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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 137

                  Monday, 15 March 1999

Today's Topics:

                    Greenman in public
                     RE: Subject: AV1
          My really late tuppence on Apple Venus
                   Re: Hector and Helen
      more on recontextualizing and appropriating...
                 Sir John Johns Interview
                    Cop a load of this
                   Re: Nelson's Column
           This is the last time I'll bore you.
                 Andy's Slagging of Dave
                     TV ad and Hector
               Original Skylarking art idea
          Peace child! My God! You hate Andy so.
                    Diabolical Pushing
               Latest AV1 UK Chart Position
                       Re: Ugliness
                 What's New on Chalkhills
                     Pun in the Oven
                     Canada SoundScan
                        Re: Stout
                    spilling my brains
                   Re: your dictionary
                   Re: sacrilege, etc.
                The Nearest To Being Alive


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:48:52 +1100
From: Joseph Ierano <>
Subject: Greenman in public

Ok, folks, I heard Greenman in the local shop here in Australia.
It is a large store with news agent, video rental, pharmacy, gifts, etc.

They play the radio all day so I imagine it was a commercial station.
It was great to hear it being publicly aired, perhaps its getting some
airplay here....has anyone else heard it?
I get annoyed with radio so I dont bother with it.

joe ierano


Message-ID: <>
From: "kristi leigh siegel" <>
Subject: RE: Subject: AV1
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:48:20 PST

> One of the great AV 1 moments that no one mentioned before: Andy's
> breathing in at the beginning of Your Dictionary (...) Does anyone
> know other songs which are started this way?

>In general? At the beginning of >Speedway by Morrissey. An even deeper
>intake of breath.

On Julian Lennon's new one, at the beginning of "Way to Your Heart", he
audibly lights up a ciggie and  he *exhales*....Good to know our pop
heroes' lungs are in working order...

The winds of grace are blowing perpetually; we just have to raise our
sails. --Ramakrishna


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:52:01 +0100
From: dieling <>
Subject: My really late tuppence on Apple Venus

Hi Folks !

Having been out of the net world during the last few weeks, I stayed in my
room with Apple Venus.
Like......god or something.
Actually "I Can't Own Her" is the only song I don't dig too much, going
down chromatically in a verse in a song is a bit boring, I think.
But then then bridge is brilliant.
The rest is, well, you know, just like......god or something.
The CD has moved into my player and settled down in there, it actually
likes being there, so I haven't taken it out for the last weeks.
One question:
I had actually ordered the vinyl copy, but they said all the copies pressed
for Germany were taken back since there were pressing mistakes on
them. Anyone knows if this is the truth or if they just forgot ordering it?
Please email me privately as I won't be online for another couple of weeks
and don't have time to look thoroughly through 50 digests when I get back.

residing in The Lemon Lounge
XTC Song of the Season
Easter Theatre


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:16:43 +0100 (MET)
From: Tim De Cock <>
Message-Id: <>
Subject: Re: Hector and Helen

Hey everybody,

Just a short note about the Hector-debate:

Everybody makes mistakes. Ergo: so does Andy Partridge. But I don't think
he made one _I'd like that_.  Consider these three lines:

I'd be your Albert if you'd be Victoria
I'd be your Nelson if you'd be my Hamilton
I wouldn't hector if you'd be Helen of Troy

That's twice _I would_ (for Albert and Nelson) and once _I would
NOT_... for Hector. And fittingly so, as Hector did NOT have anything to do
with Helen. It was Paris who "hectored" Helen (if you allow a little
mythological liberty here) and the hero of the song simply says he'd do a
better job.

Makes perfect sense to me. And if you're not convinced: it's just a pun,

Back to work,
"One of the Mollyons"


Message-ID: <>
From: "kristi leigh siegel" <>
Subject: Greenman
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 06:43:28 PST

Hi Chalkbunnies,

I hope this isn't terribly redundant. This info I found was too lengthy
to copy and paste, so here is the URL to this informative bitty re: the

...and it even mentions mummers! hoo!

Kristi <<Can't stop humming the chorus to "Greenman" (thanks, Andy)


Message-ID: <900822C71730D2118D8C00805F65765C48191B@EINSTEIN>
From: Jill Oleson <>
Subject: more on recontextualizing and appropriating...
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:12:11 -0600

I've got to agree with Tyler Hewitt:
recontextualizing and appropriating are not the same thing.
I think the examples he gave, which included the work of
John Heartfield, Hannah Hoch, and John Baldesari, were
excellent choices to illustrate his point.

But those are visual works of art.  And when you view them
and compare them to the source material that inspired them, it
is easy to see the difference between recontextualization and
appropriation.  I think that in the case of musical works, however,
it is harder to hear the difference between the two.  (Maybe that's
because I am a painter, and not a musician.)

It can be a very fine line between recontextualizing and
appropriating, and because the difference is intellectually based,
it can be quite difficult to sort through the information given and
differentiate between them.  Throw parody into the mix and it
becomes an even more difficult set of concepts to comprehend.
Which is why we have courts of law, eh?

I had an art professor in college who reassured his students,
who were about as amateurish as it gets--me included, that
later softened that point to original ideas are very RARE indeed.
It was a generous statement that freed his students to explore
everything without worrying about trying to be original.  We all
build on other people's ideas in everything we do.  It's where we
twist those ideas into new shapes (and sounds) that makes them
our own.

The legal ramifications of this issue are another thing altogether,
however, and I'll leave that part of this thread to others who know
more about it than I do.  It's a fascinating issue.  Thanks to
whoever brought it up.

Jill Oleson
Austin, Texas


Subject: Sir John Johns Interview
Message-Id: <0006800009503457000002L072*@MHS>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:48:53 +0100

Back in about 1985, when "25 O'Clock" was being promoted, I heard a radio
show, possibly on Radio Caroline or BBC, in which the heavily disguised
voice of Andy (they made it sound psychedelic by upping and downing the
cycles so that it went from a squeek to a deep bass) described the record
and the interviewing DJ played selections from the record: the title track,
"Your Gold Dress" and "Mole from the Ministry".  Do you know how to get a
tape of that particular interview?

I didn't know the Dukes were XTC, and of course, as his voice was
disguised, I was unable to identify Andy in that radio interview.  But I
*loved* the sound of those songs -- which were also the ones in which the
lead vocals were as distorted and far away from "normal" as possible, so
that I didn't recognize them -- and decided I just *had* to have this
album.  That was near the end of my stint in England and I went back to
Berlin, where I lived at the time, and tried to find the album -- to no
avail.  But I never forgot the songs.

Here comes the good part: after singing the songs to myself for *months*,
trying not to forget them, I had what the Germans call "the AHA-moment",
i.e.  the coin dropped.  I realized, just by singing these songs back to
myself over and over again, that the melodies were unbelievably XTC-like.
So much so, that I got really excited about it and was just dying to know:
Are the Dukes XTC??  They must be!!  This feeling only made me want the
record more, so I increased my search effort, and finally, at a record
store with alternative music in the Charlottenburg district, I asked my
usual question: "Have you ever heard of the Dukes of Stratosphear?"  And
when the guy said, "Yeah, that new psychedelic group, the record looks like
a Cream record" my heart jumped.  He showed me where to look, I went
through the bin, found it, looked at the picture, and I saw it: Andy, Colin
and Dave.  I could hardly wait to hear it, and to this day, I still love
that record.

Of course, once I heard the EP, I heard XTC as clearly as if the record had
officially been recorded by XTC, there was no mistaking Andy's voice.  But
I hadn't recognized them in the car that day and I only realized, 6 months
later while humming "Your Gold Dress" to myself, just what it was that I
had heard so long ago.

Sorry for rambling on...



Message-Id: <199903150953.JAA00270@uksn82>
Date: 15 Mar 99 09:49:30 +0000
Subject: Cop a load of this

With regard to these numerous queries about the Greenman.  It's really very

What does he look like, someone asked.  Have you all seen "Jason and the
Argonauts"?  Remember when Poseidon rises up from the sea with tripod in
hand?  Remove the body.  The head, with beard and shaggy hair, is what the
greenman looks like.  This isn't a christian symbol, so looking for it in
churches is a bit of a no no.  Although some very old churches re-used
pagan symbolism to make the locals feel more comfortable.

I saw several Greenmen plaques on Saturday in Winchester - it being the old
Saxon HQ of Alfred the Great, slap bang in Chalkhills country (oooh, I'm so
lucky to live there).  You can buy your greenmen and hang them on your
garden walls.  I think you'll find that this is yet another pagan theme.  I
suspect the Greenman has a lot to do with plenty, abundance - and he looks
a bit rogueish so there's probably a bacchanalean strand in there as well.
Basically, Andy has been rummaging around on the Pagan Federation website.
Simple as that.  He'll be chucking in Herne the Hunter any minute now, you
mark me.

So, since Andy has been rummaging in the PF website, I suggest that those
of you who are confused by all this Olde Englishe Paganne Imagery do the
same.  Don't know what the site address is, but just type in "Pagan
Federation" in your search engines.  I think you can access some of their
articles from there - whether they have one relating to the Greenman I
don't know.  But you might get lucky.

I'm bemused that this is all so unknown to so many of you.  Haven't any of
you guys erected a giant sized phallus on May 1st and danced round it with
brightly coloured ribbons?

In that case, you haven't lived.


Message-ID: <04b401be6ede$90acee80$3bf032ca@speedking>
From: "Simon Curtiss" <>
Subject: Re: Nelson's Column
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:22:58 +1300

Mark said:
>Nelson is also famed for his one-armedness of course. This
>not only ties in rather neatly with the "with you laid on one arm"
>line but (IMHO at least) has a very strong sexual connotation.

I'm disappointed in you lot - nobody's mentioned how fond Lady Hamilton was
of Lord Nelson's Column.  With something that high it certainly would have
of put him in pole position for her favours and I'm sure she wanted to make
him a member of her family. I'm sure it pricked his conscience that he had
to be away so often. In fact when he was home from the sea she used to visit
every day so she could play his organ.  etc. etc. etc.

Or did you just restrain yourselves?


Who now has got his copy of AV1 down here in godzone, still not in the NZ
shops though.

Got It
Love It
Going to put It on again
What am I doing talking to you lot when I could be harmonising with Andy &
Bye (for now)


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:15:30 -0800 (PST)
From: nross <>
Subject: This is the last time I'll bore you.

Next time I take personal offense to a statement, I'll write it
privately... But this time, I'll be the hipocrite I am and air
it out in public... because because because because because...

Robert Wood... I am very sorry I apparently, according to at least
one poster "mauled" you. I didn't mean for my post to sound venemous...
just hyper.

And on to:

From: Cheryl <>
Subject: A need to respond

>>>I just have this overwhelming need to vent and air my

Yokay... you've a right, right?  "air" this is a loaded term. I could
take personal offense to that (God... CHILL! I AM KIDDING!)

>>>Nicole mauling Robert Wood:<<<

I was NOT mauling.
I rarely maul.

Okay... now this is my bag of shit, so you know:

>I actually like the damn stuff... okay! "I don't care
>what anybody else drinks" (there's the stupid chant,
>but in this case its true). I like the fucking taste.
>I like it better than anything but the Sam Adams
>cream stout (which is very very tasty). I like it I
>like it I like it I say! I only putit there because
>its what I would drink, not because I'm some
>ignorantAmerican Chick who was trying to be cool by
>not saying Budweiser.Can you TELL I took offense to
>your statement, CAN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really, now.-

And this is hers:

>>>My first thought on reading this was...CHILL OUT!
And thinking on it more my thought is...CHILL _OUT_!<<<


>>>I am just flabbergasted that you would pick something
like this to get offended over.<<<

But I was flabbergasted that he picked my Guiness to make fun of...
I admit its a stupid thing, its just a beer for chrissakes... but
it offended me and so I wrote about it. JUST LIKE MY COMMENTS
but hey... you want to vent, so thats okay, I deserve it. Everything
I've been writing lately has been silly dribbleshit.

>>>  He didn't single
americans out and say we lot have bad taste.<<<

Thats not what I said... I took it as his assumption that I, the poster,
was being ignorant in MY assumption that all British people drink

>>> And let me tell you,
probably every Irish person you come in contact with
will tell you the same thing.  You have not had
Guiness until you have drank it standing on Irish soil.<<<

Probably true! Just like Germans or those who have been there will swear
that their beer is the best. It is damn good, mind you...

>>>You took his post so personally which I can't see
why.  He did not single YOU out as "some ignorant
american chick" he merely made a general statement.<<<

Obviously I didn't take it as a general statement as it was directed
to "Nicole", now wasn't it.

>>>Try not to take things so personally.<<<

I'll send you the same caveat: I think I've been rude in this post.
I am sorry if it will offend you... I actually don't mean it to offend.

I am just tired.  I think people have the tendancy to write
or talk without thinking... and the words will offend people.
When, next, words slightly arrogant and rude are said in response...
said people act with surprise and words like "chill".

I want to offer up a very public appology because this is not the forum
for me to express my distaste or anger... but, please, before anyone
tells me to chill... take a long hard look at your past posts and
you'll see the amount of worthless anger and stupid topics that ya'll
have, at one point, written.

I actually liked his post and understood what he was
trying to say.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:48:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Andisheh Nouraee <>
Subject: Andy's Slagging of Dave

I too am annoyed by Andy's persistent slagging off of Dave in
interviews.  I understand that he is a man who speaks his mind, but
the repeated references by Andy to Dave's alleged laziness and
diabetes-induced ill-temper seem somewhat nonsensical when you
consider they made over 10 albums together over 14 years.  A lot of
this could be the way that the interviews were edited.  I'm sure that
comments by Andy were pruned down by writers and editors to create
"better copy."  However, it all still smacks of post-break-up
bitterness, an emotional state that magnifies all of the faults of the
other party.  Suggesting that Dave is chemically unstable and lazy
does no good.

As sappy as it sounds, I wish that the members, past or present, of my
favorite band would be a little more decent to each other.



Message-ID: <70C9C5C2CA53D111BD3B006097CF27812E39B7@BOSTON>
From: Eric Brittingham <>
Subject: TV ad and Hector
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:09:23 -0500

I saw the new TVT TV add on the Bravo channel while watching their Inside
the Actors Studio interview show--this one a 2-hour special with Spielberg.
The commercial is pretty cool, and I was happy to see XTC advertised during
a show that had been well-promoted by Bravo.

As for the Hector reference in I'd Like That, Andy says:  "I *wouldn't*
Hector..."  Considering Hector got killed, and the fact that it's a nice
pun, I'm all for this line.  Anyway, he doesn't say who he *would* be, which
is interesting, I think, since it seems like anyone connected with Helen
found a fair bit of trouble.


Message-Id: <>
From: David J Arnold <>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:18:18 -0600
Subject: Original Skylarking art idea

Russ asked:

"Has the original cover design for Skylarking ever surfaced in a book or as
a bootleg cover or anything?  I'm intrigued by this."

Check out the "shadows" around Andy's face on the "Oranges and Lemons"
cover. Evocative, don't you think?

David in Houston


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:29:19 -0800 (PST)
From: nross <>
Subject: Peace child! My God! You hate Andy so.

In my last post subject line... I had said I'll stop boring you, but
I didn't say I'd shut up... so Here GOES:

In response to Mrs. Dave:

From: "Amanda Owens" <>
Subject: Re: Trashing of Dave Gregory
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:12:23 CST

>       "Dave is such a complex person," Partridge says. "He's a famous
>   diabetic and, when you mix extreme chemical mood swings with being a
>   grumpy bastard in any case

(See Amanda's face go crimson.)

Sigh! Why doesn't someone tell her to chill.
I hope people can see the humor in my statement.

 >   He became jealous of me as a songwriter and musician.

(See Amanda burst out laughing at such an incredible absurdity.)

>And I resented
>   carrying him.

(See Amanda go "boo-hoo-hoo for you, Andy.")


Oh, etc etc, we've all read this, already:


   Do you personally know Mr. Partridge?
   How often Have you spoken with Mr. Gregory?
   Do you really know the whole story?

Mr. Gregory left the band, after sticking around for the 7 years or
whatever they were on strike. He stuck with the band despite a lack of
touring and therefore less monetary success. I would wonder, then, why
he would leave. He gave up... he had it, let him take the high road and
not express his opinions of Partsy so publicly. Let Partridge say
what he wants. YOU can't argue with it... YOU were not there. YOU will
NEVER know the whole story. No one will. Everyone has their own
perception... Lets be done with it... let the marriage be undone, etc...

PS-Not a word out of you, Mr. Friedman!

Hey, let him defend Partridge...he probably has more reason to speak
on this matter then you... But, maybe I'm wrong, hell... maybe
you were there... maybe you are Dave. Who the hell knows.

>this belittling of his former
>bandmate's "little solos" reeks of the worst possible egomania and
lack of
>basic courtesy, not to mention self-restraint.

You are right, at least with the lack of self-restraint... but what are
you doing? You are showing little restraint ripping in to someone
you don't personally know.

C-U-N-T that's how I spell "Andy" in MY dictionary.

See, now thats just mean, to the bone! Boner, ha ha, get it?!
Tis all for now,


Message-ID: <65B793F0016DD11196E800A0C96034360FECC3@FS_1>
From: Sheridan Zabel <>
Subject: Diabolical Pushing
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:17:41 -0500

Hello Fellow lovers of beauty and truth!

I went out Friday night with my best friend and his girlfriend.

To give a bit of background:  Alan (best friend) is a cellist and
composer who is a music snob.  He rarely listens to anything "fluffy".
He writes most rock music off as fluffy.  His girlfriend listens to Tori
Amos etc. (not that there's anything wrong with that!).

OK, so I went to HMV Friday night with them and we were standing around
looking.  I told Alan that he HAD to hear the new XTC.  He sounded
skeptical.  I went up to the counter and asked if they had an open copy
for us to listen to and they put it on one of the headsets.  Alan
started listening to River of Orchids and grinning.  He loved it!  He
likes that song best of all and is looking for a place to buy the album
where it isn't $17.99.  Rachel (his girlfriend) wasn't impressed until
she heard Easter Theatre.  Now SHE's going to buy it too!

Doing my part to spread the word,


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:58:53 -0500
From: Cooking Vinyl <>
Subject: Latest AV1 UK Chart Position
Message-ID: <>

Message text written by INTERNET:<>
>Anybody know the
latest UK chart position, I have a feeling that it's heading the wrong
way away from #42?<



Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:06:31 -0800 (PST)
From: pancho artecona <>
Subject: Re: Ugliness

Hey Chalkhills,

still enjoying most of AVI (I am still getting used to I Can't Own Her).
Anyway, regarding Jill's well written post about the fascination with
ugliness and the inability to appreciate the beautiful. I personally
like both, I am quite at ease with AVI for example as I am with my new
fave band Guided By Voices as well as other very noisy stuff and in my
case it is not some fad or anything, just the way I am wired I guess.
And while it may be so that people prefer UGLY from an aesthetic or
artistic sense, I can avow that the same does not hold for personal
beauty. I am ugly and I can assure you that there have been very few
that have been willing to even consider embracing me! I am not
bemoaning my fate just stating the facts. I like to think I am an
acquired taste (rationalizations are the best part of my game;)) but
most do not seek me out. So there you go. I shall remain with few
friends and few lovers but hey, even a blind squirrel finds an
occasional nut so I ain't complaining!




Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:28:14 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <>
From: John Relph <>
Subject: What's New on Chalkhills

Chalk, Cheese, Hills, Chapeau:

There are many new things on Chalkhills this past week.  Surf the
Chalkhills "What's New" page for more details and links

Delia M. wrote a lovely article about her experience at the Los Angeles
XTC in-store.  Sir PetScape99 sent in a transcript of the XTC AOL chat.
Mike McCormick pointed us to the Amazon interview.  Steven Figueroa
scanned the cover of the "World War Three" bootleg album.  David Oh
transcribed the extensive article and interview from Guitar Player.
Kevin Brunkhorst transcribed chords to "Easter Theatre", "Frivolous
Tonight", "Fruit Nut", "I Can't Own Her", "Harvest Festival", and "The
Last Balloon".

Mike Pelusi, a writer for the Philadelphia City Paper, wrote a review
of "Apple Venus" which he kindly submitted to Chalkhills.  Many thanks!
Other reviews of "Apple Venus" were found and submitted:

    Boston Globe (thanks to Steven A. Thurber)
    Rolling Stone (thanks to Steve Stearns)
    Salon Magazine (thanks to Neil Oliver)
    SPIN magazine (thanks to Ned Frey)
    Q (thanks to Mark Rushton)
    OOR (thanks to Andre de Koning)
    Sacramento Bee (thanks to dreamsmoke)

A separate paragraph shall be reserved for Wes Hanks, who sent in a
long article from The Globe and Mail, as well as reviews of "Apple
Venus" from these publications:

    Cleveland Plain Dealer
    The Tennessean
    Mail on Sunday
    News & Observer
    The Ottawa Sun
    The San Francisco Chronicle
    The Daily Oklahoman
    Buffalo News
    The Knoxville News-Sentinel
    Denver Rocky Mountain News
    The Independent
    Austin American-Statesman
    The Star-Ledger
    The San Diego Union-Tribune
    Dayton Daily News

Also see the XTC discography.  I have been gradually attempting to get
cover scans for many of the releases listed therein.

Thank you, everybody, for all your hard work!

	-- John


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:40:49 +0000
From: B Blanchard <>
Subject: Pun in the Oven

And it's a bad BAD pun.

Scroll down if you've just eaten.

The old idea of the man who needs to go to the pub lunchtimes or
hole up in his shed to get away from his wife has always amused
me.  What do they think WE need to do?

Took the helmet off the other day after a long ride in the
country, hadn't washed my hair in days and I was looking like a
dog.   Went to the hairdressers, she was booked up for weeks.

My god, I thought, a woman needs a groom of her own.

When David moved in with me here to Peckham Rye Towers, he took
my beloved broom (see it coming?) from my home and into the
garage and now it's covered in oil and junk.  I had to get
another one.

A woman needs a broom of her own.

So there I was, bombing up Peckham Rye the other day and I
stopped at the lights next to a guy on a motorbike with what I
shall assume was his girlfriend/wife on the back, and the woman
studied me and asked ME how my "HUSBAND" felt about MY having my
own bike!

I said:   Look babe, everyone knows:
A woman needs a Vroom of her own.

Yes thank you, I'm quite done.



Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:49:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Ted Harms <>
Subject: Canada SoundScan
Message-ID: <>

AV1 has pretty much held onto it's spot in the latest Canada SoundScan
figures - last week it debuted at #39 and this week it slipped down one
notch to #40.

Given that there's no single, this ain't so bad...

Ted Harms                                      Library, Univ. of Waterloo                           519.888.4567 x3761
"But all things excellent are as difficult as they are rare."  B. Spinoza


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:34:50 -0500
From: Steve Pitts <>
Subject: Re: Stout
Message-ID: <>


In 5-126 (yeah, I know, I just can't keep up with deluge <G>) Robert Wood

> It's far more likely to be a pint of bitter... <

However, since Colin's lyrics explicitly mention a glass of stout, then
Guiness was a passable bet, even if anyone in their right mind (at least in
England), would probably choose some other fine brew

and Chris opined:

> Listening in the background while you're doing something else does not do
it justice <

Does reading Chalkhills count as 'doing something else'??

BTW somewhere amongst the last half dozen digests that I've just dug
through, someone made a comment about picking up the Dukes anthology, and
other comments hinted that the person was over this side of the pond
(England). I've tried to find it but failed miserably (apparently it has
been deleted). Any suggestions??

Cheers, Steve


Message-Id: <>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:10:09 -0600
From: Lucid Girl <>
Subject: spilling my brains

Finally took AV1 out of slot 1 of my cd player for the first time since I
got it on Feb 27, and what a time it's been. I knew from the first drop
that it was going to be a wonderfully interesting ride.

Ha, thanks to this mailing list, my hubby has (at least partly) been
converted. He tends to read over my shoulder, and a couple of weeks ago
some people were talking about how Harvest Festival is, for them, the most
emotional song on the album, etc etc. I was telling my hubby how that song
just doesn't do anything for me's a beautiful song, but I
didn't feel connected to it at all. He asked to hear the song, and
immediately fell in love with it. Now yesterday he asked me to tell his
parents about the band, the 7-year strike, and to bring AV1 along with us
next time we go to their house. He has a habit of exposing them to music he
loves (Rusted Root, Beautiful South, TMBG). His mom is in a (mostly
"oldies") band, his dad is Buddhist and into all sorts of music, and I
don't think we'll have much trouble helping them to see the light. ;)

I have to say that The Last Balloon is my favorite on the album. Those
pleading vocals on "drop us all" get to me every time. Resigned to the fact
that we have screwed it up royally, now we have to take it like men and
give someone else a go at it, we can't even stick around to see how it all
plays out. It sends me off into all sorts of ponderings, about the nature
of humanity (inherently good, evil or neutral?) which leads to inner debate
about nature/nurture, and ultimately leads me to believe that humans just
aren't evolved enough spiritually? mentally? for the children to do any
better than the adults. Our race is all about greed, and until we get past
that there is no room for true compassion or concern for the future. On the
"so much sand" part, for some reason I always pictured a hand with sand
flowing through the fingers, until my hubby reminded me that without the
sand bags, a balloon can go so much higher. I geddit.

I guess the songs that took the longest to grow on me were I Can't Own Her
and KISK. Also felt uncomfortable with YD at first, like a peeping tom
sneaking looks where I don't belong. It was the second XTC song that ever
made me shed tears (the first being This World Over, but note I haven't
even heard half of their songs yet :). The hollow laughter/ring transition
is oh so clever. People say on here that the album version lost some of the
emotion that the demo had? I must hear that demo then, because I was
overwhelmed by the emotion of the song.

I *adore* how the album starts and ends with 1-2 minutes of no vocals. A
quiet, child-like, excited build up, and a wiser, sad, but hopeful ending.

I squealed like a piglet and jumped into the air when I saw the TV
commercial. Whee how glorious. I think it was on Bravo, but the person who
was holding the remote tends to flip around the dial so I'm not sure. It
was only 8pm, prime time even! *hee*

Welp, I'm sending a friend of mine in Croatia some mix tapes, including 3-4
sides just of XTC. If I know him, I'll soon be bringing another into the fold.

Off to work, for what could potentially be my last shift as a postal worker
(I got a job today, need to work out the schedule). And that, my friends,
is as great a way to start the week as any.

the other Nicole
(np: Radiohead - OK Computer)
"And if you must put me in a box, make sure it's a big box
 with lots of windows, and a door to walk through" (Dan Bern)
 w.a.s.t.e.r #14946


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:30:18 -0800
From: Dan Duncan <>
Subject: Re: your dictionary

i think the reference to a "four-eyed" fool is andy talking about
himself; he wears glasses.
thanks to all who answered my post about the demos and thanks so much
for rallying under the nonsuch standard with me.
here's an offer of explanation for those wondering why xtc sometimes
shows up on the catherine wheel newsgroup:
"...I was a little dazzled
Catherine wheeled and senses frazzled
Know it sounds weird
Then she appeared ..."
i may be reaching kinda far, but thats what i thought of when i saw the
question posted.

tending my fruit,


Message-Id: <l03110705b3135c495b17@[]>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:07:25 -0800
From: Eb <>
Subject: Re: sacrilege, etc.

>As far as motivation is concerned, let's ask Yoko Ono why she sold
>'Revolution' to Nike. It's... do I really have to type it?

That would be Michael Jackson who sold "Revolution" to Nike, wouldn't it?



Message-Id: <v03007805b31366651405@[]>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:42:29 -0600
From: John Yuelkenbeck <>
Subject: The Nearest To Being Alive

Richard Thompson was, indeed, a member of Fairport Convention.

Thompson's version of "Wall of Death" is FAR FAR superior to R.E.M.'s
surprisingly lame cover version. It can be found on the Richard and Linda
Thompson album "Shoot Out The Lights," which was fairly unanimously
received as the critic's number one choice album the year it was released.
It's on Hannibal Records.

Nanci Griffith has also recorded "Wall of Death" on her most recent disc,
"Other Voices, Other Rooms II: The Trip Back To Bountiful." It, too, pales
in comparison to the original, although I was lucky enough to see Griffith
perform it live in Dublin last year when Tom Russell was touring with her.

To me, it's one of those songs that is so perfeclty done by the original
artist that you wonder why anyone would cover it, since there is nothing
more to be added to the performance.

John at Dark Angel


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