). The truth is, of course, that there is no
definitive answer (except for "Reign In Blood" by Slayer - obviously!) and
that we can debate this kind of thing for years and never reach a consensus.

Yes, Brian Wilson probably did beat McCartney to the tape for the "ooh, pop
music with brains" trophy, but then you can also argue that The Beach Boys
are best remembered for "I Get Around" and "Surfin' USA" and that it's only
journalists and anal music fans who rate "Pet Sounds" so highly. None of
them have done anything worthwhile in the last three decades anyway (and the
first person to mention Wings gets a bullet through the temple) and both
albums have had both a positive AND negative effect on pop music during that
time (Ahhhh! Deal with that one smart-arses!). Oh, and "Reign In Blood" (by
Slayer) is better than both of them, in my humble oh shut up.

Obviously I'm not objecting to the current debate, just using it as a
wafer-thin excuse to talk about music for a change. Everyone else is being
so eloquent about AV1 that I can't think of anything to add, particularly
after Michael's "Last Balloon" story had me almost blubbing. What is it
about that song? I've had several hair-standing-on-end moments with it
too.......better get myself some kids and really maximize that listening

>> Lennon & McCartney have never been "blown-out-of-the-water in terms of
songwriting" by anyone.

What about Slayer? No, but seriously folks, I'm not a big advocate of the
"you can't beat the Beatles" school of thought, but Michael's right - there
are better songs than Beatles songs, but not that much better!

...and I've changed my mind about my Sgt Pepper anyway, and have decided to
blend the idea with Nicole's "I like shit songs" thread. My Sgt Pooper, if
you will, is now anything by Gilbert O'Sullivan (or even Gilbert & Sullivan,
my Dad's favourite thrash band), especially "A Woman's Place". Guaranteed to
stretch the patience of even the most reconstructed 90s post-feminist
feminist. A bit like the word tw@, if we're honest (and now I realize how
much more offensive the word is in America - aw, bless!) or my other
favourite word, so memorably spelt out in the digest recently. (Ugh! My
spell-checker tried to turn favourite into favorite. Damn you Microsoft!!!!

....oh, and I can't drive either - maybe we should form a club and get Andy
to be president. Yeah, right, great idea Dom. Thanks. No, really.


"We're not allowed signature files at work, so I can't write anything witty
after my name. Mind you, nor can any of you..."


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:54:54 EDT
Subject: "Easter Theatre" CD Single in US?

Has anyone seen the "Easter Theatre" CD single in shops in the US yet? I
went looking for it yesterday but did not find it.

Wes Wilson


Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:26:21 -0400
Message-Id: <>
Subject: another interview with Andy and Colin

There's another interview with Andy and Colin - a good one! -
in this week's issue of the online music journal, Consumable Online.
It should be up now at



From: "Andy Rosenau" <arosenau@Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Re: XTC's influence on Nixon's Head/Pop Culture Press
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:46:26 -0400
Message-ID: <000d01be80fd$082a1750$86e87080@cas-112098a.Princeton.EDU> wrote in #161

>so, the obvious question:  is anybody familiar with this band, and just
>how good/whatever are they?

I am very familiar with them and they are EXCELLENT!  I may be a little
biased though 'cause I am the lead singer & co-founder of the band :))))

This is probably my first post to Chalkhills since the mid 90's. I am a
big-time lurker/reader of chalkhills since the early 90's (91/92).

One thing I haven't seen mentioned on the list is that XTC has a song (I'd
like that) included on a CD/Magazine called "Pop Culture Press". We also
have a cut from our CD.  This will probably be the only time we will be on
the same CD w/ XTC so I'm pretty psyched about this.

SHAMELESS PLUG:  We are playing this Friday Night (4/9) in beautiful Center
City Philadelphia at the Pontiac Grille located at 3rd & South Streets.
Playing with us are The Trollyvox, and Mr Marijuana (special guests under an
assumed name). We are headlining so we will go on after midnight.

To the readers of Chalkhills -  for the first who responds to me
( I will put you and a guest on our guest list for
the show.


Andrew Rosenau
Director of Administrative Services
Computing and Information Technology


Message-ID: <900822C71730D2118D8C00805F65765C4E36C7@EINSTEIN>
From: Jill Oleson <>
Subject: Hey Dave Gregory: Talk with Bill Nelson
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:50:28 -0500

I've been hearing a rumour that Bill Nelson will be
touring England and the US within the next year
and may be looking for another guitarist for his band.
Perhaps he and Dave Gregory should talk... Seriously.
It would be great!


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:11:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Desmond <>
Subject: Zzzzzzzz.....

John Gardner droned (and I quote just a small portion of his patronization):
>Sidebar here on theory:
>The bass clef generally lie below the middle C in the scale, and are
>written in the clef, whose two dots enclose the line for F below middle
>C (music-babble, which coincidentally was invented in 1600), and the 4
>measure treble clef on the same score is in the same "key" as the bass.
>Without a clef, a note on a staff has no meaning.  The staff is the
>lined bar graph we associate with published music.  Recall?

Sure, whatever...will someone wake me when this snoozefest is over?



Message-Id: <v03102805b331128422ec@[]>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:09:50 -0500
From: Olof Hellman <>
Subject: learning to spell

I appreciate Richard Pedretti-Allen's dilemma:

>Miles, our 3 year old abecedarian
>is very keen on picking up ANYTHING
>from anyone willing to spell to him.
>This makes "Your Dictionary" a potentially
>troublesome song.

Staffan, our 19 month old (whose nose was touched by Andy at the Chicago
Border's signing) just can't get enough of "I'd like that".  He likes "Your
Dictionary", too, but so far only knows the letter "C"

Having listened to AV1 now for a month, I'm still torn about whether or not
"Your Dictionary" fits the album.  Also not sure whether the expletives
work for or against the song, but that's part of the tension built into the
song, I think.  Anyway, I'm starting to think that ALL THE CRITICS ARE
WRONG about this one.  It's not the poisonous, biting, sarcastic
vinegardripper that it has been framed as.  Sure, there's poison there, but
the aura of the song is that post-divorce anger is a means to an end.
That's why it ends on such an upbeat tone: This anger is something that you
are supposed to get over -- indeed it can be a necessary step towards
getting over it, and perhaps even that the wittier the anger the better.

Looking forward to hearing Miles on the next tribute tape  (I suggest "Dad
running low on soul coal").

- Olof

Olof Hellman
Northwestern University,  Dept. Materials Science & Engineering


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