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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 162

                  Tuesday, 6 April 1999

Today's Topics:

                 Never Mind the Buzzcocks
                      Moulding Demo
                  Testimonial Dinner...
             Trainspotting the name "XTC"...
         Todd.. you KNOW how I'd answer this one!
                    Re: Vichyssoise...
                       Seagulls etc
                        XTC Demos
                    Soup and souped up
                    the swing is dead
              Sgt. Pepper a pioneering work?
                        Go 2 Tape
               XTC Synch Sessions reminder
                XTC v. Yes???, and, Thanks
                        few things
    ROO, AV in general and various other naughty bits
                     music theory 101
          The Spelling of Kos..Kaz...Unabomber!
  Re: river of bore, kids... (or rather) whinning my way
             RE: Cars, animal flesh, and such
            Martin Newell, Andy and sctuff...
                Apple Venus...import info?
                  Re:Colin gets jipped!
                 string pizz all mangled
                     end of thread!!!
                      Re: XTC on BBC
                     Sailing, sailing


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Message-ID: <000301be7f4d$27481f80$211017d4@smj>
From: "Stephen Jackson" <>
Subject: Never Mind the Buzzcocks
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:14:51 +0100

The Daily Telegraph's TV supplement has 'Andy Partridge of XTC' down as one
of the guests on Never Mind the Buzzcocks (BBC2 9.30pm, Monday 5th) along
with Chrissie Hynde, Tony Hadley and Josie Lawrence. Unfortunately, both
the Radio Times and the BBC website reckon Bobby Davro, rather than AP, is
the other guest. Probably is too...ho-hum

Two steps forward, six steps back.


Message-ID: <000101be7f55$f2e20900$0d1217d4@smj>
From: "Stephen Jackson" <>
Subject: Moulding Demo
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 12:15:23 +0100

Right, I've kind of asked this before but I don't think I got a response. I
have a copy of the Nonesuch demos, and there is a Moulding composition that
I don't know the name of and I can't find in the archives. Does anyone
recognise the following? Can you put me out of my misery? What's the song

"Am I on a trip to nowhere
Madcap taxi on fire (?)
Got no brakes, got no signposts
Waiting for the big bump
And it's getting too late to jump
Look out, car out of control
Look out, man out of control"

Two steps forward, six steps back.


Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:34:30 -0400
From: Dorothy Spirito <>
Subject: Testimonial Dinner...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.9903311453080.26099-100000@esun2028>

Is there anyone among us Chalkids who became turned on to XTC because they
liked one of the artists who performed on Testimonial Dinner, bought the
album, and then wanted to hear more XTC?

I read, in Digest 2-11, an excerpt of David Yazbek's liner notes in which
he welcomes/encourages such folks; it would be neat to know that at least
one of us became an XTC fan in this manner.  If you don't want to de-lurk,
email me privately.

Hoping to satisfy my curiosity,


Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:38:47 -0400
From: Dorothy Spirito <>
Subject: Trainspotting the name "XTC"...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.9904050835460.26099-100000@esun2028>

All right, all right; I'll add the one I saw.  The abdominal exercise
gadgets at my gym are "XTC".  It's printed on the headrest.

("Lay your head, lay your head...")



Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 06:19:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: nross <>
Subject: Todd.. you KNOW how I'd answer this one!

In diget #159, In response to Cheryl's teletubby
nightmarish XTC theme...
Todd wrote:

>>>>Cheryl thought about XTC playing

> the Teletubby I've made
> myself sick. Ack.

Barry, Terry ... Andy ... Colin ... Dave ...

What I (and Jerry Falwell) want to know is, which one would carry the

 It would be Andy, my friend.

"Again, Again"

Now may I pose a NON-XTC question to all?

For the second time in 5 days driving in to work... I heard
the song "Mandy" by Barry Manillow (please don't shoot me
for incorrect spelling).  I BLAST that song. I LOVE that song.

My question to you all is... What is the MOST RIDICULOUS song
you LOVE? My submission, obviously, is Mandy.  Come on... embarrass



Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:40:56 -0400
From: Dorothy Spirito <>
Subject: Re: Vichyssoise...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.9904050935570.26099-100000@esun2028>

Actually, vichyssoise is a cold pureed potato soup. The "French fish soup"
you're thinking of is bouillabaisse, and that's more a stew than a soup.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 07:09:50 -0700
From: Jon Davis <>
Subject: Seagulls etc

I saw a video on public access cable once by a band called Seagulls
Screaming Kiss Her Kiss Her. Seeing the name I was intrigued enough to
watch it. They were a Japanese female trio, and aside from the name, I
could discern no XTC similarities. They played ragged "alternative" rock
with a fair amount of dissonance and distortion. Not offensive, but also
not as interesting as their name. Sort of along the Sonic Youth lines,
but not a huge lot.
A little searching turned up the following references:
a couple of DJ playlists
reviews of the YoYo a GoGo festival (97 I think) (they're described as
"cute Japanese pop") has 2 items for sale
"From's noise rock, what else?? Fronted by Japan's answer to
Courtney Love,  Aiha Higurashi, it's flavored with a bit of the
blues--think the aural equivalent of a nasal wasabi burn. Hurts so good.
The new cd, 17, is out on wunder-guy Cornelius' Trattoria label. DO NOT
MISS THIS SHOW!!" -- from
Well, that's some info.


Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:59:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Steve Fish <>
Subject: XTC Demos
Message-ID: <>

After reading the Chalkhills FAQ I'm intrigued about the potential for an
official release of XTC Demos!  Does anyone have any info on these demos,
how they might (or might not) be available now, and when (if ever) they
might be released by XTC themselves?


Steven M. Fish


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:11:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wilhelm DeVries <>
Subject: Soup and souped up

Dear Belinda - Enjoyed your ruminations on the
(motor)cycle.  The bit about cyclists not being in
therapy is great, bet the book you mentioned is
interesting.  As a former (motor)cyclist, and now a
(human-powered)cyclist, I can safely say that both are
exhilarating, and yes, wonderful therapy in this crazy
world.  One advantage you guys have though is
solidarity.  I used to love how most bikers wave at
each other as they pass.  Bicyclists don't do this for
some reason, boo hoo.

RFAB, who dislikes cars unless he's in them (and loves
to eat HOT Vichyssoise, is there a word for that?)


Message-ID: <618F91505D89D21185330001FA6A4954464736@HFD-EXCH008>
From: "Witter, Karl F" <>
Subject: the swing is dead
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:14:51 -0400

Back when I should've been a punk teen like many here, I was
listening to big-band music and show tunes thanks to WNEW-AM
in New York. (Now *that's* alienated!) That station is gone,
and its successor WQEW has been replaced by Radio Disney.

So it was some interest I read about how the latest Gap ads
don't have those jitterbuggers in khaki, in an article with
two of my fave subjects: Social/marketing/advert crit and
XTC relevance. For example,

"The most remarkable thing about the New Swing is how
untransformed it is by contemporary experience, how
unreflective it is of anyone's real life. Those who have
adopted it have done so wholesale, resolutely determined not
to make it their own; the New Swing's allure is how it never
threatens to reveal the feelings or values of the times. The
New Swing doesn't have even the honesty of vulgar nostalgia.
If people were actually sitting around playing Duke
Ellington's Blanton-Webster records, that would be one thing...

"If there are still examples of true oddball genius out there...
they don't exist as part of the mass culture anymore, at the
intersection of vision and Zeitgeist. They struggle for oxygen
somewhere off to the side, because more and more a '90s
media-culture that "swings" has no room for such visions; both
the culture and the media are now almost completely about affect."

--Steve Erickson, Salon online.

Say, what is jazz?


Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:51:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Benjamin Lukoff <>
Subject: Sgt. Pepper a pioneering work?
Message-ID: <>

> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:20:23 +0000
> From: chris vreeland <>
> Subject: Sgt. Pedant and his lonely history lesson
> This is where Sgt. Peppers comes in. It was the approach to the
> recording concept that made the record unique at the time. For the first
> time, a record was not merely a means of preserving the original work of
> art, a collection of songs. Rather, the recording itself became the work
> of art. The Beatles (arguably, I'm sure) were the first recording
> artists to treat the magnetic tape itself as a canvas, painting with
> sounds the way Jackson Pollack flung paint.  This opened up a whole

Quite arguably.  I would say that Brian Wilson preceded the Beatles in
that respect.  Today!, Pet Sounds, and Good Vibrations were a lot more
than just a record of a performance.  In fact, "treating the magnetic tape
itself as a canvas" is a perfect description of Brian's production of Good
Vibrations, if we can also insert "and the studio" after "magnetic tape".

> world of possibilities that we now 32 years later, take almost wholly
> for granted. You can see the explosion that was "Psychedelia," and the
> profusion of similar woks of art, some greater than others, from that
> point foreword. Electric Ladyland, Dark Side of the Moon, Security, and
> English Settlement all owe a debt of gratitude to Sgt. Peppers for being
> so immensely popular, if nothing else. Sure, if the Beatles hadn't done
> it, someone else would have, and perhaps some other record would rest at
> that milestone. But to suggest that any other work should hold it's
> place in the pantheon would be revisionist history at it's worst.

I think Sgt. Pepper's place in the cultural pantheon should be secure, but
I don't believe it's revisionist history to suggest that it wasn't such a
pioneering work in terms of engineering and production and even
arrangement.  What it is is a great album, one that I think hangs together
much better than Pet Sounds, even though I think that the production and
arrangement of the individual songs are much better on the latter.  For
that matter, "Wouldn't It Be Nice?" and "God Only Knows" blow much of Sgt.
Pepper's, if not all of it, out of the water in terms of songwriting.



Message-Id: <>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:56:54 +0000
Subject: Go 2 Tape

Dear Chalkers,

Recently there has been some discussion here if the design of the
original Go 2 cassette release just replicated the text found on the
album cover or not.

Well, you asked for it so here's the full text:


BTW: the inlay card lists the band members as follows:


I've mailed a scan of this j-card to John Relph for the Chalkhills
picture archives

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:59:26 EDT
Subject: XTC Synch Sessions reminder

This is just a reminder for any AOL folk wishing to join the Apple Venus
Synch Session on Wednesday, April 7th (10:00 pm EDT).  We'll be playing an
album a week, going backwards in time, until we reach White Music sometime
this fall, exhausted and sweaty.

Take a peek at for details, etc.


PS: Does anyone have info yet regarding Andy's "Space Ghost Coast-to-Coast"
air date?  I'd hate to miss it.  Thanks.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 13:36:44 -0400
From: erik schlichting <>
Subject: XTC v. Yes???, and, Thanks

Well, I just bought my third copy and ordered my fourth copy of Apple
Venus 1 over the weekend. It is the perfect gift.

I also "forced" a good friend to listen to AV1 while we sat around in
the spring sunshine, drinking beer. The only comment that he made was
that the vocals on "River of Orchids" reminded him of (in a good way)
Yes. This comparison had never occurred to me, and I'm not sure I agree.
Has anyone else heard or made that comparison? I've always been a
borderline fan of Yes, sometimes they're great, others merely annoying.
I think it's Jon Anderson's voice that causes me irritation, much like
Geddy Lee.

A quick "thank you" to those who mentioned Martin Newell's "Greatest
Living Englishman" on the list. It's a fantastic disc that I would've
never heard otherwise. "Before the Hurricane" seems to be a glimpse in
the direction that Andy Partridge was headed for AV1. "Thank you" also
to Keith Sawyer for pointing me toward Mark Eitzel; I'm hooked. "60 Watt
Silver Lining," along with Newell's "G.L.E." and the "Buddy Holly
Collection" are the only discs of late that press AV1 for time in the



Message-Id: <>
From: steve mcallister <>
Date: Mon,  5 Apr 99 13:16:10 -0500
Subject: few things

   my 'Sgt. Pepper' would be just that.  I just got myself a more serious
stereo (not that what I had was slouchish or nothin'), and boy does it
sound good.  So does 'Black Sea', though.  Everytime I hear it I'm amazed
all over again at how good it is.

   For those with a few extra $, my band, Plum, just released our 3rd CD.
It's distributed nationwide or can be ordered through for about
Also, this Friday we start a 3 week tour.  Plum's dates:
F  Apr 9   the Hurricane in KC
S  Apr 10  People's  in Ames, Iowa
Sn Apr  11 Duffy's in Lincoln, Neb
W  Apr  14  The Fine Line    Minneapolis, Minn.
Th  Apr 15   O'Gara's Garage    St. Paul, Minn.
F  Apr 16  Rathskeller   Madison, Wis.
S   Apr 17  Rock Island Brewing Co    Rock Island, Illinois
?S Apr 18  Schuba's    Chicago???? (not yet confirmed)
M  Apr 19   Some open mic in Ann Arbour, acoustic?
W Apr  21   Luna Lounge     NYC  (10 pm)
F  Apr 23  Arlene's Grocery  NYC  (7pm)
M  Apr 26   The Sutler   Nashville, Tenn.
 - then back home to Austin.

A recent review placed us next to Jellyfish, Crowded House, and The Posies
- and as I am a memeber of this list. . . .

So please come out.  We've been known to play a song or two from the XCT
catalog including: Respectable St., Everything, Snowman, Earn Enough For
Us, and others.  Perhaps we'll sprinkle some in if, say, I spot a
chalkhills shirt or something else likewise noticable.

Steve McAllister


Message-ID: <>
Date: 5 Apr 99 13:25:44 CDT
From: Mor_Goth <>
Subject: ROO, AV in general and various other naughty bits

Greetings and welcome to a very eclectic post:

Regarding the ongoing discussion of the musical arrangement of ROO.
I think most of the intricacies of the rhythmic structure arise
From the fact that this song is basically built on counterpoint.  I
wouldn't go so far as to say it is a "fugue" or "canon" in a pure sense
but it definitely has elements thereof.  I find the use of counterpoint
in a "pop" song to be both amazing and enjoyable.  I refuse to classify
ROO as a "stunt song" precisely because it is quite complex but still
accessible.  XTC has been playing with counterpoint structure for a
while (ex... the trumpets in Omnibus)

Regarding non directly XTC posts:  I think it is a great thing that
eloquent people post their opinions regarding such things as the evils
of automobiles to this group.  It is indeed relevant because it
elucidates an element of life that clearly has an impact upon the
music of XTC.  I would argue that there has been a healthy distrust of
technology in XTC's music for quite a while (RBR on Drums and Wires comes
immediately to mind).  I will add a loud and hearty "ME TOO!" to
Duncan's post regarding cars.  I do not drive, never have... and it
heartens me to read an intelligent critique of the culture of

Regarding spelling and grammar in posts:  Yes it is nice to read a
well constructed post with immaculate grammar and spelling.  However,
I think it would do us all good to remember that posting to this group is a
recreational activity, not an attempt at a doctoral dissertation.
Not only that, but attacking grammar, spelling, etc.. is a rather
transparently irrelevant to debate on the content of any post.

Regarding censorship: Ok, this thread has been spun out far too long but
I can't resist making a comment:  A polite request for a certain amount
of discretion has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with censorship. Why?
Because we foul mouth bastard can still say whatever the fuck we want.



Message-ID: <>
From: "carey guitar" <>
Subject: music theory 101
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 11:44:22 PDT

hey to all the cats and mice and austin folk & knowledgeable cheese.

i haven't set about decoding the harmonies of av (i've been working on
stephen sondheim's 'assasins' bit by bit, which is a bitch) and
appreciate all the tips on the new record. i love when andy sings the
hook in easter theatre against that bartok sounding grind - then resumes
the chorus.

last balloon - those chords are great. spell em out here, if you will.
i'll trade you the 'like a sunflower' chord for balloon or rook!

'A' lydian blues is as far as i've gotten: barker plays the sweet shit
out of that tune. who is he?

peace & heads up - carey

q:how do you get a guitar player to stop playing?
a:put music in front of them.


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 13:51:22 -0500
From: Claudia Alarcon <>
Subject: seagulls...

   Hey there!

             Someone asked about a band called Seagulls screming kiss her,
kiss her. They were here in Austin for the SXWS festival. They are from
Japan, and I believe it's a "girl band" or at least mostly female. I didn't
go see them, but I read a review that described them as "jap-pop". I don't
think they're a tribute band, but perhaps they may do a cover, I don't know
for sure. I bet that they're fans, though, with a name like that!! Does
anybody else know more about them?



Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:58:12 -0400
From: Dorothy Spirito <>
Subject: The Spelling of Kos..Kaz...Unabomber!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.9904051456040.26099-100000@esun2028>

Maybe next we can work on "Buttafuoco"  : D



Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: nross <>
Subject: Re: river of bore, kids... (or rather) whinning my way

In response to:

>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Adrian Ransome" <>
Subject: River of Bore, kids

Dear Mr Chalkhills

Had Mr Partridge written a song called "River of Lettuce" where he
instructs us all to '..push the steak from your plate.." no doubt this
mailing list would be chock full of earnest 5-page dissertations
about the merits of vegetarianism.<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Or it could be "Toilet  of Shit, flushing away" where our instruction
would be to "push that poop from your colon". (wait... did I get
the area right... wasn't there the argument before... damn WHY
did I not listen???)

Or it could be "Page of Crap" where our instructions, then, would
be "delete the words from the screen"?

... What's the point... you don't the little debate... make
yourself a new one! ;-)

I wouldn't give a 5-page dissertation on the merits of vegetarianism.
I like my meat. Steak, my lord, you can't beat. Pig or cow
you must eat... is that short and sweet?

give me a break!

-Nicole "not the one-and-only, but one of them, anyways"


Message-Id: <199904051440.OAA083.59@GATEWAY.TIRERACK.COM>
Subject: RE: Cars, animal flesh, and such
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 99 14:40:01 -0600
From: William Loring <>

Adrian writes:

>Had Mr Partridge written a song called "River of Lettuce" where he
>instructs us all to '..push the steak from your plate.." no doubt this
>mailing list would be chock full of earnest 5-page dissertations
>about the merits of vegetarianism.

Fearing that we might actually launch into the topic hinted at above, I
would respectfully ask: What would be wrong with that?

If people want to comment intelligently regarding the statements made in
XTC's music, isn't that what this list is all about? I think the argument
for/against motorized individual transportation is certainly valid,
considering Andy's alreay-voiced views on the subject. The arguments so
far have been quite compelling, even though they are not always realistic
for all parts of the world.

That said, I do enjoy my car. I'm a bit of a gearhead, so I tend to
gravitate towards high-tech contraptions that I can tinker with.
(although calling my Honda Civic Si "high-tech" may be stretching things
a bit.)

What I'd like to see pushed from road are these idiotic Sport Utility
Vehicles. These vehicles have virtually no purpose, are a danger to other
vehicles, get lousy gas mileage, and handle like, well, trucks. Dave
Barry wrote an excellent send-up on these ridiculous vehicles a few weeks
ago. Check it out here:

Anyway, I think the discussion of transportation as it relates to River
of Orchids is a good one, and has been quite interesting thus far. One of
the more civil arguments of late, as well.

I think I'm reaching my limits on the time-sig debate, but that's just
because I'm not into music theory.

William Loring


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:08:48 EDT
Subject: Martin Newell, Andy and sctuff...

Hello Chalk-ettes!

Last Friday, I was listening to Martin Newell's *The Greatest Living
Englishman,* Featuring the New Improved * Andy Partridge and could not find
a date this album was produced or recorded.

Any one know?

Why does Martin suggest that Andy is "New Improved?"  What connection does
Martin have with Andy?  And, is there a correlation with the Dukes and
Martin's psychedelic (Shaggo-delic baby) sound?  Sounds like it was
recorded on an 8 track too.

Also, considering Andy's brilliance and gift at songwriting, tone poems,
use of puns, idiosynchratic lyrics, and the like, what was "Through the
Hill," by Andy and Harold Budd meant to achieve?  I did not understand this
production!  Or, quoting from *Song Stories,* was Andy just 'dicking

John Gardner

Is there a statement about this album?


Message-ID: <>
From: Henry Martinez <>
Subject: Apple Venus...import info?
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:10:56 -0700

Hello All

I found the following listed at CDnow.  Has anyone purchased this version?
If so, what do you think/was it worth it ($30.00 at CDnow)?  Since there are
no additional tracks on this version, is the packaging so deluxe as to
warrant the extra cost?




Apple Venus V.1 (Limited Edition)

 Genre: Pop
 Origin: JPN
 This is an import title.
 PONYC M131311


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:16:17 -0700
From: bg769@lafn.ORG (Ian Dahlberg)
Subject: Re:Colin gets jipped!

>Sorry if someone has noted this, but I was looking at an extremely stupid
>book 'bout the greatest guitarists, and for the Andy and Dave sections
>they state several times that Andy wrote "Making Plans For Nigel."  And
>then they called the lyrics "pithy."  Idiots...

The XTC songbook, "Eleven Different Animals" also mistakenly has Andy down
as the author of "Nigel." Somebody wasn't doing their homework, obviously!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 18:01:57 -0400
From: Michael Stone <nedrise@MNSi.Net>
Subject: string pizz all mangled

Chalk alongs

I apologize that my little diagram of the RoO pizz strings phrase in #161
came out all mangled.  It looked good when I sent it.  Oh well.  I'll post
it again when I figure out how to get it to Chalkhills intact.



Message-ID: <>
From: Steve Sims <>
Subject: end of thread!!!
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 12:55:59 -0700

  The Unabomber was a cold-blooded MURDERER.  Who the fuck cares how he
spells his name?!?!  He should be removed from this planet, forthwith.
Better yet, he should be pithed like a frog and subjected to live medical

Right-to-lifers please feel free to flame me offline.  Can we return to the
music now?



Message-Id: <>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:01:06 +0000
Subject: Re: XTC on BBC

Dear Chalkers,

Heaps of thanks to Paul Henly who alerted us all to this:

> A quick message to all you Brits. Andy Partridge is supposedly on
> 'Never Mind The Buzzcocks' on Monday 6th April, set your video!!!

And don't forget us Dutchies! We've got the Beeb on cable

> I've often watched the show and thought AP would be just the right
> sort of guest, we will now find out.

Me too! This could be just the perfect vehicle for his wit and banter
I wonder who he will be teamed up with. Couple of weeks ago fellow
teen idol and Swindonian singer Billy (no last name) was on the show
and i reckon she'd be a great teammate for the old goat :)

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse


Message-ID: <>
From: "kristi leigh siegel" <>
Subject: Sailing, sailing
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 15:38:45 PDT

KenL writty:

>>Colin's songs on Nonsuch sounded >>like naval gazing

Naval gazing (verb) : Glancing at cute military guys in those little
sailors' caps.



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