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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 155

                 Wednesday, 31 March 1999

Today's Topics:

                      I'd Link That
            Is your journey really necessary?
               XTC In The Strangest Places
     XTC is a "Metal" band ... it's true I tell you.
                       You're right
                Amanda of the Massive Ego
                 Roky Erikson influence?
                     Rhythmic peppers
                     bubblegum album
                 you can rejoice now, dom
                  Evening up the score!
                   English Settlement?
                      Easter Theatre
                   XTC's "naughty song"
                    Re: My Sgt. Pepper
                     RE: Amazing Find
                        Re: Pepper
                     Re: The Simpsons
                   Apple Venus volume 1
                   Re: My Sgt. Pepper's
                 best beatles album, etc.
                   Give it to me hard.


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:52:57 EST
Subject: I'd Link That

Chuckles and Children,

Apple Venus is for me (as I know it is for quite a few of you) the first
new XTC release I've ever had the pleasure of obsessing over.  So I hope
you'll indulge my sudden flurry of silly web stuff, but it's all
Andy-related in one way or another:

First link:

This is the interview Andy did in Chicago on the day of the in-store
signing there.  I posted earlier, gushing over this one, so I'll spare you
a second time.  But really, you need to hear this tape!  The transcription
(which is what this link points to) doesn't do it justice, especially not

Second link:

AOL people on Chalkhills might find this one of interest.  Weekly listening
parties for all the albums will begin next Wednesday at 10:00 pm EST with
Apple Venus.

Third link:

A little art project you may enjoy.

-Janis (yes yes yes yes yes yayaya....)


Message-ID: <>
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Is your journey really necessary?
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:00:13 PST

Technology? Luddites? Andy? The Una-Bomber? Good grief - where is all
this leading?

As far as I can see, Andy has NOTHING in common with the Una-Bomber
(other than gender). He:

A) is not profoundly psychotic

B) never killed anyone; doesn't want to (except maybe Ian Reid)

B) does not hate technology - in fact he has a shed full of it and we
are all reaping the benefits.

Andy rides in cars, Andy flies in planes, Andy watches telly, Andy talks
on the phone, Andy listens to the stereo, Andy has a home-studio, a
fridge, an iron .... need I go on?

He DOES NOT hate technology per se. I think Andy wrote 'River of
Orchids' because he dislikes one particularly nasty part of it - CARS. I
think he hates car culture, and hates what that has done to modern
society. So do I. I don't deny their usefulness or convenience. But
don't deny that cars have demonstrably had the greatest negative impact
on the environment and on human society of any single invention in

What's so bad about them? Where do I start? (where do I stop, more like)

We gouge gigantic, unsightly holes in the earth, to get minerals, to
make and run our motor vehicles. Car makers expend millions of dollars
and work-hours designing ever sleeker, slicker new models - models
designed to wear out rather than last, to be cheaper to replace than to

In computing, 'new' technologies succeeed each other within months. Yet
the single most important machine in the world - the internal combustion
engine - has remained essentially unchanged for over 100 years. "The
Technology of Tomorrow"? I might have believed that if this was 1880.

Rainforests are clear-felled to make way for rubber plantations, to
supply more tires - which then merely accumulate in huge indisposable
toxic heaps once they are worn out.

Emissions from car exhausts comprise the single greatest source of  air
pollution in the world today. Millions of people are slowly poisoned
with lead, simply because oil companies are too greedy to let them use
engines that don't "knock". Waterways are fouled with millions of tonnes
of rubber, worn from tires, and millions of litres of oil, petrol and
hydraulic fluid that leak onto the roads, or are just tipped down the
drain .

Gazillions are forked out annually on finding, extracting, refining,
distributing and buying automotive fuel. It's BIG MONEY. People get
killed over it. Often. Ask the Nigerians. Ask the Kuwaitis.

But, oh dear! What can we do with all this gooey black toxic crap left
over from the oil refining process? Hey! Let's sploodge it out all over
the roads! Brilliant. We make more roads - people drive more - we sell
more cars. Excellent, Smithers ...

Meanwhile, as we gape at the ozone layer, roads subtly change the
climate. Think about it - all around you is a huge web of of thick,
black strips of tar, laced across the whole city, absorbing heat all day
and radiating it back into the atmosphere all night. *NOW* do you wonder
why it's getting warmer?

Yet, instead of harnessing the world's largest solar collection network
for something useful, we waste even more energy on lighting the roads at
night just so that we can go anywhere, anytime ... because we can.

All but the remotest areas are now polluted, day and night, with light
and sound from roads and automobiles and aeroplanes - sound sources of a
volume and a range of the sound spectrum greater than almost any natural

"But think of all the benefits.." you say ...

Yeah - benefits such the fact that, in many countries, (like Australia)
the uncontrolled use of cars has killed and been maimed more more people
than all wars we fought put together.

It is assumed that being able to drive is a "right". Therefore, any
clown with the requisite body parts in (or near) working order, and some
evidence of brain function, is able, with only the most rudimentary
instruction, to take the wheel of a machine which uses more power in a
day than most 3rd World villages use in a month. There they are right
now - all those loonies, all those juiced-up teenagers, all those hat
drivers, all those blind, dotty pensioners, driving about in masses of
metal, at speeds capable of reducing human bodies to luncheon meat
faster than you can say "Two Big Macs to go, please".

Yet what do most of us *actually* do with our cars most of the time?
Nothing. We spend more on cars than on any thing in our lives except
buying a house. And they sit idle all night and most of the day. For a
mere hour or so each morning and evening, we climb in - one person, in a
car designed for four, or five or more - and subject our cars to a
driving regime so perfectly suited to ruining them (and enraging us)
that you can't help admiring at the insidious genius of it all.

We shuttle our way in each day from our dormitory suburbs, that squat on
what used to be productive farmland, or forest, or marhsland;  ghettos
that exist for no better reason than because we can get there by car ...
and it's so nice nice to have some space for the kids isn't it? Oh I
really must mow the lawn this morning. BRAAAAAAOOOOOWWWWMMM!

All around the world, public transport systems are allowed to decay or
(as in the case of the excellent and much lamented Sydney tram network)
are deliberately removed - because they "get in the way of the cars" -
because they interfere with the desire of oil and car corporations to
ensure that everyone has to buy one of the damned things, because
there's simply no other way of getting there.

Once we really CO-mmuted, on trains and trams (the cleanest, quietest,
most convenient, most efficient forms of powered transport yet devised).
We could read, converse, enjoy the view and the ride, or just catch up
on our sleep. Now we sit alone behind the wheel, like the proverbial rat
in the maze, trying to thread our way through the traffic and get there
on time without getting killed and/or suffering a stroke before
breakfast, consoling ourselves that "at least Rush gets to stick it to
those damn liberals". "Who do you support in the Battle of The Sexes"?
"Did you hear what Howard Stern said this morning? He's SO outrageous!"

 (... yeah, so outrageous that he has a nationally-syndicated prime-time
show ... )

And even if we can get out of the city, any real sense of distance, the
human scale of travel, is rendered meaningless. Formerly remote areas
become merely day-trips; the wonders of the landscape are reduced to a
roadside rest-stop; the land is slashed open for more freeways, just so
we can go there. And what is "there"? Just more people, more cars,
another Stop'N'Go.

Road rage ... car-jacking ... hit and run ...  we become progressively
desocialised by our cars, to the point that they become the objects -
even the instruments - of murder.

Call me old-fashioned, but I think that, in general, the world would be
a much cleaner, quieter, safer, more civilised place without the car.
They have their place. I just wish it wasn't *my* place.

Hail mother motor? Not me, buddy.


(And before you ask - I use public transport - every day.)


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:05:52 -0800
From: "Elena F. Sirignano" <>
Subject: XTC In The Strangest Places

Dear Chalkheads,
               I was in a grocery store in Northern California, Napa Valley
to be more acurate when I relized that they were playing "King For A Day"
over their PA system. Needless to say I was stunned to hear an XTC song
over an otherwise, boring, sedate and very commercialy conservative venue.
What are some other "strange" locations that their music has been herd?

NYC Elena


From: "Chris Spillios" <>
Subject: XTC is a "Metal" band ... it's true I tell you.
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:28:50 -0700
Message-ID: <>


Just in case no one's mentioned it ...

Check out to
see XTC slowly falling on the Canadian Metal chart (currently
at 25).  When I inquired as to logic of such a classification
I received the following reply (Q & A may be viewed at

Your question is very similar to one I posted two weeks ago
where a music store manager in Saskatoon asked why bands such
as XTC is included in Jam's Metal chart. For you and those who
missed it, I took the question to Doug Spence, Director of
Operations of SoundScan Canada for an answer and this is what
he said:
"The classifications for Alternative and Hard (SoundScan does
not classify as Metal) are done by both Concrete Marketing
(North America's leading Alternative / Metal music marketing
and publication company) and Billboard's panel of reviewers.
Genre classification is a very subjective thing. One person's
"classical" is another's "Adult Contemporary" and one person's
"Metal" is anothers "Pop". That is why SoundScan uses the above
companies to classify for genres."

I still don't get it.



Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:17:32 -0500
Subject: You're right
Message-ID: <>

Toni Said:
<<Molly, I am sure you're intentions are good if not a little misguided but
you can't protect these teenagers and it is not your responsibility to do
so.  Leave it to their parents as others have suggested.  I think I learnt
most of my swear words as a teenager, so these kids are probably wondering
what all the fuss is about.>>

You are right.  It's not my responsibility to watch over the teenagers.
I just think it was another knee jerk reaction I had with Dom.  I wish
parents would watch what their kids did on the internet, then we wouldn't
have to worry about censorship at all.



Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:36:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "J. Brown" <>
Subject: Amanda of the Massive Ego
Message-ID: <>

> And on a more personal note, handed down to me by Mitch was this
> comment, one of the best compliments I have ever received in my life.
> (Paraphrased of course.)-"She may be only 21, but she has the maturity
> of someone in her 30's, whereas my last girlfriend was 36 going on 15."
> (See Amanda break into a blissful grin.......)

Jesus fucking chirst!  Well good for you amanda,  Mitch thinks your are
mature beyond your years but did you have to reiterate it? There is
nothing more tasteless than tooting your own horn.  You could have just
thanked Mitch and not made an ass of your self.

 Jason Wilson Brown - History & Canadian Studies - Seattle, WA USA
"Hot dog, jumping frog, Albuquerque" -Paddy McAloon


Message-ID: <000701be7a68$c2d3cb00$d7f0abc3@vucqprlj>
From: "David Seddon" <>
Subject: Roky Erikson influence?
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:49:00 +0100

>From David Seddon

It seems that Easter Theatre is causing the most discussion.  Has anyone
previously commented that the line "Easter Everywhere" is the same as the
title of an album by The 13th Floor Elevators?

I can't be sure of this, but I'd be surprised if Andy was not a fan of this
group.  They were a seminal psychedelic garage band of the 60s, and IMO one
of the best bands ever to come out of the States.

The Elevators made some of the most interesting sounds you will ever hear,
and the album I mention is a cracker: with such gems as Slip Inside This
House (As you go by), Slide Machine (containing the interesting lyric:Down
South wherethey use the Slide Machine), She Lives In a Time Of Her Own and
Levitation.  Anyone who is into The Dukes of S would doubtlessly love this
album. If you haven't heard the Elevators then I recommend them very much!

I've often meant to get hold of a copy of the tribute to Roky E album.
Didn't some great artists appear on it?  Did XTC?  Probably not but if they
did I wouldn't be surprised.  Other interesting artists who like to make
challenging music (like Julian Cope and REM, for instance) are certainly
into them!  I never saw the album so I don't know.

Anyhow, since ET is easily the most psychedalic track on AV1 (backwards
tapes, trumpets, changing rhythms etc) it is interesting to speculate!  No
doubt someone will enlighten us about Andy's interest or non-interest in
The Elevators.

Happy Easter Everywhere to everyone!!


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:27:14 +0200
From: dieling <>
Subject: Rhythmic peppers

Hi everyone !

Does anyone actually understand how the line "River of Orchids" fits in
rhythmically in the rest of that song. I feel it starts somewhere between
the second bar (assuming it's 4/4 which might be wrong) and any other bar,
I don' know, its pronounciation and intonation sounds like it had to be
starting on the 1, but like someone moved it around on the harddisc
recording program window.

Same with Greenman, the intro woodwind bit is not starting on the 1 of the
rest of the song, how does it work ? Anyone knows ? Any tabla players out
there who don't get lost in 17/39 rhythms ?

My Sgt. Peppers:
for rock/pop in general: Electric Ladyland by Hendrix
for metal: Nothingface by Voivod
for techno: Grip by Flare aka Ken Ishii
for classical: Double Violin Concerto op.78 by Brahms

Happy Easter Theatres to all of you !


Message-ID: <002701be7ac9$960556a0$1700000a@andy-pii>
From: "Andy Miller" <>
Subject: bubblegum album
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:23:03 +0100

Thanks for your various contributions re the contents of the bubblegum
album. As it currently stands we have:

Standing in for Joe, Candymine, Cherry in your Tree, Lolly Let's Suck it
and See, Bubbleland, My Red Aeroplane, I'm the Kaiser, Visit to the Doctor,
Jelly Baby

That's 9. The esteemed Relph also supplied two further band names - in
addition to the Knights in Shining Karma, he's also given us The Lemon
Dukes and The Captain Cooks.

But John, are you sure about Some Lovely (My Brown Guitar)? It's certainly
rude enough and dumb enough to fit the bill, but according to Song Stories
it was written specifically for the Hello EP, not the bubblegum album. Any
further information?

So, one more time - any more song titles? Any more band names? And does
anybody know what this album was going to be called?

Yours, in relentless pursuit of the truth, Andy


Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:28:10 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: you can rejoice now, dom

due to unforseen circumstances, i will have to be going off-line for a few
months & will not be able to contribute to this digest. you can start
dancing now, dom.

all the rest of you, take care for now, keep this digest alive, don't take
too much shit off of dom and i hope to catch up with you all again in the

until then,

 peace & xtc,



Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:36:55 EST
Subject: Evening up the score!

Robert Wood <> wrote:

<Grumble, moan>

<<What's all this about people's personal Sgt Pepper? Are you saying what
your favourite album ever is? To me, Sgt Pepper the most overrated album in
history. My Sgt Pepper? Sgt Pepper.>>

I couldn't agree more.
As the song goes:
It was 20 years(Well,actually 30+) today!
and it damn well sounds like it!

Now as far as my Pepper goes:

Well I can remember as a child having a children's record that contained
the SNOOPY AND THE RED BARON song.  You know the :

or more!
song(and come on! a raise of hands of how many people who think XTC doing a
remake of this song would be the neatest(Gee I sound like the Beaver!)
thing in the world!)

Take Care


Message-Id: <>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:08:30 +0000
Subject: English Settlement?

Dear Chalkers,

Did you all notice this little bit in the CNN interactive article?

As an added blow halfway through recording, longtime guitarist
Gregory abruptly quit the band. But, according to the chatty
Partridge, "We cemented all the difficulties."

About time, i'd say

BTW: great to see how XTC is getting into the "mainstream media"
also. Of course most of the articles etc are very superficial and
uninteresting for us die-hard fans but it's all in a good cause :)

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse


Message-ID: <000401be7af1$fa3c10a0$ba7f883e@o.e.e>
From: "John Bartlett" <>
Subject: Easter Theatre
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:10:44 +0100

Hello all,
    I went into our local ( Colchester,Essex) cd shop today to order the
E.T.  single, to find that 2 people have beaten me to it. Assuming one of
these fine people is Martin Newell ( he lives in a village just outside
Colchester, I believe), that leaves one other person who knows enough about
XTC to order the single a week early.
    If that person is on this list, perhaps they could drop me a line to
talk XTC.
 Well, that's at least 3 copies its' sold.


Message-ID: <>
From: "kristi leigh siegel" <>
Subject: XTC's "naughty song"
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:43:09 PST

I hope this isn't too old news, but 'Rolling Stone' sent me this link in
their digest re: "Your Dictionary":

Banned song! Bad boys! Brilliant!



Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:02:24 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <>
From: Dave Hughes <>
Subject: Re: My Sgt. Pepper

One of my Sgt. Peppers is just one song, "Senses Working Overtime."

BTW, I'm playing AV1 on my statewide radio program, and it will be ranked
number one on my playlist that I will be submitting to Crossroads magazine
(a mag that helps promote folk, roots music, and world music).
* --------------------------------------------
Dave Hughes
Host of "Late in the Evening"
Nebraska Public Radio


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:22:48 -0500
From: richard leighton <>
Subject: RE: Amazing Find

That is unbelievable Drude. I scour countless garage sales and flea
markets and antique mall in the Cincinnati Tri-State area and have never
once found any XTC vinyl. I guess Cincinnati never got it. By the way
just curios what city do you live in?


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:47:21 EST
Subject: Re: Pepper

>What's all this about people's personal Sgt Pepper? Are you saying what
>your favourite album ever is? To me, Sgt Pepper the most overrated album in
>history. My Sgt Pepper? Sgt Pepper.
>And before you start flaming me about not liking the Beatles I think they
>were brilliant and have most of their albums. I reckon people believe it's
>great because the media tell them it's great. Yeah, it was innovative and
>the first concept album, but the songs are dull, dull, dull.

  I'm inclined to agree. Individual songs were brilliant, such as
"Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds," "She's Leaving Home," and "A Day In
The Life," but the whole thing doesn't quite hang together. That
emperor is walking around in his underwear. From a musical standpoint,
Revolver is much more groundbreaking and creative, as is the glorious
mess The White Album, which doesn't quite hang together as an album
either, but unlike Sgt Pepper it's not supposed to.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:47:15 EST
Subject: Re: The Simpsons

>But what song would
>best showcase Lisa's solo capabilities?  And would
>Andy and Colin be persuaded to step forward and join in?

  Well, Lisa could do that gleefully broken sax solo from "Leisure."



Message-Id: <>
Subject: XTConversions
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 99 23:33:49 -0400
From: Ben Gott <>


More news on the XTConversion front...This time, from my friend Mia (a
huge Ani DiFranco/Nadas/general country music fan):

>dearest ben,
>i bought the xtc album today, i'm so happy and i played it for my sister
>and she really likes and and now she wants it too.

And my parents say I don't do anything worthwhile while I'm on
vacation...!  "But, ma!  I'm helping to put food on Andy Partridge's

Fellow Chalkies:  thanks for all the information on Richard Thompson, by
the way.  I bought "Shoot Out the Lights" and "Rumor and Sigh," and I
think they're incredible.  Chalkhills is so much fun!

-Ben (who is still on vacation, by the way)


Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:21:11 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <>
From: John Relph <>
Subject: Apple Venus volume 1

Page down now (if you want).

I like Colin's laugh that can be heard in "Fruit Nut" at about 1'04
into the song.

Who is singing the wordless backup harmony in "Harvest Festival"
starting at about 2'24?

Things I like about "Harvest Festival"?  The image of "the two who've
been chosen" reminds me of Homecoming (except that I never cared for
the Homecoming Queen popularity contest bullshit).  How the
out-of-tune recorders represent "the children with baskets" (children
often play and sing out of tune).  And how the organ and bells come in
when "you two got married".

That's all.

	-- John


Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:55:15 -0500
Subject: Re: My Sgt. Pepper's
Message-ID: <>

Well, I need to add my "Sgt. Pepper's" albums, these don't include any
XTC stuff, because I wanted to let people know what else I listen to.

IT'S MY LIFE - TALK TALK  - This is one of the first album from them I
got, and I love it.  The songs are well written, and I can't get enough
of it.

FIELDS AND WAVES - O'RANG - This is the spinoff band from Talk Talk's.
Bassist Paul Webb and Lee Harris are two magnificent musicians.  I didn't
realize Paul Webb could sing so well.  If you like Talk Talk you'll love

HOUNDS OF LOVE - KATE BUSH - I just love Kate Bush, and I think this is
one of her best.  I love the second side the best.  It's a concept album
about a drowning victim trying to get in touch of her loved ones.  I
highly recommend this album.

DARK SIDE OF THE MOON - PINK FLOYD - I just have one thing to say,

XANADU - MOVIE SOUNDTRACK - Okay before you say something bad, I just
love this album.  It's a sentimental favorite.  I'm a Olivia Newton-John
and ELO fan.  Please don't ridicule me because I like this type of music.
 I listen to this music when I'm stressed and I need to lighten up.  I
bet most of you like certain music artists/groups that you would never
tell others of liking.

Oh yeah, I also love Sgt. Pepper's and I don't think it's dull or boring.
 It's a great album, but my fave Beatles album is REVOLVER, because the
songs just are wonderfully written.

That's all for now.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:56:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: best beatles album, etc.

And yes, Sgt Pepper is vastly over-rated. Everyone knows that Revolver,
Abbey Road & The Beatles/White Album are miles better. So there.

I've always felt that Revolver is easily the best work the Beatles ever
did. It's far superior to Sgt. Pepper, which really has not aged as well
as the other Beatles albums (with the possible exception of Magical
Mystery Tour). Sgt. Pepper has always seemed like too much frosting, too
little cake.

In reading all the 'My Sgt. Pepper posts', I'm happy and a little
surprised to see all the punk fans coming out. I still love my old punk
albums. The Buzzcocks will always put me in a good mood, and the first
two Stranglers records are great! I actually heard 'Never Mind the
Bollocks..." too late for it to have had any real impact on me. The
Clash were a better band, anyways. the Damned's first record, Crass,
Wire, Poison Girls, Minor Threat, X, Fear,...I could go on and on. Punk
was so much fun, and it opened my ears to lots of other music as well.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:42:02 -0800
From: Randy Hiatt <>
Subject: Give it to me hard.

Chalk Hounds of Love,

My Sgt. Peeper was...  before SP!

Being 46  and getting my 1st LP when I was 7 (Johnny Horton,
I loved North to Alaska) I have a few hours of listening on
some of you's.

In the 5th grade I put together a Beach Boys lip sync group
(acoustic guitars and square boxes for drums) and performed
for 2 entire class rooms!  They made me want to be a
musician (maybe I just liked their striped shirts).

Discovering a radio band could be from my hometown blew me
away (remember the Sonics... "Cuse She's A Witch", "I'm A

Music has come quite a ways since then for us older kids.  I
was never a Beatles "fan" when they were popular because by
then I wanted it harder  and remember thinking overdubs were
for sissies.

So I  went from Cream to Hendrix to Zep to Sabbath (yes Dom
my buddies and I played 1st & 2nd LP in the proper song
order with the proper amount of silence between tunes even),
Mountain, .... too many to list (or remember), all I wanted
was HARDER (heck I was a kid, kids need a good body rush).

This caused a need to determine  "who's the best", then I
discovered Prog Rock, Yes made me melt (or was that the
other stuff we were experimenting with).

Any way my SP moment was more like a decade then an actual
LP, but each was an important piece of the puzzle.

I did eventually learn to love good song writing AND the
Beatles as well which brought me to you's.


Sorry Molly if your the sitting duck..... you said...

"Okay, I'm going to change the subject so people stop
picking on me aboutthe language thing.  You know I don't
really being picked on.  Some ofyou are too cruel, but this
is all I'm going to say on this subject."

Could you translate?



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