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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 157

                  Thursday, 1 April 1999

Today's Topics:

               A band by any other name...
                      Well, I tried
                Re: Various Bits & PIeces
                      In her bonnet
            Yes, it goes on and on my friends
                      duncans essays
                   another Austinite...
               Necessary response to a fool
            Sgt. Pepper, AP gives his opinion
             RE: XTC in the strangest places
                      More Bubblegum
              Scott Walker is not Sgt Pepper
                    Harvest Vegetable
                 Earthshaking Discoveries
                       Pepper Steak
                Happy Easter and Passover
           Nothing but love, luck and lollipops
                   Meeting Place Demo?
                   Upbeats and Downboys
                   Say it ain't so Joe
                    Be Bopping in XTC
                 finding no thugs lyrics
                        Car crime
         T*ll someone who c*res! / History's Punk
              XTC in Teen Sensation Shock!!!


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:52:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Ted Harms <>
Subject: A band by any other name...
Message-ID: <>

...could be a bike.

Well, it was just announced here that an 'X.T.C.' nail polish has been
spotted (to go with the XTC drink).

To further the spread of the name of the best band the world has ever
known, the Giant Bicycle company has 4 mountain bikes in their XtC line.
(Note: the reversed typography on the bikes name viz a viz the band's.
Coincidence, or part of the unexplained?)

There's the hard-tail XtC SE1 and SE2.  (The SE1, btw, was just named
'Mountain Bike of the Year' by Mountain Biking magazine - and I can see
why as it's quite nicely spec'ed for just $1225 US.)

And, the hardtails are complemented with two full-suspension rigs, the DS1
and DS2.

Full more info on the bike, go to:

Now, you can ride an XtC while wearing X.T.C. while drinking XTC while
listening to xTc.  Will wonders never cease....

Ted Harms                                      Library, Univ. of Waterloo                           519.888.4567 x3761
"But all things excellent are as difficult as they are rare."  B. Spinoza


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:54:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: Well, I tried

I took the message written in Spanish to the Altavista Babelfish site,
and translAteds it from Spanish to English. The result? See for

    Excusadme to speak in espanol. It saddens to me to have to do this, but
    it is the unica revenge to which I can choose. It makes 5 or 6 months
    envie pieces of XTC to JIM ZITTEL in exchange for others. Since then I
    have received about 3 or 4 messages of Jim pidiendome excuses by the
    delay. To the day of today I have not received the material that me
    prometio and either receipt but messages of excuse. If somebody wants
    to deal with which it considers my experience.  Thanks. Luis
    Gonzalez. Espana.


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:02:03 +1000
Subject: Re: Various Bits & PIeces

PARENTAL ADVISORY : This post contains letters of the alphabet which have
been arranged in an order that some people might find offensive. Now read
on (but only if you really, really want to......).

David Seddon had this to say recently :
>> Lots of songs get chopped for single release

To which Dane Pereslete responded :
>> And, didn't SWOT have its bridge truncated for single release as

Certainly did - the version I've got on "The Compact XTC" is the single
version, which doesn't include the line about buses skidding on black ice
(woo-woo). There's a small guitar bit missing as well. Also, the version of
"Wake Up" on Compact is considerably shorter than the Big Express version.

Then we had Tyler Hewitt offering this gem :
>> humor trumps taste almost every time. Anyways, when someone says
something over the top on this list, I laugh and try not to take it
seriously. I recommend the same for everyone else.

Hear, hear - couldn't agree more (for example, the parental advisory
warning I threw in earlier - just a bit of harmless fun, I swear........oh
shit, I'm not supposed to swear anymore........shit). And while on the
subject of humo(u)r, Jefferson Ogata made me wish I hadn't been reading
these digests at work :

>>  I don't mean that we should not be allowed to write whatever we want,
of course, but blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Ginger blah
blah blah blah Ginger blah blah blah.

The people I work with now think there's something (else) wrong with me - I
break into fits of laughter for no apparent reason when I'm supposed to be
doing something constructive (I love a good Gary Larson reference almost as
much as all the Jethro Tull discussion that's been flying around lately).

Duncan Kimball's association with potty-mouthed old women bubbled to the
surface :

>> I've known 80 year old women who swear like troopers.

If you really want an 80 year old woman to say "fuck", tell the 80 year old
woman next to her to yell "bingo". You'd be surprised at how well this
works in a crowded church hall.

.....and a final note of congratulations to Dom Lawson for his efforts in
giving up the cigs. I did it last year, and the end result is well worth
all the weight gain and headaches and violent mood swings. The first three
months were the worst......and then the next three months, they were the
worst, too.......from there, it's a bit of a downhill slide......


"What's the deal with this whole 'protect the children' thing? Does it mean
that when people reach a certain age, they're off your fucking love list?"
- Bill Hicks.


Date: 1 Apr 99 10:29:44 AES
Subject: In her bonnet
Message-ID: <>

Happy Easter to everyone!
~p@ul in freezing autumnal australia


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:28:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Cheryl <>
Subject: Yes, it goes on and on my friends

Hey hey,

Steven Paul wrote:
>I'd like to hear XTC play "the song that never ends"
>from Sherry Lewis' - - Lamb Chop's Play Along, and
>see what they can do with it.
Ah!  That is too funny.  I don't think I would want
children to hear that version, after hearing what
they can do with a live jam.  ; )

Or how about the Teletubby I've made
myself sick. Ack.

Regarding my question about having one song played by
I threw the question out there and never answered it
myself.  This is because it caused trauma for me.
Before the album came out, I would have certainly
picked Miniture Sun ( It was nice to see this picked
by another chalk hiller)  but DON'T
KNOW.  I had a melt down trying to figure that out.
I think I would have to agree with smarty-pants Todd
Bernhardt and say I'd Like That but..but.  Ouch this
hurts.  I can't decide.  :)

Mark!  You are so sweet for calling me lovely.  The
check is in the mail my friend. : )

I am one giddy girl.  By some twist of fate I have
managed to finagle a week to London.  Oh I can't wait
to meander through Regents Park breathing in the
roses, ride the 134 bus to Muswell Hill, stumble home
from the pub(half kidding) and have a nice cup of tea
with Margaret... MAKE THESE 5 WEEKS FLY!

And I ask of my chalkhills friends to keep their
fingers crossed for me for I have job interviews
lined up for when I arrive there!  Yea!

Okay this is a weird question, if Mr. P could direct
his own videos for their songs, do you think he would
do it?

Oh!  Congrats to Peter Fitzpatrick (my
brother-in-XTC) on his recent addition to his family.

Take care everyone,


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:50:14 EST
Subject: duncans essays

 Just a coupla comments on Dunks essays.
  The one about cars was just BRILLIANT. If only we all thought that
way.Including me.
Although, I would change " a cleaner,quieter,safer, more civilized place
without cars" to "without humans". I'm almost embarassed to be human.I really
do wish I was my Great Dane.
 The one essay to Molly was too complicated for the situation.Not that it was
bad, just dont worry about it so much.THEY'RE JUST WORDS.Lets all replace
with " fuzzy bunny". Its so much cuter.
XTC comment: I still have AV1 running non stop in my truck.Irony!! (I really
need my truck). Still great. My girlfriend doesnt get why I dont listen to
anything else.
 ARF ARF,Roger


Message-Id: <>
From: "Michael Davies" <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:15:29 -0500
Subject: Aje

> > Recently there's been speculation about who the youngest list member
> > might be.
> I'm a 22 year old puppy doing what I'm told. I assume that leaves me
> somewhere in the bottom part ay?

I'm 16, and I think there's a 13 year old on here.

Therefore you can guess that I haven't been waiting the whole 7 years
for the new album with bated breath (what is "bated breath",
anyway?), and I probably can't appreciate it as much as most of you
can.  I'd already bought 11 XTC albums and two 12" singles (for a
total of $61, although I didn't get any of the CD bonus tracks)
since August '96.  Apple Venus cost me $10 (on cassette), which was
$4 more than any other XTC album.  The main thing I notice, thinking
about this album compared to other albums, is that Partridge's
songwriting seems to have gotten more mature and sophisticated and
restrained and all that sort of stuff, and Moulding's has gotten more
juvenile and silly.  Has anyone else thought this?

got three in a row, go for one more - go for it - connect four!
Michael davies


Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:25:52 -0600
From: Claudia Alarcon <>
Subject: another Austinite...

    don't need another Austini-i-ite...

    Well, I know that, but this is my first post, so bear with me, please.
 I would like to comment on a few of the issues floating arond the chalkhill:
  I met Andy, Colin and Dave when they were here in Austin for their
Oranges and Lemons release interview at Waterloo records, got Andy to sign
a copy for my friend who was in jail at the time for too many traffic
tickets. He wrote" file for me" on the album!!! great sense of humour,
man!! they were all very nice to me, no complaints about that. I also have
a tape of their interview/performance on KGSR radio that day.
  AV1 is good, but it aint no Skylarking, folks. I love River of Orchids,
Greenman, and Your Dictionary stikes a special chord in my heart since I
just went through a divorce myself. I know what you mean Andy, I'm all
there with you... has anybody noticed the resemblence to the piano in the
Beatles' "Piggies" there?
  A word on the mythological aspects of "Easter theater": The line about "
now the son has died, the father can be born" reminds me of something. I
study anthropology, especially Maya studies, at the University of Texas.
There are myths from Classic Maya times ( 200-900a.d) about the death and
birth of the Maize God. His sons, called the "Hero Twins" had to die a
sacrificial death so their father could be born again as the sustenance for
the Maya people. This theme of the "recycling " of father and son in
relation to maize is the basis of Maya mythology ( did you know that, Mr
Partridge?). This is one of the topics of my thesis, so I found it
interesting in the XTC context. And ya'll thought you had seen XTC
  On the Sgt Pepper topic, I have to HONESTLY say that the albums that made
me who I am today were "Black Sea" and "More songs about buildings and
food", by the Talking Heads (my favorite band, with XTC a close second). I
remember high school parties in Mexico City in which we would dance
endlessly to "Living through another Cuba", and "Respectable Street". If I
could have the boys perform for me live in my living room, those would be
the songs...
  I guess I have given away my age by saying this, but I am glad that I am
a fan still of the band that helped change my life. I sure hope they do the
flatbed truck tour of the USA, I'll travel for that!!!
  Let's have another Austin XTC drinking convention, shall we Jill? I
couldn't make the one over SXSW. I was busy making plans to go see Fripp's
Projeckt Three.
 Love to all of you like-minded freaks,



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:23:02 EST
Subject: Necessary response to a fool

On March 23, 1999 wrote:

<<I'm really getting tired of J. D.'s random posts that meander all over the
place with no real subject to speak of.  J. D., if you're going to post on
Chalkhills, please be coherant.>>

First of all, Mr. Exteecee, the word is spelled "coherent."  Please learn to
use a spell checker, or "Your Dictionary."

Second, as long as I'm posting about XTC, what does it matter that my mind
wanders from topic to topic?  In the end, I think that most of our subscribers
can find value in what I'm posting.

Third, your recent post about Andy's "conversion" to Paganism made me LOL big
time!  Your assertion that Andy is a hypocrite because he "doesn't believe in
God, but he does worship tree spirits" is almost not worth commenting on.  I
suggest that you do a little more research on Paganism before embarrassing
yourself with worthless comments like that.

Exteecee (what is your real name anyway?), if you want to take me on in a
flamewar, be forewarned that others who have attempted such a foolhardy
venture have left this group in tears.  The Chalkhills archives can provide
you with plenty of evidence.  Just ask any of the longtimers in this group
about Vicky5, Andyboy, and Terrybarry.  Now there's some history for ya!

J. D.


From: (Joel Flaxman)
Message-Id: <9903312143.ZM1696@custer>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:43:38 -0600
Subject: Sgt. Pepper, AP gives his opinion

I can't believe no one has mentioned this interview with Andy:

AP: Yeah, yeah, I don't want to pee on your bonfire or anything. But,
Revolver was more the cat's whiskers.

JD: Thank you, that makes it official now. If Andy Partridge says it.

GK: That's right, now Andy, can you elaborate on that a bit? What about
Sgt. Pepper left you cold?

AP: Uh, it never left me cold. I just preferred... Revolver just seemed to
be their height. It seemed to be more urgent and more biting. And I thought
Peppers was a little diffuse. And, dare I say it. I'm gonna be hung, drawn
and quartered for this, had a couple fillers on it.

BTW, this thread caused me to start listening to the White Album again,
and, dammit, a week later I can't stop!



Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:53:59 -0800
From: QUEENIE <>
Subject: RE: XTC in the strangest places

>I was in a grocery store in Northern California, Napa Valley
>to be more acurate when I relized that they were playing "King For A Day"
>over their PA system. Needless to say I was stunned to hear an XTC song
>over an otherwise, boring, sedate and very commercialy conservative venue.
>What are some other "strange" locations that their music has been herd?

This past christmas, while shopping at Marshalls (a cheap, discount
clothing store), I was perusing the sweaters when I heard on their speakers
what was undoubtedly Andy Partridge's voice.  I stopped and listened and it
was a christmas song.  I didn't even know they did a christmas song!  It
was a very strange experience


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to my soul."
-Robyn Hitchcock


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:46:15 -0800
From: Gino Nave <>
Organization: omniman
Subject: More Bubblegum

Did anyone mention "The Twelve Flavours of Hercules"?  This was either a
song title or a faux band name.  Also, a few years ago, I recall reading
about the bubblegum demos and the working title was "The Gingerbread
House."  Does that ring any bells with anyone?  Maybe I am just



Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:45:02 -0600
Subject: Scott Walker is not Sgt Pepper
From: "McCausland_Ian" <>

Good to see my Sgt Pepper thread conjuring up some many respones!

In my continual discovery of influences on todays crop of music I finally
found a Scott Walker cd... I wonder if Our Andy has heard and admires him?

I do know that Neil Hannon of Divine Comedy should divide his royalties in
half and give them to Mr Walker... Jarvis Cocker might wanna do the
same...It's amazing how obscure Scott Walker is here in Canada and how vast
his influence is in the UK.... any other "secrets" you Brits holding?

I quite like the CD I found, sorta a best of his first 4 albums. Its very
show tunes-esque, thats why I thought maybe AP might like him....

Ian McCausland


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:52:42 EST
Subject: Harvest Vegetable

The recorders on "Harvest Festival" remind me of Syd Barrett. And Pink
Floyd were on the "Harvest" label...

Julian Cope has a song called "Easter Everywhere" on the _My Nation
Underground_ album.

I went out and bought the _Owsley_ album. Excellent!

RE: The Simpsons' XTC Episode

Some good plots, but we need jokes to fill it in:

HOMER: You guys are "ecstasy," right?
ANDY: That's X-T-C.
HOMER: You say it your way...

HOMER: You're from England, right? (Brain, let me be right just this once!)
COLIN: Swindon.
HOMER: Doh!...wrong again! (Stupid brain!)

MR BURNS: Smithers! I can't get this CD to play (scene then cuts to Burns
trying to play it on a Victrola).

SMITHERS: Uh, better let me handle it, sir.

MR BURNS: Just who are these "X-T-C" fellows? I like the cut of their jib.

Wes (Wilson)


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:59:47 -0400
From: Micheal Stone <nedrise@MNSi.Net>
Subject: Earthshaking Discoveries


Here's another 'breath effect' to add to the list, and it's right in our
own back yard.  Check out the emphasis on the word "breath" in English
Roundabout (at 1'14").

People have been identifying Colin as the crooner of "Stage Left...Stage
Right, etc.  in Easter Theatre, but I'm quite sure it's Andy. So there.

Mike the nitpicker Stone


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 01:08:30 -0400
From: Micheal Stone <nedrise@MNSi.Net>
Subject: Pepper Steak

Chalk bots

To continue the "Sgt. Pepper" thread, here's some of my mind blowers. In
some sort of chronilogical order.

Blood Sweat & Tears -4
          -the best album by the greatest horn band of them all
Bruce Springsteen -Born To Run
          -drama, passion and more drama
Captain Beefheart -Shiny Beast(Bat Chain Puller)
       -brilliant, hilarious weirdness from the master. Like two flamingoes
          in a fruuuuuuuit fight!
King Crimson -Discipline
       -saw them on that tour in a small club in Detroit. Some guy kept
          wailing, "Thank you
        Robert Fripp... Thank you for coming!"  yeah.
Peter Gabriel -4th(Security)
         -rhythm to the fore. no cymbals
Kate Bush -The Dreaming
        -strange, dark and sexy. also no cymbals
Jon Hassel -Aka/Dabari/Java-Magic Realism
        -psychedelic meditation
XTC -Oranges and Lemons



Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:15:40 -0500
Subject: Happy Easter and Passover
Message-ID: <>

I just wanted to wish all of you people a Happy Easter and Passover.
Tomorrow (Friday) I'm off to visit my family and I won't be back until
Monday.  I'm going to be playing Easter Theater a lot this Sunday.  :)
Oh and I'm not going to say anything more on the censorship thing.  I
wasn't trying to start anything.  I was just speaking my mind.  I've
straightened things out with Dom, who isn't a bad person at all.  Also, I
just wanted to thank Misty for her nice defense of me.



Message-ID: <>
From: "Amanda Owens" <>
Subject: Nothing but love, luck and lollipops
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:43:57 CST

Here we go again!

J. "Charlie" Brown did sayeth:

>Jesus fucking chirst!
Who is this "chirst" you speak of, medear?

>Well good for you amanda, name's capitalized, thanks. If you're gonna be a dick, at least
be a grammatically correct one.

>Mitch thinks your are
>mature beyond your years
Oh but did I say Mitch said that? No no no, deary. What I said was that
it was passed on through Mitch. The one who actually said it? Gregsy,
comparing me to Aimee Mann.

>There is
>nothing more tasteless than tooting your own horn.
I can think of many more things. Rally's hamburgers, Spam, you. Should I

>You could have just
>thanked Mitch and not made an ass of your self.
Tis your opinion, medear. But IMNSHO, you're the one who's making an ass
out of yourself by being such a mean-spirited %^&$)!@&$! Let me revel in
my joy Goddamnit!

Tis all for now,
Amanda C. Owens
"It seems the thinkers you call greatest are the sort who often fall ill
young or pine away. How can they help but drag the species down?"-Brad
XTC song of the day-Your Dictionary
non-XTC song-Magnet and Steel-Walter Egan


From: "Neil Oliver" <>
Subject: Meeting Place Demo?
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:00:36 -0800
Message-ID: <000101be7c0d$58cb7360$6a48b5cf@default>

As I was playing the version of "The Meeting Place" from "Transistor Blast"
in my car today, it occurred to me that this may actually be Colin's demo,
rather than an XTC recording. That would explain why it is lower-fi and less
polished than anything else on the BBC studio discs. Does anyone know for
sure, or agree with my hypothesis?


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 02:41:49 -0400
From: Micheal Stone <nedrise@MNSi.Net>
Subject: Upbeats and Downboys

Chalk alongs

Dieling asked
>Does anyone actually understand how the line "River of Orchids" fits in
>rhythmically in the rest of that song.

RoO is based on a continually repeating 2 bar pizicatto string phrase, in
4/4 time.  Once it gets going, it never varies.  The line "River of
Orchids" starts at the beginning of this 2 bar phrase, and since that line
is also 2 bars long, it stays in sync with the underlying string phrase.

and also
>Same with Greenman, the intro woodwind bit is not starting on the 1 of the
>rest of the song, how does it work ?

A beat can be divided in different ways (into 3 parts, into 4, into 5,
etc). In the case of Greenman, let's divide it into 2 equal parts.  The
first part is the

downbeat, and the second is the upbeat. The opening woodwind phrase seems
to start on the downbeat, setting up the beat of the song. But when the
drums come rumbling in, they seem to start on the woodwind's upbeat.  The
drums set the real beat of the song, so that means they are starting on a
downbeat, and the woodwinds are actually begininng on an upbeat.

Try this: beginning with the second woodwind phrase, go
taptap-tap-tap-tap-tap- tap-tap...Our taps should line up with the drums
when they come in.  It feels like we're tapping upbeats(2nd part of the
beat), but they're actually downbeats.

For next week, read chapters 34 through 38, when we'll be discussing how to
juggle 3 running chainsaws while doing the Twist and simultaneously singing
all 29 verses of "She Got the Goldmine(I Got the Shaft)".



Message-ID: <>
From: "Joseph Revard" <>
Subject: Say it ain't so Joe
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:00:21 PST

Well Y'all I'm sad to say, but me ears have worn thin with AV1- hey
hey now... don't get me wrong, loved it from the get-go, but I know
my limits and before I burn out on it better to move I went
over to my friend Tommys today and started recording Transisitor
Blaster- I have been unemployed for some time now, hence no kala ($
in Hawaiian) and various other XTC treasures that I somehow lost
along the way. Sorry to see David Oh go-hurry back. IMHO I think we
can dispense with the Sgt.Pepe's theme, mine was so long ago I'm
trying to remember Which time What album REAllY blew my mind. Though
it is nice to here refreshing talk about music that really mattered
to you at a time. A couple people mentioned 'Talk Talk' and I was
wondering if they'd ever heard of "Spirit of Eded"- a beautifully
layered and very dark album, I had heard that it was due to a band
members death..Any comments? Mary Beth- Orange,Green and White are
lovely nail colors (at least now). As for the tit-a-tat stuff, I think
Kurt Vonnegut put it best  "what the world could use more of is a
little less love and a little more common decency" (paraphrased)


"somebody shoot me while I'm happy!!!!"- Fats Waller after a
particularly good solo.


Message-ID: <026501be7c19$5dbc4a00$51a725ca@speedking>
From: "Simon Curtiss" <>
Subject: Be Bopping in XTC
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:26:38 +1200

Jill Oleson wrote
>The recent releases of XTC's "Transistor Blast" and
>Be Bop Deluxe's "Tramcar to Tomorrow" had me wanting
>to learn more about John Peel and his long-standing show
>with the BBC's Radio 1.

Peelie! Radio God of Great Britain!

Neal H. Buck wrote:
>Drastic Plastic - Be Bop Deluxe
>Sound on Sound - Bill Nelson's Red Noise
>Both the brainchildren of Mr. Nelson, it's funny how DP foreshadows
>XTC's D&W/BS era, while SoS (which came out after DP) echoes XTC's
>WM/Go2 sound. And of course, John Leckie produced them both.

I would also say that Drums & Wires & Black Sea were better than Drastic
Plastic, but Sound on Sound was way better than White Music & GO2.

Good to see some more Be Bop/Bill fans out there - You have of course
checked out Mark Rushton's encyclopaedic Bill Nelson web-site at  - if not make tracks there soonest.

Oh, and Neal I want ALL the inside info on Belinda, so I know what to expect
when she gets here!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 03:28:01 -0400
From: Micheal Stone <nedrise@MNSi.Net>
Subject: finding no thugs lyrics


Look in the Chalkhills archives!  That's what they're there for.


Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:17:01 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <v01510104b328e76f6fb9@[]>
From: (Mark Fisher)
Subject: Car crime

>But, by the end of the day.....I really need my car!  Sorry chuckles.
>-John "you can't get the buttoms these days!" Gardner
>In Chicago

This is the kind of thinking that needs to be undermined. I don't know John
Gardner's situation, but in what sense does he *need* a car? The car
creates its own demand.

You need it to travel a greater distance to reach the out-of-town
supermarkets that wouldn't have existed were it not for the car. You need
it to live further and further from your neighbours, and then wonder why
there's no sense of community any more. Were once you would have sent 15
minutes walking to the shops, you now send 30 minutes driving there. And
you call it freedom.

The other day I overheard someone saying that she *needed* her mobile
phone. These things didn't even exist until a couple of years ago. Now she
needs it. It's fascinating to see how a want or a desire so quickly becomes
a need. It's exactly the same with the car. People are unprepared to let go
of their shiny and expensive toys even when they can see it is for the
greater good.

Everyone go and look at the street outside. Wouldn't it be so much nicer if
it wasn't littered with outsize tin cans?

Melt the cars!

- Mark


Message-Id: <4782AD6ADDBDD2119B570008C75DD5C1021FFE@MGMTM02>
From: Lawson Dominic <>
Subject: T*ll someone who c*res! / History's Punk
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:43:55 +0100

>>due to unforseen circumstances, i will have to be going off-line for a few
months & will not be able to contribute to this digest. you can start
dancing now, dom.

Don't flatter yourself.

>>all the rest of you, take care for now, keep this digest alive, don't take
too much shit off of dom

Oh please! ...and that's "don't take too much shit from Dom" - my name
should be capitalized, and the generally accepted grammatical form is 'from'
not 'off of'. Be back soon now!

>>to Sabbath (yes Dom
my buddies and I played 1st & 2nd LP in the proper song
order with the proper amount of silence between tunes even),

Now that is about as cool as it gets. Can I have your autograph?

was so much fun, and it opened my ears to lots of other music as well.

Me too, even though I discovered it about five years too late. All the
classic punk albums (and if you don't know them, you don't deserve to)
became firm favourites with me, but sadly not my Dad (a die-hard Gilbert &
Sullivan fan) who spent most of the 80s sighing loudly and closing doors
behind him in a "you & your pop music" kind of way. When I brought home
"Never Mind The Bollocks", my parents' both looked mortified. Likewise my
first Iron Maiden album, my first Jesus & Mary Chain record (blasphemy!!!)
and the first Napalm Death album ("...and you call this music, do you?"). By
the time I reached sixteen my parents had given up altogether. I managed to
get my Mum into The Smiths, The Cure and XTC, but that's about as far as I
got. I tried with the Dead Kennedys, but I think "I Kill Children" might
have upset her somewhat. Funny that....

...but the amount of stuff I got into via punk is incalculable. Apart from
the obvious things like PiL, Gang Of Four, Joy Division etc there's so much
stuff that I definitely would have missed out on had I not delved into our
punkular musical past. Swans, Foetus, Nick Cave, Godflesh, Digital Hardcore,
grindcore, Death Metal, noise, gabba etc etc etc - it all stems from hearing
a few shouty, three-chord anthems at an early age. And don't you just love
those Ramones? "It's Alive" kicks the saggy arse of any live album I've ever
heard (except "Live Seeds", natch).
My love of XTC, on the other hand, comes mainly from seeing them perform
"Sgt Rock" on TOTP in, I presume, 1980. Not sure why it had such an effect,
but along with (blush) Tenpole Tudor and Adam Ant, XTC gave me a sense of
being an individual for the first time, as after a while my school "friends"
were all into either Duran Duran or Spindly Ballet (and to think punk & new
wave ended up sounding like that....I could spit!). Being unpopular is
character building you know......sob.



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From: "* Hobbes *" <>
Subject: XTC in Teen Sensation Shock!!!
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 02:26:01 PST


Just saw this hyperbolic review of Apple Venus in the latest issue
Aussie teen rag "Juice" - about three times as long as the average
record review.  What kids are going to make of this review, sandwiched
inbetween articles on Nirvana-be-Closeted-Boy-Band Silverchair, Human
Stick Insect Kate Moss, 12 Steps to Skateboarding Cool, and discussions
of "Like Dawson's Creek is just like toadally cool you know?" is
anyone's guess.  Maybe they'll all go wild at the blue light discos to
the sounds of "River of orchards".

Anyway, here it is.  I hope this reviewer never runs into Andy - i'm
sure he'd try to mount his leg or something!  ;-)

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