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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 149

                 Thursday, 25 March 1999

Today's Topics:

                     Super song live
        "It was all sort of feathery-feathery..."
                  Countdown to Easter...
                     bubblegum album
               Sounds like Your Dictionary
                       AV1 singles
                       XTC != Tull
                       Damned / PiL
               The one and only Sgt. Pepper
                      my sgt.pepper
                      xtc commercial
          "Ancient British Past" article in NYT
                 Harvest festival & more
                       Re: Apology?
              my two twisted cents worth...
                       Singled out
                     Peppers Plus PS
                         Sgt. XTC
                     MY Sgt. Peppers
                      AV1 on (TV)T!
           RE: River of Orchids winding my way
                     LOT'S O SCHTUFF
              Automotive fetishist speaks up
             Shecky...The release of "Yummy"
            Nostalgia Ain't What It Used To Be


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Message-Id: <>
From: "Michael Davies" <>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:41:43 -0500
Subject: extension

> Mike asked:
> Outside of downright repetition, how we could get the boys to play 1 song
> for as long as possible?
> Two words: Battery Brides  :-)

The longest XTC song is "Travels in Nihilon", isn't it?  That's the
longest XTC song I own, anyway.

jousters do it knightly,
Michael davies


Message-ID: <>
From: "Allen, Paul" <>
Subject: Super song live
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:09:35 -0600


The one song I want to see XTC do live is "That's Really Super, Supergirl."
I love the song, and I don't believe I've heard it mentioned here in the
year or so since I joined the list. The concept and execution are
beautifully clever.

Just some thoughts,
Paul Allen


Date: 25 Mar 99 16:45:06 AED
Subject: "It was all sort of feathery-feathery..."
Message-ID: <>


1) The Australian CD edition of Apple Venus Volume 1 differs from others
insofar as it lacks the title legend in the clear spine of the jewel case.
It doesn't bear an identifying sticker, so people who don't know what the
artwork looks like; thumbing through the racks in search of it; might miss
it altogether, unless they are attracted by the feather.  BTW, the Oz
release has the pointy bit of the feather pointing up - thereby spoiling
the original intent IMO. The "Festival" logo appears on the rear, just near
the "Idea" logo.

Dunno what the disc itself looks like - I couldn't be bothered taking it to
the counter to have those consarned security brackets removed.

2) Recently there's been speculation about who the youngest list member
might be.  In discussing this, the frighteningly boyish Todd Bernhardt (39
yo I am reliably informed) suggested asking about who might be the oldest?
F'rinstance, I'm 3 months older than AP. Can anyone beat that?  Anyone who
can identify the quote in my subject heading might stand a chance of
qualifying for oldies status!  ;^)



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:44:19 +0000
From: chris <>
Subject: Countdown to Easter...

In message <>, Enoch
Powell <> writes
>You are the recipient of a Hallmark Electronic Greeting created especially
>for you by Enoch Powell.


ahhh... bless them
good advert for Easter Theatre single, no?
thanks guys
np: 'Summer's Cauldron'


Message-ID: <000d01be76ac$58dbb9c0$1700000a@andy-pii>
From: "Andy Miller" <>
Subject: bubblegum album
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:43:40 -0000

Thanks Mitch for the following:

>Too bad I don't have a photographic memory or I'd be able to >recount all
the titles to all the bubblegum album songs since Andy >showed me a list of
them in his book, along with fake band names to >go with them.

V. interesting. Andy obviously modelling the album on real compilations like
those put out by Buddah or the Katz Kasenatz crew, all of whose tracks were
written and performed by the same people but under different manufactured
names eg. Ohio Express, 1910 Fruitgum Company, The Archies etc. (and most of
which were obscene - Yummy Yummy, Elephant Candy and so on)

>Another song that surely exists is called "I'm The Kaiser" which Andy
>sang a bit for me. Sounds a bit like "I'm Henry VIII I Am".  It's tres

Stoopede we like. However, I shudder to think where the double entendre may
lurk in any song called "I'm the Kaiser".

This brings the total to 7: Standing in for Joe, Candymine, Cherry in your
Tree, Lolly Let's Suck it and See, Bubbleland, My Red Aeroplane, I'm the

Anyone got any more?

Incidentally, the transition from The Dukes (psychedelia) to The Knights
(bubblegum) is exactly right - this is what happened to a lot of those
bands between 1967 and 1970. Varese Sarabande have issued two series of
albums which cover this time - Sunshine Days (manufactured psychey harmony
pop, 5th Dimension, Spoonful etc.) - and Bubblegum's Greatest Hits
(self-explanatory). Many acts appear on both sets, but often under
different names.

Anyway, I'm melting.



From: Huw Davies <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:22:32 GMT0BST
Subject: Sounds like Your Dictionary
Message-ID: <B517CBC2726@PARKLA1S.CF.AC.UK>

A few digests back, someone (I can't remember who) remarked that
"Your Dictionary" sounded like a Billy Bragg song, but wasn't sure
which one. I wonder if this person was thinking of the song "The
Short Answer" from the album Workers Playtime which can be
said to be an equally bitter song about the break up of a
relationship. It also contains the line "Between Marx and Marzipan in
the dictionary there was Mary". It's also a very personal song as it
was indeed about Billy Bragg's relationship with a woman named Mary.

Oh, and the Billy Bragg-XTC connection is that both are signed to
Cooking Vinyl.

Huw Davies

p.s. "Easter Theatre" just gets better and better every time I listen
to it. Perhaps it will make a good single.


Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:41:38 -0600
From: Dominic <>
Subject: AV1 singles
Message-id: <>


I've been enjoying the recent discussion about the songs on AV1 that
would be more likely to be successful as singles. Personnaly, I think
that "I'd Like That" and "Your Dictionnary" would have the most chances
of having some kind of commercial success. Someone mentioned that "I
Can't Own Her" would be a likely candidate. I personnaly don't think so.
Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful song...but I think it would be a
big mistake if TVT releases it as a single.

After listening steadily to this cd for the past 2 weeks, I now can say
that there's a big potential for some kind of "popular" recognition. I
find it's a very strong album. The only song I skip is "The Last
Balloon". My favorite ? "Easter Theatre", "Harvest Festival" and "Your
Dictionnary" (I actually find the spelling thing interesting).

Anyway, just my opinion.

Take care !



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:26:18 -0500
From: Jefferson Ogata <>
Subject: XTC != Tull

The adroit Harrison Sherwood remarked:
> Yeah, yeah, I know: XTC --> Dave Mattacks --> Fairport Convention --> Dave
> Pegg --> Jethro Tull.

What about XTC -> Dave Mattacks -> Jethro Tull?

Didn't Mattacks play on Broadsword and the Beast? Or are my neurons
rebelling yet again?

Anyway, one might suspect heavy Jethro Tull influences in early
XTC. Try listening to Adrenalin from the Helium Kids demo CD,
then Tull's Song For Jeffrey. (I'm sure this one has been noted

Jefferson Ogata.  smtp: <>
finger:  ICQ: 19569681  whois:


Message-Id: <4782AD6ADDBDD2119B570008C75DD5C1021FA1@MGMTM02>
From: Lawson Dominic <>
Subject: Damned / PiL
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:00:27 -0000

According to

>>Those Who Have Also Served Time With The Damned Include :
Jon Moss, Dave Berk, Hans Zimmer, Tosh, Glen Matlock, James Taylor, Paul
Shepley, Lol Coxhill, Gary Holton, Robert Fripp and even Lemmy from

So there.

>>Remember "That What Is Not"?  Of course you don't.  And thank your lucky

A tad harsh, I would have said. What about "Acid Drops" which cleverly
sampled "God Save The Queen"? A cracking tune. At least half of that album
was pretty good. In fact, I've never really understood the anti-PiL lobby
(and before you get upset, I am not referring to anyone on this list). I
suppose having recorded "Metal Box" and having made everyone else look
stupid, the band had a lot to live up to. "Album" seems to be the only
other PiL record which ever gets any credit, but "Happy?" and "9" were both
pretty entertaining, and "Commercial Zone" is worth checking out. Likewise
"Flowers Of Romance", although the relentless tunelessness is a bit much,
even for me. "Live In Tokyo" is fairly atrocious, but then a lot of live
albums are.  I still haven't heard Lydon's solo album though...has anyone?



From: William Blakely <>
Subject: The one and only Sgt. Pepper
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:35:08 -0800
Message-ID: <000201be76dd$78a21250$57edb5cf@daedalus>

MY Sgt. Pepper is and will always be the one and only original
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.  No other album will ever be able to
match the impact of that classic, and I'm surprised that anyone would ever
suggest such a thing.  You don't even have to be an old fart to think so.

However, if I had to to choose an album by anyone else to compare with it,
it would have to be XTC's Skylarking, an album I HAVE referred to as the
"Sgt. Pepper of the '80s."  I lived in the Haight/Ashbury for 15 years, and
Skylarking -- especially the opening tracks -- was heard everywhere there
during the 20th anniversary of the Summer of Love.

--Robert Triptow


Message-ID: <>
From: Cait Wright <>
Subject: my sgt.pepper
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:06:24 -0000

Mine was definately 'Rattus Norvegicus' by the Stranglers. Before then -
nice girl with Clarks t-strap sandals and tidy school uniform. After that -
oh dear. No man with floppy hair, winklepickers and a big coat was safe.



Message-ID: <>
Subject: xtc commercial
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:17:19 -0600

Hello all,

Did anyone else see the AV1 commercial last night after Conan O'brien (about
12:30 am Chicago time)? Very cool!

another Jon in Chicago


Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:35:58 -0600 (CST)
From: John Fulton <>
Subject: "Ancient British Past" article in NYT
Message-Id: <>

Hello all.  An article in Thursday's New York Times lists links to sites
specializing in druids, Stonehenge and the like.  The URLs are:

I saved the article in html.  Email me if you would like a copy.

Cheers, John.
"Now every closing door just fans the flames some more."


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:37:54 EST
Subject: Harvest festival & more

 Right on David Seddon! I LOVE the slow chugging of Harvest Festival.Also
the shuffling of chairs & moving instruments at the beginning.Flashback to
elementary school.
 My Sgt Pepper is Drums & Wires.Right out of High School,it was my first
"free from authority " album and Helicopter was the shit. It still
is. Listen to the live show from Philly from 1981,thats me in the
background screaming for that song.
  My friend works forY100 in Philly & he found "Id like That " in the reject
bin.AAARGH!! They continue to play Dr. Demento-like songs from the
Offspring & Eminem. XTC is way too smart for most radio.
 I could vent longer but...   Ciao, Roger
p.s. Can anyone else actually visualize Molly speaking when you read her


Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:46:36 -0500
From: Dorothy Spirito <>
Subject: Re: Apology?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.9903251239360.26099-100000@esun2028>

Dom, I'm ROTFL.  Don't listen to 'em.


Your cantankerous postings always remind me of the two guys on Muppets
Tonight who watch & sling barbs.

("Color me happy!")


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:02:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: my two twisted cents worth...

if we look deeper in to Elizabeth's "But, I like my car"
maybe we'll find what she really is saying is "But, I like my

When I get frustrated I often wonder if it would be better if we all
were farmers or traders, etc .

You're not the only person to feel that way. Many brilliant, intelligent
people disdain technology and go off to live in the woods somewhere. In
fact, we had an infamous one here in the U.S. recently. His name? Ted
Kosinski-the Unibomber.


Message-ID: <01BE76EB.9A2AF050@robert>
From: Robert Wood <>
Subject: Singled out
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:37:25 -0000

Dave Seddon said in 5-147 that Easter Theatre is an odd choice for a single.
'Fraid I couldn't disagree more. After the second play of AV1, this really
stood out. Many other people  pick this on early listens too. Greenman is
too long to be a single. As for I Can't Own Her, I really can't think of a
*less* suitable song on the album for a single.

I think Frivolous Tonight would be the number two single - it really divides
people and thus really attracts attention. I'm surprised at people dissing
it as a piece of fluff song, it's very Ray Davies in its comment on English
life, a memorable melody  - very singable.

Oh yeah, all IMHO. It actually really amazes me the diversity of people's
favourite AV1 songs, someone posted the other day with thier fave AV1 songs
and they were all except one songs that I'm not fond of.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:19:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Wilhelm DeVries <>
Subject: Peppers Plus PS

First time post; wanted to give my onion:

My "Sgt. Pepper" equivalent is Sgt. Pepper. (well, at least when I was a
little tyke.  Loved it).  My "Sgt. Pepper" equivalent, in the current
parlance, was Black Sea.  Had the flip side of D&W on a tape with U2s
Boy, just getting into music other than fusion.  Asked for Black Sea for
xmas, heard Respectable Street, thought, well, hey, this guy's talking
sense here, someone thinks the same as me?, and was hooked.  One other
thing -- I second the poster who picked Violent Femmes. Their first
record rocked my world too.  Luckily, I lived in Milwaukee Wisconsin,
the band's hometown, and saw them many times during that era.  I was
always amazed that they were picked up by the jock/frat boy crowd, and
felt sorry for them (and me) because of it. Ah, to revel in the glory of
XTC obscurity

Best wishes, RFAB

PS - Yacht Dance would be my choice for a wonderful home performance.
And my opinion: AV1 is a classic (they all are) but not the best.  I
adore Frivolous for the way it makes me so happy and yet melancholy at
the same time, and Harvest for the same reason.  Bye!


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:27:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: Sgt. XTC

Now what's all this then?
How come all the personal "Sgt Peppers" posted so far are not by XTC?

Well, i would never have heard XTC had Elvis Costello not opened my ears
and mind to what was being called 'new wave'. It was nearly impossible
to hear it or read about it. Rural mid-michigan in the late 1970's was a
radio wasteland-top 40 disco on AM and hard rock (Zeppelin, Stones, Who)
on FM. What little press punk and new wave recieved in the U.S. was
almost uniformely negative. FOrtunately, some adventerous programmer at
a local station decided to expand their listener's tastes by slipping
'Accidents Will Happen' into late-night rotation. I fell in love
immediately, although in my embaressing naivete I thought Costello
sounded like Bob Dylan! Frustrated that I couldent find the song on
record, I was browsing a K-Mart record rack and happened to pick up a
copy of Armed Forces. Oh My God! that song I love is Elvis Costello!
Hearing that album completely changed my taste in music. I started
hunting for new wave on the radio, found a couple of sympathetic
stations, discovered Trouser Press magazine, and ostracized myself from
my peer group (new wave mas Most Uncool at my high school). I discovered
XTC about a year and a half after this, after hearing "Generals &
Majors" on the radio. Black Sea was my favorite record for a long time,
but Costello got there first and enabled the shift in taste.


Message-ID: <001601be76f1$7995aa00$9ff194d1@compaq>
From: "Drude" <>
Subject: MY Sgt. Peppers
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:58:29 -0800

My Sgt. Peppers (in no particular order):

1)Sgt. Pepper's!
2)Black Sea
4)Sloan - Navy Blues
5)Rheostatics - Introducing Happiness

Got to admit, though, no album (so far) has ever out- Peppered the original.

Do what you will but harm none.



Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:56:08 -0600
Subject: AV1 on (TV)T!

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I'm behind by about seven

Hey, TVT- Do you think you could let us know when AV1 commercials will be
playing?  I'd love to see one, but can't afford to spend 24 hours in front
of the TV channel-surfing in an attempt to catch them!  Even if you can't
give us a specific time, give us at least the day and which show it'll be
running on.

Do you have just a Politically Incorrect-esqe audience in mind, or will
these be shown to the masses as well?



Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:30:44 -0800
From: "Dane Pereslete" <>
Subject: RE: River of Orchids winding my way

Not to single out Nicole exclusively, but to her and all others trying
to analyze Elizabeth's statement I say:  ENOUGH!

If I am not mistaken, Elizabeth is a SoCal resident, and therefore
due to our fucked-up culture, government, and massive urban
sprawl and other general lack of logic and sensibility of civic
planning, is therefore relegated to the necessary evil of "liking
her car".  It is quite aggravating and nearly impossible to navigate,
hold down a decent job, and basically just LIVE here without your
car (myself and others who have attempted using mass transit in
L.A. can attest).  So let's not read more into it than is possibly there.

(crawling back into driver's seat and crouching down to hide).

Logging in from beautiful Glendale, CA  USA
"I had a dream where the car was reduced to a fossil"  -or-


Message-ID: <>
Date: 25 Mar 99 12:46:25 MST

Hiya kids:

It's been a while since my last, I'll keep this as short as

I interviewed Andy P a few weeks back, and it was one helluva lotta fun.
I've spoken with him before, back in '89, and had forgotten how much fun he
is to talk to. Merely a man, my ass! I'll soon post the entire interview on
my site, Optimism's Flames.  Oh...& he and I talked a bit about the
internet, and our beloved Chalkhills. "Talk about the misinformation
highway", he said.  I asked him..."Andy, The Last Balloon is obviously
about Richard Branson's failed attempts at circling the globe in a hot air
balloon"...& Andy howled at that....and then screamed "IT IS NOT".

I've seen some great postings lately about "MY" Sgt Pepper:
Tyler's was Elvis' Armed Forces! of my faves.
Phil's was Elvis' Imperial Bedroom...classic!
...saw several mentions of other greats, but must admit that there was one
that really hit home with me, and I have to say that I couldn't agree
Josh said that during college it was King Crimson's Discipline, and that
it's now Jeff Buckley's Grace.  Damn good call Josh!  I lived with
Discipline for years, along with the other Belew KC releases, and Belew's
solo schtuff(Lone Rhino/Twang Bar King), and The Bears, though Discipline
is clearly the best of those releases.  Words can't express what Buckley's
Grace means to's nothing short of amazing.  I've got a lot of
Buckley live boots, if anyone is interested.

Okay...Falknerds unite!  Jason is one of the few artists around that really
matter these days(right Mandy?), and if anyone is interested, I've got a
high quality copy of his pre-release version of the new Can You Still Feel,
called Amazing The Survivors...which has slightly different versions of the
new tunes, and a couple of tunes which don't appear on the new
release...for whatever reason, since they are great...if ya wanna get a
copy of it, drop me a line.

Check this out now:
The Hang-Ups '97? release So We Go....OH, MY, GOD!

If you want to read my review of AV1, check it out at
""....and don't give me any shit about the ROO/Glass
comment!. I wrote that damn thing more than 3 weeks prior to the release of
the album, and it's just now out!'s that for timely? interview
article may just get printed before the release of AV2.

Lastly....I got an interesting surprise in the mail.  Someone sent me an
autographed copy of AV1. WHO????  The package was mailed to me from Ontario
Canada, and has a Universal Studios return address on it.  I was thinking
that perhaps Andy had sent it to me, but the Canada & Universal bit have
thrown me off that idea.  ANSWERS!!!!

To all who await trade items from me...they are coming soon, I promise!

tHAnKs FoR LIStenIng To mY rAnT!

Wes @ Optimism's Flames:


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:57:32 EST
Subject: Automotive fetishist speaks up

>>However, if we look deeper in to Elizabeth's "But, I like my car"
maybe we'll find what she really is saying is "But, I like my

Well, actually, I was saying I like my car. Although the technology thing
is also true, as I found out when I moved to Topanga Canyon to be at one
with nature and have a garden and stuff, and lasted about a week before my
brain exploded and I started driving into town to buy toilet paper because
I was down to six rolls, just to get out of there.

I rarely *need* to drive anywhere; I live in one of the few Los Angeles
neighborhoods in which you can walk to anything, which I like. But my car
is where I go to relax. I have a convertible with a great sound
system... it's a really, really good place to be. No more, no less.

My original comment was just meant to be sort of flip... didn't mean to
stress anyone out! All it boils down to is that when I listen to that song,
which I love, I find the idea it presents really unappealing. To
me. Personally. If you have a happy car-free life, bless you.

And in XTC news, AV1 is back to #5 on KCRW's playlist...

The Gallery of Indispensable Pop Music \ the coolest cds on the Internet


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:07:37 -0800
From: "Dane Pereslete" <>
Subject: Apologetically

Sorry Molly for the use of the "f-word" in my last post...It is one
of those rainy days again and my commute to work took 2 hours!
What an upsetting start to the day...
(all those ?#@$*& cars!!!  push 'em off the road!)

Logging in from beautiful Glendale, CA  USA
"I had a dream where the car was reduced to a fossil"  -or-


Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:17:09 +0000
From: KT <>
Subject: Snowman

What are the words andy sings at the start of 'snowman' (y'know just
before 'it isn't even winter but...')
and do they mean anything?
oh yeah, I know it's probably a dumb question, but what is the song
'Rook' actually about?
Katy Coope    " LEGGIT!! "


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:22:14 EST
Subject: Shecky...The release of "Yummy"

Hey Chalkills fans......just wanted to let everyone know that a project out
of Boston called "Shecky" just released they're first called "Yummy". It's
loaded with alot of fun XTC harmonies and quirks......If you haven't heard
about the project there is a free CD demo available of the project......if
your interested in the release, contact Tiny at
to clogg up the XTC airwaves but this one is worth checking out!!!.......


Message-Id: <>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:40:24 +0000
Subject: Nostalgia Ain't What It Used To Be

Dear Chalkers,

Nicole made an interesting observation:

> When I get frustrated I often wonder if it would be better if we all
> were farmers or traders, etc . and families all lived near each
> other, and life was simpler, etc.

Not really... for most people this would simply mean they had to
keep working all day to barely stay alive on a meagre ration of
inferior food and filthy water. And once every few years there'd be a
_real_ famine or else you would die in a flu epidemic. Or one of
those cosy little wars.

Besides, we just couldn't cope with it, no way. We're way too
'civilzed' to survive under those kind of circumstances.
No hospitals or dentists, no shopping malls, no drive-in
restaurants, no Cocoa Puffs. But worst of all... no XTC !

No, living in the past is  _not_ for me, although i wouldn't mind a
small time warp back to let's say 1981 or '82 to see them play live
just once. Please God, that's not much too ask, is it?
Hey you with the pointy ears,  wanna buy my soul ?

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse


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